2011 half season driver rankings part 2: 15-6

2011 F1 season

Part two of the mid-season driver rankings covers the ten drivers up to sixth place.

Read my verdict, a selection of your comments on each drivers, and share your view on the best drivers of the year so far.

Paul di Resta, Force India, Silverstone, 2011

Paul di Resta, Force India, Silverstone, 2011

15. Paul di Resta

Beat team mate in qualifying 7/9
Beat team mate in race 3/7
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 281/509

The reigning DTM champion has made an impressive start to his F1 career: particularly in qualifying, where he has regularly beaten his more experienced team mate.

He scored a point in his first race (aided, admittedly, by the disqualification of the Saubers) and repeated the feat at Malaysia.

Since then he’s missed opportunities to score with a few rookie mistakes, notably at Montreal and Silverstone – though the latter came after a botched pit stop had already ruined his race.

Has come into the sport “cold” and has thoroughly trounced his team-mate in qualifying. Has been unlucky with some over-officious stewarding and perhaps needs to recognise when to pull his nose out. Otherwise he would really be hammering Sutil in the standings too.
James_mc

Paul di Resta 2011 form guide

14. Nick Heidfeld

Beat team mate in qualifying 3/9
Beat team mate in race 5/7
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 236/518

A podium finish in his second start for Renault justified the team’s decision to opt for experience over youth when choosing who to put in Robert Kubica’s sadly vacant seat.

Heidfeld had a public hurry-up from team principal Eric Boullier during the season as he was lagging behind Vitaly Petrov in qualifying.

But he remains as ever a very safe pair of hands in the races. Had it not been for a collision with Kamui Kobayashi in Montreal he’d have scored in the last six races in a row. As it is he’s now moved ahead of Petrov in the points standings.

I was expecting more out of Heidfeld this season, and although he was unlucky at times (Canada), he still hasn’t been consistently stronger than his team mate.
Todfod

Nick Heidfeld 2011 form guide

Sebastien Buemi, Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, Montreal, 2011

Sebastien Buemi, Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, Montreal, 2011

13. Sebastien Buemi

Beat team mate in qualifying 7/9
Beat team mate in race 4/6
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 306/459

Buemi ended last year taking a fair beating from Jaime Alguersuari.

He turned the tables at the start of this season, finding speed and durability form the new Pirelli tyres much more quickly than his team mate.

But the balance of power has begun to shift once more and Buemi finds himself under pressure once again as we enter the second half of 2011.

He has been extracting a lot of performance from the Toro Rosso, but Alguersuari is catching up fast. He’s been solid and consistent, and he’d make a good number two at Red Bull if Webber decides to retire. He’s made it into the top ten at qualifying, but he needs to step his game up to stay ahead in the Toro Rosso driver war.
PortuGoose

Sebastien Buemi 2011 form guide

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Istanbul, 2011

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Istanbul, 2011

12. Michael Schumacher

Beat team mate in qualifying 1/9
Beat team mate in race 3/7
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 171/463

A new car and a change in tyre supplier has not brought about the instantaneous return to form Schumacher’s legions of fans will have been hoping for after 2010.

There has been discernible improvement, but while Nico Rosberg has reached Q3 at every race, Schumacher has missed out four times.

There have been flashes of the old Schumacher in some races, notably in Canada, where only the impossibility of defending his position against cars with DRS cost him a podium.

But there have been some clumsy mistakes as well – he’s lost the front wing off his car in collisions in Istanbul, Valencia and Silverstone. The comeback is still refusing to come good.

A mixed season. Has had some very poor races such as Turkey, but then again has had some monster performances like at Canada. His results again aren’t reflecting how well he has driven at times. His racecraft is still questionable, but it could simply be that the other drivers aren’t scared of him any more.
sw6569

Michael Schumacher 2011 form guide

11. Sergio Perez

Beat team mate in qualifying 4/8
Beat team mate in race 2/4
Races finished 5/7
Laps spent ahead of team mate 162/337

Perez was cruelly robbed of points in his first F1 start due to a minor technical infringement by his team. Nonetheless, F1 Fanatic readers voted him Driver of the Weekend.

Since then he’s continued to exploit the Sauber C30’s low tyre wear to make inroads into the points. Last weekend he scored his best result so far, seventh, by keeping his pit stops to a minimum.

His start to the season was disrupted by that nasty shunt at Monaco. He had the sense to step down in Canada when he still wasn’t fit enough, and has got back on form since then.

It’s not been all plain sailing: he collected two penalties for collisions in Shanghai. That aside he’s made an excellent start to his F1 career.

It’s difficult not to like this guy – he made everyone smile with his 7th place debut finish, and although outclassed by Kobayashi in the succeeding races, his finding his feet again after his Monaco crash, including a 7th place finish at his first Silverstone visit.
Electrolite

Sergio Perez 2011 form guide

Timo Glock, Virgin, Monaco, 2011

Timo Glock, Virgin, Monaco, 2011

10. Timo Glock

Beat team mate in qualifying 7/9
Beat team mate in race 3/5
Races finished 6/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 326/411

Who knows at what point Timo Glock realised the second all-CFD Virgin Racing car wasn’t going to be any better than the first one. Probably at some point during those first laps with the car at Jerez.

Faced with another long season plugging away at the back of the field, Glock is resigned to making the most out of what he’s got.

He was ecstatic with his Monaco qualifying lap, even if he wasn’t able to overhaul either of the Lotuses on that occasion. At Silverstone he was keeping Jarno Trulli behind when the Lotus dropped out.

He’s got to be on the list of any front-running team with a vacancy for 2012.

Another season as a backmarker, surely not something a driver of his talent deserves. Hopefully the team improves or he moves to a better one, as he’s clearly talented and it would be great to see him driving a good car (again).
Enigma

Timo Glock 2011 form guide

9. Heikki Kovalainen

Beat team mate in qualifying 8/9
Beat team mate in race 2/4
Races finished 5/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 193/369

Another driver who deserves better machinery than he has at his disposal.

Kovalainen has been little troubled by his team mate so far this year and has grabbed opportunities to move the T128 up the order – such as his appearance in Q2 at Silverstone.

Quietly doing the job at Lotus and has been the one to take the opportunity of getting into Q2 when it comes up. It seems like he genuinely cares about making Lotus better and it doesn’t matter to him that he’s at the back, so long as he’s racing. Heikki is fast becoming one of my favourite drivers.
Icthyes

Heikki Kovalainen 2011 form guide

Kamui Kobayashi, Sauber, Valencia, 2011

Kamui Kobayashi, Sauber, Valencia, 2011

8. Kamui Kobayashi

Beat team mate in qualifying 5/9
Beat team mate in race 3/5
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 245/407

No longer the upstart rookie, Kobayashi has been thrust into the role of team leader at Sauber – and he’s responded to the challenge very well.

Six points finishes in nine races only tell part of the story. An assault from Schumacher in Silverstone and the team’s disqualification in Melbourne likely cost him two more.

Best of all, he hasn’t lost his capacity for gutsy, crowd-pleasing overtaking moves – he’s still a joy to watch.

Has driven very well in a Sauber that’s much improved over last year’s. Probably the most consistent driver who doesn’t have a top-tier car.
xxiinophobia

Kamui Kobayashi 2011 form guide

7. Felipe Massa

Beat team mate in qualifying 0/9
Beat team mate in race 2/6
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 116/463

Massa took a fair kicking from Fernando Alonso last year, and it’s to his credit that he’s picked himself up after it.

Buoyed by a change of tyres for 2011, he is performing noticeably better.

The qualifying scoreline still makes for painful reading but Massa has been within hundredths of Alonso at some races. He made a habit of jumping his team mate at the start earlier in the year, too.

He had a particularly good run in China, passing Lewis Hamilton early on and finishing in front of Alonso, albeit in sixth place.

Despite claims Massa’s season is looking better than 2010, he is always the last of the top three teams. He has showed some good performances in qualifying almost matching Alonso like in Canada, and beat him in Malaysia and China, but he has yet to finish higher than fifth. After nine races, three podiums a win by his team mate, podiums should be in reach for the Brazilian.
Fixy

Felipe Massa 2011 form guide

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Shanghai, 2011

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Shanghai, 2011

6. Mark Webber

Beat team mate in qualifying 2/9
Beat team mate in race 0/9
Races finished 9/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 6/551

Webber badly needed to put one over Sebastian Vettel at Silverstone, so no wonder he ignored the team’s demand for him to back off.

The Red Bull duo are the only drivers to have completed every racing lap this year – and Webber was ahead for just six of them.

True, he’s had some problems with KERS during the year, but this alone isn’t enough to explain the gap to his team mate – Vettel has not been immune to similar problems.

Early in the year Webber was having a much harder time with the new tyres than his team mate – wearing them out more quickly and not getting the same performance out of them. He’s made significant progress in that regard since then.

China was his stand-out performance of the first half of the year. Left 18th on the grid after failing to get through Q1 on hard tyres without KERS, he raced through the field to an excellent third place.

Some good drives, but he has the same car as the champion and is 80 points behind him. Amazing in China though.
Daykind

Mark Webber 2011 form guide

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152 comments on 2011 half season driver rankings part 2: 15-6

  1. Mads (@mads) said on 17th July 2011, 12:19

    I think Glock is a little overrated. But i really disagree with Webber and Massa being so high up. Massa has been “good” compared to what he did last year, but he is still not doing well. I think he is just not as bad as last year. I know it is tough, and i really like the guy, but his performance is really disappointing.
    Webber have been totally left in the dust by Vettel, yes Vettel has grown to incredible heights and he is really doing well and it is no surprise that he can’t match him, but his starts have just been incredibly bad. Really really bad. When Vettel generally have had very good starts, so it don’t seem to be a problem with the car.
    When he has a team mate who is able to not finish below 2nd i think it is in fact very poor that he has only just overtaken JB in the points.
    To be unable to match his team mate is one thing, but to be doing worse then other drivers who is in generally slower cars is just not worthy of a 6th place.

    • Anders said on 17th July 2011, 12:37

      I think Glock is highly underrated, It is quite unfair to have a clear picture of his talent in the Virgin car.

      I think he should be higher up, maybe 7th or 6th

      • ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 17th July 2011, 13:11

        No, I don’t think so.

        Glock has done a decent job, but he lost motivation a bit early in the year and was regularly getting beaten by D’Ambrosio even, around the Chinese GP period.

      • Mads (@mads) said on 17th July 2011, 13:46

        Yeah it is very hard, but sometimes they look better then they are because of their situation.
        It is not like Timo has totally embarrassed D’Ambrosio who is just a rookie, so i think 10th is too high up in the rankings in my opinion.

    • F1 98 said on 17th July 2011, 20:23

      Glock is overrated he is good but not
      Top 10 worthy him and sutil should switch spots

  2. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 17th July 2011, 12:50

    I was going to put Heikki 9th if I’d done a Top 10, so it’s great to see my quote was used as well!

    • Congrats :) Heikki’s impressed me more this year. I thought after a while at the back his chin would drop but if anything he’s performing even better than last year.

      • Sorry for double post but the funny thing is back in his Mclaren days I doubt I’d have put him as high as 9th in either season. I hope he doesn’t turn into a Fisichella where he can be superb in bad/average cars but fail to deliver in good ones.

        • Soumya said on 18th July 2011, 17:37

          Yeah,i definitely think he deserves a better drive. Maybe not a Red Bull,since he was a flop in Macca,but definitely a Williams or a renault(hope he replaces the bloody Petrov,i dont like ppl like him or Maldonado who are in mid-grid teams only because of their pockets,while better drivers,fail to make the grid at all,or like Kovy or Glock,are further down the field in worse cars.

  3. sumedh said on 17th July 2011, 13:10

    Order from 1 to 5
    1. Vettel
    2. Alonso
    3. Button
    4. Hamilton
    5. Rosberg

    2,3,4 is debatable. I will definitely put Alonso above Hamilton. But should Button be better than Hamilton, I would say so, but it is debatable. Between Button and Alonso, I am inclined to rule in favor of Alonso.

  4. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 17th July 2011, 13:43

    I actually grimmaced when I read: “Massa: Beat team mate in qualifying 0/9″ and “Webber: Beat team mate in race 0/9.”

    It doesn’t make pretty reading does it…

    • ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 17th July 2011, 14:38

      And that’s not even Webber’s most damning statistic

      Laps spent ahead of team mate 6/551

      • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 17th July 2011, 18:38

        I thought it was bad enough I mentioned 0/9!

        • HoHum (@hohum) said on 17th July 2011, 20:55

          Actually 6 out of 551 is a higher ration than 0 out of 9. but reflects team tactics. Why not look at places gained during the races? If this was your criteria Webber would be far better than Vettel for the season so far. Somebody else will have to work out how this would look for all drivers.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 17th July 2011, 20:56

            RATIO not ration.

          • Tim said on 17th July 2011, 21:39

            Why not look at places gained during the races?

            It’s an interesting statistic, but it only really tells you who qualified below the potential of their machinery.

            It also provides an artificially negative picture of drivers who manage to drag a decent time from their car in qualifying but will inevitably fall back in the race.

          • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 18th July 2011, 5:04

            It also provides an artificially negative picture of drivers who manage to drag a decent time from their car in qualifying but will inevitably fall back in the race.

            Exactly. I have my doubts about Vettel’s ability to overtake but its not exactly a bad thing if you stick it on pole, lead into the first corner, lead every lap and end up winning the race.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 18th July 2011, 13:04

            Just saying you can bend statistics any way you want, in the end it is all subjective. Also most of Webbers career he has been ” managing to drag a decent time in qualifying from a car that inevitably fell back in the race” rating Webber based purely on his performance against Vettel does him a disservice .Name your candidate to have done better in Marks place.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 18th July 2011, 21:27

            Just saying you can bend statistics any way you want, in the end it is all subjective.

            You can bend them. But in the vast majority of ways of bending them, Vettel comes out on top (by far).

            Also most of Webbers career he has been ” managing to drag a decent time in qualifying from a car that inevitably fell back in the race” rating Webber based purely on his performance against Vettel does him a disservice

            He did do well at Jaguar, but judging him based on his RB efforts isn’t doing him a disservice unless he turns it around. Fisichella, Kovalainen, Barrichello are more examples of drivers who did well in midfield but will be remembered for not delivering in the best cars.

            Name your candidate to have done better in Marks place.

            We can never truly know the answer, but this isn’t about who could have done better in his place. It’s either about Webber underperforming or Vettel overperforming.

  5. f1geordie said on 17th July 2011, 13:46

    Surely Paul di Resta needs to be moved up?!

  6. Michaeljs317 (@mclaren-fan-17) said on 17th July 2011, 14:11

    This comment is slightly out of place but the first driver rankings article stops abruptly in the middle of the section about Pastor Maldonado, and it also doesn’t let me comment, I’ve tried refreshing the page and have tried using multiple browsers, but I still have the same problem.

  7. Marco said on 17th July 2011, 14:38

    Season 2011: (after 9 races)
    Some race statistics from 2011:

    The best SINGLE performance of a driver: (in terms of an average race position)

    01. Sebastian Vettel – 1,017 – Turkish GP + European GP
    02. Lewis Hamilton – 1,948 – Australian GP
    03. Fernando Alonso – 2,230 – British GP
    04. Jenson Button – 2,243 – Monaco GP
    05. Mark Webber – 2,543 – European GP
    06. Nico Rosberg – 3,339 – Chinese GP
    07. Vitaly Petrov – 3,517 – Australian GP
    08. Felipe Massa – 3,839 – Chinese GP
    09. Nick Heidfeld – 4,321 – Malaysian GP
    10. Kamui Kobayashi – 4,414 – Canadian GP
    11. Michael Schumacher – 6,338 – Spanish GP
    12. Adrian Sutil – 7,389 – Monaco GP
    13. Pastor Maldonado – 7,547 – Monaco GP
    14. Paul Di Resta – 9,089 – Chinese GP
    15. Sergio PĂ©rez – 9,096 – British GP
    16. SĂ©bastien Buemi – 9,672 – Turkish GP
    17. Rubens Barrichello – 10,181 – Monaco GP
    18. Jaime Alguersuari – 10,232 – European GP
    19. Jarno Trulli – 15,855 – Monaco GP
    20. Heikki Kovalainen – 16,105 – Australian GP
    21. Timo Glock – 16,797 – Canadian GP
    22. JerĂłme D Ambrosio – 17,925 – Australian GP
    23. Vitantonio Liuzzi – 18,652 – Canadian GP
    24. Narain Karthikeyan – 19,173 – Canadian GP

    All 9 race performances counted together, resulting to a one average racing position:

    01. Sebastian Vettel – 1,354
    02. Fernando Alonso – 3,898
    03. Lewis Hamilton – 4,292
    04. Jenson Button – 5,130
    05. Mark Webber – 5,219
    06. Felipe Massa – 5,976
    07. Nico Rosberg – 8,164
    08. Vitaly Petrov – 9,057
    09. Nick Heidfeld – 10,007
    10. Kamui Kobayashi – 10,449
    11. Paul Di Resta – 11,648
    12. Adrian Sutil – 11,674
    13. Michael Schumacher – 11,869
    14. SĂ©bastien Buemi – 12,868
    15. Sergio PĂ©rez – 13,073
    16. Jaime Alguersuari – 13,343
    17. Rubens Barrichello – 14,723
    18. Pastor Maldonado – 14,996
    19. Heikki Kovalainen – 17,921
    20. Jarno Trulli – 18,016
    21. Timo Glock – 19,068
    22. JerĂłme D Ambrosio – 19,957
    23. Vitantonio Liuzzi – 20,823
    24. Narain Karthikeyan – 21,840

    Others:

    Pedro De La Rosa – 13,485
    Daniel Ricciardo – 20,959

    The RACE battles between teammates (from closest to the farthest):

    01. Paul Di Resta vs. Adrian Sutil – difference 0,026 of a position
    02. Heikki Kovalainen vs. Jarno Trulli – difference 0,095 of a position
    03. Rubens Barrichello vs. Pastor Maldonado – difference 0,273 of a position
    04. SĂ©bastien Buemi vs. Jaime Alguersuari – difference 0,475 of a position
    05. Lewis Hamilton vs. Jenson Button – difference 0,838 of a position
    06. Timo Glock vs. JerĂłme D Ambrosio – difference 0,889 of a position
    07. Vitaly Petrov vs. Nick Heidfeld – difference 0,950 of a position
    08. Vitantonio Liuzzi vs. Narain Karthikeyan – difference 1,017 position
    09. Fernando Alonso vs. Felipe Massa – difference 2,078 positions
    10. Kamui Kobayashi vs. Sergio PĂ©rez – difference 2,624 positions
    11. Nico Rosberg vs. Michael Schumacher – difference 3,705 positions
    12. Sebastian Vettel vs. Mark Webber – difference 3,865 positions

    So the best drivers of 2011 so far (looking at the performance of car, only race counted)

    01. Fernando Alonso
    02. Kamui Kobayashi
    03. Nico Rosberg
    04. SĂ©bastien Buemi
    05. Sebastian Vettel
    06. Lewis Hamilton
    07. Paul Di Resta
    08. Rubens Barrichello
    09. Heikki Kovalainen
    10. Timo Glock
    11. Vitantonio Liuzzi
    12. Jenson Button
    13. Felipe Massa
    14. Vitaly Petrov
    15. Adrian Sutil
    16. Jaime Alguersuari
    17. Pastor Maldonado
    18. Jarno Trulli
    19. JerĂłme D Ambrosio
    20. Narain Karthikeyan
    21. Nick Heidfeld
    22. Sergio PĂ©rez
    23. Mark Webber
    24. Michael Schumacher

    The best driver rankings will off course change race after race… :)

    • Mads (@mads) said on 17th July 2011, 15:01

      How do Vettel end up 5th?
      Can you explain how you count up the scores, since i can’t really see the logic.
      Vettel is on top in all your stats except the second to last one, where of cause he is the lowest, but that can only be a good thing, so i don’t see why being on top in every statistic will put him 5th.

      • Marco said on 17th July 2011, 15:23

        Ferrari has generally only 3th best car this year (standings), so that s places 5 and 6… But Alonso is an excellent 2nd in the “all races counted statistics”, so he is much higher then he should be… That s why he is in 1st place… On other hand Webber is massively underperforming with a best car on grid, being only 5th in “all races counted statistics”… That s why he is almost last overall… It will change for sure as many drivers upped their performances (ALG, PÉR, SUT) and some others who are the moment high will probably fade…

        • Mads (@mads) said on 17th July 2011, 16:35

          But i still don’t see how that can move Vettel to 5th? He might have the fastest car, but by how much? In the races it has usually only been the 2nd fastest car.
          What is your formula for calculating the statistics into a final score?

    • John H said on 17th July 2011, 20:03

      Just what does Vettel have to do to claim number 1 spot in your rankings? Or is it actually impossible for him to do so because of his car?

    • bill said on 19th July 2011, 2:47

      Schumacher last, Of course he is, Its a british site

  8. UKfanatic (@) said on 17th July 2011, 15:00

    Buemi wanst taking any beating last year, he simply had much more technical problems, if you watched his races very closely you should have seen it

    • Marco said on 17th July 2011, 15:17

      Good joke! ;) The one who suffered with bad luck last year was Alguersuari… You should watch Spanish, Singapore and Korean races again where he lost 10 possible points… Not to mention the unfair penalty in Belgium, where he was demoted from 10th place… Buemi is only moaning again, but the truth is he had no problems in Valencia or Canada last year… And his “bad luck” resulted in benefiting from Schumachers penalty in Monaco to take another point… At Monza he just wasn t quick enough to maintain the position ahead of Barrichello after pitstops… And in other GPs, he wasn t able to reach the top 10… And about this year, he should be very happy with the “3 given” points in Australia, where the Saubers were disqualifyied… The situation is getting back to the second half of 2010 and Buemi is searching for excuses, again…

      • Last year in Spain Jaime was a bit crazy when he barged into a backmarker. Buemi also had absolutely rotten luck at the beginning of the season where he was taken out constantly on the first lap but at least he got to lead at Canada.

        For the last few races it did seem that Buemi was under pressure and his team mate was turning the tables though but Buemi once again has taken control early on. I always felt Jaime had potential but I must admit I’ve lost a lot of faith and during their time together Buemi has been the better of the pair.

        • Marco said on 17th July 2011, 16:56

          One user here wrote the possible reason why it is all happening with the Toro Rosso drivers… It seems that Alguersuari just needs time to get use to the technical things and changes, maybe because of less experience? But after understanding the problems it looks like he has the ability to bounce back and recover… It happened last year and it looks to me it can happen again…
          And then it is up to Buemi how he will handle the pressure, but he was struggling with it last year making mistakes in races and losing ground in qualifying…

          • You could be right Marco and maybe it does take Jaime a little while longer to adjust. I’m actually really enjoying watching their battle because although I feel Buemi is stronger I really don’t have any clue how it’ll end up.

  9. Damon said on 17th July 2011, 15:35

    Keith, I thought Petrov hasn’t appeared in the classification yet, because – as I just realized – the previous article cuts off at no. 20.
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/pietrow.png/

    Could you please look into this?

  10. kateafan said on 17th July 2011, 15:35

    I’m not going to give a shopping list of excuses for Webber, seeing as he hasn’t done but the KERS issue is the least of it; he’s lost at least 3 whole sessions due to mechanical failures and most of all a car that’s had 3 different chassis changes compared to his team mate who’s never had to change from day one.
    Clearly qualifying has been a problem and at Silverstone we got to see openly the management’s true colours.

    • I know Mark’s had some bad luck but the problem for me is when Seb bins in in practice (his own daft fault) but then takes the pole and win (such as Turkey and almost the win in Canada) it just feels like nothing can touch him.

      I’m glad Mark seems to be getting to grips with the Pirelli tyres and I think his season is just going to get better and better hopefully but even with his bad luck before his lack of pace such as in China qualifying just couldn’t be dressed up for me.

      Thanks Kate for the info about thw chassis changes too as I never knew that.

      • kateafan said on 17th July 2011, 17:12

        Thanks Steph, that’s why I mentioned the chassis’ as I didn’t think it had been widely publicised.
        An insider on the RBR community was going to explain before the site was taken down.

  11. UKfanatic (@) said on 17th July 2011, 15:43

    My top 6 drivers this season

    5ÂșJenson Button
    4ÂșLewis Hamilton
    3ÂșNico Rosberg
    2ÂșF.Alonso
    1ÂșSeb.Vettel

    F1fanatic performance top 6

    5ÂșNico Rosberg
    4ÂșFernando Alonso
    3ÂșLewis Hamilton
    2ÂșJenson Button
    1ÂșSebastian Vettel

  12. gwenouille (@gwenouille) said on 17th July 2011, 22:29

    I am a bit surprised by the fact that Keith’s ranking roughly mimics the points ranking

    I mean, you get little teams’ drivers in the lower positions, the renault, saubers, Torro Rosso in the middle and the top 8 at the top

    With the notable exceptions of MSC and KOV, i find it a bit
 cautious.
    Really, one has to convince me that Massa is doing a better job at Ferrari than Kobayashi at Sauber
 I mean, he was stripped of his points in Melbourne, and hit by Schmacher, given a stop and go by his own lollypop-man and left stranded by his engine in Silverstone after a nice P8 quali. Apart from that he’s been stellar.
    Honestly, i certainly think he’d be much higher in the
    championship ranking with a Ferrari, a Macca, let alone a RB !

    • Neusalz (@dpod) said on 17th July 2011, 22:36

      In some cases I agree but it is very hard to rank drivers differently than the points system. I have tried to rate drivers focusing solely on driving ability in the forum and I ended up with something somewhat related to what the point system has. Who knows, maybe Kovalainen is better than Vettel in reality (example) but looking at what we have we can only conclude that thats incorrect.

  13. Daniel said on 17th July 2011, 23:25

    Don’t forget that it is easier to shine in a low or medium team than when you’re driving for the top guns.

    I could make a long list of drivers who showed huge potential when driving at the midfield, but couldn’t deliver, but I’ll make it short, thinking only of the last 15 years:

    Barrichello (has to be the first), Frentzen, Fisichella and Irvine… all of them were hailed as future champions, but couldn’t live to the promisse, while their team-mates were winning the championship, or were very close to do it…

    I’d list Coulthard also, but he only went to a smaller team after spending many many years at the top (Williams and McLaren) without a championship title to his name…

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 18th July 2011, 13:10

      Right, and if Red Bull had kept Coulthard, instead of hiring Vettel, Mark Webber would be on his way to a second wdc.now.

  14. Johnny86 said on 18th July 2011, 3:49

    My top 4(i dont remember rosberg’s races perfectly)- rating system- all drivers have an initial score of 10.
    2. For exceptional quali +.25 and -.25 for bad quali, for exceptional race +.5, for mistakes or bad race (-.5/-1)
    max score can be 10.
    1. Vettel 10/10(gets more than 10 so dont need to elaborate)
    2.Alonso (aus -.5, mal -1, china -1, spain+.75, monaco+.5,valencia +.5,silverstone +.5)=9.75/10

    3. Button (aus -.75,mal+.5,china -.25,turkey -.5,barca-.25,mon +.25,canada +.5,valencia -.5,silverstone -.25)=8.75/10

    4. Hamilton
    (mal-.5, china +.5,monaco -1.25,canada -1, silverstone +.5 )=8.25/10

    feel free to disagree.

  15. Hmmm. I think Heikki’s rated a touch too high, but given how he’s thrashed Trulli this year, I won’t complain. But Timo is definitely rated way too high in my opinion. I’m sorry, but I don’t see how the lead driver of the last-placed team in the WCC (beaten by a barely-surviving HRT) can get a Top-10 ranking, when drivers like Perez or Schumacher can’t.

    • gwenouille (@gwenouille) said on 18th July 2011, 9:47

      I think you get it all wrong here
 We rate the driver, not the car !
      If you put N Kathikeyan in the red bull next year and F.Alonso in the HRT and , of course, Alonso can’t score a single point but finishes 11th while NK scores the odd 9th or 10th place, will you rate NK gigher than FA ???

      • 85Q said on 18th July 2011, 13:38

        tho alonso did go close to scoring points in equally slow minardi.

        remember him out driving the bennettons on occasions. Id love to see some onboard footage of the suzuka race in 01.

        in a short space of time we were lucky to have some brilliant rookies.

        montoya, kimi and fernando all in 01!

  16. steco (@steco) said on 18th July 2011, 16:22

    why on earth stupid one-finger man shoould be on top? its not so hard 2 b on top with the best car…
    alonso should be top1 pushing on every lap, sometimes putting ferrari where it doesn’t deserve to be.
    than 2 and 3 for mclaren guys,
    4th is vettel followed by webber (as webber is doing much better job on track even after poor quali than rosberg)
    6 kobayashi – way better performance than rosberg
    7 rosberg or massa…

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 18th July 2011, 21:33

      Arguing that it’s not hard to win in the fastest car makes your ranking of Webber (right next to Vettel) look foolish.

  17. Sam said on 18th July 2011, 22:40

    how is webber 6th ? he is doing a terrible job compared to vettel

  18. Hoohah said on 19th July 2011, 16:26

    Anyone else hate the mostly American term ‘rookie’?

  19. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 20th July 2011, 11:02

    A good synopsis again, very fair. I anticipate the top 6 will cause some arguments ;)

    To he honest though, I don’t think Kobayashi has really pulled anything like he did in Suzuka last year with regards to overtaking.

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