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152 comments on 2011 half season driver rankings part 2: 15-6

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   sumedh said on 17th July 2011, 11:28

   Can’t believe Webber is that high up. He should be behind Heikki, Massa, Kobayashi, Glock at the very least. What has he done to be ahead of all these drivers.

   The Red Bull is easily the fastest car whatever be the rules on the blown diffuser. He has seemed powerless while chasing Vettel or while defending from Alonso. Even if one removes Vettel from the race results of every race, Webber is going to win only one of the nine races.

   At least Massa can argue that his strategy and pitstops have been badly managed, what defence does Webber have?

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   John H said on 17th July 2011, 11:29

   Agree with all of this except Massa… how he’s ranked 7th out of 26 drivers for this half of the season I cannot fathom, but so pleased Glock and Kovalainen are getting the credit they deserve. :)

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   debaser91 said on 17th July 2011, 11:38

   I like these rankings. Webber is a difficult one to place because he is being comprehensively beaten by Vettel but is still second in the championship. Think I would put him behind Kobayashi.

   Would have Petrov and Algersuari higher from yesterday and Schumacher, Glock and Buemi lower.

   5. Rosberg
   4. Hamilton
   3. Button
   2. Alonso
   1. Vettel

   I would put Button in front of Hamilton because Lewis is capable of better results in that car but hasn’t achieved them because of his own errors. Button is definitely the slower of the two but Hamilton has made too many mistakes so far.

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     HoHum (@hohum) said on 17th July 2011, 20:39

     Yes but Jenson can be very fast as well but of course the faster you drive the more mistakes you are likely to make.

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   Fixy (@fixy) said on 17th July 2011, 11:43

   7. Felipe Massa

   In 2010 his half-season ranking was 9th, so perhaps he really is stronger this year. The last few races have been the opposite of the first ones for him, and hopefully he’ll have a good end to the season, better than 2010 where he was ranked 16th.

   Despite claims Massa’s season is looking better than 2010, he is always the last of the top three teams. He has showed some good performances in qualifying almost matching Alonso like in Canada, and beat him in Malaysia and China, but he has yet to finish higher than fifth. After nine races, three podiums a win by his team mate, podiums should be in reach for the Brazilian.
   Fixy

   Apart from a typo (“three podiums a win” which should be “three podiums and a win”) I’m happy to have my first mention in an article, and fittingly for my favourite driver!

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     Steph (@) said on 17th July 2011, 12:49

     Congrats Fixy :) I really believe Massa has upped his game since last year too.

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       Fixy (@fixy) said on 17th July 2011, 13:55

       I thought 2010 was better for Massa, at least in the first half, but in both occasions after some good race he had some horrible ones. Also, this year the Ferrari is further from the Red Bull so it’s more understandable why he has not had podiums, but Alonso has and so should he. In 2010 he had two podiums in the first two races and also led the championship for one race. This year he’s 6th from the beginning rather than having some good performances and then bad ones, so he’s more consistent but still average.

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         Steph (@) said on 17th July 2011, 18:35

         I just feel that Massa’s been closer to Alonso this year and the first rule is beat your team mate :P He looks more lively and likely to do something while last year I mostly thought he was out of his depth. His results and qualifying on paper may be worse than 2010 but strangely, I feel more confident in him. Perhaps I’m just insane. :P

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     ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 17th July 2011, 13:09

     Yes, and if only he had optimal strategies and pitstops, he’d almost certainly have had at least a few more Top 5 results.

     Webber’s luck finally turned around in 2010 after so many years of bad luck, so you’d think it’d be Massa’s turn next, who’s probably one of the few other drivers apart from Webber to have a tendency for a lot of bad luck.

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   ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 17th July 2011, 12:00

   I think that Rosberg’s already too high. His qualifying has been good this year, but his racing has generally been average.

   It seems that he generally goes backwards in the first few laps, and then often gets stuck in the midfield. However, to his credit, the car’s race pace is poor, and he hasn’t been involved in the incidents that Schumacher has.

   It seems Schumacher’s improved more than Rosberg from 2010 to 2011, and that really isn’t a good sign for Nico.

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     Ral said on 17th July 2011, 12:34

     To be fair to Rosberg, I think all that does is show that Schumacher had more room for improvement compared to last season. Which we all knew he had.

     I’ve mentioned this on the forum, but Peter Windsor did an interview with Ross Brawn in which (for the first time ever for me) Ross gives plain praise and admits Rosberg is just getting more out of the car than Schumacher is.

     “First, Nico is doing a fantastic job,” he replies. “He’s set a very high reference for Michael to match and beat. And we’ve not done a great car this year, as I say. We’re struggling a bit with the rear tyres, we’re struggling with rear tyre consistency, we’re having to look at how we set the car up to look after that situation. Whether this moves more towards Michael than Nico – or vice versa – I don’t know.
     I persist: why the speed differential? From where does it mostly come?

     “That’s a very good question!” says Ross ruefully. “Michael pores over the data trying work out where Nico’s speed comes from. They both apex the corner at similar speeds, so it’s the way you enter and exit that chips away at those hundredths of a second that accumulate into a gain. You couldn’t pick a spot or an aspect of a corner and say ‘Nico brakes better than Michael’ or is ‘better in traction’; he just puts a corner together a little bit better than Michael in terms of braking and turning-in. And that’s a reflection on how good Nico is. He has progressed over the last few years. The reason we asked him to join the team is that we were all impressed with him at Williams but he was a little less consistent there at times. But here he has been really consistent and has fitted in well.”

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       Robbie said on 18th July 2011, 14:34

       Agree completely Ral…MS had more room for improvement over last season…and isn’t it fascinating how we have gone from Brawn saying MS will be 2010 WDC, to him saying NR has ‘set a very high reference for Michael to match and beat’…unprecedented in MS’s F1 career. Night and day different to how he has had it throughout his F1 career previous to his return.

       Put another way…anyone who might have said a year and a half ago that by mid-2011 NR would still be leading MS in points would have been laughed off this site…

       And here NR sits best of the rest…with MS as a teammate…

       Huge kudos to NR. Huge feather in his cap. Many drivers were glad to see MS return so they could have an opportunity to race against a 7-time WDC and try to beat him…NR is in the heart of that, and dealing with it just fine. Way to go NR.

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         Mgn said on 20th July 2011, 18:28

         But Michael is in his 40s and not in his prime Yet Schu race pace in couple of races has been better than Nico, i don’t think NR will be fully proud of himself by outscoring 40s Michael rather than Michael at his prime. Nico is a very good driver but i don’t think he will be put on the legendary list the like of Senna, Schumacher, Prost etc. If Michael decided to retire and Mercedes does sign Di Resta as Nico teammate, i think Di Resta going to make Nico looks overrated.
         And Brawn also said that Michael is still the icon at MGP:
         “it’s the first complete car he’s designed. So I think it’s pretty impressive but it’s not where we want to be. John’s next car will for sure be a lot better. So we’re a team in transition but a team that for me is transitioning in a very upward direction. And Michael is helping us achieve that, helping us build the team.

         “Michael is very involved with visiting the factory, with working with the engineers, with helping them understand where we’ve got to focus. And because he’s got such charisma everyone listens! Nico Rosberg is also very effective in this role but of course Michael is this iconic character and when he comes to the factory people listen. He does present things in a way that forces people to challenge him. He doesn’t just want to say ‘do this, this and this’; he wants people to challenge him and to understand why. It’s rare for him to say ‘look, you must change this because I think it will solve the problem’. He presents the problem and then debates with the engineers about how the problem could be solved. He doesn’t have many pre-conceived ideas about how things should be. He has a good, open mind. He provokes debate, provokes discussion. He’s very good in this respect.”

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           Robbie said on 21st July 2011, 14:35

           Ok but I think you are conveniently downgrading MS in defence of him…nobody put a gun to MS’s head to return and obviously he thought he could come back and compete, so he’s fair game as far as I’m concerned. In spite of his age, most people thought he would be on form in no time last year and Brawn even had him as 2010 WDC. And while I agree NR is nowhere near the legendary category (few are), you are putting MS there but at the same time saying it is no big deal and that NR should feel less pride in besting MS due to MS’s age. I think NR is probably feeling huge pride in how he is dealing with a legend as a teammate who is back with his main man Ross Brawn who was so instrumental in so much of MS’s success.

           I think it is inevitable that MS is using his experience at the factory…he has that experience so of course he is going to offer it when the end game is to make himself faster on the track ie. I doubt his main focus is to provoke debate and discussion on car solutions so that NR can go faster…unfortunately for him it is still not enough and for every input at the factory he and NR make NR is fine with it and keeping pace just nicely…it’s like he was never phazed by having MS as a teammate.
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         Mgn said on 21st July 2011, 17:31

         I think not downgrading, even at his 40s he still could pace Nico in some occasions. Lewis one of that excited about Schumi return also said that Schumi not at his best. So i don’t think NR would feel huge pride on outscoring Michael last year. And to developed a team it took years like Michael at Ferrari, yes it is part of Ross too on Ferrari success but Michael played the biggest part and many expert believe on that. it is your doubt about that but i tend to and i believe many more listen to Ross quotes as he knows better on that.

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   Mads (@mads) said on 17th July 2011, 12:19

   I think Glock is a little overrated. But i really disagree with Webber and Massa being so high up. Massa has been “good” compared to what he did last year, but he is still not doing well. I think he is just not as bad as last year. I know it is tough, and i really like the guy, but his performance is really disappointing.
   Webber have been totally left in the dust by Vettel, yes Vettel has grown to incredible heights and he is really doing well and it is no surprise that he can’t match him, but his starts have just been incredibly bad. Really really bad. When Vettel generally have had very good starts, so it don’t seem to be a problem with the car.
   When he has a team mate who is able to not finish below 2nd i think it is in fact very poor that he has only just overtaken JB in the points.
   To be unable to match his team mate is one thing, but to be doing worse then other drivers who is in generally slower cars is just not worthy of a 6th place.

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     Anders said on 17th July 2011, 12:37

     I think Glock is highly underrated, It is quite unfair to have a clear picture of his talent in the Virgin car.

     I think he should be higher up, maybe 7th or 6th

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       ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 17th July 2011, 13:11

       No, I don’t think so.

       Glock has done a decent job, but he lost motivation a bit early in the year and was regularly getting beaten by D’Ambrosio even, around the Chinese GP period.

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       Mads (@mads) said on 17th July 2011, 13:46

       Yeah it is very hard, but sometimes they look better then they are because of their situation.
       It is not like Timo has totally embarrassed D’Ambrosio who is just a rookie, so i think 10th is too high up in the rankings in my opinion.

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     F1 98 said on 17th July 2011, 20:23

     Glock is overrated he is good but not
     Top 10 worthy him and sutil should switch spots

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   Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 17th July 2011, 12:50

   I was going to put Heikki 9th if I’d done a Top 10, so it’s great to see my quote was used as well!

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     Steph (@) said on 17th July 2011, 15:42

     Congrats :) Heikki’s impressed me more this year. I thought after a while at the back his chin would drop but if anything he’s performing even better than last year.

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       Steph (@) said on 17th July 2011, 15:43

       Sorry for double post but the funny thing is back in his Mclaren days I doubt I’d have put him as high as 9th in either season. I hope he doesn’t turn into a Fisichella where he can be superb in bad/average cars but fail to deliver in good ones.

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         Soumya said on 18th July 2011, 17:37

         Yeah,i definitely think he deserves a better drive. Maybe not a Red Bull,since he was a flop in Macca,but definitely a Williams or a renault(hope he replaces the bloody Petrov,i dont like ppl like him or Maldonado who are in mid-grid teams only because of their pockets,while better drivers,fail to make the grid at all,or like Kovy or Glock,are further down the field in worse cars.

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   sumedh said on 17th July 2011, 13:10

   Order from 1 to 5
   1. Vettel
   2. Alonso
   3. Button
   4. Hamilton
   5. Rosberg

   2,3,4 is debatable. I will definitely put Alonso above Hamilton. But should Button be better than Hamilton, I would say so, but it is debatable. Between Button and Alonso, I am inclined to rule in favor of Alonso.

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   GeeMac (@geemac) said on 17th July 2011, 13:43

   I actually grimmaced when I read: “Massa: Beat team mate in qualifying 0/9″ and “Webber: Beat team mate in race 0/9.”

   It doesn’t make pretty reading does it…

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     ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 17th July 2011, 14:38

     And that’s not even Webber’s most damning statistic

     Laps spent ahead of team mate 6/551

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       GeeMac (@geemac) said on 17th July 2011, 18:38

       I thought it was bad enough I mentioned 0/9!

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         HoHum (@hohum) said on 17th July 2011, 20:55

         Actually 6 out of 551 is a higher ration than 0 out of 9. but reflects team tactics. Why not look at places gained during the races? If this was your criteria Webber would be far better than Vettel for the season so far. Somebody else will have to work out how this would look for all drivers.

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           HoHum (@hohum) said on 17th July 2011, 20:56

           RATIO not ration.
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           Tim said on 17th July 2011, 21:39

           Why not look at places gained during the races?

           It’s an interesting statistic, but it only really tells you who qualified below the potential of their machinery.

           It also provides an artificially negative picture of drivers who manage to drag a decent time from their car in qualifying but will inevitably fall back in the race.
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           GeeMac (@geemac) said on 18th July 2011, 5:04

           It also provides an artificially negative picture of drivers who manage to drag a decent time from their car in qualifying but will inevitably fall back in the race.

           Exactly. I have my doubts about Vettel’s ability to overtake but its not exactly a bad thing if you stick it on pole, lead into the first corner, lead every lap and end up winning the race.
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           HoHum (@hohum) said on 18th July 2011, 13:04

           Just saying you can bend statistics any way you want, in the end it is all subjective. Also most of Webbers career he has been ” managing to drag a decent time in qualifying from a car that inevitably fell back in the race” rating Webber based purely on his performance against Vettel does him a disservice .Name your candidate to have done better in Marks place.
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           Dizzy-A (@david-a) said on 18th July 2011, 21:27

           Just saying you can bend statistics any way you want, in the end it is all subjective.

           You can bend them. But in the vast majority of ways of bending them, Vettel comes out on top (by far).

           Also most of Webbers career he has been ” managing to drag a decent time in qualifying from a car that inevitably fell back in the race” rating Webber based purely on his performance against Vettel does him a disservice

           He did do well at Jaguar, but judging him based on his RB efforts isn’t doing him a disservice unless he turns it around. Fisichella, Kovalainen, Barrichello are more examples of drivers who did well in midfield but will be remembered for not delivering in the best cars.

           Name your candidate to have done better in Marks place.

           We can never truly know the answer, but this isn’t about who could have done better in his place. It’s either about Webber underperforming or Vettel overperforming.
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    f1geordie said on 17th July 2011, 13:46

    Surely Paul di Resta needs to be moved up?!

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    McLaren Fan 17 (@mclaren-fan-17) said on 17th July 2011, 14:11

    This comment is slightly out of place but the first driver rankings article stops abruptly in the middle of the section about Pastor Maldonado, and it also doesn’t let me comment, I’ve tried refreshing the page and have tried using multiple browsers, but I still have the same problem.

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      John H said on 17th July 2011, 20:05

      I have the same problem :(

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    Marco said on 17th July 2011, 14:38

    Season 2011: (after 9 races)
    Some race statistics from 2011:

    The best SINGLE performance of a driver: (in terms of an average race position)

    01. Sebastian Vettel – 1,017 – Turkish GP + European GP
    02. Lewis Hamilton – 1,948 – Australian GP
    03. Fernando Alonso – 2,230 – British GP
    04. Jenson Button – 2,243 – Monaco GP
    05. Mark Webber – 2,543 – European GP
    06. Nico Rosberg – 3,339 – Chinese GP
    07. Vitaly Petrov – 3,517 – Australian GP
    08. Felipe Massa – 3,839 – Chinese GP
    09. Nick Heidfeld – 4,321 – Malaysian GP
    10. Kamui Kobayashi – 4,414 – Canadian GP
    11. Michael Schumacher – 6,338 – Spanish GP
    12. Adrian Sutil – 7,389 – Monaco GP
    13. Pastor Maldonado – 7,547 – Monaco GP
    14. Paul Di Resta – 9,089 – Chinese GP
    15. Sergio Pérez – 9,096 – British GP
    16. Sébastien Buemi – 9,672 – Turkish GP
    17. Rubens Barrichello – 10,181 – Monaco GP
    18. Jaime Alguersuari – 10,232 – European GP
    19. Jarno Trulli – 15,855 – Monaco GP
    20. Heikki Kovalainen – 16,105 – Australian GP
    21. Timo Glock – 16,797 – Canadian GP
    22. Jeróme D Ambrosio – 17,925 – Australian GP
    23. Vitantonio Liuzzi – 18,652 – Canadian GP
    24. Narain Karthikeyan – 19,173 – Canadian GP

    All 9 race performances counted together, resulting to a one average racing position:

    01. Sebastian Vettel – 1,354
    02. Fernando Alonso – 3,898
    03. Lewis Hamilton – 4,292
    04. Jenson Button – 5,130
    05. Mark Webber – 5,219
    06. Felipe Massa – 5,976
    07. Nico Rosberg – 8,164
    08. Vitaly Petrov – 9,057
    09. Nick Heidfeld – 10,007
    10. Kamui Kobayashi – 10,449
    11. Paul Di Resta – 11,648
    12. Adrian Sutil – 11,674
    13. Michael Schumacher – 11,869
    14. Sébastien Buemi – 12,868
    15. Sergio Pérez – 13,073
    16. Jaime Alguersuari – 13,343
    17. Rubens Barrichello – 14,723
    18. Pastor Maldonado – 14,996
    19. Heikki Kovalainen – 17,921
    20. Jarno Trulli – 18,016
    21. Timo Glock – 19,068
    22. Jeróme D Ambrosio – 19,957
    23. Vitantonio Liuzzi – 20,823
    24. Narain Karthikeyan – 21,840

    Others:

    Pedro De La Rosa – 13,485
    Daniel Ricciardo – 20,959

    The RACE battles between teammates (from closest to the farthest):

    01. Paul Di Resta vs. Adrian Sutil – difference 0,026 of a position
    02. Heikki Kovalainen vs. Jarno Trulli – difference 0,095 of a position
    03. Rubens Barrichello vs. Pastor Maldonado – difference 0,273 of a position
    04. Sébastien Buemi vs. Jaime Alguersuari – difference 0,475 of a position
    05. Lewis Hamilton vs. Jenson Button – difference 0,838 of a position
    06. Timo Glock vs. Jeróme D Ambrosio – difference 0,889 of a position
    07. Vitaly Petrov vs. Nick Heidfeld – difference 0,950 of a position
    08. Vitantonio Liuzzi vs. Narain Karthikeyan – difference 1,017 position
    09. Fernando Alonso vs. Felipe Massa – difference 2,078 positions
    10. Kamui Kobayashi vs. Sergio Pérez – difference 2,624 positions
    11. Nico Rosberg vs. Michael Schumacher – difference 3,705 positions
    12. Sebastian Vettel vs. Mark Webber – difference 3,865 positions

    So the best drivers of 2011 so far (looking at the performance of car, only race counted)

    01. Fernando Alonso
    02. Kamui Kobayashi
    03. Nico Rosberg
    04. Sébastien Buemi
    05. Sebastian Vettel
    06. Lewis Hamilton
    07. Paul Di Resta
    08. Rubens Barrichello
    09. Heikki Kovalainen
    10. Timo Glock
    11. Vitantonio Liuzzi
    12. Jenson Button
    13. Felipe Massa
    14. Vitaly Petrov
    15. Adrian Sutil
    16. Jaime Alguersuari
    17. Pastor Maldonado
    18. Jarno Trulli
    19. Jeróme D Ambrosio
    20. Narain Karthikeyan
    21. Nick Heidfeld
    22. Sergio Pérez
    23. Mark Webber
    24. Michael Schumacher

    The best driver rankings will off course change race after race… :)

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      Mads (@mads) said on 17th July 2011, 15:01

      How do Vettel end up 5th?
      Can you explain how you count up the scores, since i can’t really see the logic.
      Vettel is on top in all your stats except the second to last one, where of cause he is the lowest, but that can only be a good thing, so i don’t see why being on top in every statistic will put him 5th.

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        Marco said on 17th July 2011, 15:23

        Ferrari has generally only 3th best car this year (standings), so that s places 5 and 6… But Alonso is an excellent 2nd in the “all races counted statistics”, so he is much higher then he should be… That s why he is in 1st place… On other hand Webber is massively underperforming with a best car on grid, being only 5th in “all races counted statistics”… That s why he is almost last overall… It will change for sure as many drivers upped their performances (ALG, PÉR, SUT) and some others who are the moment high will probably fade…

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          Mads (@mads) said on 17th July 2011, 16:35

          But i still don’t see how that can move Vettel to 5th? He might have the fastest car, but by how much? In the races it has usually only been the 2nd fastest car.
          What is your formula for calculating the statistics into a final score?

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      John H said on 17th July 2011, 20:03

      Just what does Vettel have to do to claim number 1 spot in your rankings? Or is it actually impossible for him to do so because of his car?

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        Marco said on 18th July 2011, 10:51

        It is only a statistical ranking, not mine… :)

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          John H said on 18th July 2011, 20:10

          Can’t argue with statistics I guess.

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      bill said on 19th July 2011, 2:47

      Schumacher last, Of course he is, Its a british site

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    UKfanatic (@) said on 17th July 2011, 15:00

    Buemi wanst taking any beating last year, he simply had much more technical problems, if you watched his races very closely you should have seen it

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      Marco said on 17th July 2011, 15:17

      Good joke! ;) The one who suffered with bad luck last year was Alguersuari… You should watch Spanish, Singapore and Korean races again where he lost 10 possible points… Not to mention the unfair penalty in Belgium, where he was demoted from 10th place… Buemi is only moaning again, but the truth is he had no problems in Valencia or Canada last year… And his “bad luck” resulted in benefiting from Schumachers penalty in Monaco to take another point… At Monza he just wasn t quick enough to maintain the position ahead of Barrichello after pitstops… And in other GPs, he wasn t able to reach the top 10… And about this year, he should be very happy with the “3 given” points in Australia, where the Saubers were disqualifyied… The situation is getting back to the second half of 2010 and Buemi is searching for excuses, again…

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        Steph (@) said on 17th July 2011, 15:47

        Last year in Spain Jaime was a bit crazy when he barged into a backmarker. Buemi also had absolutely rotten luck at the beginning of the season where he was taken out constantly on the first lap but at least he got to lead at Canada.

        For the last few races it did seem that Buemi was under pressure and his team mate was turning the tables though but Buemi once again has taken control early on. I always felt Jaime had potential but I must admit I’ve lost a lot of faith and during their time together Buemi has been the better of the pair.

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          Marco said on 17th July 2011, 16:56

          One user here wrote the possible reason why it is all happening with the Toro Rosso drivers… It seems that Alguersuari just needs time to get use to the technical things and changes, maybe because of less experience? But after understanding the problems it looks like he has the ability to bounce back and recover… It happened last year and it looks to me it can happen again…
          And then it is up to Buemi how he will handle the pressure, but he was struggling with it last year making mistakes in races and losing ground in qualifying…

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            Steph (@) said on 17th July 2011, 18:37

            You could be right Marco and maybe it does take Jaime a little while longer to adjust. I’m actually really enjoying watching their battle because although I feel Buemi is stronger I really don’t have any clue how it’ll end up.
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    Damon said on 17th July 2011, 15:35

    Keith, I thought Petrov hasn’t appeared in the classification yet, because – as I just realized – the previous article cuts off at no. 20.
    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/15/pietrow.png/

    Could you please look into this?

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      Fixy (@fixy) said on 17th July 2011, 16:02

      You’re right! I’m sure the article was full when I read it!

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      McLaren Fan 17 (@mclaren-fan-17) said on 17th July 2011, 18:24

      I have exactly the same problem!

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      BasCB (@bascb) said on 17th July 2011, 19:13

      Yep Keith, looks like there is a problem with that article.

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    kateafan said on 17th July 2011, 15:35

    I’m not going to give a shopping list of excuses for Webber, seeing as he hasn’t done but the KERS issue is the least of it; he’s lost at least 3 whole sessions due to mechanical failures and most of all a car that’s had 3 different chassis changes compared to his team mate who’s never had to change from day one.
    Clearly qualifying has been a problem and at Silverstone we got to see openly the management’s true colours.

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      Steph (@) said on 17th July 2011, 15:54

      I know Mark’s had some bad luck but the problem for me is when Seb bins in in practice (his own daft fault) but then takes the pole and win (such as Turkey and almost the win in Canada) it just feels like nothing can touch him.

      I’m glad Mark seems to be getting to grips with the Pirelli tyres and I think his season is just going to get better and better hopefully but even with his bad luck before his lack of pace such as in China qualifying just couldn’t be dressed up for me.

      Thanks Kate for the info about thw chassis changes too as I never knew that.

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        kateafan said on 17th July 2011, 17:12

        Thanks Steph, that’s why I mentioned the chassis’ as I didn’t think it had been widely publicised.
        An insider on the RBR community was going to explain before the site was taken down.

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