Indian farmers threaten to “dismantle” F1 track

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In the round-up: 300 farmers protest their loss of land to make way for the Buddh International Circuit.


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NOIDA farmers vow to dismantle F1 track (DNA)

“Over 300 farmers ? whose lands were acquired for Jaypee?s Formula One race track ? held a mahapanchayat [meeting of farmers] at Kanarsi village under the banner of the Bhartiya Kisan Union, about five kilometres from the track site, on Wednesday and threatened to ‘dismantle the racing track with force if necessary’ if their demands were not met.”

‘F1 will rev up Indian motorsport’ (IOL)

Vicky Chandhok: “It will project India as a technologically driven country, since F1 is the world?s most technology-driven sport. We already have a few drivers in the international arena and F1 has huge television audiences, so you can expect a lot of youngsters to take to the sport.”

Villeneuve: Raikkonen title not deserved (Autosport)

“If Kimi won the championship, he did it by luck, because he didn’t deserve it. Felipe [Massa] deserved it a lot more. He was always more capable than Kimi and it was easy to beat him.”

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Paul Di Resta linked with move to Mercedes as Michael Schumacher replacement (Daily Record)

Anthony Hamilton: “I’d like to think that there is an interest – Paul is a Mercedes protege. I’m proud of him. He will make a great replacement for someone at a top team.”

2014 engines will still be ‘special’ – Renault Sport (ESPN)

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Channel 4 actually proposed a lot of general things. Even without any specifics, they would?ve needed a lot of money to pull it off.

Even more extended coverage than the BBC? (They mentioned no red-button hideaways). Shows that use the FOM archive? Those things don?t come cheap. And that?s without even going into Channel 4???s limited budget ?ǣ even with the ad breaks.

All this is secondary to what they?re willing to pay Bernie, that is true. But I also think Channel 4 was promising the moon here, and ended up being an unfeasible option.

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84 comments on Indian farmers threaten to “dismantle” F1 track

  1. bananarama said on 12th August 2011, 0:09

    Villeneuve reminds me why I could never stand him. As if he could judge any other driver. He is the very last to say someone doesn’t deserve a title. I should just ignore him, anger isn’t good for my heart.

    • sato113 (@sato113) said on 12th August 2011, 2:30

      yeah, Raikkonen was simply better in 2007 than Massa was.

      • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 12th August 2011, 6:57

        He was also better over his entire career. Villeneuve won 11 races out of 163, Räikkönen won 18 out of 155. Massa’s so far won 11 out of 144. Massa’s podium percentage is 22.92% (and dropping with every race in which he fails to podium). Kimi’s podium percentage is 40%. He podiumed 62 times which ties him with Coulthard for 6th highest all time, and Coulthard took nearly 100 more races to get to that number. Villeneuve’s podium percentage is a whopping 14.11%. Yep Räikkönen’s title was gifted, and Villeneuve’s title was richly deserved. The stats must have lied. He makes Lauda seem very reasonable.

        • Mike said on 12th August 2011, 9:05

          … Course Kimi had a very competitive car… I mean, at no point was his car unlikely to be on the podium was it?

          • Fixy (@fixy) said on 12th August 2011, 10:35

            Apart from the 2001 Sauber… but his career was so short (9 years) that it’s easier to have a higher podium percentage.

          • Daniel said on 13th August 2011, 0:15

            Massa has had a competitive car since 2005, and was also in sauber.

            Kimi had 2002, 2004, 2006 McLarens and 2009 Ferrari which were terrible.

        • mfDB (@mfdb) said on 12th August 2011, 18:42

          You could also argue that Kimi missed out on a few other titles while at McLaren for various reasons that were not down to his driving. Massa missed out on 2008 by a hair, and I don’t remember JV missing out on any….

      • I don’t think that is true. Massa had a lot of bad luck that year in the pits that Kimi didn’t.

    • Lord Stig (@lord-stig) said on 12th August 2011, 4:58

      I would agree. I am not even sure why he is talking about it anymore?

    • GameR_K (@gamer_k) said on 12th August 2011, 7:28

      In 2007 title fight Massa suffered a mechanical failure in Monza which dented his championship hopes. Same happened to Raikkonen in 2008. JV should be the last one to talk about deserving drivers since he was always after the most sought after – deserving money.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 12th August 2011, 8:11

      I must say, I liked him as a driver when he entered F1, but his years at BAR showed both his driving and his off track commenting detoriate fast.

    • Kimi snatched the 2007 WDC title from the Maccas but Felipe wasn’t even a serious contender that year. The title that Felipe should have won was 2008’s, but it was abduced by a nonentity, not by Kimi. So JV is partly right (the 2008 title belongs to Felipe) but partly wrong (the 2007 title was wholly deserved by Kimi).

      • shiro said on 12th August 2011, 11:26

        Are you kidding me? Massa was ahead of Raikkonen in the standings before he had to retire at Monza.

        • RBAlonso (@rbalonso) said on 12th August 2011, 12:29

          I love Villeneuve but this is decade old sour grapes. I think he can’t get over that he wanted Hakkinen’s drive for 2002.

        • Daniel said on 13th August 2011, 0:16

          Kimi won 6 races, Massa 3. Kimi also had car failures. Massa broke his car on the curbs.

          • So, Kimi had car failures and Massa broke his car. Hmm. That seems like two ways of saying the same thing.

            Whatever you think of 2007, Massa would have been a deserving winner in 2008. In fact, if it’d been discovered Renault cheated at the time of the Grand Prix, Alonso would have been DQ’d and Massa would have had more points that Hamilton. Kimi was his team mate that year too.

          • Daniel said on 13th August 2011, 3:08

            DVC – wow, so you’re saying if someone’s hydraulics failed by normal driving is the same as someone driving straight through curbs or hitting a wall. no wonder there’s so many heated arguments on here, the people are clueless.

          • Depends if the normal driving involves driving over the curves or not doesn’t it.

            You didn’t give any examples so the whole comment is wide open to interpretation, that was my point.

            Also, watch who you’re calling clueless. That’s how things get nasty, resorting to insults.

      • Daniel said on 13th August 2011, 0:20

        Massa did not deserve the 2008 championship.

        5 spins, 2 laps down, last place at silverstone. Spins off at Aus and Sepang. Singapore pit problem still could have happened. Fuji, they penalised bourdais for Massa running into him. China Kimi had to back off to help him. Brazil kimi didn’t fight to win.

        Also lets remember, 2008 Qualifying still used fuel not low fuel. Massa always had 2-5 laps LESS fuel, now that its everyone on low fuel he is getting owned. His race pace was never good. His wins were all from pole. Most overrated on the grid for years. All it is, is Kimi haters/Alonso fanboys who can’t face it that Kimi is the fastest on the grid without even trying.

      • Daniel said on 13th August 2011, 3:09

        Massa did not deserve the 2008 championship.
        5 spins, 2 laps down, last place at silverstone. Spins off at Aus and Sepang. Singapore pit problem still could have happened. Fuji, they penalised bourdais for Massa running into him. China Kimi had to back off to help him. Brazil kimi didn’t fight to win.
        Also lets remember, 2008 Qualifying still used fuel not low fuel. Massa always had 2-5 laps LESS fuel, now that its everyone on low fuel he is getting owned. His race pace was never good. His wins were all from pole. Most overrated on the grid for years. All it is, is Kimi haters/Alonso fans who can’t face it that Kimi is the fastest on the grid without even trying.

        • By that argument Hill didn’t deserve his Championship either, nor did Hamilton. Drivers make mistakes, drivers at the top make mistakes pushing for the win. Some of the champions have made quite a lot of mistakes in their Championship year, that’s what pressure does to you. In the end, anyone who is near the top of the points table, within a win or so would be a deserving winner 99% of the time.

  2. Butler_f1 said on 12th August 2011, 0:11

    To have JB whom I have been a massive fan off for years and years driving in my home city is amazing.

    It’s not even funny how excited I am. I don’t think I’ve been this excited since I got Tracy island as a kid. Im like a child who is doped up on sugar since inbound out.

    I can die happy now.

    I can tell you now. If you are there I will be the one in a Lego JB teeshirt!

  3. Mark Hitchcock said on 12th August 2011, 0:11

    Was waiting and hoping for one of those street demonstration runs to come back to the UK…..and when it does I’m working!
    Need to get a job somewhere that doesn’t open on a bank holiday.

  4. TommyB (@tommyb89) said on 12th August 2011, 0:16

    Can you imagine the Channel 4 coverage? I could see them having two annoying T4 presenters who would be interviewing pop-stars on the grid and try to make F1 cool and ‘hip’.

    • Gold Leaf said on 12th August 2011, 0:32

      And that would be what … entirely unlike contemporary BBC coverage, where Brundle is interviewing pop-stars and other vacuous empty-skulled “celebs”, right there, on the grid, trying to make F1 cool and ‘hip’.

      How do C4, who you don’t know what they would do, get slagged off, for doing what BBC actually does right now?

      I really think you need to worry a bit more about a selfish and self-regarding BBC management that sold you out, froze out alternate free-to-air solutions, and provided covering fire for a pay-TV bid that lost you half your races.

      Any scorn going around would be better reserved for those that actually did you wrong, and maybe a bit less on hypothetical and baseless assertions of what others may or may not have done, if given the opportunity.

      • graham228221 said on 12th August 2011, 6:03

        It would have interrupted the Hollyoaks omnibus though, right in the middle of T4!

        • frood said on 12th August 2011, 9:49

          channel 4’s cricket coverage was absolutely first class (well, it was test matches actually…er, sorry), and they had the WRC for a bit which was ok (better than Dave at least).
          If they did have the F1, it wouldn’t be the end of the world. everyone carried on with ITV (which has dreadful sports coverage, except the tour de france) and suffered through it – this simply isn’t an option with Sky.

          still annoyed.

          • Which races does Sky have anyway? Does anyone know? The BBC has those races on delay right?

            So, if it’s just the races in rubbish time zones for the UK, then it won’t be all that bad. Being back in Australia now I routinely have to avoid hearing the result of a GP in the morning until I can watch the recording later that night. You guys might not even have to do that, you just get up at a normal time and watch the replay at say, 10 on the BBC.

      • George (@george) said on 12th August 2011, 14:13

        It’s quite unfair to put that accusation on Brundle, his music knowledge seems to end in around 1978.

        I dont know if they would try to make F1 ‘hip’ (at least no more than Humphrey does), they kept the tone in cricket quite reasonable I think.

  5. f199player (@f199player) said on 12th August 2011, 0:30

    I could see them having two annoying T4 presenters who would be interviewing pop-stars on the grid and try to make F1 cool and ‘hip’.

    but F1 is cool and ‘hip’

  6. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 12th August 2011, 0:34

    We shouldn’t really pay much attention to Villeneuve, he got replaced by a rookie ;)


    Didn’t deserve the championship? He won 6 races that season, 2 more than Hamilton and Alonso, and twice the amount of his teammate. Not to mention 2 reliability issues during races whereas the McLaren’s reliability was bulletproof. He had a near-perfect first season with Ferrari, only failing to win at Monza, where he finished 3rd behind the two McLarens. I feel his comments are unjustified there.

    Don’t get me wrong, I do feel Massa deserved the title in 2008 just as much as Hamilton (coming from a Hamilton fan). And for him to say Kimi was easily beaten is also unjustified, 2007: 10-4 to Raikkonen (in races both drivers finished), 2008: 8-3 Massa, 2009: 3-2 Massa (before his accident). Looking at Kimi’s performances in his career before then also justify my point. Winning from 17th in Suzuka (where overtaking isn’t easy) and taking the fight to Alonso in a car which was almost dangerously unreliable.

    After Raikkonen won the title in 2007, he just seemed to drift off slightly, but came back strong in 2009. I feel both drivers are on par with each other, possibly with Raikkonen edging Massa in terms of being a complete driver.

    • snowman said on 12th August 2011, 8:30

      well summed up. I would say the more likely reason for Villeneuve saying those things is he’s mates with Massa and not with Raikkonen or maybe just like most of the rest of us feels sorry for Massa.

    • shiro said on 12th August 2011, 11:30

      Raikkonen had the best car in 2007, he never lived up the all the hype he was getting. He made it hard for himself by letting the McLarens and Massa finish ahead of him alot in the first half. Let’s not forget that he did suffer from tyre temp problems which would also stop him from winning in 2008. He was lucky that he was up against a rookie and a self-destructing Alonso. Massa also had more bad luck than he did that year, before Monza he was behind Massa in points, after Monza he was ahead only thanks to a retirement for Felipe.

    • TimG (@timg) said on 12th August 2011, 20:50

      More to the point, Villeneuve’s one and only WDC in 1997 owed just a little to good fortune.

      Williams were far superior to Ferrari that year, but Villeneuve still went into the final round a point behind Schumacher.

  7. austin said on 12th August 2011, 0:35

    those Indians should enjoy the track, it will bring more tourist and thus more revenue and bring jobs to the locals..

    • Snow Donkey said on 12th August 2011, 2:12

      The article is quite brief, but by the face of it I’d say they aren’t against the gp per se. I think they are doing what they can to be fairly compensated, not to mention assured a viable future, now that their land and source of revenue and sustenance, has been taken from them.

      They’re not saying no gp. They’re saying no gp unless you deliver what you’ve allegedly promised. Fair enough to ask for education to do something new if you’re a farmer who has his farm taken for the “greater good”.

      All that said, there are 300 of them, and with India’s desire to be seen as modern and civilized, I hope there will be a positive, sensible solution to this.

    • ChrisP said on 12th August 2011, 11:12

      Yes – those farmers really should see their land getting taken over against their will, getting little compensation and then seeing all the jobs and investment going to others hugher up the food chain and be happy with it shouldn’t they?

    • Well the government bought their land, and they took the money, and this would have been 2 or more years ago. So for them to turn round now and say it wasn’t a fair deal… I’m sorry, but more fool you. You took the money, you don’t have a leg to stand on.

      • PT (@pt) said on 12th August 2011, 17:21

        Don’t know about the particular site of the track, but Noida was the scene of serious farmer revolts and uprisings. It isn’t as straightforward as selling and getting the money ajokay, in north India “development” only helps the rich. As Snow Donkey pointed out it isn’t just land, but their sustenance.

        Often peasants don’t get paid the right amount or compensation. The land isn’t purchased all the time, it is more or less “acquired” for so called developmental activities. The peasants have to be satisfied with crumbs under the table. They can’t let that happen, and so they revolt.

        Don’t know if the Jaypee track and sports complex is part of this mess, but it is around the same area. Think the farmers are only seeking to get some attention.

    • force f1 said on 12th August 2011, 19:38

      the truth is that their are state elections in the state of UP next year, where the race is all political parties are trying to create and then HYPE issues that really shouldn’t be allotment issue is 1 of them and has jeopardized 1000’s of crores of investment in the region of noida..both the state and the farmers are at fault, state changing master plans and jacking up land prices after acquiring land and farmers agitating after they have received compensation..but as they say the show must go on and the authority will make sure that the issue is resolved :)

  8. Hamish said on 12th August 2011, 0:55

    Found some amazing F1 docos last night – great footage:

  9. MGriffin90 (@mgriffin90) said on 12th August 2011, 1:14

    I always used to joke that if Channel 4 broadcasted F1, Davina McCall would be there shouting “You are live on the grid, please don’t swear!”

    If they had got it, that could’ve happened. *shudders*

    • James said on 12th August 2011, 8:25

      In all probability she might have had a role. She used to cover F1 to some degree with MTV in the 90s

    • It wouldn’t be Davina’s first involvement in F1. Back in 94 she was working for MTV Europe when they sponsored Simtek and she presented the programmes/features they broadcast that was part of the sponsorship deal

  10. Hey guys,

    Villeneuve may have a point, but he should shut up because he’s a hypocrite. As if he wasn’t lucky in his 1997 Williams. The most dominant car, and only manages to win it at the last race. I understand he’s defending Massa, but perhaps if he’s too sympathetic of him, maybe he should give him his own World Championship.

    It’s a shame Kimi never won the WDC for Mclaren, as I was a massive fan of his style. I could never grow to dislike him, despite moving to Ferrari, after growing up through his Macca days.

  11. manatcna said on 12th August 2011, 1:34

    JV is a bit like Irvine, they can’t help talking rubbish

  12. Dane. said on 12th August 2011, 1:36

    Maybe the Indian farmers can change some of the track, so it doesnt look the same as Kyalami

  13. infy (@infy) said on 12th August 2011, 1:57

    Di Resta? Seriously? Thats really sad.

    • snowman said on 12th August 2011, 8:39

      The article is based on Schumacher saying stuff to an Italian magazine which his manager denies he said. The Italian magazine has since taken the article offline.

      But now we have a pile of British sites quoting Schumacher saying things he never said. Then saying Di Resta is in line for the seat because of his Mercedes connections.

  14. JohnBt said on 12th August 2011, 2:20

    Raikkonen is much better than Jack anytime. Jack talks too much and how long was his career in F1, very short lived. Kimi missed at least two more WDC if not for McLaren’s fragile car. ICEMAN!

    India – Protest, bargaining and swirling of words will not halt. Strange, track is completed then the protest begins. Who should we trust, Bernie or the Indians?
    They had better make sure security is top priority, not a good feeling at all.

  15. Rahim.RG said on 12th August 2011, 2:58

    Oh Villenueve….don’t u have any other work….
    You can say Kimi didn’t deserve as much as massa in 2008…but 2007 was nobody but kimi Raikkonen…
    and what about previous years where he lost out to alonso because of reliability problem…u cannot say Alonso didn’t deserve the title because he was lucky kimi had reliability problems…everybody deserves their title…cause even if they were fortunate….fortune always favours the brave…

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