Penalty for Maldonado, Hamilton gets reprimand

2011 Belgian Grand Prix

Pastor Maldonado, Williams, Spa-Francorchamps, 2011

Pastor Maldonado, Williams, Spa-Francorchamps, 2011

Pastor Maldonado has been given a five-place grid penalty for hitting Lewis Hamilton’s car during qualifying.

The stewards handed Hamilton a reprimand for his involvement in the incident.

Both drivers were found responsible for ‘causing a collision’ with the other driver and were penalised under article 16.1 of the sporting regulations.

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409 comments on Penalty for Maldonado, Hamilton gets reprimand

  1. Reymo1991 (@reymo1991) said on 27th August 2011, 17:09

    The 3 reprimand rule was only inforced at the british GP, the document also said that they would start counting the reprimands toward the grid pen from the british GP onwards ,so hamilton only has 1 out of 3

  2. David B (@david-b) said on 27th August 2011, 17:11

    It’s thirty years I watch Gps. I never saw before a driver waiting for another one, let him pass and then drive into him, on the straight (I’d say 140 kph…).
    To me Maldonado should have been disqualified for a couple of races.
    Hamilton did nothing. Just passed a driver that was much slower than him.

    • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:13

      Hamilton swerved at Pastor twice, after going through La Source…
      How on earth can you miss this, are you completely blind?

      • James_mc (@james_mc) said on 27th August 2011, 17:15

        Blind to your imagination I presume…

        • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:17

          Watch the video’s… it’s clear cut!
          Why do you think Hamilton got the reprimand, if he was supposedly innocent in all this?

          • Yes it is clear cut, i.e 100% Paster, watch it from behind, Paster gets along side and drives toward the barrier, in fact when the cushion of Hamilton’s car is not there he actually drives onto the grass and nearly hits the barrier because of the direction he is taking.

            Hamilton is just taking the correct line (moving away from the barrier, if he doesn’t he will hit it), its Pasters line toward the barrier that makes in look a bit like Hamilton moves towards Paster from the front angle, but you can’t see the impending barrier from that angle.

            There is a bit of fish tail out of the corner on Hamilton’s car, as you would expect in the conditions but its nothing to do with the accident.

            Suggest you watch it again. :-)

          • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:39

            There is no fish tail… Hamilton made the first swerving manouevre, that’s clearly evident in the video for me and quite clear to the stewards as well.

          • Well the don’t agree with you.

          • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:47

            Who’s the?
            I presume you mean ‘they’?
            In fact, they do agree with me, hence why Hamilton was reprimanded!

          • Pitlane Paul said on 27th August 2011, 18:41

            Probably for bumping wheels at the Bus Stop

      • David B (@david-b) said on 27th August 2011, 17:19

        I saw it again and I was wrong. Anyway it’s Pastor driving on Lewis on purpose. Lewis didn’t appear to be willing to cause any incident, in my point of view.

      • Ragerod said on 27th August 2011, 17:52

        Ever been on the motorway only to see the car in front decide to change lanes only to notice at the last minute there’s already someone there and twitch back into their lane?

        That’s what Hamilton did. He turned towards Maldonado, spotted him, and twitched away. As for the second “swerve” one has to turn right when the track curves to the right and Hamilton could hardly of been expecting Maldonado to squeeze him.

  3. FishFace said on 27th August 2011, 17:11

    harsh on lewis and lenient on maldonardo – he should have been banned from the race. its a question of safety and sporting conduct. this was not a racing incident so the normal penalties are by definition too lenient. lewis legitimately took the inside of the corner in the session and after la source moved well over once he realised maldonardo was coming past.

  4. Hamilton should have received a grid penalty as well. This does not look like a fair punishment. He swerved to his right twice.

    • Maldonado, got along side slowed to keep the same speed and then drove into Hamilton.

      Hamilton did not swerve twice at all, that is just wishful thinking on your behalf, he move away from the barrier that moves out from the left there yes but that is it.

      Maldonado should of been banned for a race. With a further suspended ban for the rest of the season.

    • remengo said on 27th August 2011, 17:54

      Exactly like that, if not for this, for being ANY time a protagonist in racing (and not) accidents…

  5. David A said on 27th August 2011, 17:13

    Schumacher got a 10 place penalty for almost causing a collision last year. At least Pastor should have been thrown to the back of the grid (24th).

  6. I think they should both have been sent to the back of the grid.

  7. Daffron said on 27th August 2011, 17:15

    Seems lenient when you look at the punishments for other things.

    Retaliation and deliberately causing an collision after a session has ended is not as bad as replacing a faulty gearbox according to the rule makers!

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 27th August 2011, 17:21

      I do have the feeling that if someone else than Lewis would have been hit, Pastor would have been penalised harsher, and the reprimand would have been left away, there is an aspect of subjectivity here also in the stewards (Mansell).

      But I also mean, since Hamilton has had his share of accidents, maybe they tend to have a dimmer view of him being involved in something, even if he can’t really be blamed for it, which is fair enough. Was there really not more he could have done to avoid it? Hitting the breaks was an option. Then again, they didn’t hold that against Maldonado in Monaco, even if they could have.

      • this. I posted a few weeks ago saying that even if Hamilton isn’t to blame in an incident, when he is involved, other drivers appear to get off very lightly. This is again a clear example of that.

  8. David B (@david-b) said on 27th August 2011, 17:17

    I watched it again and it’s not Maldonado waiting for Hamilton…
    Bit it’s him overtaking and the driving into him. I stay on my point. Two gp’s penalty for naughty Pastor.

    • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:21

      So in which case, you’re saying…
      Hamilton waited for Pastor after going round La Source, before swerving at him once, followed by Pastor and Hamilton swerving at each other at the same time, causing the collision.
      In effect, Hamilton initiated the incident, by waiting for Pastor, followed by taking the first swipe at him.

      • “Hamilton waited for Pastor after going round La Source”

        Wrong again, the session was over, both drivers where on in-laps, drivers always slow down on their in-laps, Maldonado didnt need to be anywhere near Lewis’ car, he had most of the track available to his right.

        Again, try as you might, blaming Hamilton for the collision is abismal.

        • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:41

          Yes the session was over and both were on in laps… but what has that got to do with Hamilton slowing down to meet with Pastor on the same piece of tarmac, after la source? Again, that is clearly evident in the video feed.

          Yes your right, Pastor didnt need to be anywhere near Hamilton’s car.

          • or…hamilton slowed normally, Maldonado sped up to meet Hamilton? impossible to tell

  9. DaveW said on 27th August 2011, 17:19

    The analysis was likely: both were at fault but Maldonado started it.

    Nonetheless, Hamilton dodged a bullet here. Maldonado had no business trying to buzz Hamilton on the cool down lap. But Hamilton should have just let him go instead of answering him with a swerve. I know the video and Keith’s take was that Maldonado cut him off but Hamilton could easily see what was on when Maldonado came up behind and he should know that was not going to end well if he did anything but just give way. As for the actual qualifying lap, I don’t think Maldonado has a legitimate beef. He was baulked by Barrichelo, but Hamilton passed him fair and square. They touched wheels but they gave each other as room as you can in that corner.

    • No, Hamilton started it when he swerved, then Maldonado swerved.

      • Paster gets along side and drives toward the barrier, in fact when the cushion of Hamilton’s car is not there he actually drives onto the grass and nearly hits the barrier because of the direction he is taking.
        Hamilton is just taking the correct line (moving away from the barrier, if he doesn’t he will hit it), its Pasters line toward the barrier that makes in look a bit like Hamilton moves towards Paster from the front angle, but you can’t see the impending barrier from that angle.
        There is a bit of fish tail out of the corner on Hamilton’s car, as you would expect in the conditions but its nothing to do with the accident.

      • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:42

        Finally, someone on here that talks sense!

    • I think Maldonado will probably believe that Hamilton has lots of space, and it apparently wasn’t enough, so he barged him out of the way. Maldonado’s quali would have already been compromised by traffic anyway, so he may as well have let Hamilton through in my mind.

  10. Valentino said on 27th August 2011, 17:22

    Can anyone explain me what are reprimands for if you don’t get any kind of sanction?
    I am not saying that Hamilton did something outrageous today, but it seems that he is the only one causing polemics. Any thoughts?

  11. James_mc (@james_mc) said on 27th August 2011, 17:23

    Lets see:

    - Monaco, stewards deem Hamilton at fault, cue agreement with stewards.

    - Spa, stewards deem Maldonado at fault, cue ignorance of stewards’ decision.

    Doesn’t take a genius to see that a significant portion of posters today, while not having favourites, certainly know who they don’t like…

  12. TheD4N1EL (@thed4n1el) said on 27th August 2011, 17:25

    So Michael Schumacher gets a 10 place grid drop last year for aggressive defence but not causing an actual accident in Hungary but Maldonado gets a 5 place grid drop for creating an actual accident on purpose.

    Maldonado needs a 10 place drop atleast but i still reckon he shouldnt be allowed to race tomorrow.

  13. P5ycH0 said on 27th August 2011, 17:35

    Don’t you guys know? Hamilton caused the 9/11 attack AND is responsible for the Euro crisis.

  14. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 27th August 2011, 17:38

    Well this is simply ludicrous from any interpretation of the situation.

    Let us say that we can’t prove Maldonado did it on purpose. What is he doing racing someone on an in-lap? Did he leave his dinner in the oven or something?

    Let us say Hamilton swerved at him after La Source. What on earth is Maldonado doing squeezing him then? For one, it puts himself in a dangerous position, creating the possibility of flying tyres. Ditto even if you claim Hamilton speared into him for a second time.

    If I were trying to take someone out of a race, I would do exactly as Maldonado: make contact with his front tyre with yours. They came exactly together at this point, maybe it’s a giant fluke but as I said, why are you racing someone that hard and close, with all the track space available to you, on an in-lap? Even if there was no malice involved it shows a clear lack of responsible driving from Maldonado.

    • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:45

      Hamilton slowed down to meet with Pastor after la source… i dont call that racing somebody on an in-lap. I see that as Hamilton wanting to give Pastor the finger probably after baulking him at the bus stop chicane.

      You’re also saying in your second paragraph, Hamilton swerved at Pastor first (which instigated the whole incident). Yes, Pastor should never have swerved at him to retaliate, but none the less, Hamilton instigated the first swerving move.

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 27th August 2011, 17:49

      Well said, after what Mansell said following Monaco, I started to have some doubts about his impartiality with respect to Hamilton, this to me confirms he doesn’t have an entirely clear mind on that.

      Even if Hamilton swerved (but that does seem quite minimal), Maldonado still was somewhere on track where he had no business being, being aggressive and even hitting a competitor, who still had to do another session (unlike MAL), and thus could be harmed. Giving him just a 5 place drop seems very minimal punishment.

      • Martin said on 27th August 2011, 17:52

        I’ve just seen the official statement from the FIA…

        It says the reprimand was given to Hamilton for causing a collision with car number 12… so in their view, Hamilton did make a lunge at Pastor as well.

        • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 27th August 2011, 21:05

          Which we already knew from the reprimand. It explains nothing of what they think he did to cause the collision.

          I know what you think happened, but the more I see it, the more I see HAM moving, seeing MAL, moving back a bit, then following the, you guessed it, racing line moving to the right. MAL drives diagonally to the edge and grass. At that point, HAM didn’t have much space to do anything at all, even breaking, as MAL was already so close (see that wheelprint on the sidepod).

          So I stil wait to hear why the Stewards think HAM did anything wrong that handed him the reprimand. And if he did cause that collision, why only a reprimand, he should have had a harsh penalty.

          Contrasting it with the MSC 10 place drop a year ago, both the reprimand and the 5 place drop are off.

    • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 27th August 2011, 18:13

      The thing that makes it worse is the fact that the FIA statement says that he was found to have caused a collision. So he gets the same mark against his name as someone that has an accident, when this was clearly deliberate…

  15. Matty55 said on 27th August 2011, 17:44

    It’s one thing being annoyed at a driver over something that happened on track but to side swipe him in retaliation is incredibly dangerous. Maldonado put his life and Hamilton’s life in danger. These are high powered machines not bumper cars! I would have loved to hear some radio communication from Maldonado after that to hear what his point of view was because surely something was said to the team or visa versa.

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