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  1. damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 11th September 2011, 14:32

    7.

    A typical 2011 race in my opinion. A fascinating and heart-stopping first half with a mediocre second half. Still a very good race.

    • Ditto. For some reason, the battles always seem to die out in the second half/last third of the race.

    • I gave it an 8 for the very tense multiple lap (how many laps was that?) and repeat battle between HAM and Schu. Button getting through and then his fight with Alonso. As well as the mighty Alonso start and the ballsy overtake by Vettel.
      And the nice catchup run towards the end by Senna and Hamilton, while we had a good fight for 7th-11th as well.

    • Agreed, apart from the tussle with Ham and Schu there wasn’t a lot going on at the front. I actually got a bit bored in the middle of the race, then it got a bit better towards the end.

      The roar from the crowd when Alonso was on the podium made up for it though, especially when they were shouting over the Austrian national dirge.

    • 9/10
      Might be more than most people gave it, but I loved it. The opening laps were amazing, with a big crash and great starts by Alonso and Schumacher. I liked watching Vettel pass Alonso, and all the laps where Hamilton was battling with Schumacher and later Button. The end was less eventful but still very nice for me, and although I’m sad both Saubers retired it was a “welcome” sight to see cars having problems, giving chances to backmarkers to get good results.

      • The only thing that I’d have liked to see and didn’t was Alonso or Massa on the top step. Kudos to Vettel though, he was untouchable.

    • TommyB (@tommyb89) said on 11th September 2011, 19:55

      Great start, average middle and ending.

      Could have done with another 3 laps to see Hamilton vs Alonso.

    • That’s thanks to DRS. Because overtakes are so easy once you are within a second of the car in front, the status quo is formed generally half way through the race, with Schumacher vs Hamilton today being the exception.

  2. tattsbrah (@xbarrettmatex) said on 11th September 2011, 14:32

    7/10, to be honest the race was quite boring as it settled in, and I frequently found myself switching between the race and New York’s 9/11 memorial service. Very touching.

  3. Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 11th September 2011, 14:33

    + Drama at the start.
    + Amazing battle between Lewis and Michael.
    + Battle between Jenson and Alonso.
    + Battles throughout the field.
    + DRS working well – not too easy, not too hard.
    — Not a real battle for the lead.
    + Almost a fight for the final podium position.
    – Not the most eventful race this season, especially in the final third of the race.

    7/10

  4. Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 11th September 2011, 14:34

    Like Belgium it tamed a bit towards the end, but still an entertaining race. Great drives all round, brilliant racing and DRS was kept in check. I don’t really care if Vettel wins, so long as the races are good, which this really was!

    • Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 11th September 2011, 14:34

      Oh, and I gave it an 8, forgot to mention.

      • Bleeps_and_Tweaks (@bleeps_and_tweaks) said on 11th September 2011, 14:49

        I went for 8 as well, some amazing overtakes – Vettel on Alonso!, plus the gritty battle between Hamilton and Schumacher which was only just legal. Button round the outside of Alonso was brilliant as well.
        A really enjoyable Grand Prix I think. It’s just a shame the RB7 is just so much quicker than the rest.

        • I also gave it an 8, for me it was great to see most of the top cars with different strengths and weakness’.Too bad we lost Nico and Mark so early, I think they could have provided the drama missing in the last half.

          • Agreed Hohum, the loss of so many cars in the first half (8 I think) deprived us of more drama in the second half. Would’ve liked to have seen what Petrov and Perez(on a one stopper) were capable of today.

            Liuzzi partially made up for this by calling Heikki an idiot not once but twice in his interview. Not sure what he was on about there. Seemed to clearly be Tonio’s error.

  5. Duchess (@duchess) said on 11th September 2011, 14:35

    Carnage, so much carnage o_o

  6. Webber fan said on 11th September 2011, 14:35

    Schumacher was great.

  7. Tyson Evans (@bobtehblob) said on 11th September 2011, 14:36

    7 for me. Loved seeing Schumi give it to Hamilton!

    • Look at SV on FA, gutsy and risky. LH just wanted to reset and finish the race. I hope all the haters see how ordinary it is when a driver doesn’t risk it. SV went for it knowing with his lead in the WDC it wasn’t a risk to the end result, while LH thought that he had to finish at all cost.

      • SupaSix-1 said on 11th September 2011, 17:45

        Thats what the hamilton-haters want – they dont want Lewis to use his unique and astonishing talents…after all its Lewis’ astonishing talents that made them all haters of his in the first place.

        Lewis has the biggest crosshairs on his back.
        All the other drivers as well as the stewards AND media are much more tougher with Lewis then any other driver. For the driver..to keep Lewis from overtaking them is a big trophy for them to win….its all bragging rights.
        Thats why Michael was extra hard with Lewis but literally pulled aside to let button through.
        If you see that move on the replays and then compare the same defence on hamilton in that corner..you will see that michael with button moved to the inside to defend but then didnt chop back onto the racingline to cover the corner like he kept doing with Lewis – whereas against Lewis…we all clearly saw michael kept chopping back onto the racingline before the corner.

        Feel bad for Lewis…he does get treated unfairly and how much of a handicap he carries. It also so clear how much the media prefer button to the point where they exaggerate & twist stories on Hamilton to make him look negative in order to elevate button and make jenson look more positive. What they all conveniently dont say is that button is competing with a Lewis Hamilton who is currently well off the ball.

        Button would only be the better driver IF he consistantly beats Lewis when Lewis is on-form…or at least when Lewis is not having a bad form. Beating a driver when you are driving to your best ever and when the other driver is ‘off-form’ is nothing to get exicted about.

        Also the beeb’s efforts all weekend to stabelise button’s contract with whitmarsh was plain uncomfortable viewing….the bias of the beeb towards jenson and diresta is so hard to stomach….and very nausiating. Its fine having preferences but what I dont like is how the media try to play one driver off against another compartiot and try turning it all into a ridiculous pantomine.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 11th September 2011, 18:03

          Every single word of that is complete fantasy. It’s all in your head. Just seeing what you choose to see.

          • Anthony said on 11th September 2011, 18:23

            Keith, certainly the part of “schu moving to the left” with hamilton is not in his head… look at the defense against hamilton vs the defense against button… I saw the difference too with massa at spa, when button was about to pass him he just moved aside, when hamilton tried to pass massa he almost crashed into him.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 11th September 2011, 19:07

            Button caught Hamilton right at the end of a stint. Schumacher’s tyres were going off, and Button had saved his KERS to attack him with. Button got further ahead as they came into the braking zone and made the pass.

          • David BR said on 11th September 2011, 19:54

            I agree the ‘Hamilton as victim’ angle does nobody any favours. But Schumacher certainly seems to block Hamilton a bit more vehemently. But so what? I’ve always presumed that’s because he really really wants Vettel to become the new F1 supreme talent, not Hamilton. Up to Hamilton (and McLaren) to offer the challenge, not Schumacher to park the car for Lewis to get past – though he eventually did do that after Hamilton’s radio complaints. And calling the FIA stewards to get past MS wasn’t his best moment by any shot.

          • @David BR

            Hamilton merely pointed out his displeasure at the rule breaking. Bearing in mind the number of times he has been punished this season (and in particular under the same rule) I am not surprised he was a little annoyed. I think like every F1 fan I just want to see consistency, either every driver is punished for this or every driver is let off with it, in my mind the only grey area is when it is not entirely clear that two moves were made and in this case it was obvious that there were. But then I would also like to see other rules like cars not able to leave the track enforced too. What is the point in having lines denoting the edge of the track if drivers are allowed to use the track outside of them as a racing line?

          • David BR said on 11th September 2011, 22:23

            @ Lee

            Well it’s a classic two wrongs don’t make a right. I think a lot of Hamilton’s steward calls and penalties are over-zealous, including Monaco this year, his own weaving to break Petrov’s tow (rather than block) last year, etc. But I really didn’t see much wrong with Shcumacher’s defending, and I was lookng. Even Hamilton seemed to accept that after the race. But the radio warning to MS via Brawn did seem to have a sudden effect of Schumacher giving so much room he got past. Hamilton had a poor race, getting stuck behind Schumacher came from two lapses of concentration. Just not good enough at this level.

          • @David BR

            I agree, I did not see much wrong (in the context of racing) with schumachers defence in that double move (although his squeezing hamilton off the track earlier was a little naughty). However the rules clearly state that you are only allowed to make one defensive move and he clearly made two, whether I think this is a poor rule or not (and I do) is irrelevant. Once a driver is punished under the rule then consistency must be maintained unless the rule is re-clarified. I just hope that the next driver that does this goes unpunished as otherwise it will be farcical.

        • Jenson is having a consistently good season. Lewis is forcing things at the moment, putting himself in positions that are not always favorable. Not being an F1 driver I obviously do not know how he rectifies the situation he is in.

          Neither have the beating of Vettel this season.

          End of.

          • If Button had had a better start he’d have had a go chance of attacking for a win. BUt he didn’t.

            Regarding his overtake on LH and MS, it had a little fortune written all over it with regard to the timing of catching the pair. MS tyres going of for sure.

            However it illustrates greatly the difference in approach to racing between MS and LH.

            Lewis is like a rabid dog with the prey in his jaws trying to shake it to death and in the process wearing out rubber and opportunity. Button’s driving style and pensive approach is more measured and controlled. That has garnered him some great results of late and Lewis a few DNFs.

  8. feel sorry for hamilton,tho good to see ol mike runnin in p3 on merit for a while.7.5/10

  9. Younger Hamii said on 11th September 2011, 14:37

    7,Alright Race but was really frustrated when Lewis was stuck behind Schumi for a Long Time.

  10. bosyber said on 11th September 2011, 14:38

    Not going to vote yet, there was a lot of great racing, but in the end the winner was not in doubt, again, shortly into the race.

    McLaren really need to get Button to start lap two in the top four, and they should tell HAM to better be aggressive, or he’ll be safe in thirdish in the WDC, never challenging for a win. And Ferrari need to give Alonso a quick car so he can do more than have a great start and hang on for a podium during the rest of the race.

    MSC great racing, I suppose it is good he didn’t get a drive-through (might have given Massa 5th though), I don’t want too much penalties, but had positions be reversed, I’m sure HAM would have gotten one. Will Ron Dennis spank him for sleeping at restart?

    Well done for taking opportunity to Alguesuari and di Resta, good race for Senna, and Buemi too (even though he was a bit wishy washy near end of race). MAL and BAR first two behind the points, Williams not really getting a break. Team Lotus do a good job, but need more speed to really do something.

    Massa pretty well done, although I don’t recall how he managed to get himself so far behnind MSC.

  11. 7 for me aswell. The first 30 laps were nice, as Michael was holding Lewis.

    The rest was very boring, but I rather have half exciting-half boring than a whole Valencia GP.

  12. bearforce1 said on 11th September 2011, 14:39

    10. Thrilling. Who says is boring to have Vettel win.

    We watched Schumacher and Lewis battle.

    Vettel is super…. took alonso.

    WOW

  13. David BR said on 11th September 2011, 14:39

    7
    But this for me was the race where Vettel started entering the ‘great F1 drivers’ pantheon. That pass on Alonso was just stunning – courageous, audacious and totally committed to getting out in front when he could just have easily played safe. Brilliant driving. He’s convinced me.

  14. gwenouille (@gwenouille) said on 11th September 2011, 14:42

    I gave it an 8.
    5 world champions on top 5, a very emotionnal podium, some nice overtakings.
    I really enjoyed it, quite simply.

  15. 7. One point lost because of DC and Brundle, and the entire BBC, for whining about Schumacher for showing Hamilton how to race. Button didn’t have a problem overtaking Schumacher, so I think we can now firmly say that Hamilton is an overrated driver and Button is his better.

    Schumacher is back.

    • +1000. Ham was attacking MSC all over the place,didnt plant out his attack. Brain triumphs over brawn.

      • David BR said on 11th September 2011, 14:59

        Depends. Pressurizing to force a mistake isn’t necessarily any less intelligent, just that Schumacher just loves that kind of pressure! Once he gets locked in to a one-on-one, it’s very difficult.

      • I think your being a bit harsh on Lewis, Button made sure he was in the right position to take advantage when near the pit stop, the opportunity came, he took it.

        By that time MSC was near the end of life of his tyres, and came in that lap. And because Jenson was in front at the pit stop window, he got to choose when to come in (knowing that MSC was clearly going to come in he came in to cover).

        That left Lewis exposed to the undercut from Schumacher, and why he came out behind after the stop.

        • F1fanNL (@) said on 11th September 2011, 16:44

          Also, Hamilton had been fighting with Schumacher from the restart. That doesn’t do wonders to your tyres. Button caught them up with a lot less tyre degredation having had clean air the entire time and could make the pass more easily.

    • bosyber said on 11th September 2011, 14:49

      Well, that is partly due to MSC putting HAM on grass, so he couldn’t do it at that point, and MSC’s tyres were close to gone, which is why he went to pits right after.

      But it is true that HAM should work on the on/off switch a bit: there has to be a setting where he takes enough risk to get past, but not crash, as BUT did there, taking change when it is there. HAM seemed really not on it much today.

      • Hamilton didn’t have to go on the grass. There was still time to back out of it.

        • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 11th September 2011, 15:10

          Seems odd that he chose to do the thing that would slow him down far more then.

        • bosyber said on 11th September 2011, 15:27

          I wasn’t in the car, so don’t know better than you; however, as Icthyes says: why did he? Fun, panic? No, he probably had a bit too little space. Not sure that’s only MSC fault, nor if it was wrong if so, but it did give BUT opportunity that HAM hadn’t had. He took it brilliantly, of course.

    • Knight001 said on 11th September 2011, 14:51

      Really? If Hamilton and Schumacher swapped round, you can guarantee Hamilton would’ve got a penalty. Remember Malaysia 2011?

      • Really? If it were Aryton Senna doing it, people would be calling him a racing god.

        Nothing wrong with Schumacher’s move, other than that it was Schumacher doing them.

        • Knight001 said on 11th September 2011, 14:58

          In modern racing, the rules say it’s illegal. Lewis got a penalty for it so surely Schumacher should as well. One set of rules for one, another for another.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 11th September 2011, 15:04

            the rules say it’s illegal

            No they don’t.

          • Patrickl said on 11th September 2011, 15:35

            Yes they do. It’s just not often enforced.

            Schumacher was penalized on that rule once before too.

          • There must be a rule he was close to breaching, though I don’t pretend to know which one it was. I thought not leaving enough room when returning to the racing line would class as an “illegal” 2nd move, but maybe not.

            If your team boss has to tell you multiple times to leave more room, that’s a clear indiciation race control weren’t entirely happy with what MSC was doing. The inference was, as far as I could tell, that had he continued a penalty might have been coming his way. MSC did seem to back right off, shortly afterwards.

          • F1fanNL (@) said on 11th September 2011, 16:56

            The thing Schumacher was almost penalized for was him moving to the inside for ascari with Hamilton pulling up next to him and Schumacher then going back to the racing line forcing Hamilton to back out.

            That’s an illegal move.

            When they went into the lesmo’s Schumacher blocked Hamilton and went back to the racing line but Hamilton wasn’t going to pass him there on the outside.

            That was a legal move.

            Racing drivers are alowed to make one move which means they can go off line and back to the race line for the perfect line. They do however need to leave room if someone is pulled up alonside them. You’re not allowed to push someone off the track when you go back to the racing line.

            Once someone is alongside you, you’re not allowed to move back and block them.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 11th September 2011, 19:51

            Yes they do. It’s just not often enforced.

            No, they really don’t. There is no rule that says Schumacher isn’t allowed to move off-line to defend his position and then move back towards the racing line.

            That’s why dozens of other drivers have done it over the years and never been punished for it.

          • Franton said on 11th September 2011, 23:40

            @Keith Yes the rules do. Rule 16.1 on Incidents:

            “Incident” means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to the race director for investigation) which :
            – necessitated the suspension of a race under Article 41 ;
            – constituted a breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code ;
            – caused a false start by one or more cars ;
            – caused a collision ;
            – forced a driver off the track ;
            – illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver
            – illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

            So Schuey did cut up Hamilton, forcing him onto the grass and did weave in front of him breaking the “one move” rule that’s been enforced previously.

            See http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/65EE8F15945D0941C12576C7005308AE/$FILE/1-2010%20SPORTING%20REGULATIONS%2023-06-2010.pdf

            That means they’re inconsistently enforcing their own code yet again. So far (11:40pm GMT) i’ve seen no penalty for Liuzzi causing an avoidable accident at the start , or for Alonso’s squeeze of Vettel onto the grass either.

            The lack of enforcement in this race is almost intolerable.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 12th September 2011, 0:04

            And none of that excludes what Schumacher did any more than dozens of comparable incidents we have seen over the years, which is why he didn’t get a penalty.

            i’ve seen no penalty for Liuzzi causing an avoidable accident at the start

            He got a five-place grid penalty for the next race, it’s in the round-up:

            http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2011/09/12/129/

        • I really cant see anything wrong with MS moves. Not this time. It is racing…

    • David BR said on 11th September 2011, 14:55

      we can now firmly say that Hamilton is an overrated driver and Button is his better

      Currently, yes. Button looked like emerging from the season as the best McLaren driver quite a few races back and it’s now proving true. Hamilton was slow off the line and drove too passively. Button just doesn’t waste time hassling lap after lap does he? Content to sit back for a few laps or a lot, but pounce just at the right moment – taking both Hamilton and Alonso when they were a bit too slow. I could understand Hamilton being cautious given his season, but with Schumacher that’s not going to get you very far, particularly when overtaking on the straights wasn’t an option.

      • Younger Hamii said on 11th September 2011, 15:09

        Discussing about that,Im fearing we might a Passive & Calmer Lewis Hamilton a lot more Often and i believe this will most certainly affect his Driving Style & Results to say the Least,Well at least for the remainder of the Season.

        As for Jenson and with much more Experience than Lewis,I believe he’s most certainly exerted himself as McLaren’s Team Leader and notably learning from Lewis’ Driving Style.Great Result from Jenson once again!!!

      • Ragerod said on 11th September 2011, 18:08

        It’s not that clear cut. Hamilton is still quicker but Button is the better racer for the time being.

        Today Button was simply opportunistic and profited from Hamilton’s hard work. Although I am surprised that after Hamilton did pass Schumacher he let him get on the inside for Roggia.

        • David BR said on 11th September 2011, 20:06

          No, Button caught up because Hamilton was stuck behind Schumacher and losing time. He got past opportunistically but no more so than Hamilton has on plenty of occasions. Hamilton was over-cautious and was definitely caught napping twice: at the restart after the SC went in – he was miles away from Alonso and Vettel, failing to exploit the chance to challenge and then letting Schumacher past – and once he’d passed Schumacher the first time, he let him back past by failing to defend. That really cost him a huge amount.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 11th September 2011, 15:01

      As I said during F1 Fanatic Live, I was baffled by what Brundle and Coulthard were saying about Schumacher.

      It has been the case for years that drivers can make one move to defend their position and then move back towards the racing line. I wrote about this a few years ago:

      Four of F1′s ‘unwritten rules’ (Video)

      Where Schumacher may have been transgressing was not making sure there was room for Hamilton where he returned to his racing line. But the stuff they were saying about “one move” did not apply here.

      • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 11th September 2011, 15:10

        Exactly. I think Brundle and DC are still bitter about Michael and seem to take every opportunity to make their point, particularly David. Furthermore, Michael’s move back to the racing line into the first Lesmo didn’t hinder Lewis in any way. I was surprised by how much they were attacking him.

        • bosyber said on 11th September 2011, 15:16

          There was definitely some of that in DC I think. Brundle was a bit more careful for that reason, I suspect.

        • bearforce1 said on 11th September 2011, 15:23

          agreed

        • Schumacher made that race exciting.As usual the Merc let him down,BUT!!once they get the equivalent to the RB,he will,without doubt, be heading for his 8th.
          PS.Coulthard for once,just try to hide your dislike for Schumi,you sound like an old record stuck in a groove.(Brundle too)

      • David BR said on 11th September 2011, 15:11

        +1 that was my understanding during the race, the second move was always returning to the racing line, Schumacher just timed that move perfectly every time

      • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 11th September 2011, 15:14

        For me the saving grace was that Hamilton had pulled back from Schumacher; there might as well have been no-one there for him to defend against.

      • bosyber said on 11th September 2011, 15:14

        Well, there has been consistent confusion with people not realising that cars can go back to the racing line. Even the stewards seem to not always be clear about that.

        I don’t think MSC should have gotten a drive-through, but before with the Heidfeld/Buemi incident it seemed to not be seen that way (am I misremembering?).

        So the issue is more the consistent inconsistency of the penalties rather than that people need to be punished more. If they set a different standard, great, but make it clear.

        Or just explain reasoning of the penalties better so we understand why the situation was different in one case over the other, as I am sure you would agree.

      • panache said on 11th September 2011, 15:28

        100% agreed Keith.

        Brundles’ comment about two moves was a heat of the moment reaction which is fair enough but on second viewing it is completely obvious that Schumacher did nothing wrong in moving back across to the racing line as he did.

        The move where Hamilton ended up on the grass on the inside was also completely justified, I couldn’t believe it when DC suggested that Schumacher had made his move to the inside “too early” in the corner…

        When we then saw the onboard footage of Hamilton behind Schumacher post-race reviewing the “two move” incident it was hilarious to hear DC stuttering, oohing and ahhing as he realized that on further viewing Schumacher had done nothing wrong.

      • that`s very cheap from DC especially after all these years where sense should prevail above grudge

      • kowalsky said on 11th September 2011, 20:06

        brundell starting to act like a movie star? He was a friend of michael’s when they were teammates at benetton, then when he was comentating, critiziced ralf schumacher for hs driving, and the friendship ended. Now i think he uses any oportunity he has to throw trash at the german.Who cares.
        For me schumacher did a good job today, but that was not enough for the bbc pundits.
        I hope he starts winning again soon so they can not hide anywhere.

      • Franton said on 11th September 2011, 23:30

        What you’re saying then means that they have a rule for this they selectively ignore then? The implications are astounding.

        Coulthard quoted direct from the rule book during the race. How can you dispute the letter of the rule?

      • maxthecat said on 11th September 2011, 23:42

        I don’t believe it’s a rule no, it’s an unwritten one and we all know Michael can’t read those.

        Personally i think it’s stupid anyway, let them race, can you imagine how many great past races would have been dull as hell with this ‘rule’, Senna won many races keeping faster cars behind him. But, it is a fact Lewis was warned by the FIA last year for weaving in front of Petrov (in china i think) He was simply trying to break his tow and not driving back onto the racing line with a car next to him, He was reprimanded for Dangerous driving.

        I’m not huge Lewis fan, i think he sometimes uses his victim tag to escape some penalties but i’m 100% sure if the rolls were reversed Lewis would have got a drive through. If that’s true or not isn’t really important, it’s that a lot of people believe it to be true and that is a problem for the FIA, like it or not.

      • Coulthard was definitely saying that, Brundle was more playing the role of asking his ‘Expert Commentator’ for his opinion. It didn’t sound to me like Brundle thought Schumacher was doing anything wrong.

    • sebsronnie (@sebsronnie) said on 11th September 2011, 16:13

      Nonsense. Schumacher gave Button all the space in the world but made it quite clear he was prepared to push Hamilton off the track if need be.

      • vho (@) said on 11th September 2011, 16:44

        Button was already ahead of Schumi before they got to the corner so of course Schumi couldn’t turn in on him. Schumi did the sensible thing to back off a little so he wouldn’t take Button out and still be able to defend his position behind Button, given that he knew he’d lost the position anyway. As I’ve watched several replays of Schumi’s and Lewis’ battle it seems to me that Schumi acted fairly. As Brundle put it, Lewis wasn’t going to be able to dummy Schumi into a pass, cos all of Schumi’s kids have grown up!… Classy commentary.. LoL.

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