Jenson Button, McLaren, Monza, 2011

Rate the race: 2011 Italian Grand Prix

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  1. Seven out of ten, phenomenal performance from Vettel, complete with gutsy pass on Alonso. The race still had that great battle between Lewis and Michael, with superb defending from Michael, and a smarter, more calculated approach from Lewis. The race did get duller after that though.

  2. Dull, dull, dull. I was feeling generous so gave it a five.

    1. Agreed, clearly the most boring race of the season. Normally there’s at least a little bit of a fight for the lead.

      4/10 from me.

      1. “Normally there‚Äôs at least a little bit of a fight for the lead.” The first three cars going side by side into the first corner, and Vettel regaining the lead with a gutsy move around the outside of Alonso with two wheels on the grass and everything. I thought that was very exciting, but it was over quite quickly i will give you that.

        1. Seems some people want more from F1 than world class, heart-stopping overtaking moves. Seems some poeple want Wacky Races every weekend.

  3. 7.0- Again fair racing no mecahnical problems in the lead fair result. About the champ the reds are to fast. Despite everything said here, since melbourne they were even faster than last season and more reliable so they deserve it but that doesnt mean that this championship is the least interesting since 2002 despite very interesting racing. About Vettels greatness talks, I cant consider Vettel as one of the greats just because i reckon that their car is much faster than the competition adn in ratio stronger than other dominant cars in the past maybe more than the 2004 Ferrari.

    1. Their car often hasn’t had a huge advantage, but through mistakes from the Mclaren drivers, they haven’t maximised the pace of the car like Vettel has and Webber hasn’t, which has been pretty close to RB since Germany.

    2. The car haven’t been that dominant. More often then not have they found themselves out there on the track with half a race still to go being the 2nd, at times even 3rd fastest car. That is not dominant, the others have just made a lot of mistakes and not capitalized on their opportunities where Vettel has got the maximum out of the car nearly every race. That is why they lead. Not because they lap every other car on the track and win by huge margins like Ferrari and Schumacher did when they were really going for it. The result is the same, but in terms of car performance they are not nearly as dominant.

  4. 8/10
    Good race. outcome probably wouldve been different if the safety car hadnt come. but most of the race was michael bein followed by Lewis and most overtakes were DRS aided. so not a lot of fun frankly. last 5 laps by lewis were nice. if only there was 1 more lap! lewis couldve passed! :(

    1. Hm, Vettel did overtake Alonso w/o DRS, didn’t he? And for the lead. I do think that should count for something, even though it was so early on that from that point onwards it was settled. Well done by Vettel to make it happen, once again getting things under control.

  5. Ok race, was annoyed for most of it by mb and dc carrying on about schumacher but when the Brit Hamilton does similar two in three races, it’s a determination to win. He runs more cars off the road and causes more incidents and accidents than any other driver, but the German is cheating, the brit is determined.

    1. There is something true in what you say.

  6. Congratulations Schumacher on your win in the Italian grand prix!!!!! Oh wait it was the other german F1 sport killing driver that won!! Boring a!! Let some one else win vettel, please for god sake!!! Boring, boring and more boring!!!! Might as well just say vetted here you go ( the f1 championship is yours) now let us see something good! Who will win the second championship challenge! My vote is we all pray to the tire gods that vettels tires are made of glass for the rest of the season!!!!!!

  7. sorry but thats it for me after 34 years im done with f1.

    drs is ruining the sport, im sick of watching easy drs passes so i just wont bother watching any more f1 untill the abomination that is drs is removed!

    1. Vettel overtook Alonso w/o DRS. Didn’t he?

      1. Yes you did :)

    2. What? DRS was almost useless here.

      1. it wasn’t though, when drs worked we saw the same sort of passes weve seen from drs all year.

        in the hamilton/schumacher fight the mercedes top speed negated the drs effect but in most other situations the drs car just breezed right by easily.

  8. In schumi`s interview with the beeb-he was asked about things coming together his performance and things boding well for the future,he never mentioned next year,however,only the next few races-does anybody know his contractual situation for next year? any clauses etc….

  9. Honestly, I think HAM was just a bit unlucky today. His only real mistake was being caught napping on the restart.

    After that, the Mercedes superior top speed ensured it was going to be very difficult to overtake. MSCs tyres were starting to go off when HAM got his opportunity to pass (confirmed on the radio), but was run on to the grass. BUT benefited from that, got past the pair of them and that was the difference today.

    I thought at the time it was a mistake by Mclaren to pit HAM as late as they did for his first stop. One lap earlier and I think he would have stayed aheaad of MSC and been in the battle for 2nd.

    BUT is doing very well for Mclaren now, but he’s only 9 points ahead of HAM, despite the latter apparently having a poor season.

    1. Button had 2 DNF that cost him about 20/25 points (on course for 4th both times i think)
      That wasn’t the case for HAM.

      1. 100% agree on that.

      2. He was well off Massa at the Nurburgring, so 6th. Otherwise you’re right.

    2. Button also owes much to Webber punting Massa and then crashing out, taking two very quick cars who had passed him at the start. He had had a poor start. But Button has a bit of luck deficit to this point, so give him his due.

      It is strange that McLaren left both of their guys behind Schumacher so long, losing about 1s per lap, without pitting. And creating a potential pile up as they crowded up behind the Mercedes. The harder tire had no trouble making it to the end in stint 3. Indeed, Hamilton was reeling in the Ferrari massively toward the end. As it was, Hamilton’s tires were so shot at the end of his first stint that he came out behind Schumacher again, which basically finished his race right there.

  10. 8. It died a bit 2/3rds of the way through but apart from that it had everything. I don’t care that Seb marched off in the lead at a track he perhaps shouldn’t have because it was such a good drive that it was fun to watch and so much was happening further down the field.

    1. When exactly did you watch Vettel’s drive post lap… 4? The instant he’s in front that’s it for his weekend and I sure as hell wouldn’t put my sponsorship on his car expecting people to actually see it on TV. I’d love to see some numbers with regards driver time on camera because I’d wager Vettel wouldn’t be in the top 5 at least.

      1. I’m sure that troubles Vettel greatly.

  11. I think these people on here moaning about another Vettel win are not real racing fans, yes we would all prefer a close battle but you cannot deny pure talent.

    Its not Vettel’s fault is it, Mclaren and Ferrari need to get their act together thats all, it was the same when Senna was dominating and did anyone moan about that?

    If you dont like it, dont watch it!

    1. Well said.

    2. Senna never had a dominant season like Seb or Schumacher. He always had stiff competition from Prost and Mansell.

      1. Even when he clearly had the best car like in 1990.

        1. I think there is some merit in Luca Di Montezemolo’s comments about in season testing. The ban means that teams, who are playing catch up, are restricted in what they can do to develop their car during the season.

          I think we would have seen Ferrari and Mclaren close the gap to RBR, if not eradicate it, had in season testing been allowed. We would have seen a much more competitive season after the opening races as a result.

          F1 is a big money sport, IMO it’s a pretty convoluted argument to suggest that the in season testing ban is to ensure that the smaller teams are not disadvantaged due to their own financial restrictions. At the end of the day those smaller teams managed to get a formula one standard car to race in F1.

          The ban just means that the pressure to develop the car and get it right first time is concentrated and limited to the few months before the start of the season. This also disadvantages the smaller teams because again they don’t have the same resources available to the big teams that would enable them to get the job done in the narrow time frame.

          I would say if in season testing was re-introduced then we would see a much more competitive championship.

          1. Are you sure in season testing would mean Ferrari and McLaren catching up and not just RB sorting out their KERS and high drag issues out much faster then they have done?
            There was in season testing when Schumacher won everything for Ferrari, and the result was the longest period of domination in F1’s history.
            Whether or not it was because of in season testing i don’t know, but at least it proves that there is no guarantee for the others catching up just because they are allowed to test.

          2. @mads

            Yes, because I think Red Bull’s strengths are in getting it right first time and having the optimum aero package to build on from the beginning. I think Newey, in particular, is the kind of designer who doesn’t like to revisit or redesign any major aspect of the car that would impair the overall aero package. We saw this with his insistence on sticking with the Renault engine at a time when the Mercedes engine was ahead. So the ban on in season testing suits the Red Bull technical team’s mentality of sticking with and building on their initial development.

            Whereas Ferrari have previously excelled with the progress and radical changes they often made during past seasons, based on the sheer amount of money they can plough into sorting their car out, hence as you rightly point out Ferrari dominance when in season testing was allowed.

            I just think in season testing would allow all of the top teams to play to their individual strengths and would push the rate of development for all teams.

          3. @Spectator so what you are saying is they should bring back in season testing to hinder RB?
            I am not sure i agree with the concept of introducing new rules to stop a singe team.

            But generally i agree that in season testing would be good, but i think it should be kept at a minimum still. So the teams are still required to be good at deciding what concepts and designs they want to test and what they actually need to test on the track instead of in the wind tunnel. So they cant just, as you say, plough through hundreds of different components week after week like Ferrari once did, also to keep the costs at a reasonable level.

          4. @mads

            In-season testing wouldn’t hinder Red Bull. It would not make their initial design any less brilliant nor their initial advantage any less commanding. In-season testing, though, would allow all teams to make stronger developments to their cars during the season, with the positive being that no team can gain such an advantage from their initial car design that no other team stands a chance of finding an answer while there’s still the possibility of catching up, like we’ve seen this year. The negative is that some teams (Ferrari) have almost unlimited testing resources (do I understand correctly that in order to get the in-season testing date added next year, Ferrari is agreeing to shoulder some of the costs for the smaller teams to attend?), and so like it or not, many of the smaller teams are practically limited to the car out of the box, even if theoretically they wouldn’t be.

            And Red Bull would be allowed (and are financially able) to improve their car just like any other team. “Hindering” Red Bull would be asking them to carry extra weight, or to start three places back on the grid, or to run a sub-standard wing because the one they showed up with is just too clever. You can’t argue that allowing testing “hinders” Red Bull, unless you feel that removing the hindrance from other teams is itself somehow a hindrance.

            Kind of an aside: probably most everyone saw the Charlie Booker BBC-4 vs F1 Guardian article a little bit back. Someone made a comment in the mess of discussion there along the lines that there was no situation in the world that sport alone had improved. You can go back and forth on that, I suppose, but it seems to me that of all sports, F1 makes the strongest argument against it, simply from the sheer amount of technical knowledge it passes on. Better cars, sure. But also stronger silverware, more durable clothing, more advanced medical equipment, lighter tennis shoes, whatever: the testing and development done in F1 provides an astounding amount of practical good to such wide and unpredictable swathes of human life. That reason alone seems enough to justify lifting the testing and developmental restrictions on the teams, even if you don’t enjoy the mobile cutthroat science fair aspect of the sport (and I very much do.)

        1. I meant the 1990 McLaren was the best car but he fought hard with Prost in the Ferrari.

    3. I think these people on here moaning about another Vettel win are not real racing fans

      I think people NOT moaning about Vettel is not racing fans. There WAS no racing.

      I agree that it is not Vettel’s fault though. He’s just doing his job, and doing it very good, but interesting to watch? Not even close.

      1. Correction: “There WAS no racing”… for the lead.

      2. Yes there was. Racing don’t necessarily means that it has to be close. They were on the same track fighting for the same goal. I think that is enough to describe it as racing.
        Anyway saying that there was no racing for the lead is not really correct is it? I will say that Vettel putting two wheels on the grass to retake the lead from Alonso was pretty exciting and very close racing.

      3. themagicofspeed (@)
        11th September 2011, 17:16

        +1. This season has been less interesting than watching a mouldy breadbun rotting.

    4. Yes , in Senna’s day people had an attitude of gratitude , and appreciated life for what it was , watching an F1 race was just a pleasurable thing , which it still is to me , but when I read some interesting comments is nice , but unfortunately most are a pack of “new age” whiners , going on about the “unfair” battle between MSC and LH (although it added great excitement to the race , I thought) , Vettel “running away with the race….” (again , he has a good car , uses it to the max , and for that is a pleasure to watch him win – isn’t that what’s supposed to be done?)

  12. If I recall correctly, Lewis was penalised for a more than one move blocking maneuver on Alonso earlier in the season – how does Schumacher’s move differ? I am really tired of the double standards in F1. According to Eddie Jordan, it is ok to show aggression on the track if you are Michael Schumacher and get away with it, because that is his way.

    1. Because Schumacher deviated from the racing line and returned towards it.

      Whereas Hamilton deviated from the racing line, returned towards it, then deviated again.

      1. Thanks Keith, that makes it clear and simple.

      2. He must have been doing something wrong if the stewards felt it necessary to prompt Ross to advise his driver.

        We all heard the message from Ross.

        It’s simply unfair that they ‘advise’. The teams know the rules, if they make a mistake, the are punished. Not ‘advised’ and given a second chance.

        1. He must have been doing something wrong if the stewards felt it necessary to prompt Ross to advise his driver.

          But Mclaren had contacted the race director / stewards to take some form of action against Schumacher. My guess is the stewards felt he was not in breach of the rules, otherwise he would have received a penalty without a warning being necessary. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, you don’t get second chances or warnings.

          However, I suspect Mclaren went on to argue that Schumacher was driving “dangerously” when he forced Hamilton onto the grass. Hence the team were told to issue Schumacher with a warning asking him to give Hamilton enough room at that chicane.

          I too am surprised at the BBC pundits’ blinkered view of this incident.

  13. 8 for me.
    A great race all round, and totally heart stopping to begin with. Vettel on the outside of Alonso through Curva Grande with two wheels on the grass. Wow.
    Hamilton vs Schumi was also a great battle and provided as much entertainment as one could ever want for the first half of the race.
    Vettel running away with it was a little boring, but at least it was unexpected to see him have one of his most dominant wins on a track that generally is very bad for RB.
    Sadly the battles died out by the end of the race and that was a bit of a shame. Hamilton hunting down Alonso was good, but it was a bit of a long shot.

  14. Great race! In the past few months, Schumacher was much better than Rosberg. He put a great defense against Lewis today, but it seems Hamilton should take some tips on overtaking from his teammate. He did in one move what the other couldn’t half the race. At least he didn’t crash this time, which is something , since both Lewis and Schumi have been crash prone this year.

    1. He is still a few tenth of a second off the pace of nico, but he tends to get his act together for races nowadays.

      It’s kind of like Lewis and Jenson. Lewis edged Jenson again this time around, but it’s safe to say Jenson is having a smoother, yielding season.

      I tended to rate Lewis higher, and part of me still does, but overall I must say all in all they are equally excellent.

      I believe McLaren and Mercedes have got the best of driver pairings in Lewis-Jenson and Nico-Michael. Force India is a close third, where Adrian, Paul and Nico (Hulkenberg) is three magnificent talent.

      1. The first phrases were meant for Q.

        1. Vettel,Webber, just rubbish of course?

  15. 8 for Schumacher and Hamilton epic struggle. Without it it would be just your average Monza.

  16. After a half-disappointing race in Budapest, a disappointment in Spa, and good pace shown in free practice, I had huge expectations for McLaren here in Monza, and once again I ended up disappointed!

    The race itself had an awful start : when I saw the HRT flying sideways towards the pack of cars, I was alarmed and sensed something awful is going to happen. The crash produced a great shock for me,which lasted for a couple of laps. It was a bit of a relief to see that no one was injured.

    Then, as I said the race was a disappointment : you could sense that McLaren had the same pace than Vettel, but thanks to a bad start, my favourite drivers couldn’t challenge Vettel for the lead : Button had dropped far behind, and Hamilton became stuck behind a car which was extremely hard to overtake, and which made Lewis put his tyres under great pressure (which made him slower than Button when he arrived to pass Schumacher).

    But the race wasn’t a bad one : the chaos at the start produced great battles in the midfield. It was fun seeing Button storming through the field, Senna getting some points, and Di Resta showing good pace. A pity Rosberg and Petrov didn’t race : they could have shown something interesting. The DRS might not been very effective for some people, but it had the effect I want it to have : being able to get cars close to each other, but leaving overtaking being a matter of skills and guts. In a way, the DRS has saved the race : without it, we wouldn’t have so much very impressive overtakings in Monza.

    I hesitated between 7 and 8, but picked 8 eventually.

  17. Gave it an 8.
    It was a great race to watch. And, pardon me for being a bit cynical, but today we saw certain Michael Schumacher showed certain Lewis Hamilton how to race really hard on the edge without being stupid. I think this is one of the reasons Lewis looked a bit lost during post-race interview, Schumacher got to him. That was a masterpiece of champion’s racecraft. But the main reason i guess was the beating that Button gave him again today – Jenson was perfect today, again. I just loved watching that. And Vettel’s pass on Alonso was one of the best moves of the year, make no mistake about that. Wonderful race, shame it wasn’t for the win which was out of everybody’s reach, except double world champion Sebastian Vettel.

    1. Not perfect for JB: what a dreadful start !

      1. @gwenouille, right-on, and poor Webber behind him having at last got of the line well.

        1. One has to wonder if it’s really bad luck all the time , and I’m thinking mainly of Webber and Massa , or if they are drivers who are just maybe trying that little too hard (pressure from excellent team mates ?) and end up in situations most races.

  18. 7……Was worth getting up at 5am…….barely.
    Once again nothing much going on at the sharp end in the second half, would have been interesting to see one more lap, adios Alonso from the podium?

    1. I know, it wasn’t the best race of the season, but i really loved it. The italian gp is always a special event for me, as an italian person and as a Vettel fan.
      The first half of the race was simply amazing, Alonso’s start, Vettel’s pass with two wheels on the grass, the battle between Schumacher and Hamilton.. I thought that my heart couldn’t take all that.
      The second half was more boring, but the last lap for me were incredible. Vettel getting closer and closer to the victory and Hamilton doing the same with Fernando Alonso, shame that there wasn’t a real battle in the end.
      Then I was almost crying with Vettel in the podium. Seeing a german showing with a little bit of pride the number 150 on his helmet was very special, too.
      I gave 9/10. You’ll probably say that it’s too much compared to other races, but i’ve never felt this way before in a formula 1 race.

      1. Ah, sorry, i didn’t want to reply to budchekov. I don’t know why this has happened, honestly.

      2. I loved the race, too — and this comment. :-)

  19. Almost every race this year has been great. Monza was no exception. Totally entertaining.

    I thought Red Bull running away with things would make this season boring, but if anything this has been almost as good as last year with 5 drivers in contention. Since 2006 Formula One has been in a golden age of fun, interesting and entertaining racing.

    1. themagicofspeed (@)
      11th September 2011, 17:36

      Right, so i take it from the first part of your comment that you’re a Red Bull/Vettel fan then…

      1. You can’t make assumptions just because people may disagree with you.

      2. I’m not a Red Bull fan and have had to give up on ranking races at all this year because they’ve almost all been so entertaining. The championship is a (foot-stomping, aggravating, infuriating) snoozer, definitely, but the individual races are brilliant.

  20. It really perplexes me that people can possibly say that Formula 1 is “rubbish” or “boring” simply because Vettel regularly wins at the moment. It might just be me, but the constant battling further back leaves me very satisfied… and even those battles may lead to collisions and Safety Car periods which would pin Vettel back (albeit artificially).

    Formula 1 is the most exciting sport in the world, whoever is winning.

    1. I agree. In 2010 the races were boring but the championship was really exciting. This year the championship is dead and buried, but the races are still very exciting. And they will keep being exciting when the championship is mathematically sealed. I know what i prefer.

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