FIA steward Daly says Schumacher should have had penalty

2011 Italian Grand Prix

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Monza, 2011

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Monza, 2011

Derek Daly says Michael Schumacher should have been given a penalty for his driving at Monza.

The former F1 racer was the drivers’ advisor to the stewards during the Italian Grand Prix.

Schumacher was criticised for his moves while racing with Lewis Hamilton.

In a statement Daly said: “On lap 20, race director Charlie Whiting asked the stewards to look at an incident between [Felipe] Massa and [Jarno] Trulli at the second chicane.

“While looking at the slow motion video of this incident, I missed the Schumacher/Hamilton incident that happened at that moment.

“When I looked at it again at home, I believe that Schumacher should have been given a drive-though penalty. He was warned repeatedly and this style of driving is not what you want the future generation of drivers to perfect.

“We as stewards probably let Charlie down with this one.”

Hamilton overtook Schumacher on lap 27, and finished fourth with the Mercedes driver fifth.

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203 comments on FIA steward Daly says Schumacher should have had penalty

  1. If Daly was preoccupied reviewing ANOTHER incident it’s Whiting who let the fans down by not asking Daly and the stewards to review Schumy’s behavior.

  2. Why all this drama, Shumacher was going by the rules, but right on the limit. A reprimend would be acceptebale, anything harsher is just plain wrong.

  3. I thought it was a bit strange when Luizzi`s crash was deemed investigate after the race at around lap 22. F1 has surely reached its goal line technolgy moment, but it doesn`t need technology, it needs a goal line?.

    Without a fully independent set of Marshalls that travel between the races studying the rule book F1 will act and appear….well..crooked. There is no consistency in there desicions.

    For a sport that spends ÂŁ1500 on a single tyre I`am sure they can afford it?

  4. Derek Daly you are so boring!

  5. Ben Needham said on 14th September 2011, 20:41

    How about, in our hugely expensive Sky package next year, we get the following flick up on the screen should the situation repeat.

    Q. Should Schumacher be penalised for making more than one move?

    Press Red for yes, press Blue for no.

    Majority wins and the Stewards take action upon that.

    Tongue in cheek of course…

  6. besides the bickering whether it was worth a penalty or not, there are more important questions that should come out of this;
    1. How on earth is it even possible that the stewards panel, whose only responsibility is to look at race incidents ‘missed’ the most important and talked about incident of the whole race. It’s baffling really.
    2. If they have footage of the MAssa-Trulli incident, why wasn’t it shown!
    3.Charlie obviously was of the opinion Schumi did somthing illegal and warned Ross Brawn. Why didn’t Hamilton first get a warning in Malaysia, why did Charlie chose not to respond when Mclaren explicitly asked him for advise when Button cut the chicane to pass Massa in Melbourne

    This stewarding business reeks.

  7. Fair Both Mickael and Lewis.Lewis himself recognize it after the race.He was just frustrated with his car’s pace even with KERS. Mickael in the other hand seems enjoing fighting with Lewis, because he has an estime of him, and I remember him the first driver to defend Lewis after Monaco mess. I Think Mickael has a high esteem of L.Hamilton.
    Secondly, the Stewards should consider the 5 place Grid penalty forV. Liuzi, it was H. Kovalainen Fault at first!!! Does he has Balls to recognize it? I don’t think so. And Liuzi is a fair, serious and pragmatic racer, and some bit nice. But he shouldn’t in this circumstances, he should go for an Appeal.

  8. HounslowBusGarage said on 14th September 2011, 21:15

    Lots of very perceptive comments here from BasCB, Snowman, F1er, TheVillainF1 and many others.
    So at the risk of sounding like a broken record, Daly’s publicised comments make the entire Steward panel and F1 stewarding in general look very amateur. So far this year, they have been imprecise, ignorant, indiscreet and indifferent.
    Not a good score sheet.
    A professional sport like F1 cannot rely on amateur Stewards, even if one of them actually raced once upon a time. In comparison to the minutiae of the technical regulations, the driving standards are as wooly as a flock of sheep.
    Who were the other Stewards at Monza?

    • HounslowBusGarage said on 14th September 2011, 21:16

      Missed out ‘inconsistent’ too!

      • HounslowBusGarage said on 14th September 2011, 21:37

        Thanks for that. So there were two Stewards, plus DD as the ‘driver adviser’. I thought it was a panel of four Stewards though; maybe it includes Charlie Whiting as well.
        The most interesting part of that FIA page was “. . . FIA trainee stewards’ program . . .”. So there is some kind of training or education program for F1 Stewards before they are accepted. It doesn’t say that the Swiss gentleman undertook the program; only that the Spanish lady did. Surely, every Steward should undergo training.

        • DeadManWoking said on 14th September 2011, 22:08

          Your welcome. As to Gutjahr, it does say that he has been an F1 Steward since 1995.

          On a side note, I was recently reading Mark Whitelock’s ‘1 1/2-litre Grand Prix Racing 1961-65′ ( Highly recommended BTW ) and came across a reference to the 1961 Yeoman Credit Team being “Run by respected former driver and Aston Martin team manager Reg Parnell from a base in Hounslow, West London”. Were you aware of this and know if the building they were located in still exists?

          • HounslowBusGarage said on 15th September 2011, 8:56

            Vaguely, but only vaguely. I remember my brother Chris telling me about this many years ago – after we’d both left Hounslow. He was ten years older than me and had certainly been around in that era. Unfortunately he’s not around any more so I can’t ask him. But as I recall, there were lots of little backstreet lock-ups and yards where a racing team could have lodged. Preobably between the yard selling ice-cream vans and the steam laundry!

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 14th September 2011, 22:09

      In the programme as always:

      Former F1 driver Derek Daly, a veteran of 49 starts, is the drivers’ advisor to the stewards this weekend.

      Daly joins Swiss auto club president Paul Gutjahr and FIA trainee steward programme graduate Silvia Bellot on the panel.

      2011 Italian Grand Prix programme

      I think Bellot is the first graduate of the FIA’s trainee programme to work as a steward in an F1 race. She has done lower-formula races including GP2, and worked as a steward at an F1 race for the first time in Turkey:

      2011 Turkish Grand Prix programme

  9. lewis didnt get punished for returning to the racing line in spa and crashing with kobyashi.

    was it beumi who did get a 10 place grid penalty earlier in season for doing same thing to nick?

    consistency is appalling it has to be said. i agree with JV that you should only penalised if you go out of your way to take someone off, or do something completely dumb.

  10. Mlracing (@mlracing) said on 14th September 2011, 21:38

    My advise: Derek Daly will never be a race steward advisor again.

    I seriously don’t understand why people complain. YEs Schumacher defended hard, but that’s how u supposed to defend your position. The Curva Grande incident where Schumacher supposedly pushed Hamilton on the crash?? Was Hamilton next to him? No. Did Schumacher make two moves NO
    Hamilton thought he saw a gap which wasn’t there plain and simple.

  11. IceBlue (@iceblue) said on 14th September 2011, 22:13

    Derek Daly, the epitome of racing experts, more mouth than racing talent. If he had a sex change and raced today, he’d be Danica Patrick who wouldn’t have a ride if she didn’t have breasts.
    What I’d like is to have everyone complaining about Schumacher’s driving to send me the video of the race you watched because the one I watched, and replayed, didn’t show him doing anything except make a block and move back to take the normal line into the next corner. That’s the whole point of the exercise, after all.
    And, as far as Vettel is concerned, when he doesn’t just flash off of the pole and win he always has to whine about whomever he has to pass.
    The results of this season might be a lot different, but certainly a lot more meaningful, if the first half of the grid were inverted after qualifying.

  12. Jenson didn’t have any problem passing Schumey. I thought Lewis was a racer through and through. It appears Schumey was teaching Hamilton how to race.

    • What a load of ****

      When MS finally yeilded to LH, he pulled over before ascari and left room, if you watch JB getting passed MS, MS basically did the same thing for Jenson.

      Maybe MS didnt realise JB had passed LH and thought he was letting LH go by into ascari. but as it turns out it was JB and everyone was raving about how it was an awesome pass, JB included. Like i said, watch BOTH passes again, they are practically identical. The difference is MS yeilded to JB far sooner than he yeilded to LH.

  13. SumoF1 said on 15th September 2011, 0:52

    I agree with you Mickael. That was a training and learning lesson for Lewis, at the same time, Mickael’s driving finally not far from Lewis style in the positive of it, when Lewis was winning races, he’s a Class, so Mickael is preparing himself for next few races and the next year, and found in Lewis the perfect man for the perfect situation to learn from himself too.

  14. JohnBt said on 15th September 2011, 1:14

    As a fan I love it when there’s some dust being kicked up during overtaking. Makes it much more exciting and creates tension between racers. I’m sure there were many incidents that went unnoticed because they’re not the front runners, think about it.

    Vettel’s pass on Alonso was more dramatic with brown dust smokin the track, awesome.

  15. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 15th September 2011, 2:32

    I don’t think there was anything wrong with it.Secondly why did FIA appointed Derek Daly for? I think they should or must have a Formula 1 former World Champion on the panel,someone like Emerson,Jackie,Hill,Mansell.

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