McLaren: Another collision, another penalty for Hamilton

2011 Singapore GP team review

Lewis Hamilton’s troubled season continued in Singapore after another collision with a rival.

Lewis Hamilton Jenson Button
Qualifying position 4 3
Qualifying time comparison (Q3) 1’44.809 (+0.005) 1’44.804
Race position 5 2
Laps 61/61 61/61
Pit stops 4 3

McLaren drivers’ lap times throughout the race (in seconds):
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61
Lewis Hamilton 124.841 117.452 116.933 115.442 115.347 115.268 114.993 115.446 116.511 118.763 126.045 139.334 124.824 139.272 125.744 130.988 114.525 113.867 114.328 115.284 115.676 114.928 116.555 115.565 114.994 113.744 114.575 114.442 138.057 160.249 125.624 122.074 127.058 116.596 119.272 116.214 114.291 113.325 113.189 111.623 111.702 111.69 112.795 113.007 113.368 113.503 114.416 124.756 133.334 112.778 112.257 112.805 112.066 110.832 112.765 112.411 111.633 112.262 113.816 113.585 115.484
Jenson Button 119.507 116.428 115.779 115.41 115.43 115.484 115.104 114.991 115.285 115.282 115.604 115.68 116.511 124.378 135.594 114.354 114.155 114.356 114.322 114.322 114.063 114.107 114.917 114.114 114.702 115.713 113.876 113.6 114.059 146.125 159.646 166.74 159.95 116.023 112.181 112.873 112.246 112.201 112.017 111.984 111.712 111.698 111.665 111.908 112.123 111.987 112.647 120.256 132.904 110.4 111.441 111.061 109.293 108.454 108.704 108.712 109.001 109.153 111.929 111.22 113.113

Lewis Hamilton

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Singapore, 2011

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Singapore, 2011

Start tyre Super soft
Pit stop 1 Super soft 30.142s
Pit stop 2 Soft 33.456s
Pit stop 3 Super soft 30.706s
Pit stop 4 Soft 29.876s

Hamilton described his qualifying session as “eventful”. He damaged part of the car’s floor in Q1 which was repaired for the next session.

He picked up a puncture in Q2 when he ran over debris from Kamui Kobayashi’s crash and didn’t have enough fuel in Q3:

“We had an issue with the refuelling process ?ǣ we couldn?t get enough fuel into the car quick enough. In the end, we just ran out of time, so I couldn?t fit in my final run.”

McLaren request that Hamilton be allowed to change his damaged tyre before the race but were denied, costing him a set of super soft tyres. In the event, that was the least of his problems.

Hamilton made a good start but cautiously backing out of a lunge down the inside of Mark Webber cost him – he slipped down to seventh and then to cap it all was passed by Michael Schumacher heading into turn seven.

On lap four Schumacher ran slightly wide at turn five, Hamilton pressed his DRS button and he was past the Mercedes much more quickly than he had been in Monza. The next time by he took the sister car of Nico Rosberg.

It took Hamilton four laps to get within range of Felipe Massa. The pair pitted together on lap 11 and Hamilton came out right behind the Ferrari.

He had a look on the outside of Memorial corner and was in the process of pulling back behind the Ferrari when he carelessly clipped Massa’s right-rear tyre with his front wing, damaging both.

Unusually, McLaren kept him out for a lap with the left-hand portion of his front wing completely destroyed. They then switched him to the soft tyres with the intention of keeping him out as long as possible.

The stewards handed Hamilton a drive-through penalty – a straightforward and non-controversial decision given that he had wrecked Massa’s race. He served it on lap 16.

When the safety car came out Hamilton had done 16 laps on his soft tyres and the team decided to switch him to super softs so he could attack in the final stint.

This he did, passing Sergio Perez, Adrian Sutil, Nico Rosberg and Paul di Resta in succession to take fifth.

He had to repeat the process having made a final stop for another set of tyres on lap 48.

Massa claimed Hamilton ignored him in the media area afterwards. The Ferrari driver was seen interrupting a television interview with Hamilton to sarcastically tell him “good job, well done”.

Hamilton does not appear to have made any comment about his latest collision at the moment, making only passing reference to it in his remarks after the race.

Lewis Hamilton 2011 form guide

Jenson Button

Jenson Button, Sebastian Vettel, Singapore, 2011

Jenson Button, Sebastian Vettel, Singapore, 2011

Start tyre Super soft
Pit stop 1 Soft 30.169s
Pit stop 2 Soft 29.921s
Pit stop 3 Super soft 30.305s

Button out-qualified Hamilton for the fourth time this year but was concerned about tyre temperatures: “We?re putting a lot of heat into the tyres ?ǣ so if we push hard in the first sector, we lose rear-end grip by the third sector.

“It?s difficult trying to find that balance, but I think we got reasonably close to it this evening.”

Button, who took medication for dehydration and a stomach complaint before the race, easily out-dragged Webber to take second place at the start – and held the place for every lap of the race.

He dropped back from Sebastian Vettel early on and although he gained some ground during the safety car period, he lost more time passing lapped cars.

Kamui Kobayashi proved particularly troublesome, earning himself a drive-through penalty after badly delaying Button

Button found more time than Vettel in his final stint on super soft tyres and cut Vettel’s lead from 12.7 seconds on lap 52 to 6.5 on lap 57.

From that point the gap between them varied wildly as they passed through large clumps of lapped cars.

Button started the final lap 6.5 seconds behind Vettel and ended it just 1.7 behind – the narrowest the margin had been all race.

He had some complaints about traffic after the race, but stopped short of saying it cost him a potential win: “If you look at the time at the end of the race, I was 1.7s behind Sebastian. I lost more than that behind Kobayashi but I?m sure Seb would have been driving at a different pace if he knew I was four seconds closer.

“The traffic that we had today is disappointing, I would say and it?s something that we need to concentrate on for the next race because I spent over a lap behind Kobayashi.

“There was no reason for him not to let me past, he had a clear circuit in front and I was lapping him, so very, very frustrating and something that we need to resolve for the future.”

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145 comments on McLaren: Another collision, another penalty for Hamilton

  1. judo chop (@judo-chop) said on 26th September 2011, 22:55

    “The Ferrari driver was seen interrupting a television interview with Hamilton to sarcastically tell him “good job, well done”

    Why don’t you call it like it happened? He was seen roughly grabbing Hamilton. I doubt if Hamilton did the same thing it would be deemed simply as “interrupting”. It’s pity that, when he’s not on the anti-Hamilton bandwagon, that he’s not got the same guts to stand up to his team mate and team boss. Lucky he didn’t get a punch in the gob.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 26th September 2011, 23:29

      As I think I’ve said once already this weekend, I’m not getting into a he-said-she-said on the Hamilton-Massa thing because I don’t want to be a teacher in a primary school playground.

      • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 27th September 2011, 10:43

        Well, I couldn’t hear what was said exactly either, but I it did certainly not look like a tap on the shoulder but rather like a push by Massa, before he ran off to not have a discussion. Sad really.

    • redlight said on 27th September 2011, 0:31

      He ROUGHLY GRABBED him!?! OMG!!! What a total non-story. Handbags at dawn. Not even.

  2. tharris19 (@tharris19) said on 27th September 2011, 0:52

    Lewis will drive the way he wants to regardless of criticism from fans, pundits or other drivers. He will attack every chance he gets, knowing that he could win or lose miserably. He will continue to drive on the edge because that’s who he is. It not a pretense, it is his personality; brilliant but flawed.
    Personally, as much as I would like for him to win and be on the podium more, I would not want him to change his driving style to emulate Jenson or anyone else in formula one.
    People who are risk takers or who identify with them understand the likes of Hamilton and would be crushed to see him give up his identity in the car. People who are pragmatic or who tend not take risk have a difficult time with drivers like Lewis.
    Personally, I can’t remember but one exciting race (Canada this year) where he was not in the midst of the fight for a close win or lose ( think spa in 2008 and 2010, Turkey 2010,Singapore 2009, and the fair fight with Schumi at Monza) to name a few.
    Let’s face it, the man can flat out drive a car and his only peer at this time is Alonso.

    • I agree, Hamiton should keep his agressive style, keep taking risks at every corner, make great overtakings, crash into others, take penalties, win headlines but not WDCs.

      • When you have the fastest car and starts (almost) always in pole position you don’t need to overtake or take risks. It’s a much more comfortable situation.

    • Agreed, this season with the immense superiority of the Red Bulls the only (if minimal) option to win was to risk a lot as Lewis did. Alonso, Button and Webber will probably be over him but won’t win the WDC either.

      • You’re right but there’s a certain limit in every thing. I think Alonso, Button, Webber a pushing a lot and take risks too but they seem to know the limit which cannot be said of Hamilton. The fact that he doesn’t have the fastest car at the moment and can’t really fight for victory doesn’t mean that he should push the gas pedal to the floor and crash into everything. Unfortunately Lewis can’t distinguish the line between “going for the gap” and “no brainer” driving.

        • tharris19 (@tharris19) said on 27th September 2011, 18:41

          Only a driver knows his own limits because he establish and test them. If he is good, he will push beyond them at the chance that he might succeed ( Alonso around Schumacher at 130r in 2006, Webber around Alonso in at Eau Rouge this year, and Hamilton re-passing Button at turn one in Turkey last year). If any of those overtakes fail is it “no brainer” driving or simply a pass that did not work?
          We have not seen Button take such risk so we can’t put him in the same category of driver. However, he is as competitive as all of them but does not approach racing the same way.
          Vettel, driving a car that is a clear half second faster than his nearest rival, can’t be judge with any of the aforementioned drivers. Driving from the front in clean air with a far superior car does not tell a story about a driver’s true skills.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 27th September 2011, 21:23

            Vettel, driving a car that is a clear half second faster than his nearest rival, can’t be judge with any of the aforementioned drivers.

            Her mentioned Webber, and if you’re right about that figure, plucked from thin air, then Webber’s skills are not up to much.

  3. The amazing thing about this race, vis a vis Hamilton is that, despite dropping to 20th due to the combination of wreck and and penalty, the only person who finished ahead of him but didn’t start there is Alonso, who had passed him at the start along with a throng of others. I’m surprised there is not the Valencia-vintage howling that the penalty was sufficiently severe in the circumstance and that he effectively “got away with it.”

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 27th September 2011, 10:45

      On the other hand, had HAM been a bit more patient with passing Massa, the pace he showed seems to indicate it lost not just Massa a good result, but also lost Hamilton a good shot at third or even second place in the race. Something to remember next time for him, I’d hope – this wasn’t being stuck behind Schumacher for most of Monza, a few laps would have lost him time, but not that much!

  4. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 27th September 2011, 3:47

    The more mistakes Hamilton do on track the more a good driver Button is becoming!

    • Wooolfy said on 27th September 2011, 4:34

      The more mistakes Hamilton do on track the more a good driver Button is becoming!

      You meant that due to Lewis’ mistakes Button seems better. I like both mcLaren drivers as individuals and as a team, and I wish others recognise this. Lewis is faster but Button is safer, a great combination for McLaren to win the Constructors.

      • I completely agree, they are two completely different drivers.

        What I think Lewis needs to do is end this season on a high note, get the media off his back so can solely focus on his driving for 2012.

        With little rule changes moving into the 2012 season, I think there will be some more close driving without red bull dominating they way they have this year.

        • I think I didn’t put the words right,what I wanted to mean is Hamilton making mistakes will just help Button score more points & good results.See the mistakes Lewis made in Hungary,Belgium & Singapore now think who scored the most points among all this behind Vettel?

  5. The major topic over penalties nowadays is whether stewards are being consistent or not but they way they hand out reprimands and penalties you would think that drivers consistently sought a way to take out other drivers on purpose. Why can an incident not just be that, a racing incident. Hamilton never planned to carelessly drive his front wing to Massa rear wheel and I’m positive Schumacher didn’t plan to put himself out the race.

    These incidents will happen, it’s called racing and in Formula one overtaking and defending is like a game of chess restricted to a very small time frame. These people are not robots and majority of the time these decisions are made in a fraction of a second.

    For me, I would be happy if they scrapped in race penalties as it just now feels that they hand them out to just make headlines and race more interesting when it now feels ridiculous that they hand out so many.

    • Floatyboat (@floatyboat) said on 27th September 2011, 14:59


      This is the elephant in the room.

      I agree with Hamilton’s penalty only in light of all the other penalties (like Alonso’s in Malaysia) that demand it’s handed out for some semblance of consistency (no question, the instant I saw it, that car 3 would get a penalty for that, especially given that his victim’s car was bright red). But, of course, Alonso’s penalty in Malaysia was a joke and so are a lot of others, including Schumacher’s in Singapore.

      The nature of F1 is that competition takes place on a knife edge, by design. You put cars and drivers under stress in close proximity in a sauna and it’s called racing, like you say. If someone – like Alonso in Sepang or Lewis this weekend – misjudges slightly and breaks his front wing, then he has already suffered a whopping time loss to lap slowly and replace the wing. He’s his own worst enemy and that should be enough. It’s really immaterial whether someone else suffered too because the job of race stewards is not to micro-manage every race outcome and make sure that nobody ever suffers at the hands of another. Race stewards have tried to take the role of the fairness police in an unfair world. If there was a serious suggestion that any of these drivers made contact on purpose or cynically, then they can rule on that, but it’s clear in all 3 cases that they didn’t and it was just the way things unfold sometimes when you compete.

      In Fuji in 2008, Hamilton got a penalty for braking slightly too late in the first corner and running wide. This is the definition of a self-policing error – he lost time and lost several positions because that’s what happens when you come in too hot and make a mistake. One or both Ferraris was also pushed wide but that was primarily because Kovalainen did the same thing, and it shouldn’t even matter in any case – it’s racing and someone typically overcooks it at turn 1 in every race. You have a mentality now where race stewards think they have to penalize every error, for its own sake, as if errors are not an integral part of the deal, and as if they can be eradicated without destroying the competition altogether. They should penalize cheating, gaining an unfair advantage or actions that really put the safety of others at risk (like Schumacher in Hungary). There’s no need to penalize someone who just misjudges something slightly in the heat of competition and pays a price for it.

      Last year in Singapore, Webber misjudged an attempt at a re-pass on Hamilton and drop-kicked Lewis from the race, one of several such moments from Webber during 2010. He didn’t get a penalty (even though he continued undamaged) and that is fine with me, because it wasn’t malicious and it’s just the way things go sometimes. On a different day (like Montreal this year), it’s the other way around and Webber comes off worse. There really is no need to get stewards involved and what you have now is a cycle where every decision depends on how over-zealous the stewards were in a previous decision.

      Aussie V8 Supercars and NASCAR have fewer penalties than this and they’re driving big lumps of steel which don’t even suffer if you ram the guy in front of you. F1 cars have front wings that break if you breathe on them, and suspension that only works under specific designed loads, so there’s already sufficient incentive for drivers to avoid crashing into each other. We legislate things like DRS, KERS and tyres which fall off a cliff after a dozen laps, in order to create big speed disparities between cars, passing, re-passing, and close racing. And then we punish anyone who attempts a pass that doesn’t work 100%. In Monaco, Lewis put a pass on Schumacher at Ste Devote that was widely applauded, and an almost carbon copy of the same move on Maldonado that resulted in contact, owing to geometrical differences you’d need a sextant to measure – probably just down to the response of the defender in all honesty. The first move went unchallenged and was the legendary stuff that F1 is made of (and the reason we still go to Monaco), and the second got a penalty – living proof of the fact that the difference between a great move and an action worthy of a penalty is now razor thin in the eyes of race stewards.

      BTW, I have no idea how I came to be called Floatyboat. That was never my login but my original name doesn’t work and that’s what I get if I ping the site for my login credentials.

      • tharris19 (@tharris19) said on 27th September 2011, 20:54

        I agree with your assessment of this over regulation of a race. All the talk about Schumacher racing style at Monza was another example of pundits and stewards getting too involved in a race. Hamilton knew what he was up against trying to get around Schumi and we were afforded a rare opportunity to watch two masters at work.
        I am a Hamilton fan, but I am glad Daly did not get to see what was going on a penalty would have ruin the most entertaining part of the race.

        • Floatyboat (@floatyboat) said on 27th September 2011, 22:12

          Exactly – I’m also rooting for Lewis but didn’t want to see Schumacher penalized for their race at Monza. It was a good fight. Perhaps once (before Lesmo 1) he overdid the blocking, and at Ascari there was a risk that his moves back to the line would constitute two blocks given that Lewis was getting overlap, but he was warned about it and didn’t do anything blatant enough or repeated enough to warrant the stewards stepping in, in my view.

          To be fair to Daly, when he came on the F1 Debrief show this weekend, he opined that as someone who hates blocking and thinks it sets a terrible example to the junior ranks, he thought Schumacher stepped over that line, but his primary point (and it amazes me that this is a question in 2011) was that the grey area concerning whether a move back to the racing line is admissible still needs to be cleared up. He said that the definition of a “one move” block was discussed between the stewards before the Monza race and it really wasn’t resolved by the time they were done. This is a very fundamental thing for F1 to have left open, and Daly is right that everyone needs some clarity – if a race steward can’t answer the question, then who can? My personal view is that allowing two moves (the second being back to the racing line) makes blocking too easy and if you block once, even if it compromises your next corner entry, then you shouldn’t be at liberty to move fully back and block a second time. But that’s my opinion and if the FIA was clear about it, either way, then we wouldn’t have this big furore.

    • StefMeister said on 27th September 2011, 17:14

      They talked about this on the BBC Practice coverage a few times earlier in the year.

      Apparently Pre-Season the drivers asked the FIA to investigate everything regardless of how small an incident it was & to also be more strict with penalty’s.

      Through the year its been discussed in GPDA meetings & the drivers have continued to ask the FIA to continue to do this.

      I think that if the drivers felt the FIA were going to far or penalty’s were incorrect or inconsistent we’d be hearing about it, The fact they don’t say this seems to suggest the drivers are happy with how the FIA/Race stewards are handing things regarding investigations & penalty’s.

  6. raymondu999 (@raymondu999) said on 27th September 2011, 9:32

    Button, who took medication for dehydration and a stomach complaint before the race, easily out-dragged Webber to take second place at the start – and held the place for every lap of the race

    After Button’s pitstop at the end of Lap 48, he was 3rd with Alonso 2nd was he not? (Alo hadn’t pitted)

  7. spark (@spark) said on 27th September 2011, 9:52

    Button has really upped his game this season, he seems very comfortable with the car at the moment and we know that with this his talent shines though. It’s interesting that the McLaren drivers went with completely different set ups in Free practice (FP3 was it?)Jenson’s setup seemed faster. I wonder if, due to his greater experience, Jenson is leading the development of the car more than Hamilton. Perhaps he is able to give the engineers more feedback whereas Hamilton has more ability to drive around problems with the car.

    • lewis was faster than button on his first run,but button had a second run to go faster,lewis didnt.if he had of,he would have qualified in second.this is common knowledge.

  8. Rainman (@rainman) said on 27th September 2011, 13:04

    A bit off topic, but had one of the best day of my life, got to watch lewis hamilton doing do-nuts in his Mclaren 2008 F1 car. This was an event organized by vodofone today here in Bangalore, India. It was the first time, me seeing a F1 car live and it was AMAZING!!! the revving sound of the F1 car made goosebumps on me and my hairs were literally standing! Whoa what an experience….
    Lewis started with his F1 car, then gave rides to lucky contest winners in a Mercedes AMG. Thank you vodofone and Lewis for making today one of the most memorial day in my life….cheers

    Here is a link to a video from my cell phone cam…

  9. mclaren (@mclaren) said on 27th September 2011, 13:10

    Hamilton is not just a world champion, he’s a potential all-time legend, and that’s why these wasted seasons provide such acute frustration for him.

    A man capable of humbling a mighty talent like Alonso in his rookie season, and winning the title in only his second year in the most heroic of fashion, delivering some of the finest wet-weather wins in F1 history along the way.

    His driving at the moment is not wild, it’s just a little rough at the edges.

    He hasn’t been endangering rivals with crazy swerves or zero-percentage moves, he’s just had a couple of races where he’s slightly misjudged where the extremities of his McLaren are, with costly consequences for his points tally.

    But if he really was the whirlwind of chaos his critics are claiming, there would be more than 16 points (barely a third place) between him and his apparently flawless and heroic team-mate Button – but there are not.

    Hamilton hasn’t lost the plot, hasn’t become a menace and isn’t being blitzed by Button.

    I again repeat, Hamilton is not just a world champion, he’s a potential all-time legend, capable of dominating this era with his sparkling talent.

    • vho (@) said on 28th September 2011, 9:44

      You’re eluding to that Lewis could potentially become an all-time legend; he landed a drive in one of the top teams in the start of his career – he hasn’t proven of what it takes to win a race in a mid-field car. Vettel has shown that he can win a race in a Toro Rosso – which was a mid-field car (Monza 08), Jenson has proven he could win a race in a mid-field car – Honda (Hungary 06). Lewis has proven he can win in a top 3 car. When he starts winning in something close to the current Williams, or Lotus, then he’ll have a chance at being one of the greatest like Senna.

  10. Hamilton punctures Massa’s tire during a clumsy moment: Penalty

    (2010) Webber, cooking in a bit too hot, deranges Hamilton’s LR corner after Hamilton makes a pass on the outside, even leaving him room at the apex. Hamilton retires, Webber gets no penalty.

    Having watched the last few seasons it seems to me there are times when the rules and penalties are not applied evenly to all drivers.

    Hamilton’s style makes him very exciting to watch. He has the highest highs, and probably the lowest lows due to his bold aggressive racing style. Honestly F1 would be quite boring without him.

  11. i hope whitmarsh doesnt expect lewis to help button.
    i want lewis to battle for that second place because he’s very capable of getting it.and vettel will win the championship,anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded=whitmarsh.

    • vho (@) said on 28th September 2011, 9:36

      I think Whitmarsh would be expecting Jenson to be helping Lewis get his head screwed on properly and help McLaren finish on top of the Constructors Championship.

      Judging by the results so far (using facts rather than unfounded so called “common knowledge”) it seems that Jenson doesn’t require Lewis’ help.

  12. Hi all,

    Can anyone provide Lewis and Massa’s average entrance/exit speed for the corner where they collided? I’d like to know if there were any significant differences to how they approached/exited the corner.


  13. If last year’s collision between Webber & Hamilton was Webber’s fault they why did all the other drivers & pretty much all of the broadcasters agree it was Hamilton’s fault?

    People sitting infront of a TV judging those sorts of incidents won’t have a clue on what its like to drive an F1 car through that corner in that situation.

    The other drivers will & all said the accident was caused because Lewis didn’t leave enough room for both he & mark to make the corner without contact.

    I’d value the opinion of an F1 driver more than I would any of us sitting at home simply watching.

    • judo chop (@judo-chop) said on 27th September 2011, 21:25

      No commentator really said it was Hamilton’s fault. Just that, considering the damage done to his title hopes, he could’ve avoided being hit by Webber’s dive down the inside if he had ran a bit wider. Because Hamilton might have avoided a collision doesn’t absolve Webber of his lunatic lunge. If a champion boxer was KO’d by a punch he normally would’ve dodged it would be fair to blame him for hanging his chin out but it wouldn’t make sense to say he was responsible for throwing the knockout blow. Of course this difference flies over the heads of the anti-Hamilton brigade.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th September 2011, 10:29

      all the other drivers & pretty much all of the broadcasters agree it was Hamilton’s fault

      I certainly don’t remember many – if any – of the drivers voicing an opinion on it. They rarely do if they’re not the ones involved.

  14. Unless it’s bad reporting by Autosport, Hamilton is really behaving badly off-track. He has just been reported as saying about his run-in with Massa: “I was able to just ignore it and move on.”
    How can he ignore a penalty and still learn to become a more mature driver?

    • Shrieker (@shrieker) said on 27th September 2011, 18:23

      Shows he has the mindset to win more titles. A penalty is a penalty, served and done with. What point in dwelling on it anymore after you’ve served it ? The answer is “no” and he displayed it in his recovery drive.

      • Ignoring something is not the same as “not dwelling” on it. To ignore means “refuse to take notice of” or “leave out of consideration” or “shut your eyes to something.”

        But then again, maybe Hamilton is re-inventing the English language at the same time he’s re-inventing the best way to win the world championship?

    • tharris19 (@tharris19) said on 27th September 2011, 21:01

      He did not ignore the penalty, he did his drive through and got on with it. All the way back to 5th.

  15. The Limit said on 27th September 2011, 18:35

    The problem Hamilton has is that he has a ‘reputation’
    with the stewards, much in the same way as some footballers do with referees. If you notice, its always the same players getting booked, even on occasions when they may or maynot have been at fault.
    I am not making excuses for Lewis! His move on Massa was clumsy, and blame for it lays at Hamilton’s door. One wonders if Lewis’ comments at Monaco this year have only further damaged his relationship with race officials, even though sometimes Hamilton on occasion does get the rough end of the stick.
    However, F1 over the years have always clamped down hard on the overly aggressive type race car drivers. Juan Pablo Montoya springs to mind, as does Aryton Senna. I agree that the sport has added danger to it when drivers push a little ‘too far’ on occasion, but the paradox is that is what makes F1 exciting to watch.
    I have to admit I was bored watching the Singapore Gp at times. Lewis probably did most of the overtaking that I saw, and at the end of the day, that is my main reason for watching, to see the best drivers in the world go wheel to wheel.
    As with all racing, risky overtaking moves when they work are amazing. Vettel’s move on Alonso at Monza was one of those deals that, had it failed, could have
    ended in disaster. A marshall in 2000 was killed at that same spot following a bad move from a Jordan driver, for example. It goes to show just how much of a challenge these men face everytime they race.
    With Hamilton though, I fear this is more than just a dip in form. He can continue to preach that this is how he has always raced, on the limit, but the fact is it is costing him championships at the moment. One only has to look at Jenson Button, who is currently the only driver even close to Sebastien Vettel in the championship. He has kept his head down all year, stays out of the limelight, and makes good decisions during grands prix. He is reliable and consistent, something that Hamilton has not been. He has been more Montoya than Schumacher this season, but still every bit as entertaining as he was way back in 2007 when he started.
    As for Massa I feel sorry for him. He faired well against Raikkonen at Ferrari, better than most expected from a driver who used to see more armco barriers than podiums when he was at Sauber. That has not been the case since Fernando Alonso became his team mate, add to that his near fatal shunt in 2009, and you have a driver desperately on the back foot.
    He may, despite the Hamilton incident, have not got a
    podium finish at Singapore. However, these days a good points finish is a result to Felipe. To see that evaporate following his tussle with Lewis would have tipped most people over the edge, and its worth remembering that.
    As for Ferrari replacing Massa, its important to remember Hockenheim last year and the clear message Ferrari sent to the racing world. Alonso is there main man, their true hope for another championship. Ferrari know, as do we, they only need a solid number two next to the Spaniard.

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