Smedley told Massa to ‘destroy Hamilton’s race’

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It appears that before the collision between Lewis Hamilton and Felipe Massa, Rob Smedley was goading his driver to “hold Hamilton as much as we can. Destroy his race as much as we can.”

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205 comments on Smedley told Massa to ‘destroy Hamilton’s race’

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  1. SoLiDG (@solidg) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:05

    Interesting read about Massa.
    I read on twitter (i believe Byron Young @byronf1) said he tought Massa
    was slow on acceleration when the collision happened..
    Don’t want to erase Hamilton’s error, but could be an extra reason the touch happened!

    • SoLiDG (@solidg) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:06

      byronf1 Byron Young
      Engine sounded to me like Massa didn’t get on the power quick enough out of the corner and that caused the accident with Hamilton.

      • sato113 (@sato113) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:25

        massa was on prime tyres on the extreme inside of a tightish corner. I believe Hamilton should’ve expected Massa to be slow on exit.

        • lightsout (@lightsout) said on 2nd October 2011, 1:01

          Just like Schumacher judged other’s braking points so well? ;)

          • wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 2nd October 2011, 3:01

            I guess the word “Destroy’ here was meant to hole Hamilton not let him pass Massa so that his race is ruin,I don’t think Rob Smedley is a stupid enough guy to tell Massa to have a intentional crash.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 2nd October 2011, 14:06

            Yes Wasif, it makes sense for Ferrari to want Massa to keep Hamilton behind as best as he can to give Alonso a good shot at finishing ahead of him later in the day.

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:25

      I did think he was a little slow, but I couldn’t be bothered to excuse Hamilton or argue it before. I have a lot less sympathy for Massa’s puncture now that he was told to hold him up! Backfired somewhat…

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 2nd October 2011, 2:17

      Don’t want to erase Hamilton’s error, but could be an extra reason the touch happened!

      I don’t think Massa deliberately caused the accident to ruin Hamilton. He’s not that stupid.

      • wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 2nd October 2011, 3:06

        Not very often I agree with you.

      • Fixy (@fixy) said on 2nd October 2011, 9:04

        It ruined his race more than Hamilton’s. Obviousy the “destroy his race” thing was a coincidence, Felipe didn’t really want to crash with Lewis and Lewis probably didn’t know about that communication and just tried to pass him.
        After all, Massa’s races often are “destoryed” by bein stuck up behind some other drivers, so Smedley’s remark was not to be intended literally.

        • Cluffy_Wedge said on 2nd October 2011, 11:33

          But it got Alonso another place…

          • Bigbadderboom (@bigbadderboom) said on 2nd October 2011, 12:36

            And we know he’s not worried about what his teammates have to go through for his benefit!! Seriously though, this is just unfortunate phrasing from Rob, i’m sure they could come up with something more imagainative if there was anything sinister to this. However it does demonstrate the feeling in Massa’s side of the garage to Hamilton. The WDC maybe over but maybe a good fued will give us more interest in the last few races!!!

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 2nd October 2011, 14:08

          The really worrying thing for Massa, is the fact he has not only been asked to give up a win for Alonso, but we now have proof, the is very much being put in a position to really be Fernando’s rear guard.

          Its something we discussed often here, how often stopping him after Alonso hurt his race strategy. Now we see just how far Ferrari are taking this.
          I think we should really take this in account when talking about how well Massa is driving. A sad turn in his career really.

      • KnottyBwoy said on 2nd October 2011, 13:53

        yes he is and he has done that to hamilton so many times.

      • joebloggs said on 3rd October 2011, 16:37

        For sure the desire to disrupt someone else’s race is normal. However, if done by driving deliberately slightly slower than normal or taking a different line through a corner, a driver can’t be too surprised if he outwits the other driver into making a small mistake. And it certainly shows that Massa’s petulant outburst was cynical to say the least.

    • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 2nd October 2011, 5:50

      Why would Felipe be accelerating at this point? Exactly. He wouldn’t be. It was a ridiculous error by Lewis and Felipe cannot be blamed out of anything other than pure spite.

      I loved how Rob Smedley had basically the same reaction to the incident as myself though; a simple shake of the head in disbelief. And Lewis’ classic niggle at the stewards as he’s serving his drive through is getting a bit tired. Of course you have a drive through Lewis. You caused a completely avoidable accident.

    • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 2nd October 2011, 11:01

      Nahhhh I think the incident was still down to a mistake from Hamilton.

    • TommyB (@tommyb89) said on 2nd October 2011, 11:04

      That is ByronF1 though. Well known for bashing any driver who isn’t British.

    • Jimmy_D (@jimmy_d) said on 4th October 2011, 4:22

      Knowing what he was doing during the race, there was no need for Massa to go after Hamilton the way he did after the race, and making the whole thing personal. He was defending his position and “Holding Hamilton back” as instructed i.e. taking the racing line, braking early, and slowing down in the corners…. Hamilton misjudged Massa’s speed hence the collision – a racing incident, nothing more.
      It was a risky move by Smedley and Massa, and unfortunately for them they ended up in a collision. They should have been more realistic, they were not racing Hamilton for position…. they had no chance.

  2. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:09

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  3. MGriffin90 (@mgriffin90) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:27

    If Massa was told to hold up Lewis, and he was cautious at the turn for that reason, it’s no wonder Lewis hit him.

    I’m frankly amazed that plotting to destroy another drivers race isn’t illegal, but it has ensured I have ZERO respect any more for Smedley or Massa/

    • t3x (@t3x) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:38

      Why would telling someone to destroy another’s race be illegal?
      It is racing, of course that stuff goes on, it’s just part of the game.

      • t3x (@t3x) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:40

        Watching that incident again, Hamilton was definitly in the wrong, no doubt about that.

      • enka said on 2nd October 2011, 2:58

        relax …it was Felipe’s race destroyed caused by the legal instruction

      • Boomerang said on 2nd October 2011, 13:21

        There is sporting code as well! McLaren had to pay huge amount of money just for breaking that code. It’s ok to compete with someone but to destroy his race is malicious and completely out of place…

        • chaostheory said on 3rd October 2011, 14:46

          Calm down, how many times someones race was “destroyed” to our viewing pleasure? Look at Petrovs defensive driving in Abu Dhabi last year – result? Alonsos race (and championship hopes) destroyed, how many times Kubica held far superior cars of Raikkonen or Hamilton – their races were somewhat destroyed too, but watching those guys “destoying” each others races was (and will be) a pleasure.
          This Massa “controversy” (some wants it to be controversy:\ ) is nothing even close to Piquet-gate.
          Just focus on next race, people (Suzuka, a place where championship could be decided, although not in such exciting circumstances as in the past…)

          • JCost (@jcost) said on 4th October 2011, 8:40

            Lewis didn’t want to hit slow motion Massa. It was a misjudgement by Lewis. End of story.

            Massa did nothing illegal on the race track. Michael Schumacher did destroy Lewis race illegally in Monza, Massa didn’t but he was tempted to, maybe the hit stopped him from materializing his engineer’s clue, but we will never know…

      • TED BELL said on 3rd October 2011, 15:50

        Massa should be banned from F1, Smedley should be kept out of F1 for five years and Massa should start racing trucks in America like that other Brazilian kid. This the only option for cheaters in Grand Prix…

    • CarsVsChildren (@carsvschildren) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:51

      They were rivals racing for position, while on different strategies, imho “destroy his race” is exactly what Massa should have been doing.

      If Massa was on prime tyres as stated above, and he was able to keep Hamilton behind for a few laps, that would play into his hands later in the race.

      It might of worked had Hamilton not impersonated my mother and forgot where the front of his car ends.

      • lightsout (@lightsout) said on 2nd October 2011, 1:00

        I think di Resta’s handled this better. Kept them behind for as long as possible, but don’t sacrifice your own lap-time in doing so!

        Shame Massa didn’t do a better job later in the race when Hamilton did get past rather easily!

    • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 2nd October 2011, 4:21

      So: “OK, Felipe, Hamilton is faster than you, can you understand this message” would’ve worked better, wouldn’t it?

      Just because he said “destroy” doesn’t mean “try to cause an accident”.

      The fact Hamilton hit him in the end, proves that Ferrari’s strategy (despite backfiring a bit), worked. How many times have we seen a driver holding up another deliberately, so his team mate can catch (or get away from) the pair.

    • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 2nd October 2011, 5:39

      If Massa was told to hold up Lewis, and he was cautious at the turn for that reason, it’s no wonder Lewis hit him.
      I’m frankly amazed that plotting to destroy another drivers race isn’t illegal, but it has ensured I have ZERO respect any more for Smedley or Massa/

      I think you’re reading way too much into this. Watch the video again and you’ll see that Hamilton hit Massa well before Felipe would have been even thinking about accelerating. Here’s the initial contact. Massa was forced to take the defensive line, so he was always going to be slow through the apex. Hamilton was unfortunately a bit thick on this occasion and he can only blame himself. As far as I see it, he completely deserved his drive through.

      As for Smedley’s comments, that’s just how he fires his “boy” up. By telling him to “destroy his race” it would have reminded Felipe of what Lewis did to him in Monaco. To say the accident was anything to do with Smedley’s comment is plain silly. It was a stupid error by Lewis and 0% Massa’s fault.

      • Franton said on 2nd October 2011, 10:51

        You’re not related to Rob are you? ;)

        You’ve got to admit though that his terminology is suspect. Compare “destroy his race” with what other drivers get such as “you’re racing for position” and “you can get him”. It’s just more “off” than anything really concrete.

        Sadly not enough to draw any conclusions from other than Rob needs to ditch the smoggy accent :p (I speak as a true geordie :p)

        • Lee Harrison (@lee-harrison) said on 2nd October 2011, 11:09

          It’s clearly just Smedley trying to gee his driver up, he knows how to make Massa tick. Any thought that he was telling Massa to deliberately crash into Hamilton is ludicrous.

        • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 2nd October 2011, 13:38

          You’re not related to Rob are you?

          I really need to look into it and find out! It would be so cool if I was. Smedley isn’t exactly a common name, even if Rob and I are half a world away from each other.

        • xanathos (@xanathos) said on 2nd October 2011, 14:37

          there’s nothing suspect to it. It clearly wasn’t meant as “Make sure he gets a penalty” or “Put him off the road”, something like that would clearly have been a coded message ;)

          i think there was a race a few years ago where Rubens Barrichello was told by his engineer to “kill” the guy in front of him – meaning to overtake him. I think this is something similar

          • Blaze said on 3rd October 2011, 22:10

            What if Barrichello ended up crashing into the guy, how was that message going to interpretted? If Hamilton and Massa accident didn’t happen, no-one would have made a follow up on what Smedley said.

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 2nd October 2011, 13:27

      Massa was one of the few that resisted to a DRS attack and did so superbly with his KERS and late braking on the inside. He was for once doing a corageous manoeuvre which kept him ahead of a rival, and he should be encouraged for this rather than bashed.

  4. xbx-117 (@xbx-117) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:30

    Nice to hear an interesting audio snippet, reaffirms my wish that they would let us hear more.

  5. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 2nd October 2011, 0:41

    Interesting comments from Smedley there… Kind of expected from Lewis though…

    Nothing compared to when Barrichello was told to ‘kill’ someone back in ’06 ;)

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  7. UKfanatic (@) said on 2nd October 2011, 1:17

    I noticed the spam, no worry from me I assumed it wasnt on purpose, anyway I dont hear anything wron on Smedleys radio message in the end Hamilton finished better than Massa he was less harmed than Massa but he was way quicker anyway.

    • UKfanatic (@) said on 2nd October 2011, 1:20

      after saturday and before it doenst impresses me what stunned me was to listen Hamilton admit that he deserved it

  8. dpod (@dpod) said on 2nd October 2011, 1:17

    I must be missing something since I dont understand all the hate against Smedley and Massa. How is that any worse than having Schumacher defending fiercely against Hamilton? Sure, Smedley told him to “ruin his race” but that’s no different than telling him to defend as best he could, and from my understanding that is racing. I hope people weren’t expecting Massa to just let Hamilton by.

    • johnathan h said on 3rd October 2011, 19:16

      It’s because they are ruining Massa’s race. This guy nearly won the world championship, now he’s just alonso’s servant… Hence the anger on here.

  9. almanac said on 2nd October 2011, 1:49

    I think the article meant to say Whitmarsh told hammy to destroy massa’s race”
    hammy asked how? easy hit his rear tyre

  10. DeadManWoking (@deadmanwoking) said on 2nd October 2011, 2:01

    That race at the Glen was the first GP I attended, I was 17 at the time and had been following F1 for about 5 years. In those days you followed F1 in the US by waiting 2 months for Road & Track’s detailed race reports by the legendary Henry N Manney III and watching Monaco on ABC Wide World of Sports delayed several weeks, a far cry from today’s live broadcasts of even the practice sessions and live timing.
    We had arrived at the track at midnight after a 2 1/2 hour drive and pitched our tents in the dark in the infield next to a very flimsy wire fence. I was awakened in the morning (more than a little hung over) by an incredible cacaphony and poked my head out of the tent opening to see and hear the F1 cars, no more than 15 feet away, screaming at top speed down the back straight and then decelerating popping and banging to take the entry to Fast Bend, the sound was absolutely amazing. Besides the H-16 there were 4 different V-12s, several V-8s and even inline 4s out practicing for the GP. In the race the next day, Clark gave the H-16 it’s only win after both Bandini and Brabham blew their engines while leading. About 20 laps in Surtees in a Cooper-Maserati had tangled with Arundell’s Lotus-Climax, which he was trying to lap, sending both of them on a trip through the grass. He then followed him into the Lotus pit and got out of the car to “have a word” with him but was held back by the Lotus mechanics. Surtees rejoined the race 3 laps down and then proceeded to produce an absolutely storming drive through the field, setting FL after FL and unlapping himself twice to wind up 3rd. After watching this race an F1 Fanatic was born that day on a hilltop in Upstate NY!

    • Oh, what a great story! :-D

      Also:

      In those days you followed F1 in the US by waiting 2 months for Road & Track’s detailed race reports by the legendary Henry N Manney III and watching Monaco on ABC Wide World of Sports delayed several weeks

      I’ll never complain about SpeedTV coverage again. (Okay, I probably will.) But seriously: it makes me wonder how there were any F1 fans here in the US back then who hadn’t actually been to a race!

    • kcrossle (@kcrossle) said on 2nd October 2011, 4:50

      (sorry if this is reposting… doesn’t seem to be working right)

      Cheers DMW. I too was there that day! The night before my brother and I slept… if you can call it that… in various places in my Bugeye Sprite on the outside of “the 90″. Reminds me – the (traditional) first weekend of October appraches.

      You are so right. As many contemplate a return to the USA (Austin) they have no idea of (1) the great scene there was 60′s to 70′s and (2) how hard they have to work to regain what we had then (before Bernie threw it away).

  11. roberttty (@roberttty) said on 2nd October 2011, 2:19

    was FOM trying save the juicy race highlights for the Highlights DVD at end of season?

  12. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 2nd October 2011, 2:41

    I’m seeing a lot of people pouncing on Smedley’s comments, as if they’re proof positive that Massa caused the accident with Hamilton, not the other way around.

    • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 2nd October 2011, 5:42

      Couldn’t agree more. I’m actually a little annoyed by some people over this whole incident. Massa did nothing wrong, yet seems to be getting more flak than the man that carelessly drove into his rival.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 2nd October 2011, 6:38

        If Hamilton wasn’t having a rough season, then wouldn’t be an issue. In fact, the whole “destroy his race” comment would have passed under the radar. People are just trying to shift blame away from Hamilton to justify the Hamilton-isn’t-struggling argument.

        • Trenthamfolk (@trenthamfolk) said on 2nd October 2011, 8:22

          Don’t be ridiculous… No-ones trying to shift blame here. This is all about Ferrari and their doormat, Massa. Massa clearly wasn’t there to race (a point I have maintained from the beginning) but simply to get in the way. He has no desire to score points, he is not aiming for a podium, or to overtake anyone, but to do whatever his overloads tell him. Most pointedly, he is not there to race!

          Frankly, Ferrari display the very worst type of sportsmanship, and aside from being blatant cheats, are content to be derided the pathetic, outclassed and anti-sporting outfit they have now become.

          It’s very sad for Massa. Ferrari nursed him back into the cockpit after his accident knowing they now had a virtual slave who owes them big. As for his attitude after the race, it was clearly another attempt to wind Hamilton up and distract him. Pathetic, childish and very, very Ferrari. The prancing ponies are a joke. In my opinion!

        • Hairs (@hairs) said on 2nd October 2011, 9:21

          That’s not what it’s about at all. Massa’s attitude all weekend was that everything was Lewis’s fault, that he was an unsafe and irresponsible driver, that he needed to change his attitude. The accident was avoidable and Lewis should have been more careful.

          Having said that, this is proof that massa does deliberately dawdle, that he does deliberately get in the way, that he was attempting to frustrate and annoy Hamilton. Which makes his childish attacks on Lewis after the race even worse. If you have behind you a driver who you know is impatient, who will climb all over you to get past, who has caused avoidable accidents all year, then deliberately attempting to frustrate him, is only going to end in an accident. In the circumstances, I’m not going to absolve lewis of the blame, but I’m going to say that Massa deserved what he got.

          And it’s further proof that ferrari only have one driver. They don’t want their drivers to finish 1-2, and beat other teams. They want one driver to win, and the other to ruin someone else’s race, they don’t care how he does it or where he finishes. There is no culture of sportsmanship in the team. No wonder Massa’s frustrated, but he only has himself to blame. A man with more guts would have refused the order in germany and he wouldn’t be in this position.

          • Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 2nd October 2011, 9:41

            Couldn’t have put it better myself.

          • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 2nd October 2011, 10:16

            You think he “deliberately dawdled”? Felipe was on primes; Lewis was on options. “Hold him up” doesn’t mean go slower. It was a simple instruction to keep him behind and defend his position. There’s no way in the world that Felipe would have slowed down and ruined his own race just to “frustrate” Lewis.

          • Mike (@mike) said on 2nd October 2011, 10:16

            Why can’t Ferrari use Massa to assist Alonso’s race?

            I was one of the most vocal people in Hockenheim against what Ferrari did. But this is different. This wasn’t swapping their drivers or stopping their men from racing. This was using one car to help the teams chances.

            Do you expect Ferrari to tell Massa not to hold one of their main competitors up?

            I’m sorry, but Massa has every right to dawdle and frustrate Hamilton as much as he wants. Lewis stuffed up. Big deal, move on. But to suggest that either Ferrari or Massa have done anything even morally wrong is ridiculous.

            Yes, Hockenheim, evil evil. But that was a long time ago, and even I have moved on.

          • bananarama (@bananarama) said on 2nd October 2011, 10:33

            When you are a boxer and you hit your opponent so he is feeling bad you’ll go after it with everything you have because its the best chance for a knock out. If you know Messi doesn’t play well when you always step on his feet and bully him around on the pitch, then you’ll make sure to do that on every occasion you can. When you know Hamilton comes up you try to annoy him because that makes him prone to mistakes. Know your opponents weaknesses and exploit them. Get over it.

          • Franton said on 2nd October 2011, 10:53

            Actually Damon, it can mean exactly that. Senna famously kept Mansell behind him at Monaco in ’92 on far older tyres by going slightly slower into the corners, forcing Nige to brake more and slowing him down. That’s just racecraft.

          • Hairs (@hairs) said on 2nd October 2011, 11:06

            I’m not suggesting at all that Massa or Ferrari aren’t entitled to hold up or block one of their competitors where possible, what I’ve said is that is Massa’s only purpose in races. He’s not there to score points or podiums, or do well on his own account. He’s there to be a roadblock for alonso, and therefore when Lewis complained about massa holding him up on qualifying laps, he had a point. Massa’s own driving has contributed to the accidents he’s been in, and he only has himself to blame for the frustration her feels at being used by ferrari like this. So yes, damon it us quite clear that massa will ruin his own race on team orders, I don’t know how you can doubt it.

            As to the Messi comparison, I would say that if you can’t beat him without standing on his feet, then you haven’t beaten him at all, you’ve just shown poor sportsmanship and a lack of class.

          • Trenthamfolk (@trenthamfolk) said on 2nd October 2011, 12:58

            @Mike, Ferrari clearly haven’t…

          • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 2nd October 2011, 14:17

            @Franton – But that was for the win in the dying laps of the race. Felipe was just on a different strategy, and for it to work, he had to make sure he stayed in front of Hamilton who was on quicker tyres.

            @Hairs – Smedley gave the order, and Smedley is not as evil as everyone makes out Ferrari personnel to be. He is working for Ferrari, but over the years I’ve got the feeling he’s not fond of making his driver do the dirty work for Fernando. Watch the Spa race edit and you’ll see how pleased he was when Fernando passed him. I’m sorry, but in my opinion, Massa wasn’t holding Lewis up for Fernando on this occasion. He was actually trying to beat him.

          • +1

          • David BR (@david-br) said on 2nd October 2011, 23:05

            @ Damon Smedley

            There’s no way in the world that Felipe would have slowed down and ruined his own race just to “frustrate” Lewis.

            Except that he was told to ‘hold’ Hamilton by his race engineer and ‘destroy’ his race. Which implies slowing him down so Alonso could get away. The only explanation. Which also implies Massa wasn’t supposed to think about his own race and to concentrate on ‘holding’ Hamilton.

            So he braked heavily into a corner while defending as best he could, caused Hamilton to lock up and – in my view – was jointly responsible for the collision. Racing incident.

            Kind of sad that Massa, and Ferrari’s second driver, is only useful as a mobile bollard to block Hamilton from being a threat to Alonso, but there you have it.

          • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 3rd October 2011, 13:10

            Hamilton didn’t lock up. He had the racing line and he had braked earlier. Massa was defending on the inside and whilst braking, was run into. How you can see it as Massa’s fault in any way is beyond me.

  13. Malibu_GP said on 2nd October 2011, 2:59

    That is a great story…, Watkins glenn is legendary. So is ABC’s wide world of sports…. Nice!

  14. ob1kenobi.23 (@ob1kenobi23) said on 2nd October 2011, 3:09

    I think Rob should be a little more subtle with his wording or he could invoke the wrath of the powers that be. Not condoning the action but try to be a little less obvious.
    Ron’s words in Spa 98 were “he’s right behind you.

  15. ob1kenobi.23 (@ob1kenobi23) said on 2nd October 2011, 3:10

    I think Rob should be a little more subtle with his wording or he could invoke the wrath of the powers that be. Not condoning the action but try to be a little less obvious.
    Ron’s words in Spa 98 were “he’s right behind you”.

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