Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Korea, 2011

Rate the race: 2011 Korean Grand Prix

2011 Korean Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

What did you think of the Korean Grand Prix? Rate the race out of ten and leave a comment below:

Rate the 2011 Korean Grand Prix out of ten

  • 1 (2%)
  • 2 (1%)
  • 3 (1%)
  • 4 (2%)
  • 5 (8%)
  • 6 (18%)
  • 7 (30%)
  • 8 (27%)
  • 9 (10%)
  • 10 (1%)

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  1. 7/10 from me.

    There were some amazing battles and some brilliant action at parts, but there wasn’t really any hope of anything materialising for the attacking drivers. If not for the Hamilton – Webber scrap, I’d have given it a 6. Still, a highly entertaining race and there’s no doubt in my mind that this track is brilliant for close racing. Not sure about the DRS though…

    1. Same from me. The HAM/WEB battle saved the race.

      1. I didn’t see a Ham/Web battle. I saw cars following each other around the track. Ham using his KERS at the same point, Web closing at the same point.

        I said it last year (and got slated for it) but this is not a good track for racing. There is no natural overtaking spot. The location of the DRS zone removed the ability to overtake into the first corner as well.

        4/10 for me. It was processional.

        1. couldn’t agree more ……awfully boring 4/10 …..what a crappy track. i want to see racing, not a parade !!!

    2. Not to mention the fact Red Bull failed to take a chance on pitting Webber a lap later to jump Hamilton and get close to Vettel.

      I am not decided yet, but I also think its going to be a 7. Although those few laps of really tight racing in the fast corners between Hamilton and Webber were really good.

    3. Booooring………. hence it’s 5/10 for me.

    4. yes HAM/WEB and later ALO make this race exciting.
      Wonder if we should kick out VET of the remaining races, possibly giving him the victories, because after lap one, he was on no battle. Good drive from him too, but not entertaining for a second. Was obvious he would get Hamilton on the straight with the slip-stream…

    5. 7/10
      During the race I was already thinking of what vote I was going to give it, and many times I was thinking “how boring”. Obviously when there was the Hamilton-Webber duel, or the battles between Rosberg-Button and Alonso-Massa and Rosberg-Massa-Alonso, I enjoyed it, but I don’t feel like giving it more than 7.

    6. For me DRS worked superbly well. It wasn’t so extreme, like it was in Montreal or Spa, where people were flying past long before the braking zones.

      The DRS really spiced up the Webber and Hamilton fight, KERS also made it interesting as we saw a lot of clever uses of them both.

      The detection zone was in a great place to. An overtake into Turn 1 would then result in the car having a chance to re-pass in the DRS zone, then the faster car would have a chance slipstreaming on the following straight. We saw this happen with Kobayashi and Senna.

      1. It was what we saw in the Rosberg fight with Button as well. Pass, re-pass, pass again. In effect making for a multi lap battle to get past.

        1. But a bit artificial too, especially in combination with that pit exit where all drivers knew to not be ahead at the detection line; I even think HAM might have been able to get ahead of Webber in that corner, but didn’t bc. of the DRS.

          It looked nice, but upon re-watching I thought it a bit too manufactured to be honest.

          1. But I’ll add that the short distance of the DRS was right, even if I am not sure about the placement of the zone itself on the 2nd straight.

      2. I thought it was a brilliant race with of course the exception of first place. DRS was brilliant, I have always maintained that DRS should allow a competitive car to get passed the dirty air zone and into the braking zone alongside the car in front requiring a good pass to get by, but also allow faster cars to get passed slower cars after pit stops and not be held up. Gave it a 9 as the race never include Vettel, at least not on TV.

  2. sid_prasher (@)
    16th October 2011, 8:46

    Going with 8, could easily have been 10 if Button and Alonso could have challenged Webber and Hamilton.

    Wonderful racing between Hamilton and Webber and a champion’s drive from Vettel.

  3. 7. It would’ve been an 8 if that precocious German Justin Bieber fought some more.

    1. And once again DRS is proving itself to be extremely artificial. It needs to be scrapped completely and just let the drivers get on with it without these Mario Kart aids.

      1. Get over it already, its definitely not a “Mario Kart aid”… I agree that on this particular track it failed miserably, but in other tracks like suzuka or China, it was a great thing to have.

        1. Sorry, but I hate it and I don’t agree ‘it’s a great thing’ because it’s still an artificial aid. The new tyres are enough.

          1. sid_prasher (@)
            16th October 2011, 9:20

            I think the problem is more in the rule than in the system itself…here they got it wrong with the placement.

          2. Now the teams understand the tyres more I don’t think the tyres are the game-changers they were at the beginning of the season. Without DRS it would be even more of a procession than it is now.

      2. Yes DRS not good for this race, although WEB would have been further back, and we would have missed the HAM/WEB moments.
        Sometimes I wonder if the DRS should not be used in reverse: used when the driver is more than 1 sec from the guy in front!

        1. That’s not such a bad idea :)

      3. Last time I checked, F1 cars do not grow naturally, so everything about F1 is artificial.

    2. “Bieber” did what he needed to do: Passed Hamilton and got on with it in the beginning. Then even after the safety car got on with it again showing just how much better he is than the rest of the field.

      1. You mean how much Newey’s RB7 is better than the rest. :)

        1. Which explains how Webber won every race Vettel couldnĀ“t… Oh wait.

          1. all that shows is that vettel is better than webber (which no-one is questioning) put hamilton/button/alonso in an RB7 and they would win just as much as vettel. Neweys massively dominant cars have played a HUGE role in vettel’s WDC victories.

          2. Just like McLaren played a huge role in Hamilton’s WDC. And Renault in Alonso’s WDC’s…

            What was your point exactly?

    3. While Bieber passed Hamilton and went on to win the race, what does that make of Hamilton?

    4. Fight from where, 1st?!

      Job done.

    5. LOL..If anyone is the ‘Bieber’ here it’s pretty-boy Hamilton who is getting his @ss handed to him by Vettel AND his teammate currently.

      Doubt anything will shut the Vettel doubters up guys. Once Hamilton jumps ship and joins Red Bull in 2 years and Vettel beats him AGAIN it will be ‘Oh but the TEAM is favouring Vettel.. it’s got nothing to do with his skill’. Excuses are wearing thin and the doubters are making me laugh more and more lol..

      1. I take it the homoeroticism is unintentional?

  4. 7. Enjoyable race. Very dissapointed for Shumi. Go Vettel.

  5. DRS totally ruins real overtaking moves outside of the DRS zone. 7/10

  6. Even as a Mclaren fan I wanted Webber to get past Hamilton and challenge Vettel. DRS is awful, worst detection point ever, if you pass at the first corner you just get un-passed at turn 3. Probably an 8 from me.

    1. I doubt Webber would have been able to challenge Vettel. Even if he caught him, Vettel would have just turned up his fuel mix and powered away. Story of the season, really! I love seeing talent, but in the interests of the sport, Vettel is a bad, bad man! :P

    2. hamilton would have got back past Webber even without DRS

      1. Or run into him – either way

  7. 7/10

    First half was awesome! Second half, not so much. The race was good overall, but it was quite boring at times.

    1. Also, that must be the worst Pit Exit EVER. Who the hell designed that? And what was he on?

      1. Hermann Tilke.

  8. 8.5/10, i’ll give it a 9 then!

    Great start! Great Race by Vettel! Congrats to Red Bull!

  9. Good clean racing. DRS a crock but them’s the rules. Had my money on BUT, Pity it didnt rain.

  10. 5/10

    More than any other circuit, the Korean International Circuit is divided into three separate sections. Each section clearly tests one aspect of the car: the first is its straight-line speed. The second tests downforce. And the third tests a driver’s ability to set the car up. The obvious intention is to encourage the drivers to play to the strengths of their cars, and hope that whatever advantage they have in two sectors offsets their lack of speed in the other sector. We saw this in qualifying – drivers were setting similar lap times, but they were getting their speed in different places. The problem is that his circuit was built before the DRS was introduced, and the DRS quashes the whole theory of it. Drivers can now set the car up for the second and third sectors, then use the DRS to cancel out the deficit in the first sector.’

    Also, Turn 5 is completely pointless. I see no reason why the race cannot be run on that section of track the drivers were cautioned against using. It would make Turn 6 (and the entire second sector) faster without compromising Turn 4, which would still be a braking/overtaking point.

    1. I do think 5/10 is a bit harsh. The battle to keep Webber behind was really nice at times.

      But you might be right on the circuit characteristics there, I think its a track that has promise, just the super long straight does not really work out as it should with the current cars.

      1. I agree 5/10 is a bit harsh, I gave it a 6.

    2. I don’t agree on that, at all.

      We saw yesterday that the McLarens, the Red Bulls the Ferrari’s and even Mercedes we’re almost even in the first sector.

      What we saw today was a result of little to no heavy fuel testing on either compound.
      McLaren had the quickest car over a single lap quite comfortably but their tires degraded faster during the race which then off course compromises the speed of the car.

      We saw yesterday that the McLaren’s we’re more stable than any other car in both the 2nd and 3rd sector.

      1. 6/10. A few battles at the start, highest point of action was the crash. Really boaring though, the final battle was the end and by that time I could have fallen asleep with being hardly anything happening.

    3. You’re entitled to your opinion, but you didn’t say why you voted a 5… I agree with your point, but why was this race a 5 and not a 4 or a 6?

      1. Because five seemed appropriate.

  11. 6/10, 1 point purely for Webber and Hamilton and 1 for the early doubts about the lead, apart from that nothing special.

    1. I voted 6 too. Great start and fight in the opening laps, but after that … Alonso showed had the pace for the race ( I didn’t catch his last radio communication, did he said “I give up”?). Shame for Schumacher.
      The fight between Hamilton and Webber, was the best part of the race, but it was totally ruined by the DRS. I remember sth like this happened in Turkey between Rosberg and Massa. Hope this year experience helps FIA to improve this system next year, or even better for me, get rid off it.

    2. Same from me. 6. Apart from the closing battle for 2nd-4th at the end (which was only a batttle for 1 and a half laps), it ended up with them line-astern without any overtaking.

      I’ve said it many times before and I’ll say it again, how anyone can rate races like this an 8 or a 9 is beyond me. The scale goes from 1-10 not 5-10. Think of the most classic races in the history of F1 ever being a 9.5 or 10. This in comparison was was clearly not an 8 or 9.

      In fact now I’m wishing I had clicked 5 not 6.

    3. Agree, 6/10 – lots of 3-car processions in succession. LH/MW saved it from being a really boring race, but it was nothing special especially compared to other races this year.

  12. I gave it 9, because Webber vs Hamilton battle was one of the most entertaining this season!

    1. Really…..there has been loads better….have you even watched F1 before.

      1. No need for that is there? Have you never had a civil conversation before?

        At least give examples of better battles.

        1. I watched almost every race since year 2000, but I didn’t compare to previous seasons. I said, that was the most entertaining battle THIS season. Can you give me an example of better battle this year???

          1. My reply was to @formula-1 ….

  13. No no no, doesn’t Petrov know Alonso is his target, not Schumacher ;)

    All kidding aside, a great race.

    Vettel once again proves his worth.

    Great battle between Hamilton and Webber.

    Good race for Massa keeping pace with and leading Alonso until the last stint.

    Great race for STR!! Both drivers in the points and Jaime beating Rosberg!!

  14. I gave it a 9, because it was a great race from P2 on back.

    Even the FOM world feed ignored Vettel through most of the race, and how many times do you see that? Everyone else behind made it an interesting race for the viewers.

    1. Great race from P2 to back? There was little to spice things up: there was almost no tyre wear and there were only a few overtakings. I was hoping for a heavy tyre-struggle and an immense fight for the lead, but it didn’t materialize at all. So if someone asks me: “Why is it worth sacrificing your sleep to see this race?”, I do not have a decent answer. The battle for the second place? The Petrov-Schumacher crash? Anyway, from time to time boring races occur, even in the 2011 season. Compared to some wonderful races like Spain or Canada this year, a “9” for this race seems inappropriate.

  15. The start was similar to Japan, lots of close racing but nothing really going on. Then the end was fantastic. Amazing racing between Hamilton and Webber.

    8/10 for me.

  16. 8 – Too much DRS oblivion..

  17. 7/10

    Better than your average race from throughout history, but pretty dull for a 2011 race. The race would’ve been painfully boring without DRS.

  18. Enjoyed it a lot 7/10 for me… Supreme from Vettel, great scrap between Hammy & Webber, super racing… just a shame Alonso did the swap places thing, then gave up… what’s that all about? Strange…

    1. ran out of fuel and time to have a go.

  19. One of the most infuriatingly disappointing races I’ve ever seen. I feel absolutely foolish for thinking that we might actually see a Formula One race today. Time and time again I hear about “the dirty line”, “Red Bull’s tough on their tyres” and look Hamilton got pole. Nope, doesn’t matter. Vettel just flicks his first lap rocket booster which no one else seems to have and we get a 2011 ‘race’.

    The telling signs of a 2011 ‘race’ are many and varied. First off we have Vettel in the lead by (at the latest) turn 5. We then have our lucky Follower (choose any from Hamilton, Button or rarely Webber) who maintains a steadily increasing gap to the lead. Then we have the Blocker (Most often Webber but sometimes Button) who leads a train of lemming-like cars until the first pit stop. We have the commentators trying to make out like something interesting might happen but really just trying to keep people actually watching the races because otherwise they won’t have a job anymore. And then there’s the audience who either a) try to believe the commentators that something interesting could happen, b) delude themselves into believing a fight between places 2-5 is interesting when in the end it means nothing or c) legitimately enjoy not seeing the leader on camera at all save for pit stops and the final half of the last lap. For examples of 2011 ‘races’, just see the 2011 Australian Grand Prix, the 2011 Malaysian Grand Prix, the 2011 Turkish Grand Prix, the 2011 European Grand Prix, the 2011 Belgian Grand Prix, the 2011 Italian Grand Prix, the 2011 Singaporean Grand Prix and the 2011 Korean Grand Prix.

    I played my DS for the first half of the ‘race’ with the TV in the background, then spent most of the rest of it here in the other room on the computer away from TV and got more enjoyment from watching the live blog than the race. I don’t feel like I missed out on anything of consequence.

    Anyone who even attempts to accuse me of not being ‘a true F1 fan’ is missing the point completely so don’t bother replying. Im a passionate F1 fan. I love the history, and I love racing that means something. All I see in a majority of races at the moment is a patronising joker and a bunch of bumbling fools in the calm air of what was once his wake.

    1. Yep, I agree. At this rate it won’t matter that the Beeb don’t have all of the races next year if it’s just going to be a race for 2nd. If Webber regains his form it’ll be a race for 3rd, as we know Vettel is no. 1 at Red Bull.

      1. Perhaps you could learn to love Lawn tennis? How about Crown Green Bowls?

        1. I don’t see what your comment has to do with my post.

          1. Just suggesting a couple of alternative sports for you cheerful folks… it was for Lachie really… soz about that.

            I’m really enjoying this season… Peace…

          2. @trenthamfolk

            Er, right. I loved this season until it turned into a procession to Vettel’s second championship, but I find it boring if one driver wins too much, it’s not really going to help watching some really boring sports instead! ;-)

    2. Lachie, that was….brilliant

    3. I agree Lachie, there just seems to be no soul to F1 and the constant races with trains of cars lap after lap and the commentators pumping up races to something that never happens is just frustrating. The manufactured DRS is a joke. I want cars to move around on the track, I want driver skill to correct it. I’m sick of drivers settling for a place with 10 laps to go when they are only 2 secs behind. The best racing is always mid pack.

    4. Sadly I felt a bit like that as well this race, although I took more enjoyment from the scrap with Hamilton getting back on Webber and staying in fonr the first few laps.

    5. 1) Vettel wins
      2) Others fight for other spots
      3) Lachie is a true F1 fan
      4) Lachie doesn’t care about other people’s opinions

      Summary of the comment by Lachie if you are not interested in wasting your 2 minutes

      1. lol.. I wish your comment came first then I would not have wasted my 2 minutes.

        Sad sad sad… for some…

        I am lovin it.

      2. I definitely want to hear other people’s opinions but I don’t have any time for anyone who would reply to my post with a simple “Clearly you’re not a true F1 fan” and leave it at that. I’ve seen no end of comments like that whenever anyone dares to comment about how F1 might not be perfect and frankly I equate it to the recent spate of people being called “UnAmerican or UnAustralian” as if that is actually an argument and no further discussion is warranted.

        1. Perhaps you came across as a bit too defensive… If you were’t a true F1 fan, you wouldn’t be on here, right?

          I guess we all enjoy different things about F1… The racing, butting edge technology, the awe inspiring innovation, inter team team/driver rivalry, the thrill of the chase, the politics, the danger, lots of overtaking, telemetry readouts, the pit lane babes (Mmmmmm), seeing their guy win again and again and again. I’m sure Seb fans are having an absolutely amazing F1 season…

          You never know what the next race may bring, and with Bernie at the helm, anything could happen next season…

    6. Just because one driver happens to win a lot doesn’t mean it’s not a race. If you’re that spoilt by 2010 then you aren’t all that passionate, regardless of what you say.

    7. I don’t get what your getting at. Are you mad at the sport, the commentators, or Vettel for getting the best out of most situations?

      It’s not Red Bulls fault Vettel has been so dominant this year (well, OK it is a little) and is mostly able to run and hide after the first few laps. It’s McLaren’s and Ferrari’s fault for not producing a car that enables Alonso, Hamilton and Button to match Vettel an entire year.

      It’s not the rules, it’s not the commentator’s, it’s not Vettel being so dominant. It’s the lack of speed from the rest of the field that has made Vettel’s championship easy.
      Once the cars are comparable in lap times we’ll see close action racing again like we saw in ’07, ’08 and ’09.

      Although I doubt it would satisfy some of the critics here who seem to be satisfied only if there’s at least 16 drivers exchanging the lead over every single lap.

      Furthermore I see a lot of comments on how F1 was better in the old days… Like in ’88 or ’92? Yeah that probably was extremely exciting watching one team (driver, Mansell in 92 had no competition from his teammate) decide whether they wanted another victory or not. Sure in ’88 there was the fight between Senna and Prost but how can that be exciting enough. Just two drivers worth watching and the rest of the grid act as advertisement space. This year has been a lot more exciting than that year.

      F1 has always been the way it is now. At least, it has been since I started watching.
      You’ve got teams who do a great job that make out the top of the field, teams who do a bit worse be it by lack of funds or producing a dodgy car that make out the middle of the pack and then you’ve got the slow cars at the back.
      Occasionally there’s a team who does better than everyone else and steals the titles easily.

      That is F1.

      1. Absolutely brilliant post. Should be COTD.

        1. +1. This has been the best year I can remember for exciting racing.

          The negative posts are from those that having a cry over their driver not winning.

      2. @F1FanNL I’m Magnificent Geoffrey, and I approve this post.

      3. Even during the Schumacher years of dominance we mostly had a two-horse race at the front, often ending controversially.

        It’s not just about seeing lot’s of overtaking etc., I want to see cars fighting for the lead, not for 2nd or 3rd, and certainly not midfield. Great if they do, but not my focal point. I’m not blaming anyone, that’s just what I enjoy in motor racing – a fight for the front, preferably race after race.

        2010 had an exciting championship, but a lot of boring races. 2011 has been the opposite way round, but whatever the reason for Vettel A N Other being able to drive off into the distance, that feeling that the race for the lead is over in the first few laps has occurred with depressing regularity. Of course there are some examples to the contrary.

      4. @F1FanNL Agreed 100%. This is just a year where we’re not going to have a championship battle. That happens every now and then and it certainly has nothing to do with the new rules, it’s just Red Bull have outsmarted everyone. I’m convinced next year will be better. But people should be thankful that we have entertaining racing down the field to entertain us whilst Vettel cruises off into the distance. It would be worse if he dominated every race and the rest of the field all followed him home 10 seconds apart.

        1. Jeez, you’re a hard lot. Am I the only one enjoying F1 this year? Or are you all just cranky from staying up all night?

          1. I’m loving it… makes the wait between races worth it!

  20. It looks as though the amount of overtaking is decreasing. The only passing in the top-6 was by pitstops, once again.

    1. Wait, you watched the race right? Hamilton, Webber, Vettel, Button, Massa, Alonso all made passes on one another.

    2. Pingguest, I saw plenty of overtaking. Perhaps the early start had you napping during the race?

      1. How many times did Webber overtake Hamilton then?

        1. Just the once. But HAM couldn’t shake him and BUT never got within a second for 20 laps even though WEBs concentration was on HAM rather than defending against BUT. A pretty good drive overall.

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