Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Hamilton and Perez given grid penalties

2011 Indian Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011
Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Lewis Hamilton and Sergio Perez have been handed grid penalties for the Indian Grand Prix.

Both drivers will be relegated three places on the grid for Sunday’s race.

The stewards judged both had failed to slow sufficiently when passing double waved yellow flags at the end of the first practice session.

The explanation for the two drivers’ penalties differed slightly. The stewards said Perez, “ignored double waved yellow flags at turn 16 whilst a car was being recovered in close proximity to the track.”

Hamilton’s penalty was for, “ignoring double waved yellow flags at Turn 16 whilst marshalls were in close proximity to the track.”

Both were deemed to have broken appendix H, article of the International Sporting Code. This says that under double waved yellow flags a driver must: “Reduce your speed significantly, do not overtake, and be prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track and/or marshals working on or beside the track.”

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  1. Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!! Is how i just reacted to that headline.

    1. @rob-wilson I don’t think you can argue with the penalties though. If the yellow flags were out and they didn’t back off sufficiently, that’s a straight penalty. Doing so under double waved yellows is more severe.

      As it happens, these are the two drivers who’ve had the most race penalties this year:

      Race penalties

      You think that might make them more circumspect but it seems not.

      1. Whether this penalty is deserved or not, it must be doing hammy’s head in! He can’t seem to take to the track without getting some sort of penalty, i wonder what his reaction was when they told him that, i definitely wouldn’t have wanted to be the one to tell him.

        1. @Rob Wilson – I’m a big Mclaren and Hamilton fan, so when I read the headline initially I felt the same.

          But unfortunately we have all seen how dangerous motorsport is recently, in some tragic circumstances. So the desire to push the boundaries of the regulations and your cars performance for a glory run at the end of FP1, particularly if there were martials near the track, is reckless and pretty pointless as well.

          Another glum weekend to come for Hamilton I imagine.

          1. With the double DRS this should not be a problem.

        2. Haha,Lewis gets the news, runs out into the pitlane ,drops to his knees,rips open his racing suit to show a t-shirt”y always me” then gets another penalty for obstructing the pitlane..haha.. lol come on Lewis u and JB for the win

          1. lol… will pay to see that

      2. Not sure if it was such a clear situation as even the BBC commentators were confused.

        As I was watching the YELLOW disappeared from clock and live timing prior to Hamilton starting the final sector.

        Therefore you can question is a single marshall waving flags compared to central system indicating clean track is not conflicting information.

        THere is no gain at all for a driver not to slow down in practice 1 so do not see Perze nor Hamilton having done this deliberaretly and likely were incorrect advised or confused by conflicting info.

        1. It seems @jelle-van-der-meer, that the biggest trouble for the commetators was, that FOM did not show what happened and the timing screens were inconclusive.

          But if a marshall is waving double yellows, its just short of a red flag. Now that is something any driver should take seriously any time.

        2. @jelle-van-der-meer … It seems to me that if they were confused by conflicted information, the last thing they’d do is speed up.

          I do, however, think the grid penalty is pushing it slightly. I think these are the first ‘3-place’ penalties to be given out since the new Quali system, does anyone know when the last ‘3-place’ penalty was given? I’ve got an imaginary cookie for anyone who answers correctly..

          Of course, I don’t know the answer, but I’m sure someone can look it up for me :P

      3. We need more information, before making a judgement on whether either driver needed to be more circumspect. Most people (myself included) may not have seen anything to do with the incident.

        1.) Sector times on the lap in question, and a comparison to the fastest sectors he did during the session.

        2.) Preferably some video evidence of the incident(s) – was there any conflicting information, as has been suggested by some (marshall waving yellows, onboard system turned green)?

        Obviously the penalty stands either way, but that doesn’t mean we can’t discuss how deserved it was. That can only be done with some decent evidence at our disposal, otherwise it will always degenerate into “Hamilton sucks” vs “Hamiton is persecuted”.

        1. Having now watched it, I’m in a better position to answer myself!

          Was it a penalty?

          Yes, by the letter of the law what Hamilton did broke the rules.

          Can he feel hard done by?

          I think so, having seen the footage. There’s a good chance he never saw the yellow flags, especially as the track light was green at the end of the same straight and the in-car warning had gone.

          If he saw the yellows, then it was a bit stupid. If he didn’t, he was just plain unlucky – his previous penalty count is also irrelevant.

      4. Keith. What about in Aus when MSC continued to fly round under a red flag and didn’t recieve any penalty? Reprimand at most I think, especially for Ham as the electronic Yellows had gone

      5. Wait Keith – Surely button should get a penalty too for overtaking another car whilst in the waved yellow-flagged zone??

        Button blatently broke the rule and then he as usual jumps on the radio to make out that someone was trying to kill him – and then also his buddies in the bbc 5 live crew also started to grovel to johnny herbert to let jenson off.

        He shouldve been investigated and this whole steward inconsistancy thing stinks as usual.

        Also keith why have you not made any mention of the confusion of yellow flags and the green light situation?
        -Its not exactly telling the full story is is?

        Even you & the rules have said it above yourself:
        “…appendix H, article of the International Sporting Code. This says that under double waved yellow flags a driver must: “Reduce your speed significantly, do not overtake, and be prepared to change direction or stop”.

        …please note again where it says: “….DO NOT OVERTAKE”!

        …unbelievable how a very few get carried by friends in high places.

        NO consistancies whatsoever!

        1. You did watch P1, right? If Button was going, and I’m making up numbers here, 150mph, the HRT he passed was going 50mph and still slowing down.

          Yes, Button passed the HRT, granted. But the HRT is not the safety car, and short of slamming on the brakes, throwing out an anchor, dragging his feet, and intentionally running into a wall, he wasn’t going to be able to NOT pass in that specific situation.

          I suspect the stewards noticed that.

        2. SupaSix…..this video seems to support your opinion regarding Button, and the confusion with the use of green lights, and yellow flags.

          I also would like to know, why were the double flags even being waved at Lewis, even after Maladanado’s car was removed?


    2. On the BBC even the commentators sounded confused. I heard them saying the green light was on even though the double yellows were being waved. I really would like to hear more about this… it just doesn’t seem as cut & dry as it sounds.

      1. IceIcePenguin
        28th October 2011, 11:24

        1) The possible cause can be written down to “it’s India”. Everybody warned us about the chaos.
        2) Whenever the yellows pop up somewhere, I’m guessing the guys at the paddock should be well aware of the fact thus delivering the info to the driver stat
        3) Probably that lovely smoke for good old Bob minutes before the practice didn’t go too well for Lewis

  2. This is typical. The stewards must have something against him. He always seems to be the one getting penalties and I’m sick of it.

    Oh, and I’m sure Hamilton won’t be too pleased either.

    1. I am now genuinely starting to think they actually have something against him, before was all fun and games but now it’s getting ridiculous.

      1. I agree, the stewards are clearly pushing their anti-mexican regime on him

      2. You break the rules, you suffer the consequences. Don’t really know why everyone is up in arms about it, stupid mistake from both drivers. A bit of common sense would have told you just to slow down a little. After all,this is FP1, not Q3…

        1. Why are the team escaping criticism? Double waved yellows on the last lap of free practice why the hell wouldn’t you just tell the drivers to box?

          1. exactly

        2. LOL if you see a sign than is flashing green and have a guy waving 2 flags in 90′ on the same place, unfair to get a penetly for that. why turn your head to the side to watch if there is a yellow flag if you have a green light in the car and on the track

        3. @f1rank Thank you, some people have sense here..

    2. Guys (@magnificent-geoffrey, @rob-wilson), just read the extra information.

      “ignoring double waved yellow flags at Turn 16 whilst marshalls were in close proximity to the track.”

      is a really serious matter, not just something to disagree on.

      I can fully get its sometimes hard to see a yellow in time to sufficiently slow down. But failing to spot there’s actual marshalls there and double yellows being waved?

      I think its perfectly OK they receive this penalty.

      1. I think the penalty is harsh, Ive looked at this from all the angels I can find and at no point can I see a car or a marshall near the track. Therefore why was the marshall waving double yellows when the track was declared green!!!

        1. That’s besides the point – the flags were being waved, therefore you have to slow down.

          It’s not up to a driver to decide whether they should slow down, the flags are an instruction to do so and they have to obey it.

          1. I agree. Im just saying that maybe the Marshall also has something to answer to here. they can’t just wave their flags for no reason.

            Maybe thats why they got a 3 place penalty instead of the normal 5 place penalty.

          2. Jenson surely passed during waved yellow flags.

    3. Yea, Johnny Herbet has a long standing hatred of Hamilton…

      C’mon! It’s Herbert! He’ll understand the bad luck that Hamilton is going through better than anyone, so if Hamilton got the penalty it was deserved.

      1. @Huron Wait, I’m talking about Perez – he always seems to get penalties!

      2. It looks like Herbert has done Lewis a HUGE favour. If Lewis gets a reprimand instead of a 3 grid penalty it would be His 3rd which carries a bigger grid penalty

    4. Actually, this is probably the most clear cut of all the penalties and reprimands he’s received this season.

      1. @graham228221 He was talking about Perez.

        1. @KeithCollantine and it’s been a long week :(

    5. LOL.

      I was talking about Perez and trying to be satirical, but I don’t think it’s worked!

      I don’t actually think the penality’s unfair, I’m just trying to have a joke at Hamilton’s expense.

      Maybe Keith should delete that comment.

      1. He shouldn’t, it was very funny, especially after the replies. :)

        Silly discussion. I’m not one of those thinking Hamilton is treated differently, but while discussion is sometimes justified, this is simply a no brainer.

    6. Im really sick of it too Geof,But i didnt see the incident because i didnt watch FP1(sleeping) so i cant point fingers although im with you,Really Frustrated!!!

    7. Ha! That joke clearly went over everyones head :P

      1. @Magnificent-Geof should change his avatar to this, now! :P

        1. Oops, caught out by his Twitter name!

    8. @Magnificent-Geoffrey Until I read that last sentence I was convinced someone had hacked your account!

    9. This penalty ruins both’s races – but it is deserved.

  3. When was the last time someone got a 3-place grid penalty? Don’t they usually go for 5?

    1. @supernicebob I think Heidfeld had one at Singapore, possibly in 2008.

      1. I thought it seemed a bit of an unusual number, but it looks like the standard penalty for impeding someone in qualifying.

        Buemi got one at Belgium last year apparently. Seems all the penalties I can find for ignoring yellow flags are 5 places. Consistency still a big issue for stewarding in F1.

      2. Heidfeld got a three place penalty at China later that year also.

    2. I think they should also fine the driver/team for something as dangerous as what’s happen.

      I am struggling with my opinion on this though, if the marshalls were on track and he didn’t lift off then fine I can accept it. But what is a confusing thing for me is why the light wasn’t on his steering wheel (or have I missed something?), showing him that there’s a yellow flag out. If he was in the zone, he could of easily missed yellow flags being shown as he wouldn’t of been keeping an eye out for them with the yellow flag light off.

  4. This is just ridicilous..

    1. Nothing ridiculous about it. Double waved yellows mean you back off, not set the fastest lap.

    2. Exactly. Its just rediculous for any race driver to ignore seeing people working on a car right next to the track and double yellows being waved.

      1. I wonder if he was told the track was clear by the team, as timing showed. Still no excuse.

      2. BasCB….When Hamilton was penalized during his last flying lap,………Malanado’s car was gone, and their were no people working on the car, because both the track workers and Maldanado’ car were gone….gone when Lewis came through.


    3. @dam00r Why? You don’t back off when you go through yellow flags, you get a penalty, we all know that.

      So does Hamilton and he’s not complaining about it.

      1. so…tv presenters announce end of yellow flags

        yellow warning lights turn to green

        marshal way off the edge of track, hiding behind a fence waves his flags poorly, facing near vertical

        …and you expect lewis to see it?

        do you think every driver should drive around looking 20 meters away from the track just incase some one chooses to wave a flag around or should they keep their eyes on the track?

        surley its clear the way the marshals are positioned and acting is dangerous…no?

        surley if marshals are going to go close to the track in a non-emergancy situation they should radio race control and yellow flag the session…no?

        1. …and you expect lewis to see it?


          That’s what they’re there for. That’s why they’re bright yellow. That’s why they’ve been using them in motor racing for decades.

          I doubt he could hear the ‘TV presenters’ very well though.

          1. but you have clearly missed the point keith,

            watch it again…is the marshal and flag NOT a long way off track? is the flag NOT hard to see…especially when travelling that fast sitting that low?

            has the session NOT been restarted?

            the yellow lights didn’t cancel them selves did they? the marshals MUST canclled them and green lighted the session

            to be quite frank I am shocked you are just ignoring this keith

            surley marshals on the track when race controll were obviously not aware of it is very dangerous indeed…no?

            sorry if you think im arguing for arguments sake but how can all this be ignored?

            as someone else said…lewis had nothing to gain from this, he didn’t sudenly think i’ll go get a penalty now because im bored driving this slowly past these yellow flags

            clearly he was not aware of it was he

            clearly if he’s not aware of it and neither are race control then it dangerous…no

            lewis getting a penalty or not doesn’t even come into it does it

            the marshals are clearly failing at their job…that’s the story here

          2. has the session NOT been restarted?

            The session had not been stopped at this point.

            I don’t see what’s so hard to understand. There was a yellow flag where the danger zone began and a green light where it ended. Hamilton and Perez failed to slow sufficiently between the two.

            As for “Hamilton had nothing to gain” – of course he did. He wanted to get another quick lap in at the end of the session for testing purposes. Otherwise he wouldn’t have been on the track, would he?

          3. if yellow flags are so great they have been used in motor racing and are always clearly visible…

            why do they now have lights on the steering wheel…which were turned off?

          4. @the-edge To supplement the flags and increase the chance of drivers seeing the warnings. They do not make the flags redundant. That’s why the rules refer to the flags.

          5. There were NO flags when Hamilton came onto that stretch of the track (straight). It was a single yellow just before Hamilton past it and double when he was about level. No as clear cut as I first though. Very poor Marshalling.

            Still a penalty though, as strictly speaking he past a double waved yellow and set his fastest lap.

          6. Hehe, has anyone else noticed that over time, Keith’s replies to comments have become increasingly sarcy? :P

  5. There were yellow flags waving, a penalty is in order. Lewis fan (like myself) or not, those are the rules and that’s that. I really hope this comments section doesn’t go on & on into multiple pages!

  6. Such a **** take! I hope he nails pole tomorrow in Quali just to show he could have

    1. @mcgreski – there were marshalls on the circuit when Hamilton set that time. What would be a more-appropriate response to that?

      Hamilton got off lightly.

      1. only reprimand perhaps?

        1. The stewards have always given grid penalties for driver being too fast under yellow flags. They penalized many drivers at Japan 2009 for the same reason.

        2. To go along the millions of reprimands he already has? Perez gets himself into quite a bit of trouble, too.

        3. Which would have been his 3rd repremand of the season & as a result he’d have got an even bigger penalty.

          The FIA are running a 3 strike rule now, You get 3 repremand’s in a season & you get a (10-spot?) grid penalty, You get a further repremand & you get a 1 race ban.

  7. Lewis keeps getting penalized because he keeps making mistakes. Simple as that.

  8. Rules are rules. It’s fair. If it was Glock and Trulli we would not complain, so the same applies to the rest of the drivers on the grid. Simple as A,B,C.

  9. Shocking. They’ve got something against Hamilton, I’m sure of it. This was only free practice, jesus…

    1. Whether its free practice, qualifying or the race if the stewards are on the track and the flags are being waved then the rules say back off.

    2. Marshalls can end up just as dead in free practice as they would on race day.

    3. In Hungary 2006, Schumacher got a 10 place penalty for passing g under yellows.

      1. Actually Schumacher got two seconds deducted from his beat times in each quali session, and I think he overtook cars under red flag conditions.

        1. Oh, yes, you’re right about that.

    4. They’ve got something against Hamilton

      It is hard to judge this situation about the penalty. Both drivers could have got away with it easily, and im sure some have in the past, but they didn’t.

      However, you don’t just get penalized all the time for being a good boy and obeying the rules. Trust me. If you think you do, then why don’t you try it with some aspect of everyday life and see what happens. To add to that, the more penalties you have the more likely you the center of attention to the stewards.

    5. @dryyoshi

      hey’ve got something against Hamilton, I’m sure of it.

      I’m so bored of hearing this now. I don’t see any reason to believe they’ve got something against Hamilton.

      The majority of his penalties this year have been indisputably deserved, and this is another one.

      I thought maybe he was a bit unlucky in Monaco (in the race), but that’s it. The weaving in Malaysia, forcing Di Resta to take avoiding action in Hungary, hitting Massa in Singapore – these were all pretty clear-cut.

      1. I though the rules prevented you from making more than 1 move to block some one from over taking…nothing about weaving

        lewis was moving OUT of the guys way in malaysia and the other guy kept following him no?

        now scumacher at…was it spa?…that was illegal AND he crowded lewis of the track…penalty? I think not

        sorry if you bored of hearing how the stewards have it in for lewis…maybe you should take it up with them though, cos something sure stinks here

        1. I though the rules prevented you from making more than 1 move to block some one from over taking…nothing about weaving

          More than one move to block is considered weaving.

        2. At Malaysia 2010 with Petrov, his explanation was that he was “breaking the tow”. He wasn’t punished. This year, he weaved to block Alonso and was punished (much like FA being penalised for hitting LH).

          At Monza, Schumacher made the legal onemove, and regained the racing line. No penalty was applied, which was correct, although the FIA have since clarified the rules about leaving room when you regain the racing line.

        3. Regarding Malaysia, Hamilton was specifically told last year not to repeat his weaving.

          But he did it again this year, and he got a penalty. How can anyone possibly have a problem with that?

          What Schumacher did at Monza (not Spa) was not the same. Hamilton deviated from the racing line twice to defend his position, Schumacher did so once. That’s why Hamilton got a penalty and Schumacher didn’t. All of which I explained at the time.

          1. beg your pardon…i did mean MONZA

            and for the record schue didn’t get a penalty cos the stewards denied seeing it


            your words not mine

          2. @the-edge There are three stewards in the room, not one, plus the race director. It’s by no means a given that Schumacher would have had a penalty under some different circumstances.

            Besides which, this is a red herring as far as the Hamilton argument goes.

            We’re talking about the difference between making two moves away from the racing line versus making one. Schumacher’s driving at Monza was contentious because some felt he did not give Hamilton sufficient room after making one move. But he clearly never made two moves – that was never an issue – and that’s what Hamilton was penalised for in Malaysia.

  10. not happy but thats the rules i suppose they just want ot be the fastest!!

  11. All you Lewis Hamilton fans should be quiet about this penalty.

    If he didn’t slow down enough as EVERY other driver did excluding Perez then thats his fault. The rule is there for a reason.

    Only himself to blame..

    1. EVERY other driver did excluding Perez. Well then thats not EVERY other driver then is it?

      That assumes EVERY other driver was on track and EVERY other driver was going past that area at the time, and EVERY other driver were on a fast lap.

      1. Perez also got a penalty, and there were marshalls very near the track for goodness sake, a penalty for actually speeding up in those conditions is fully deserved for both drivers.
        Why is it so hard for Hamilton fans to accept that he sometimes just makes mistakes?

  12. Why wasn’t Vettel given a penalty 2 weeks ago for ignoring a blatant rule. Seems to me that more drivers are equal than others.

    1. It’s a safety thing – Lewis and Sergio were potentially endangering marshalls

    2. @realstig What would that be then?

      1. Vettel cut a corner in Korea during qualy. This after having been explicitly warned against doing so.

        1. @realstig The stewards investigated it, they concluded no advantage was gained and no breach of the rules occurred.

          There was clearly no safety risk in what he did, unlike what Hamilton and Perez did today.

          1. if no advantage was gained, why did he do it?

          2. …and LH didn’t get any advantage from what he did today

          3. Of course there was an advantage gained, he wouldn’t have made it back to the pits in time to set his final lap if he didn’t cut the course.

          4. That not what the stewards said and the times from qualifying seem to support them.

            @realstig Even if that were true the point is that what Hamilton and Perez did was a clear safety risk. What they are expected to do is specifically written down in the international sporting code.

        2. Advantage or otherwise, Lewis failed to slow down with marshalls in close proximity to the track…

          1. i think @realstig ‘s point was that whether an advantage was gained or not, he did it for a reason

            that reason was because he didn’t think he would have time to get back to the pits to do another lap if he didn’t

            therefore he broke the rules even if he didn’t have to


            he didn’t break the rules cos no advantage was gained

            that is unless you think he just wanted to destroy his tyres, as Brundle pointed out…driving through there was akin to driving over central reservation chevrons

  13. not fair on Perez, he does not deserve this dunno what must be going through his mind… ridiculous penalty.. come on he jus a kid!!!

    1. He’s a professional racing driver at the highest level. Even amateurs competing at the lowest levels of club racing are required to know about yellow flags.

  14. Oh sodding mouth breathers! LEWIS! WILL YOU STOP IT NOW PLEASE? 50% of his bad season has been bad luck, but 50% has definatley been these burst impetuosity. Sometimes the boy does his talent no favours.

    1. Sadly that’s very true. It’s difficult to argue against some of the steward decisions when he’s making needless and dangerous mistakes like this (by the sounds of it). Totally support the penalty, risking stewards lives is too serious.

      1. risking stewards lives is too serious.

        marshals I mean! not suggesting he’ll be taking his McLaren with him into the next meeting

    2. Lewis will be able to make a heap of lemonade with all the lemons he’s been getting lately.

  15. Typical Hamilton and typical Hamilton fans, if he didnt break the rules he wouldnt get the penalties. These flags are there for a reason SAFTEY he has a tribute to simoncelli on his helmet, its about time Hamilton gave a bit of respect to Formula 1, its rules and safety.

    1. Well said. I’m a huge Lewis fan but this is an open & shut case. Problem is that most people are fanatics – their guy us the best and can do no wrong!

    2. Was his helmet not Bob Marley? I thought it was Marley rather than Simoncelli

      1. youre right, my mistake.

    3. @sprks1 It’s Bob Marley, not Marco Simoncelli.

      1. I can accept my mistakes, shame a certain driver cant.

        1. That’s why ur not a driver…..

          1. Maybe, but other top drivers don’t make so many mistakes in the first place.

      2. No woman, No cry Lewis! ko

  16. Anthony Davidson on 5 live sports extra says the light on Hamilton’s dashboard signifying a yellow flag would have been switched off by that point, and that there was still a green light on the track, so any punishment would be harsh on the 2008 world champ. If this is the case maybe harsh although he has received numerous warnings in the last few years so should be cautious. I would love to see the onboard footage to see how clear the flags were as it seems Lewis passed the sector at the end of the incident.

  17. Not the biggest fan of Hamilton, but would still say this penalty was harsh. It was just free practice and no incident occurred.
    In previous races, penalties have been given keeping in mind how much the other driver was hurt due to the offending driver’s actions.
    Eg: Schumi got no penalty for driving into the back of Perez (who wasn’t affected by the crash) whereas Hamilton got one for driving into Felipe (who got a puncture).

    Here, Hamilton’s action did not affect anyone, he shouldn’t have got a penalty.

    1. It would set a dangerous precedent if drivers were not penalised for not slowing down when yellow flags were waved. With marshals working on or near the track it’s simply an unacceptable safety risk for drivers to be pushing their cars. If drivers know that they won’t get punished for ignoring yellow flags, then they will have less reason to slow for them. Surely you can’t be suggesting that we should wait until a marshal is injured or worse, killed, before penalising a driver?

  18. David Livingstone
    28th October 2011, 9:28


    This is exactly why you need to slow down dramatically under double waved yellows. To me, this incident is if anything exacerbated by the fact that it was in practice. His head clearly wasn’t in the game; nobody gets points on a friday.

    To anyone that believes that they’re “out to get” Hamilton – just listen to the BBC commentary team. Staunch Hamilton supporters and even they were questioning this at the time.

    Open and shut case of careless driving.

  19. Colin williams
    28th October 2011, 9:29

    I’m at work so haven’t been looking at the lap times. Did Hammy set his fastest third sector time on that final lap. If he did purple times in sectors one and two and then didnt improve his third sector then surly that shows he slowed down but if he purpled the third sector then the penalty is correct.

    1. Colin,
      Just becuase a driver didn’t set their fastest sector time doesn’t mean they slowed down enough for the double waiving yellow. I’ve raced for years, when you see double waving yellow, it’s not a matter of slowing down to 95% pace, but more like 50-70%. A lap where you have this situation automatically becomes a lap you throw away, solely for the safety of the marshalls. These guys aren’t wearing much safety gear… they need to be treated with this utmost respect and care.

  20. Hamilton was unlucky to get a penalty, but also lucky with only getting a 3 place penalty.

    1 Question though Keith: How will this work in the predictions championship? Do we get the points for the person Starting on pole? Or for the person who Qualifies on pole (by that i mean getting the fastest Q3 time and not “starting” on pole) regardless of penalties applied afterwards?

    1. It’s pole sitter, i.e. whoever actually starts on pole position. So definitely not Hamilton, Perez or Petrov!

      1. Thanks for the question @f1george and thanks for the answer @keithcollantine!

      2. You never know, all the other runners could get grid penalties before Sunday morning too!

        1. That’s true, actually, let’s see if we get any more penalties. Though I hope we don’t or it’s going to get as confusing as Suzuka ’09.

        2. interesting…

          when you put a bet on at the bookies you can’t bet on pole position…t is worded ”fastest Q3 lap time”

          1. @keithcollantine If say a mass amount of people say selected Vettel for pole (90% of predictions) but recieved a penalty after qualifying would the pole position point haul be abolished for the weekend or would the minority still get the points.

          2. @formula-1 That’s explained here:

            Who will win the first Indian Grand Prix? Make your predictions (Post any further questions on the Predictions Championship there)

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