Hamilton and Perez given grid penalties

2011 Indian Grand Prix

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Lewis Hamilton and Sergio Perez have been handed grid penalties for the Indian Grand Prix.

Both drivers will be relegated three places on the grid for Sunday’s race.

The stewards judged both had failed to slow sufficiently when passing double waved yellow flags at the end of the first practice session.

The explanation for the two drivers’ penalties differed slightly. The stewards said Perez, “ignored double waved yellow flags at turn 16 whilst a car was being recovered in close proximity to the track.”

Hamilton’s penalty was for, “ignoring double waved yellow flags at Turn 16 whilst marshalls were in close proximity to the track.”

Both were deemed to have broken appendix H, article 2.4.5.1(b) of the International Sporting Code. This says that under double waved yellow flags a driver must: “Reduce your speed significantly, do not overtake, and be prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track and/or marshals working on or beside the track.”

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224 comments on Hamilton and Perez given grid penalties

  1. charliewatts55 (@charliewatts55) said on 28th October 2011, 9:23

    Anthony Davidson on 5 live sports extra says the light on Hamilton’s dashboard signifying a yellow flag would have been switched off by that point, and that there was still a green light on the track, so any punishment would be harsh on the 2008 world champ. If this is the case maybe harsh although he has received numerous warnings in the last few years so should be cautious. I would love to see the onboard footage to see how clear the flags were as it seems Lewis passed the sector at the end of the incident.

  2. sumedh said on 28th October 2011, 9:26

    Not the biggest fan of Hamilton, but would still say this penalty was harsh. It was just free practice and no incident occurred.
    In previous races, penalties have been given keeping in mind how much the other driver was hurt due to the offending driver’s actions.
    Eg: Schumi got no penalty for driving into the back of Perez (who wasn’t affected by the crash) whereas Hamilton got one for driving into Felipe (who got a puncture).

    Here, Hamilton’s action did not affect anyone, he shouldn’t have got a penalty.

    • Puffy (@puffy) said on 28th October 2011, 9:55

      It would set a dangerous precedent if drivers were not penalised for not slowing down when yellow flags were waved. With marshals working on or near the track it’s simply an unacceptable safety risk for drivers to be pushing their cars. If drivers know that they won’t get punished for ignoring yellow flags, then they will have less reason to slow for them. Surely you can’t be suggesting that we should wait until a marshal is injured or worse, killed, before penalising a driver?

  3. David Livingstone said on 28th October 2011, 9:28

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWq8zH5GjA0&feature=related

    This is exactly why you need to slow down dramatically under double waved yellows. To me, this incident is if anything exacerbated by the fact that it was in practice. His head clearly wasn’t in the game; nobody gets points on a friday.

    To anyone that believes that they’re “out to get” Hamilton – just listen to the BBC commentary team. Staunch Hamilton supporters and even they were questioning this at the time.

    Open and shut case of careless driving.

  4. Colin williams said on 28th October 2011, 9:29

    I’m at work so haven’t been looking at the lap times. Did Hammy set his fastest third sector time on that final lap. If he did purple times in sectors one and two and then didnt improve his third sector then surly that shows he slowed down but if he purpled the third sector then the penalty is correct.

    • Snobeck said on 28th October 2011, 18:00

      Colin,
      Just becuase a driver didn’t set their fastest sector time doesn’t mean they slowed down enough for the double waiving yellow. I’ve raced for years, when you see double waving yellow, it’s not a matter of slowing down to 95% pace, but more like 50-70%. A lap where you have this situation automatically becomes a lap you throw away, solely for the safety of the marshalls. These guys aren’t wearing much safety gear… they need to be treated with this utmost respect and care.

  5. F1George (@f1george) said on 28th October 2011, 9:34

    Hamilton was unlucky to get a penalty, but also lucky with only getting a 3 place penalty.

    1 Question though Keith: How will this work in the predictions championship? Do we get the points for the person Starting on pole? Or for the person who Qualifies on pole (by that i mean getting the fastest Q3 time and not “starting” on pole) regardless of penalties applied afterwards?

  6. Theoddkiwi (@theoddkiwi) said on 28th October 2011, 9:34

    Its interesting that with todays technology, they rely on what time they set in the sector.

    Surely it would be fairer to get the telementry from that moment to judge it someone did not back off.

    Didnt both Button and hamilton get penalised for the same thing in Spain even though their telementry showed they both backed off.

    • Puffy (@puffy) said on 28th October 2011, 10:04

      It’s not just whether they backed off, it’s whether they backed of sufficiently. If they go on to set the best time, then it’s pretty hard to argue that they backed off sufficiently.

  7. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 28th October 2011, 9:35

    To all the people who are enraged that Hamilton got a penalty: how would you feel if this infraction had been committed by, say, Narain Karthikeyan? A recent amendment to the FIA sporting code – for all FIA-sanctioned championships – states that double-waved yellow flags will be shown if and when marshalls are on the circuit. When double-waved yellow flags are shown, drivers should slow down and be prepared to stop without warning. Instead, Hamilton (and Perez) set his fastest lap time when those flags were shown. How could the stewards not penalise him for that? Every other driver managed to respect the flags, so why should Hamilton be any different?

  8. Oliver said on 28th October 2011, 9:41

    Hamilton and Maldonado had different incidents. In Maldonado’s case it happened much earlier no arguments. But in Hamilton’s case, the car had been recovered and he had got the green lights then he suddenly met waved yellows which is rather odd.
    Now I am not saying Lewis doesn’t deserve a penalty, but one driver completely ignored the flags while the car was still unrecovered, the other driver got the all clear green lights with no car on te track then still met yellow flags.

  9. martin (@marti) said on 28th October 2011, 10:00

    Haha,Lewis gets the news, runs out into the pitlane ,drops to his knees,rips open his racing suit to show a t-shirt”y always me” then gets another penalty for obstructing the pitlane..haha.. lol come on Lewis u and JB for the win.. love the Hamilton.haters and supporters, you all make this the best f1 forum on the net.. love.all your.comments.

  10. kenneth Ntulume said on 28th October 2011, 10:15

    Its VERY VERY clear, Lewis Hamilton will more likely to be penalized for a mistake, than any other driver on the grid, why????several possibilities…..
    But u cant rule out a form of prejudice……………
    So many mistakes are made, but more often other drivers are likely to get the benefit of doubt, consideration, understanding and kindness.
    Lewis should take no chances, make no mistakes because no favors from stewards. Stop this nonsense that luck is not on his side….

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2011, 10:28

      Perez has had almost as many penalties as Hamilton and I don’t see you complaining about those.

      Hamilton clearly deserved a penalty here. And I don’t think there have been many instances this year where he’s got a penalty and not deserved it.

      If you’re going to make accusations of “prejudice” you better have something to back it up, and I doubt you do.

      • kenneth Ntulume said on 28th October 2011, 10:39

        Prejudice is an act that is both overt as well as passive…
        In this case the prejudice towards Hamilton is, not receiving as much understanding and “forgiveness” or favorable investigations, as other drivers that make mistakes or go against rules and get away with it…..

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 28th October 2011, 12:36

          The stewards are prejudiced against Perez, as they gave him a penalty as well. In fact, they are prejudiced against Schumacher as well, as he got a penalty for passing under yellow flags in Hungary, 2006.

          Or maybe passing under yellows is just a punishable offence?

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2011, 13:27

          Kenneth – So who are these mystery other drivers who’ve been speeding past double waved yellow flags and getting away with it?

          • Oliver said on 28th October 2011, 20:50

            Keith,
            Hamilton’s incident is very different from Perez.
            Perez had his incident about 2mins before Hamilton.
            If a driver receives the all clear, and races out of a corner, he meets a yellow flag at the end of the road, way off his line of vision.
            The FIA should take some responsibility for this also, why show a driver a green light when the very incident that brought out the yellow flags, hasn’t received the all clear.

  11. Superted666 (@superted666) said on 28th October 2011, 10:22

    Question, has this situation popped up in say the last three years?

    Seeing as we had too fairly similar incidents (perez & ham) in one session then one would presume we see this thing occasionally. As such i would expect if the penalty is fair as people suggest that this penalty has been implemented on other prior occasions.

    So, is this the first time this has ever happened? I doubt it, what happened the last time this took place?

  12. SafirXP said on 28th October 2011, 10:26

    Suzuka 2009, Both Rubens & JB got penalties during Q3 I think. Didn’t slow down enough between 130R and Spoon.

  13. why was the light on green at the last corner? and watching it, it seems that
    flags weren’t really waving — hard to see from the TV, it seems halfway from
    being withdrawn.

    • Dizzy said on 28th October 2011, 13:23

      Because the green light was signaling the end of the yellow flag zone.

      The yellow will be displayed at the marshall point before the point of incident & the green flag at the marshall post at the point where the track is clear.

      The green light was been displayed at the marshall post at the final corner which was the point at which the track was clear.

      • Oliver said on 28th October 2011, 20:54

        But the Yellow flags were being waved at the end of the straight where the driver is already braking and from an angle even I with a birds eye view found difficult to locate.
        In waving the yellow flags, I assumed the flags were to be waved before the point of incident, to alert the drive to approach with caution, and not to to be waved at exactly the point of an incident, when a driver has already met whatever it is he should be made aware of.

  14. John H (@john-h) said on 28th October 2011, 10:46

    I haven’t seen it but it does sound deserved for both drivers. Doesn’t matter that much with DRS anyway. We have seen starts become less dramatic and important this season because drivers play the long game.

  15. Marauder (@marauder) said on 28th October 2011, 10:46

    Rules are there to be obeyed, not flaunted nor ignored, especially where on-track Marshalls are concerned. Lewis took it on the chin with brevity, so should the posters and ‘conspiracy-theorists’. Lewis for the win on Sunday!!

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