Hamilton and Perez given grid penalties

2011 Indian Grand Prix

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Lewis Hamilton and Sergio Perez have been handed grid penalties for the Indian Grand Prix.

Both drivers will be relegated three places on the grid for Sunday’s race.

The stewards judged both had failed to slow sufficiently when passing double waved yellow flags at the end of the first practice session.

The explanation for the two drivers’ penalties differed slightly. The stewards said Perez, “ignored double waved yellow flags at turn 16 whilst a car was being recovered in close proximity to the track.”

Hamilton’s penalty was for, “ignoring double waved yellow flags at Turn 16 whilst marshalls were in close proximity to the track.”

Both were deemed to have broken appendix H, article 2.4.5.1(b) of the International Sporting Code. This says that under double waved yellow flags a driver must: “Reduce your speed significantly, do not overtake, and be prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track and/or marshals working on or beside the track.”

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224 comments on Hamilton and Perez given grid penalties

  1. Nigelb said on 28th October 2011, 16:36

    Actually Keith, if you read the stewards rulings, it wasn’t ‘exactly the same thing’. The car was still being recovered when Perez passed.
    Not to say that Hamilton shouldn’t have the penalty – just that he was a little more unlucky than Perez (who certainly saw no green light).

  2. 5150 (@) said on 28th October 2011, 17:14

    Hamilton should be banned for at least 2 races. This is just plain stupid of him. He has to calm down. Please don’t give that “pure racing drivrer” bs.
    This is too much. Every second race he’s involved in incident. Most of were totally his fault.
    Stupid. Plain, clean and simple.
    And I like him ( as a driver) :)

    Peace

  3. Joey-Poey (@joey-poey) said on 28th October 2011, 17:42

    quick question: should we make our predictions for where they’ll end up PRIOR to the penalties or AFTER they receive them? It’s like to make a difference in Hamilton’s case.

  4. The Edge (@the-edge) said on 28th October 2011, 17:46

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT-Mhtl-ZmI

    interesting…i’m sure he goes to say i d (idn’t see them) – then quickly changes to i used DRS under waved yellows

    accepts blame? sure – means it? i think not

    poor lewis toeing the line again…good on him

    • lewymp4 (@lewymp4) said on 28th October 2011, 21:16

      If anybody who should have received a penalty it was Jenson, because he passed under double waved yellow flags, while Maldanado’s car was still on the hook, with workers by it’s side. When Lewis passed by in the same area in which he received his penalty, both Maldanado’s car and the workers are gone.

      http://vimeo.com/31262768

  5. PJA (@pja) said on 28th October 2011, 17:49

    I can’t believe some posters on here are complaining about Hamilton’s penalty and saying it was only practice so he should have been let off.

    If there were mitigating circumstances he wouldn’t have received any penalty or it would have been appealed, but Hamilton himself has accepted the penalty and said he was in the wrong and it was all his own fault.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95731

    It doesn’t matter if it is free practice, qualifying or the race the cars are still going fast and if there are yellow flags it is for a good reason, it is one thing risking your own life but another thing entirely putting other people’s safety at risk.

    I am only surprised it was a three place grid penalty as they usually seem to be at least a five place penalty.

  6. Snobeck said on 28th October 2011, 18:23

    Very clear cut. This is not about someone being out to get Lewis; this is all about the safety of the marshals, nothing more. Coming from a racing/instructing background, when you see a double yellow, you slow down significantly (think ~70% pace – give or take), regardless of whether it’s during practice, qualifying, or the race (a marshall can die just the same in any of those sessions). Further, it is the drivers responsibility to watch for the flags; even if the dash is reading “green”; a waiving flag (esp. combined with a marshal in close proximity to the track) takes precidence. I’ve heard many fellow drivers argue “they just didn’t see a flag” but that’s still no excuse; it doesn’t change the fact that the marshals werew in danger.

    Can we all please stop arguing now.

    • The Edge (@the-edge) said on 28th October 2011, 18:43

      @snobeck you are correct this is very serious

      is it not therefore of serious concern that

      a/ marshals were allowed on track whilst race control were not either aware of it or were failing to show the correct track conditions to drivers

      b/ the marshals were not showing the correct flags?

      http://ergouk.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/Ham_pen1.gif

      seems like serious breaches of safety on the behalf of FIA…perhaps a penalty is called for…maybe a 50,000,000 fine no?

    • BBT (@bbt) said on 28th October 2011, 20:27

      I originally thought it was clear cut and that was my stance, but I hate it when people don’t look at the facts, I missed the end of FP2 so watched it later I also watched FP1 again when I noticed there were no yellow flags where the car was being recovered.

      As Hamilton approached suddenly a single yellow was half heartedly waved (he was almost on the marshal point when it appeared), when he was level (possibly passed) it became a more frantic double yellow, it is very likely that no driver could have seen that given Hamilton’s track position when it belatedly appeared. That people, is the facts (unless there were double yellows in the preceding corner, although I have reason the believe there were not any)

      It WAS NOT as clear cut as I originally thought, and anyone that says it was clear have not looked at the actual facts, technically he was 100% guilty, which is why they probably didn’t fight the penalty.

      Not clear cut, a failing (not for the first time in a GP being run for the first time) by the marshals and a failing by Hamilton to put himself in such a position. Nothing is won by a fastest lap in free practise, love him or hate him another silly mistake which ever way you look at it.

  7. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 28th October 2011, 19:21

    How something as simple as this can get 187 comments is beyond me.

    Fanboys, accept it. Lewis is not god. Haters, come up with something new for a change, Hamilton wasn’t the only one to break the rules.

    This is the first F1 race after two motorsport deaths. We have been reminded of how much the first priority is to safety. The drivers probably made a mistake, but that’s not good enough anymore (if it was good enough ever). But what I think more than anything is needed is not just these penalties, but a proper look at how drivers are notified of dangers around the track because this keeps happening again and again and again and no amount of penalties ever seems to stop it. This is as much the responsibility of F1 as a whole, Race Control, the teams, etc. as it is to the offending drivers and the weak links must be properly found out.

    • Err Bob said on 28th October 2011, 21:12

      Iam surprised that a mistake by race control or the marshalls ( logic dictates that one of them were showing the wrong track condition ) only gets 180 something comments, perhaps if Perez hadnt got a penalty we would have all the `lets put He`s head on a stake and march around New Dehli` trolls

    • Thecollaroyboys (@thecollaroyboys) said on 28th October 2011, 21:28

      Ditto

      • Thecollaroyboys (@thecollaroyboys) said on 28th October 2011, 21:30

        I meant ditto to Icthyes

        • Err Bob said on 28th October 2011, 22:02

          lol, reminds me of race control, but seriously, this opens the can of worms of, if flags have precendence then whats the point of the lights, are they now expecting drivers to spot two different colour indication systems and then decide what to do in the blink of an eye. Hamilton drove through waved yellows and so a penalty is just. But why was the light system and He`s steering wheel showing green.

  8. lewymp4 (@lewymp4) said on 28th October 2011, 21:19

    It’s unfortunate that Lewis decided to accept blame, for a badly called penalty!!!

  9. Shrieker (@shrieker) said on 28th October 2011, 21:51

    http://bit.ly/uP2OwL
    Double yellow, and green light barely 50 metres up the road. Not the mention the warning lights on the wheel were gone.

    The FIA have f.cked up, and blamed the driver for it.

    • Shrieker (@shrieker) said on 28th October 2011, 21:58

      Not to mention Vettel wasn’t even reprimanded when he took a shortcut in qualifying 2 weeks ago, despite the fact that the drivers were warned not to take that particular shortcut even when they had spun.

      Your consistency sucks FIA.

  10. Having watched the clip, it is very clear the stewards punished lewis unfairly. Yes drivers have to respect double yellow flags but when the track status is showing green which will obviously be showing in his cockpit as green. Looking at fact it was a right hand corner, it obvious that he would see the flashing green light than the yellow flag flashing at that angle. Race control has to take some responsibility here. This is not about a Hamilton fan trying to put up a defence but surely giving such conflicting singals is just poor. Race control would have been satisfied that the track condition is safe hence the return of the green status.

    • Shrieker (@shrieker) said on 28th October 2011, 22:00

      For all intents and purposes the track was clear and the marshalls were waving double yellows for nothing it seems, cause i’m yet to see a pic or footage with marshalls on the track with Hamilton passing by (at his last lap).

      • Err Bob said on 28th October 2011, 22:35

        I did think at the time, where`s the marshals?, why was the green given 20ish seconds before the area, why is the marshal flag station the opposite side of the car recovery split barriers. To Me it looked like the Marshals were unsure of the situation, so you see a single then double flag waving as a car rounds the corner `just in case`.

  11. Err Bob said on 28th October 2011, 22:54

    Forget hams penalty, what abot Massa`s wibbly wobbly wing, puts the RBR boing boing wing to shame ;-)

  12. Alex_D said on 28th October 2011, 23:27

    I have just watched the first practice highlights and I would like to know why Button wasn’t penalised for passing the HRT under yellow flag conditions?

  13. vho (@) said on 29th October 2011, 1:29

    After seeing the videos posted on online it seems quite clear to me why the stewards gave Lewis a penalty and not one to Jenson.

    In the case with Jenson and Narain, they’d both slowed down significantly and when approaching to the corner after the incident Narain had backed off to left Jenson through – this can be established by looking at the speeds they were doing in that area and leading into the corner after the incident. It must’ve proved that both had backed off and obeyed the double waved yellows. Where the case exonerates Jenson is that Narain may have backed off to let him through.

    In Lewis’ case he failed to make any attempt to slow down and in fact had his DRS open. In one of the replays it looks as if he clocked a PB during that lap.

    The situation is that Lewis acted carelessly in double waved yellows and Jenson observed the rule by reducing his speed. Narain slowed down to let him through the next corner – and it could also be interpreted by Jenson that perhaps Narain slowed to enter the pits and gave him the right of way.

    Now whether or not you Lewis fans accept this explanation or not is another thing. As Keith said, all these conspiracies about the stewards having it in for Lewis is starting to get a bit boring. You’re losing any sort of credibility that you might already have by making comments like those.

  14. Thecollaroyboys (@thecollaroyboys) said on 29th October 2011, 1:38

    Hey Keith, you must be loving Hamilton. Lots of screw-ups, lots of posts, lots of clicks. Advertisers must be thrilled!

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