Massa calls for kerb change after crash

2011 Indian Grand Prix

Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Felipe Massa says the kerb he hit when he crashed in qualifying should be changed for next year.

Massa said: “What happened on my last timed lap was a real shame.

“Today, we had the potential to secure a good placing, as Fernando [Alonso] demonstrated and as can also be seen from the fact my sixth best time was set with a rather slow third sector.

“I came into turn eight and went over the kerb and the front right suspension gave way in the impact with the raised orange part, which in my opinion is too high at this point. It’s a very fast corner, taken at around 215kph and it could be arranged differently.

“These are details that need improving for next year.”

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82 comments on Massa calls for kerb change after crash

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  1. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 29th October 2011, 13:04

    I still reckon cutting through Turn 7 once too often did his front suspension no favours. It no doubt weakened the front-right to the point where the impact with the kerb was enough to break the suspension loose.

  2. RumFRESH (@rumfresh) said on 29th October 2011, 13:07

    I don’t think they should change it, it’s refreshing to have a new track that actually punishes drivers without harm.

    • Slr (@slr) said on 29th October 2011, 13:10

      But Massa could have been harmed, even if it was unlikely.

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 29th October 2011, 14:49

        He shouldn’t have cut the corner so much then. Sounds callous (probably is) but it’s refreshing that he was punished. Even if the curb wasn’t like that I imagine taking the corner that way would have compromised that sector. I think he’s probably just embarrassed that he was put out of qualifying by his own error in a fairly minor crash.

        • Sounds callous (probably is) but it’s refreshing that he was punished

          Punishment should come from his time being deleted not by his car dangerously falling apart. The Sing sling is at least slower so the chances of a big accident are a little lower but iirc that’s a fairly fast bit of track.

        • lubhz (@lubhz) said on 29th October 2011, 19:06

          This is not a street circuit so shouldn’t be treated like one.

        • Slr (@slr) said on 29th October 2011, 22:47

          @matt90 I wasn’t backing Massa’s opinion, I don’t really have an opinion on whether the kerbs need to be changes. I was just pointing that even though it was indeed unlikely Massa could have been hurt, the fact is that there was always a chance of him getting hurt.

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 29th October 2011, 13:10

      I agree, take the appropriate line and you won’t get punished, much like the “Singapore Sling”.

    • I agree. Actually massa went beyond normal (red & white) kerb & then put his wheel on orange part which should not be used as normal kerb. So for me i think kerbs are good enough & moreover he didn’t complain about them until met with suspension broke. We haven’t heard any complaints from any other drivers reg kerbs.

    • UKFan (@) said on 29th October 2011, 14:42

      Punish shouldnt equal potential hospital trip in that corner things could be really dangerous

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 29th October 2011, 14:54

        They would only be dangerous if you don’t drive them properly.

        Take too much kerb, and you will break your car.

      • lubhz (@lubhz) said on 29th October 2011, 19:04

        Punish shouldnt equal potential hospital trip

        Agreed. It can cause nasty consequences during the race.

      • It would only be dangerous if there was a good chance a car could be launchec off it. It is not placed in a position where that is likely to happen. Massa is just trying to divert away from his poor driving. The bump is there to deter drivers from cutting the corner and it worked.

  3. verstappen (@verstappen) said on 29th October 2011, 13:16

    I guess it’s like that little off track bump in Australia. It brings character to à circuit.

  4. JoMcl said on 29th October 2011, 13:22

    He completely missed the apex. Massa’s mistake, but maybe the suspension was already damaged by all his front wing oscillations and his previous hard run over kerbs. It is a bit silly he always find something to blame but himself :(
    Are the suspensions also a 2012 spec?

    • almanac said on 29th October 2011, 17:11

      he got the habbit from lewis. looks to be contagious

    • smokinjoe (@smokinjoe) said on 30th October 2011, 1:13

      I guessed Massa just got too overexcited after topping the time sheets in fp2 and being overshadowed by alonso all season,he just pushed the car way too hard.I bet if he would have finished that lap without the accident he would have never complained about the kerb.Btw thats the quote from lewis hamilton ”
      The track is fantastic – the organisers here in India have done a great job. It’s very fast and flowing, the grip-level is fantastic, the run-off areas seem to be good, and the kerbs are probably the best of any circuit we visit: nice rumble-strips that you can drive on.”

  5. John H (@john-h) said on 29th October 2011, 13:35

    Change your driving instead.

    This is no different to Singapore apart from that you have a much bigger run off.

  6. Dan Thorn (@dan-thorn) said on 29th October 2011, 13:41

    His views are entirely understandable but had his suspension not failed I suspect we wouldn’t have heard anything about them. If he wanted to attack the kerbs like that maybe he should have gone for a more compliant suspension set up.

    Fact is he hit them once too many and the suspension cried enough. There are plenty of other tracks on the calendar with those inside kerbs which are just as high as, if not higher than these ones and everyone else managed them ok.

    • The fact is that he did not hit the kerb. The bump is beyond the already generous kerbing. He was off the track and payed the price.

  7. MGriffin90 (@mgriffin90) said on 29th October 2011, 13:53

    Rather than alter the kerb, Felipe should take the kerb properly like everyone else did.

  8. lebesset said on 29th October 2011, 13:56

    I heard that massa wants the kerbs to be renamed hamiltons so he can can continue that whinge instead of starting another

    come to think of it , there will always be something with him

    • ha ha ha …COTD!

    • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 30th October 2011, 8:19

      Grow up. Massa doesn’t whinge nearly as much as Lewis. Whenever Massa whinges, it’s been completely justified. Hamilton, however, crashes into people and then moans about getting penalties. I’m not against Hamilton, but I’m against people that are against Massa.

  9. SVettel (@) said on 29th October 2011, 14:07

    All I’m saying is that the other drivers coped with the kerbs and didn’t crash

  10. The Last Pope (@the-last-pope) said on 29th October 2011, 14:08

    Massa is obviously a suporter of Bernie’s ‘Short cuts’ idea. Next thing he’ll want to drive through the barriers of monaco, through the front door of a hotel, out the back door, through another barrier and back onto the track without damaging his car.

  11. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 29th October 2011, 14:26

    ” raised orange part,” they should be remove for the race.

  12. SouthPawRacer (@southpawracer) said on 29th October 2011, 14:58

    It’s an anti-cut device. Isn’t it just fulfilling the duty that kerbs used to serve in the 70s/80s/90s before they were flattened in the 2000s, i.e. as a place the driver shouldn’t put his car?

    I like Felipe, but it’s his own fault for driving where he shouldn’t.

  13. W-K (@w-k) said on 29th October 2011, 14:59

    The rules say the track is between the white lines, Massa was at least a metre beyond the lines, so what does he expect.

    In fact the orange lumps should be made bigger, better and meaner.

    Getting to be quite the little whinger, ain’t ‘e.

  14. Gerry said on 29th October 2011, 15:03

    For once I agree with Massa. That orange kerb is TOO high and therefore dangerous, leave alone getting off the racing line!!

    • MVEilenstein (@mveilenstein) said on 29th October 2011, 17:43

      The solution is simple: don’t drive over the curb.

    • It was not the kerb that did the damage it was the bump placed beyond the kerb to stop drivers cutting the corner that broke his car. Drivers take a risk by using kerbs as it is so they should expect to come off bad if they go beyond them.

  15. rdpunk (@) said on 29th October 2011, 15:05

    It wasn’t a problem until he made it one. He took an odd line through the corner and that hindered him. He has a point saying it needs to be changed but its similar to the bump off the track at Sepang that broke Petrov’s steering column, it shouldn’t be there as it could cause an accident but it’s once in a blue moon accident.

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