Maldonado and Senna criticise penalties

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In the round-up: Bruno Senna and Pastor Maldonado hit out at blue flag penalties.

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“The bottom line is that the deal needs to be done by the first week of December, when there is the final, no-turning-back meeting to set the 2012 F1 schedule. Could the Austin race be moved to 2013? It’s possible, but not without penalties, and who would pay them?”

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42 comments on Maldonado and Senna criticise penalties

  1. electrolite (@electrolite) said on 15th November 2011, 0:31

    Is that Turkey or Bahrain, Keith?

  2. Mike (@mike) said on 15th November 2011, 0:53

    I have to feel for Pastor. Especially in that second incident, I mean, where do you expect him to go?

    He got well out of his way after the corner and I think it was very unfair to penalize him, as for the other incidents, I can’t remember them.

    • f1muk said on 15th November 2011, 2:48

      ***? He decided to overtake the Torro Rosso, completely ruining a fight at the front of the pack. Why couldn’t he have let both drivers through first?

      This is becoming a trend with Maldonado. He gets a penalty and then cries like a little girl. He needs to grow up and play by the rules, because his conduct is not consistent with F1 standards.

      • gabal (@gabal) said on 15th November 2011, 9:19

        I’ll talk about Maldonado’s second penalty since I haven’t seen the other blue flag incidents that resulted in punishment.
        I think stewards were too harsh on Maldonado and Alguersuari in this case. Racing happens all the way through the pack and at the moment front runners were about to lap them Maldonado and Alguersuari were fighting for position and if Alguersuari who was behind him wasn’t going to let front runners lap him Maldonado would lose position to him.
        Also, he was actually pulling away from them on the straight and he really had to get completely off the track and got a lot of dirt on his tyres so he could be lapped.
        Sometimes, marshals are really over-zealous with showing blue flags and lapped drivers must lose a lot of valuable lap time to move out to somebody who is maybe even a few seconds behind.

        The attitude of front runners towards drivers from the back is sometimes really annoying. The great example was also seen in this race when Hamilton got furious with Barrichello for having a nerve to unlap himself. If he managed to do that he was obviously running faster then him and had every right to get back to the leading lap.

        • bag0 (@bag0) said on 15th November 2011, 9:59

          Sometimes, marshals are really over-zealous with showing blue flags and lapped drivers must lose a lot of valuable lap time to move out to somebody who is maybe even a few seconds behind.

          Backmakers get the blue flag, and the blue light on the steering wheel, if the gap is under 1.5 sec. So, not a few seconds.

          It would have been enough if Algelsuari and Maldonado lift off for 1 sec on the sraigth. Yes, they lose some time, but both of them losing it, all of the backmarkers losing it.

          And for the Hamilton vs. Barichello case. Of course BAR has every right to unlap himself, but it worths nothing, if he knows that he is only faster at the end of the straight. So what was the purpose of that “attack”? Get ahead, just so he can let hamilton by agiain in 3 corners?

  3. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 15th November 2011, 0:56

    “It is yet to be officially confirmed but I am reliably assured that Charles Pic has signed to drive for Marussia Racing [currently Virgin] in 2012, with an option to stay with the team in 2013.”

    The same way you were reliably informed that Toro Rosso would become known as Team UAE, Joe?

    • Huron (@huron) said on 15th November 2011, 4:32

      He is not the only one to report it.

      Again, I have to ask: Why are you so focused on Joe Saward? If you don’t like him, don’t comment about him.

      Of course, I understand that you feel the need to monopolize the comment section of this site, so perhaps you simply can not help it.

      One final thought about Joe: Many in the paddock respect his work and trust his reporting, but no one in the paddock (I have checked) has heard of Prisoner Monkeys.

      Does Joe always get it right? Nope, but no journalist does. He gets it right more often than not, and more often than you, even with the volumes worth of comments that you make.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 15th November 2011, 4:57

        no one in the paddock (I have checked) has heard of Prisoner Monkeys

        Of course not. Do you think “Prisoner Monkeys” is my real name?

        • Huron (@huron) said on 16th November 2011, 22:37

          I noticed on James Allen’s blog that you tried to claim Saward was the source of the Charles Pic rumours, but in reality it had been reported in the French press before Saward posted the story on his blog (as you undoubtedly knew).

          Again, if you think you know more about the goings on in F1 than Joe Saward, start your own blog, rather than continuing to monopolize the comment section of this site.

          Many, and I do mean many, readers of this site agree with me. I am speaking for the silent majority.

      • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 15th November 2011, 21:02

        Any self respecting journalist should be able to take criticism from the world, including @prisoner-monkeys We are right to criticise, Saward comes out with some complete rubbish.

        • Huron (@huron) said on 16th November 2011, 22:35

          I understand PM has many fans on this site, for reasons that no rational person could understand, but he is not the authority on all things F1 and Saward.

          I noticed on James Allen’s blog that PM tried to claim Saward was the source of the Charles Pic rumours, but in reality it had been reported in the French press before Saward posted the story on his blog (as PM undoubtedly knew).

    • Hamish (@hamish) said on 15th November 2011, 6:01

      Just like Jarno Trulli is the 3rd tallest driver, Prisoner Monkeys?

      • CarsVsChildren (@carsvschildren) said on 15th November 2011, 13:23

        Furthermore, just because it hasn’t come true yet, doesn’t mean it won’t. I’ve found over the last few years he is right more often than he is wrong.

        But hey, when all you do is comment on someone else’s website, clamouring for attention and infamy on the back of someone else’s work, its easier to be as arrogant as you.

  4. Maksutov (@maksutov) said on 15th November 2011, 1:02

    Great, ..I just posted a forum topic about the Blue Flags in particular. I think leading cars may be expecting too much when it comes to lapping other cars… But i do question if Maldonado had indeed passed three blue flags without complying to deserve the penalty…

    • Rocky (@rocky) said on 15th November 2011, 1:40

      I’m wondering with the availability of Kers and DRS do we really need blue flags.

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 15th November 2011, 14:42

      Good job, will check it out. I hope this will lead to some discussion about blue flags. Losing 4s every time is quite a lot. For those that are already on the back foot because you are a two or more seconds per lap slower than the front end of the grid it is a lot, but I suppose it is worse the closer your pace is to the fastest, ie. when you are “out of position”.

      I do think however, that if you are, and you are stuck behind a slower car (otherwise you wouldn’t be lapped but just driving almost a lap behind the leader) it might also offer a good opportunity to get past – but that’s tricky to do in such a way you don’t hinder a fight at the sharp end.

  5. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 15th November 2011, 1:39

    Someone has registered the domain name http://www.qnbwilliams.com/ and currently shows a placeholder webpage. A quick check of WhoIs shows that the registrar was EPAG Domainservices GmbH, and it was registered on October 27. From the looks of things, EPAG is a brand protection service – they register domain names and hold onto them on behalf of their clients to prevent someone from beating their client to the name. For example, back in August a brand protection service called MarkMonitor registered twenty domain names under the title “skyfall” and “jamesbond” (ie “skyfall-jamesbond.com”). In November, Skyfall was announced as the title of the twenty-third Bond film. It’s possible that EPAG have done something similar here, registering a whole host of domain names under the “qnbwilliams” banner, possibly foreshadowing an annoucement that Williams and the Qatar National Bank are joining forces.

    Of course, this could simply be someone jumping the gun, trying to get free web traffic in anticiaption of an annoucement – qnbwilliams.com is the only registered domain name that I can find (for instance, there is no qnbwilliams.net or qnbwilliams.co.uk). Secondly, Williams have an existing contract with AT&T for title sponsorship. I do not know when this contract ends. Thirdly, despite the contract between AT&T and Williams, the Williams website is just williamsf1.com; the title sponsor is not included. And finally, while both Williams and Raikkonen have confirmed that they have been in negotiations, Raikkonen himself said nothing has been signed yet.

  6. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 15th November 2011, 2:00

    Happy Birthday Loki and Tom Watson.

  7. BasCB (@bascb) said on 15th November 2011, 7:30

    Not good, that inside look behind the scenes of what is happening around the AustinGP deal. Lets hope the parties see reason and can agree on something in time to make the race happen.

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 15th November 2011, 14:53

      And Ecclestone must be glad that at least he has a good chance with the New Jersey grand prix so that there will be a GP in the US in 2013 despite Austin having become a risk.

  8. Girts (@girts) said on 15th November 2011, 8:42

    I haven’t watched the incidents that brought the stewards to penalise Maldonado, Senna and Alguersuari so I cannot judge the decisions but it seems unlikely that many drivers suddenly forgot how to let the faster cars pass or deliberately hindered them. So it sounds likely that the stewards were simply inconsistent. Anyway, these stories have become boring, I think we should get rid of the blue flags completely.

  9. For me it’s irrelevant if [Jenson Button] has finished ahead of me because we want to win the championship.

    I don’t believe you Lewis. Nobody wants to be beaten, stop saying you don’t care because it’s untrue.

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 15th November 2011, 15:04

      Normally when a driver says that (like MSC did after India), I’d say the same you are saying @fixy. Sure, the WDC is what you wanted to aim for, but that was out of reach, so the next best thing then is your teammate, saying otherwise is simply not true.

      But Hamilton has already written off this year as due to his own personal issues he couldn’t overcome, and thinks that without those mistakes, he would be well clear of Button, so it’s nothing to do with Button, apart from the difference that he did get things together.

      Does that make sense?

      I agree, it still means beaten by his team mate, one way or the other, but it also seems like a good way to get over it, I suppose. Blame off-track personal things, and with those out of the way you will be WDC next year, car permitting.

    • Lewis just beat Alonso on the weekend, I think he will be very happy with that.

  10. bosyber (@bosyber) said on 15th November 2011, 15:20

    Autosport: Massa believes track changes in Abu Dhabi needed – was I the only one who thought he was going to call the curbs in the chicanes out?

    He’s saying the hairpin should be wider though; might well be right about that.

    And Horner wants Webber’s place back from Button’s DRS use in the 2nd zone.

  11. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 15th November 2011, 21:07

    D’Ambrosio has largely been a safe pair of hands. Pic is good, a bit of a lacklustre start to the season but certainty not enough to warrant a seat over D’Ambrosio…assumimg the Belgian will need to make way.

    I don’t get Saward’s, or anyone elses, angle on this. Some major French sponsorship can be the only thing.

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