Massa “never gives you room” – Hamilton

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In the round-up: Lewis Hamilton discusses his run-ins with Felipe Massa in 2011.


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“We often found ourselves close together and [Felipe] Massa is a difficult driver to pass because he never gives you any room. But it?s not something to over-dramatise. I have nothing against him.”

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132 comments on Massa “never gives you room” – Hamilton

  1. dizzy said on 6th January 2012, 11:32

    maybe lewis should remember how when he passes drivers he often leavs them no room & shoves them off the track, he did that to massa at hockenheim in 2008 when massa tried to re-pass him.

    its a tactic lewis often uses when passing another car or when someone tried to pass him round the outside, he leaves them no room & simply shoves them onto the kurb/astroturf/grass.

    • That’s the tactic exactly, that’s why drivers chose the inside line to defend his position, that’s why overtaking on the outside rarely happens. If you are on the inside you can push the guy on the outside at your will. Whether you are defending or trying to overtake, you want to go for the inside.

      Massa on the other hand, doesn’t defending his inside line, and still tried to hit the apex as if no one’s there, that is not the idea really.

  2. Steve_A said on 6th January 2012, 11:42

    James Allen to 5Live?

    Now im definately buying a Sky subscription.

  3. OOliver said on 6th January 2012, 12:44

    You raise some valid points. But I ask you this question, have you seen anyone diving down the inside of Hamilton and Hamilton blocking such a move?
    Webber and Hamilton, Hamilton and Button have had tussles where they drive side by side almost half way round the track but no accidents.

    Many drivers have dived down the inside of Hamilton, except when done very late like Webbers Kamikaze in Singapore, Hamilton always gives room to avoid an accident.

    • Steve_A said on 6th January 2012, 13:06

      At the same time through Massa hasn’t really had similar trouble with other drivers, He’s been in F1 for about 10 years & had very little contact with drivers other than Hamilton.

      Lewis has been in F1 for 5 years & had contact with many drivers all in similar circumstances & has had his driving conduct questioned by several drivers & his driving has been raised in drivers briefings a few times.

  4. antonyob (@) said on 6th January 2012, 12:54

    spot on Ooliver.

    ive always confidence when Lewis is battling with the webbers or alonso’s that itll be extremely hard but they are all gauging risk and have enough talent to dive out the way if required. the problem when facing Massa is actually Lewis probably doesnt rate him and therefore underestimates him a bit and perhaps doesnt concentrate quite so much.

    we’ve all done it ( well most perhaps) playing sport, losing the ball to a much inferior opponent because we didnt rate them.

    i think lewis just wants him out of the way rather than sizing him up. you nearly always have to blame both drivers, to a degree, in a crash. lewis needs to pretend its alonso and massa needs to know when to yield.

  5. Oh no just woke up this morning and there are already 60-something comments!
    Well, At risk of repeating something you’ve alraedy said (no time to read all) Massa has been (at least proved once) as guilty as Lewis in those crashes… I know drivers aern’t (or shouldn’t be) scared about “big names”, I don’t think Massa says “oh no a world champion behind , let’s make him overtake me smoothly” (except for team orders of course but that’s a little out of the topic). Massa has the right to defend as well as Hamilton the right to (at least try to) pass. But when they go over the limits of sensible driving then these accidents happen, luckily all of these were just angry times and nobody resulted injured

  6. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 6th January 2012, 13:11

    I think people might be reading a little too much into Hamilton’s comment. I think it’s Lewis’ subtle way of paying Felipe a compliment, in the most sportsmanlike way he can.

  7. “We often found ourselves close together and [Felipe] Massa is a difficult driver to pass because he never gives you any room.

    He doesn’t really have to. I find it a nice change when Hamilton isn’t just waved through. The only thing I don’t like is when these two snipe at each other or refuse to talk to one another after the races.

  8. antonyob (@) said on 6th January 2012, 15:36

    you cant pass at monaco without trying something like that so that example is nonsense. for sure hes made mistakes. show me a man who hasnt and i’ll show you one who hasnt made a decision. give me 10 lewis’ in F1 over 10 massa’s any day. those who dont like him tend not to like his personality and lets say some countriys fans for more ugly reasons perhaps. either way he tries stuff, i’ll never be critical of that.

    adding the word “dangerous” is emotional poppycock. motor racing is dangerous fullstop.

  9. MinusTwo (@minustwo) said on 6th January 2012, 16:53

    Did anyone else find Pippa Mann’s comments very interesting? The part about how she receives less discrimination in the States than in Europe really surprised me. It wasn’t at all what I expected.

    Personally, I really hope there is a competitive female driver in F1.

    Not only would it be super cool, I think it a lot of women might actually be BETTER suited for the cockpit than many men, considering what is required for F1. An F1 driver is a bit like a horse-racing jockey: Lighter is better. Provided that someone is fit enough to withstand the forces in the car, a tiny female driver weighing 100 pounds would be a huge advantage compared to a 170 pound dude.

    I think that is why a lot of F1 drivers are basically midgets. Lewis Hamilton is shorter than my wife.

    • David BR (@david-br) said on 9th January 2012, 17:25

      Yes I did find them interesting. Also ironic and a bit sad that this story is almost totally ignored in favour of more tedious discussion over Massa and Hamilton, which shold left to the dustbin of 2011.

      This quote from Pippa Mann about the idea of competing in Formula 1 says it all:

      I couldn’t be bothered to deal with that level of prejudice in Europe. The media perception is more extreme in Europe. I have one good race and I’m the walking re-incarnation of Ayrton Senna. I have one bad race and I should never have been allowed out of the kitchen. It’s not like that in the States.

      Two things, the extreme media sensationalism, and the fact that one poor race by a woman in F1 and the whole idea would be rubbished. Still think it will happen one day and hope so. But if the discussions (e.g. Massa v. Hamilton) are already fairly juvenile, imagine then…

  10. MinusTwo (@minustwo) said on 6th January 2012, 16:55

    Sorry, should apologize for using the word “midget”.. I think the correct term nowadays is “Little person”… Lewis Hamilton is basically a Little Person.

  11. antonyob (@) said on 6th January 2012, 16:58

    as long as the woman can take 5 lateral G thru her neck muscles theres no reason.

    but evolution has made more men at each end of the athletic scale so you tend to ge more completely useless men and more superhuman ones. women as in most things are more concentrated in the middle area. its the same with intelligence. more bozos are males and more geniuses. but of course discrimination doesnt help.

    i for one am training my 2 yr old daughter already.

  12. If folks are interested, back in 2009 we did an interview with Pippa in which she talked at length about fitness, training, racing as a woman, and the different attitudes in the US and Europe. It was quite eye-opening stuff and – being Pippa, who’s wonderfully quotable – it was also quite blunt in places.
    Link here:

  13. Dan8 (@dan8) said on 8th January 2012, 17:43

    Lets face it – Hamilton & Massa are never going to get on with each other

  14. TheJudge (@thejudge) said on 9th January 2012, 13:32

    Can someone please stop this at last? Otherwise this subject,discussion,major fight between these two and their fans is starting to get on everyone’s nervs.

  15. The Limit said on 9th January 2012, 23:11

    I feel sorry for Bruno Senna. He was doomed from the start because of his name and that is a great, great shame. Personally I don’t think he had that bad of a season in 2011, and he lacks the experience of many of his peers yet still put in some sterling performances. Granted, he didn’t exactly set the world alight but he didn’t make an arse of himself neither.
    When you compare him to others who have driven their entire careers in the mid-pack and whine about their lack of power steering I think Bruno is the perfect professional. He didn’t go groaning to his native media like Vitaly Petrov did when things at Renault went pearshaped, and he comes across very well in interviews.
    I laughed very hard at Hamilton’s snipe at Massa. I guess now, after saying that, Lewis will expect Felipe to jump out of his way in 2012 everytime he sees Hamilton’s McLaren in his mirrors. If he does he really is in more trouble than I thought!

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