Alguersuari turns down drive with HRT

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In today?s round-up: Jaime Alguersuari has rejected a seat with HRT for 2012, instead hoping to be third driver at one of the big teams.


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There?s been lots of comments about Sebastien Buemi potentially taking Mark Webber’s seat in 2013. Prisoner Monkeys says:

Helmut Marko might like the idea of Vettel winning everything, and he might lobby for a driver who will not threaten Vettel, but Red Bull is a constructor, which means they are fighting for the constructors? championship. When their main rivals are taking the two best drivers available to them, Red Bull will have to do the same.

Sebastian Vettel isn?t so good that he can single-handedly win the constructors? championship. If the team make the mistake of thinking he can, there is a real chance that they will finish behind Mercedes in the constructors? standings simply because McLaren, Ferrari and Mercedes will get results through consistency. Red Bull need a strong second driver, and they will take the strongest available, regardless of what Helmut Marko thinks.
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118 comments on Alguersuari turns down drive with HRT

  1. TheNikii (@thenikii) said on 9th January 2012, 0:06

    Poor HRT. Now even drivers without seat doesn’t want to drive for them.

    • John H (@john-h) said on 9th January 2012, 0:17

      In light of the recent changes at HRT (creating an all-spanish community), this could prove to be a mistake by Alguersuari. I can’t believe he’d turn down a race seat unless he has something already in the pipeline elsewhere, although I guess they were probably offerering peanuts money wise.

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 9th January 2012, 0:19

        I was thinking that. HRT will likely remain at or near the back, but the team looks to be making the right steps. Unless it fails to get the car ready in time again, I think it has passed being a joke team. I hadn’t even considered how much he would likely find himself at home there.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 0:27

        In light of the recent changes at HRT (creating an all-spanish community), this could prove to be a mistake by Alguersuari.

        A “Spanish All-Stars” vibe isn’t going to be much of a substitute for speed. I think HRT want it to make the team more attractive to sponsors and to consolidate the internal structure (until Thesan came along, it was an absolute mess), but Luis Perez-Sala has said they expect to take a step backwards at the start of 2012. I think they’re both expecting and content to finish twelfth in the WCC this year while they get all their ducks lined up in a row.

      • Joey-Poey (@joey-poey) said on 9th January 2012, 3:43

        There’s also the possibility that he’d rather drive for a highly rated team in another series instead of the bottom of the barrel in F1.

      • Enigma (@enigma) said on 9th January 2012, 6:53

        I reckon he must have a reserve driver’s role somewhere like Mercedes or Force India.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 7:51

          Part of me wonders if he could wind up at Williams. They have said that they are negotiating with a major telecom company for title sponsorship. Some people think this is a sign that Williams will take Bruno Senna, while others believe they are going for Qtel, which won’t really line up with any driver.

          Frank Williams said that he wanted to have his driver line-up settled by Christmas. But that was when they were talking with Kimi Raikkonen, and with Raikkonen going to Lotus, that timetable was probably thrown into disarray. Two weeks later, Alguersuari and Buemi became available. Alguersuari was apparently offered the Red Bull reserve seat first, but turned it down. Now he’s turned down a ride with HRT. I know he said that HRT would be a step backwards, so Williams probably isn’t much better in the eyes of many, but they’re likely to make more progress in 2012 than HRT, and they probably have a long-term plan in mind.

          I admit, this one is a bit of a stretch and relies on some precise timing, but it could possibly work out:
          1) Frank Williams wants his drivers decided by Christmas.
          2) Kimi Raikkonen joins Lotus, disrupting Williams’ plans.
          3) With no clear options, Williams decides to wait before rushing to a decision on the second driver.
          4) Alguersuari and Buemi are dropped by Red Bull.
          5) The AT&T-Williams contract expires.
          6) A Spanish telecom company like Telefonicia, Movistar or Canal+ sees an opportunity.
          7) They are willing to sponsor Williams if Williams take Jaime Alguersuari.

          And everyone’s happy.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th January 2012, 8:08

        Hm, not too sure about those changes @john-h, they do not have a factory (not sure its even defenitive where they will have it), no facilities so far and it remains to be seen how they will go about replacing the 60% of team staff that were supplied by Kolles.

        But I would think Alguersuari is in a relatively good position to land a 3rd driver role somewhere, otherwise why come out and say this (maybe for his sponsors?).

    • bananarama (@bananarama) said on 9th January 2012, 0:18

      Well, who would drive for HRT if its not the first step up into F1 or the last straw to stay in it. Alguersuari in my opinion is neither, he has 2 1/3 seasons of experience and he is still so young that his career can continue elswhere. But I might be wrong, I mean, when reading what Marko says I feel like I completely misjudged the ToroRosso cars. He is the insider so he must have the data that shows the cars were good cars driven poorly. I always thought Jaimes season went really well from Canada onwards. In a series where the first 8 of the points scoring positions should be locked out by the biggest 4 teams and in the first third of the season the last 2 positions by Renault, then after that 3 teams fighting for the remaining points, scoring 26 points was a really good result. But now I see I was wrong.
      Anyway, I’m sure there is a place for him in motorsports somewhere and I sure wouldn’t mind seeing him again in F1.

    • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 9th January 2012, 0:32

      well, it is a step backwards. Heikki Kovalainen and Timo Glock might say the opposite, but going to Lotus or Virgin is a step backwards, as both were quite young and had a promising future ahead (ok, maybe not Kova, as his seasons with McLaren weren’t that good).

      It might be OK for Liuzzi or Trulli, as both are quite done with F1, but for someone like Alguersuari, going to HRT would be the worst thing on earth.

      • John H (@john-h) said on 9th January 2012, 0:49

        The fact that no midfield team has picked up Glock is a mystery to me, but it does highlight your point rather well.

        Even if Alguersuari does well it will probably lead nowhere, but being a reserve driver isn’t necessarily much better either but he does have age on his side.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 0:59

          The fact that no midfield team has picked up Glock is a mystery to me

          Because they can’t pick him up. He’s under contract with Virgin, but apparently the only way he can be released from it is if one of the top four teams offers him a seat.The midfielders can’t get him, most likely because Virgin figured they could compete there after a year or three. Hopefully the MR01 chassis will be a step up from the MVR-02.

          • John H (@john-h) said on 9th January 2012, 22:02

            Well yes, I meant before he signed the new contract. I’m guessing if something else was on the table he would have gone for it.

            But indeed, let’s hope the MR01 is half decent now they have gone off their wind tunnel diet.

  2. Nick88 said on 9th January 2012, 0:13

    I’d hate to see Alguesuari struggling at the back of the pack with HRT for next season. I think he made the right choice opting for a reserve role, he’s still so young he can enhance his developmental skills within a team without the pressure of having to race well, which I hope enables him to come back to seat in 2013 with a clear mind and more determination.

    Don’t know about Buemi, surely does seem Red Bull have offered him a test drive in their car as ‘reward’ for his service but can’t see him at Red Bull in 2013 or onwards.

    • Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 9th January 2012, 16:20

      I disagree. Youg drivers in slow cars can be noticed if they perform well, whereas the test driver is virtually unknown due to the severe lack of testing. I believe Alguersuari has made a mistake, as he will disppear off the radar as a test driver.

      Having said that, he could get a really good drive in something like Le Mans or DTM, where his obvious ability wouldn’t be entirely wasted, and that would at least keep him in the picture.

  3. matt90 (@matt90) said on 9th January 2012, 0:17

    He’d better be pretty sure he gets in at Williams then. Because it seems to me that not being on the grid at all is more of a backwards step than driving for HRT.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 0:36

      You’re assuming he wants a race seat in 2012. But the appeal in a third driver role is that it gets you involved with the team. You get much more time working with the engineers, getting to know everyone. If you get a race seat the following year, you already have all your relationships in place, so you can hit the ground running. And with Alguersuari’s reputation for giving very succint feedback, he’s going to be a real prize for any team that takes him on.

      I think Alguersuari is going to roll the dice and try and land at Mercedes. They could really use him, and I can’t see Michael Schumacher staying around forever. With Luca di Montezemolo naming Nico Rosberg as a driver Ferrari are interested in, Mercedes could hypothetically need an entirely new line-up in 2013. I could see Jaime Alguersuari and Paul di Resta joining the team – they’d make for a very promising line-up.

  4. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 9th January 2012, 0:17

    Completely agree with @prisoner-monkeys this time. Especially if Vettel gets injured, they’d be in the same position Ferrari were in 1999, and to a degree Lotus (Renault) last year. Where a 2nd driver, who is not capable of driving a team to high things, has to lead the team, and it could only go backwards, and it did, and a reserve driver comes along and can only pick up minor points and the odd podium, not the signs of a championship winning team.

    Take a look at Williams in 2009, Rosberg scored all 34.5 points but the team could only manage 7th out of 10. Rosberg finished 7th out of 25 and his teammate the only driver to complete a full season without scoring a single point.

    There’s also the psychological side of things, a team will want a top 2nd driver to keep the 1st driver still having to fight for things if suddenly next years car is not quite up to scratch. Although I doubt most teams will want a Prost/Senna stroke Alonso/Hamilton situation…

    • sbl on tour (@sbl-on-tour) said on 9th January 2012, 9:42

      come on , the only reason irvine didnt win the championship in 99 was that todt and his chums were out to get him, and I defy anyone who thinks otherwise
      ps he may be a fellow ulsterman but he aint my fav driver by any means

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 9th January 2012, 16:50

        @sbl-on-tour – Irvine lost the title in 1999 because Hakkinen was a superior driver. Irvine needed Salo and Schumacher to pull over for him, and only went out and won 2 races all year by himself. When the pressure was on in Japan, he wasn’t even close to Hakkinen’s pace.

        • Hakkinen is a better driver than Irvine, but he was nowhere near as good in ’99 as he was in ’98. The fact Irvine who was a fairly average driver ran him so close even with team orders shows Hakkinen slipped a bit in comparison to the previous year (Imola and Monza come to mind)

          Schumacher would have walked it in 1999 if hadn’t broken his leg.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 10th January 2012, 6:53

          Well, @david-a, but if you hold those team orders against Irvine, its only fair to also highlight how Irvine had had to relent to Schumacher at the start of the season (showing the folly of team orders used right from the start of the season!).

          Not that Irvine was as good as Häkkinen, but maybe he did have the better car that year.

      • Gridlock said on 9th January 2012, 17:04

        one slightly faster pitstop and Irvine would have won it, I seem to recall.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 9th January 2012, 17:19


          one slightly faster pitstop and Irvine would have won it

          At Suzuka? No chance, he was miles behind.

          • Gridlock said on 9th January 2012, 21:17

            Hmm, you know I was sure that I watched it at the time and was amazed that Ferrari let the WDC slip away through one slow wheelman, but now I’ve done a bit of reading you’re right, he probably wouldn’t have done it even with a good stop.

            I hate getting old.

          • Mike the bike Schumacher (@mike-the-bike-schumacher) said on 10th January 2012, 2:17

            @keithcollantine thats the odd thing about that whole situation, if irvine was good anywhere it was at suzuka! just look at 93 and 97. In 2000 he was closer in the jag to schumi than in 99. Irvine has said much about it himself and doesn’t really know what happened.

    • Banburyhammer1 said on 9th January 2012, 11:44

      Invine finshed second in 1999! I hardly call that going backwards, even if Schumacher was still the faster driver. Salo still just about performed well enough to ensure Ferrari won the constructors’.

  5. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 9th January 2012, 0:18

    Also, I wonder if Alguersuari is plotting a trip to the States or something… IndyCar maybe?

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 0:24

      @craig-o – I’ve heard he’s gunning for Gary Paffet’s testing seat at McLaren.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th January 2012, 8:12

        That would be good, McLaren might have to field a real “young” driver in the end of season young driver test (instead of 30-something Paffet!)

        • James_mc (@james_mc) said on 9th January 2012, 19:41

          Although, somewhat perversely, Paffett is the only one of the two eligible for the young drivers test I believe. I’m pretty sure there is an experience limit barring experienced drivers from running in it which surely would disqualify Alguswarry by now?

          • Gridlock said on 9th January 2012, 21:21

            Yes, a young driver can’t have participated in a race weekend, from memory. Maybe FPs are excluded. But it’s obvious that McLaren use the young driver test for performance reasons, just like its obvious that a lot of filming happens at Fiorano and some of the straight-line testing involved turning around at each end very quickly…

          • Gridlock said on 9th January 2012, 21:24

            Ill correct myself so someone doesn’t have to:

            In addition to selling seats, there’s also the issue of who is considered a “young driver.” As it stands now, it’s one with fewer than three F1 starts, which apparently assumes will also mean the driver is “young.”

            But those rules allow McLaren to bring Gary Paffet to Abu Dhabi for the test. Paffett is a 30-year-old veteran who has thousands of kilometres under his belt in six years as an official test driver with the team. He has raced eight full DTM Series seasons, winning the title in 2005. He has 16 wins in 81 DTM starts.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 10th January 2012, 8:58

            Yes, ALG cannot take part, as he has a lot of experience in F1. What i meant was, that if they take on ALG to replace Paffet, then they would need to field a real “young talented driver” for the Abu Dhabi test (when ALG cannot take part and Paffet is replaced)

      • Tango (@tango) said on 9th January 2012, 10:33

        I wouldn’t bet on it though.

    • Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 9th January 2012, 16:25

      I can just about see that. He would likely be a front runner there (face it, there isn’t a huge amount of talent in IndyCar) and it would probaly suit his image quite well too. Having said that, most drivers who go to America stay there, so it would virtually rule him out of an F1 drive in the future.

  6. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 9th January 2012, 0:27

    Ah as much as I love Alguersuari I don’t think it’s the right time to be a test driver at McLaren… It looks as if neither Lewis or Jenson are leaving any time soon, and with limited in-season testing (although it is some at least) it’s not nearly enough time in the car. Could join Buemi and do Le Mans too?

    • Solo (@solo) said on 15th January 2012, 23:29

      I don’t think he expects to replace Button or Hamilton in a year or two if he really is considering the possibility for test drive position for them.
      He probably believes that a test driver role in a top team can give him the experience of a top team operation and a good card later to get a drive in a middle team because they will want him so they can get a little of that Mclaren experience and how a top team operates.
      Personally i think his gunning for a test driver role at Force India. At least that’s what i will have done. It’s the best chance to get a drive and they lack a test driver after Sutil leaving and Hulk being promoted to driver role.
      They have a good reputation of promoting their test drivers and giving them Friday practice time. Also with two young drivers in their team if one beats the other convincingly then Force India might think of getting rid of the second one.
      But even if that doesn’t happen Mercedes might take Di Resta or even the Hulk after Shumi contract ends.

  7. Harvs (@harvs) said on 9th January 2012, 0:54

    my dad has told me many times, “take what you can get”, and ive ignored him as many times as he has told me, but when i started taking the opportunities my life changed so much. Alg there are so many drivers looking for a drive next year, maybe you should count your blessings

    • celeste (@celeste) said on 9th January 2012, 1:56

      Your dad is a wise man, and I agree. I don´t think Top Teams are really looking for Alguersuari as an option. Even so, I think he will be taking the risk to become Pedro de la Rosa 2.0.

      I´m starting to think that Alguersuari is looking beyond his own reality and believing his own hype… sadly I don´t think he is good enough for top drive, and now he may have giving away his best chance to continue on F1

    • Mike (@mike) said on 9th January 2012, 4:03

      If he goes to HRT it would likely be similar to Glock’s situation. A good solid driver unable to show his worth. Coming 20th, even if you did well to do it, won’t attract the big teams attention.

  8. sato113 (@sato113) said on 9th January 2012, 1:02

    concerning COTD- even if you subtracted Webber’s 258 points from Red Bull’s 650 constructors points, they’d still be 2nd with 392 points, 17 points above ferrari and 105 points behind mclaren. so not bad!

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 1:56

      even if you subtracted Webber’s 258 points from Red Bull’s 650 constructors points, they’d still be 2nd with 392 points, 17 points above ferrari and 105 points behind mclaren

      But if Webber failed to score at each and every race in the season, everyone else would move up a place. So that’s 258 points that you need to re-distribute among the other teams.

      And I was also thinking in terms of the future rather than the previous season. Red Bull might ave dominated the season, but the other teams learn quickly. The statistics posted by Keith the other day show that McLaren in particular were quickly closing the gap. Ferrari certainly won’t rest on their laurels, and sooner or later Mercedes are going to find the exta push they need to be regular podium contenders.

      • sato113 (@sato113) said on 9th January 2012, 2:43

        But if Webber failed to score at each and every race in the season, everyone else would move up a place. So that’s 258 points that you need to re-distribute among the other teams.

        yes very true.

        seems like starting the year with the best car is the way forward though. you could actually afford to develop slower than your main rivals who are playing catch up.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th January 2012, 8:14

        Not to mention the fact that sometimes even the best “first” driver needs a bit of pushing into the right direction at times.

        Last year Vettel did not need much of that but in 2010 I think he had a good look at Webbers setup for hints where to improve.

        • sato113 (@sato113) said on 9th January 2012, 15:39

          vettel did alot better in 2010 than his points suggest:
          add 13 for Bahrain,
          25 for Australia,
          and 25 for Korea.
          that’s another 63 points, and of course the other’s would drop a few points too.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 22:07

            Except that he didn’t finish those races, so why should we add those points to his tally? Because he was leading the race at some point? That doesn’t count for much – as Jenson Button proved in Canada last year, you only need to be leading the race on the last lap to win.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 10th January 2012, 6:57

            Yes, Vettel did suffer some car trouble, but I was rather talking about car setup things he had from missing running in FP due to either technical problems or shunts.

  9. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 9th January 2012, 1:07

    Looks like Alguersuari knows how worth he is. he prefers staying of for a year (you can say that’s also a step backwards, but being in a halt is just much better than an HRT. He didn’t buy the”it could be you”. Jaime said “me? I’d better wait”

  10. Mike the bike Schumacher (@mike-the-bike-schumacher) said on 9th January 2012, 1:22

    To be honest i’m glad Jaime turned down that seat. I only wanted to vote one driver to stay in F1 in the poll the other day (sutil btw) rather than vote for the other to go to hrt.

  11. Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 9th January 2012, 1:32

    Don’t like the idea of a driver foregoing a race seat so he can drive around on a Friday in a nicer car. Shouldn’t all drivers want to be on the grid, racing, instead of being a test driver?

  12. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 9th January 2012, 2:12

    I think it was a mistake for Alguersuari yes HRT is a team where you don’t want to be but with these days testing rules I don’t think reserve driver role is a good one for him.Even if he get a test role for Ferrari that won’t serve anything to him relative a 20 race drive for HRT. Secondly when you have Dela Rosa as your team mate there is lots of things to learn from him as his experience from Mclaren which is valuable. So I was him I would rather go to HRT then for Williams.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th January 2012, 8:16

      But if Alguersuari has a shot at learning at McLaren first hand, taking over Pedro’s role?

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 9th January 2012, 11:27

        Seems a strange thing to do, seeing as after everything Pedro has ended up at the very team Alguersuari is avoiding. Pedro may be respected, but starting down his career path doesn’t look like a smart move for a driver who wants more than 10 races in the next 5 years.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th January 2012, 15:04

          Maybe its better to have those 10 races than none at all, or just 4-5 before being left out in the musical chair of HRT?
          And if he impresses McLaren with speed, he might have a more realistic shot of a race drive than Pedro had (remember they were seriously considering him in 2006 before they went along with promoting Hamilton directly into a race seat)

          • wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 10th January 2012, 2:23

            @BasCB will Mclaren have him? I think they are more going in a all British team.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 10th January 2012, 6:59

            @wasif1 – I am quite sure that McLaren is not targetting to be a “british” team with just UK drivers.

            They will be based in the UK, sure. But their drivers country of origin is not going to be a reason to sign/not to sign a driver.

  13. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 9th January 2012, 2:48

    @Sato113 @Prisoner-Monkeys I worked it out, may not be accurate, but you get the jist of it.

    1 Vettel 395
    2 Button 288
    3 Alonso 277
    4 Hamilton 246
    5 Massa 147

    1 McLaren 534
    2 Ferrari 424
    3 Red Bull 395

    • Mike (@mike) said on 9th January 2012, 4:07

      I see where PM is coming from, but Webber does a decent job. Honestly, I think Red Bull should be very happy with their line up.

      So Mclaren has two top name drivers. In the end, it’s the Drivers title people want.

      (Yes I know WCC = $$, but again, that’s not the one that the celebrate hard for is it?)

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 6:34

        @mike – I’m not saying that Red Bull should or shouldn’t drop Webber. I’m saying that they can’t rely on Sebastian Vettel to win the World Constructors’ Championship simply because Helmut Marko doesn’t want to replace Webber (whenever he leaves) with a driver who will not threaten Vettel. If somebody else was in the car last year instead of Webber, they would have needed to have scored 154 points for the team to secure the World Constructors’ Championship. Vettel, Button, Webber, Alonso and Hamilton were the only driver to score enough points to do it.

        It’s not a question of who should replace Webber when he retires. It’s a matter of hiring the best driver available to score as many points as possible. If they want another WCC, then they need someone who can carry the torch – even if that means challenging Vettel for the WDC – no matter how much Helmut Marko dislikes it. He may have already done irreparable damage to the team because everyone knows his mistreats drivers. When the time comes to replace Webber, the front-running drivers may pass on a Red Bull seat because they know they will not be allowed to fight for the championship even if they have a car worthy of it.

        • Mike (@mike) said on 9th January 2012, 7:11

          I just don’t agree that a second top line driver would necessarily be the best thing for the team.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 7:21

            Why? Red Bull need the best two drivers available to them at any given moment. McLaren have two top-tier drivers in Button and Hamilton, and they’ve proven that it works. Red Bull can’t really afford to run Vettel in one car and Buemi in the second when there is a better candidate than Buemi out there – because otherwise, they’ll be in a situation like McLaren in 2008, forced to run an underwhelming driver because taht was all that was available.

          • Slr (@slr) said on 9th January 2012, 8:48

            I agree with PM, just look at Ferrari, they have been doomed to finish third for the past two years because Massa hasn’t been able to match or get close to Alonso. If Red Bull didn’t have a dominant car, they would need stronger second driver, otherwise McLaren would easily win the constructors title.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 9th January 2012, 11:30

            Ferrari is the perfect example of why a great driver with one who is driving sub-standard is a bad idea. In 2010, Ferrari focused on Alonso winning the WDC. But if they’d had a better 2nd driver they might have kept in the frame for the WCC when that didn’t pan out.

        • BBT (@bbt) said on 9th January 2012, 12:26

          If somebody else was in the car last year instead of Webber, they would have needed to have scored 154 points for the team to secure the World Constructors’ Championship. Vettel, Button, Webber, Alonso and Hamilton were the only driver to score enough points to do it.

          So the question has to be who do with think are the others that could of scored that many in the RB7?

          Maybe Buemi could have or 70% of the drivers on the grid.

          Although I take the point my comment above only applies if RBR are dominant and Vettel is driving extremely well.

  14. Mike (@mike) said on 9th January 2012, 4:08

    I don’t like Marko, His only concern is Vettel winning. I think being in the Red Bull driver clique would be great until you actually have to deal directly to Marko.

  15. OOliver said on 9th January 2012, 7:34

    How can one turn down a drive you are not offered?
    Sala said already, they were not looking in his direction.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th January 2012, 7:40

      If Sala made those comments the minutes ago, maybe I could understand this. Otherwise, you have no evidence that HRT did not offer him a drive. HRT are really pushing for a “Spanish identity” this time around, no doubt to attract more sponsors. What was stopping those sponsors from suggesting the team look at Alguersuari after Sala made those comments to the media?

      • OOliver said on 9th January 2012, 19:37

        When Alguersuari was sacked Sala when asked said they were already making plans for their second driver and couldn’t consider him.
        Alguersuari’s comments as I interprete it, simply means he won’t pursue a drive with HRT, and not that he was offered a drive.
        HRT already have a driver they are paying, now they need a pay driver and Alguersuari no longer has Redbull sponsorship.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th January 2012, 8:20

      What PM writes makes sense. Or it might be Alguersuari making sure the sponsors he is looking for in support do not have to fear ending up sponsoring a backmarkter team (instead of a halfway successfull or even top team), to keep them from turning away from him.
      I guess many sponsors do not look that much forward to being at the back end of the grid.

      • BBT (@bbt) said on 9th January 2012, 12:32

        True, but very difficult to know.

        Maybe a sponsor would like to know that their driver is going to be on the grid, anywhere on the grid, than continue to support someone with the uncertainly that they will make the grid growing.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th January 2012, 15:06

          I am not so sure of that @bbt, I would not want my brand associated with a guy being seen to go from mid grid to back of the grid. Would not really be the image of being successfull one would like to present, would it.

          Rather keep supporting a guy with a berth in a top team “biding his time” and staying loyal with him there.

          • BBT (@bbt) said on 10th January 2012, 12:45

            @BasCB it depends on the situation, I have a sponsorship budget to spend on ‘x’ sporting event(s) (this case F1) to give my business/product a high profile.

            A winner or someone doing well is preferable obviously, but my mandate to spend the money on the event(s) to promote my business, just being seen to be there is advantageous and I have achieved my objective. If the guy I’ve backed fails to make the sporting event (F1, Olympics etc) I’ve failed and have have some serious questions to answer.

            On another note, it could be argued that the teams as the back get more exposure than the team in the mid of the pack.

            Just an alternative way of looking at it as I have experience buy the best exposure for the money approach, backing someone that might not be in the sport for 12 months is not an option, although that might not be the case here.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 10th January 2012, 18:38

            Hm, interesting @bbt, I agree that backing someone who is likely to get dropped during the season will not be the thing to do. Unless he is the one getting in mid season, that tends to get quite a bit of media time, i’d guess.

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