2002 Malaysian Grand Prix start

Which teams will still be in F1 in ten years’ time?

Debates and pollsPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

2002 Malaysian Grand Prix start
Just four of the 11 teams from 2002 remain

Of the 11 teams which contested the 2002 season, just four remain on the grid ten years later.

And of those, one has been taken over and then sold again in the intervening period.

Manufacturers come and go

Peugeot’s shock announcement on Wednesday that it was scrapping its endurance racing team served as a reminder that teams backed by car manufacturers can disappear with little warning.

Those in F1 have recent experience of this – Renault, Honda, BMW and Toyota have all set up and then abandoned F1 projects within the last decade, though Renault remain as an engine supplier.

Other manufacturers have demonstrated greater staying power: none more so than Ferrari, the only team left from the first year of the world championship in 1950.

Having had an F1 team in the fifties, Mercedes returned to the sport as an engine supplier in 1994, and became a full works outfit again two years ago.

Which teams will still be in F1 in 2022?

  • Red Bull (51%)
  • McLaren (96%)
  • Ferrari (97%)
  • Mercedes (46%)
  • Lotus (21%)
  • Force India (16%)
  • Sauber (27%)
  • Toro Rosso (9%)
  • Williams (45%)
  • Caterham (27%)
  • HRT (2%)
  • Marussia (2%)

Total Voters: 486

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McLaren are taking their first steps as a car manufacturer. Lotus, following a lengthy legal battle, have now united their F1 team with their car manufacturing operation.

Other teams with affiliations to car manufacturers are Caterham (formerly Lotus) and Marussia (formerly Virgin) – both teams which first entered the sport in 2010.

The independents

Of the rest, Williams have been active the longest, but are mired in their worst-ever losing streak.

World champions, Red Bull, and their young driver training school Toro Rosso, are financed by the vast sums Dietrich Mateschitz has made selling cans of energy drinks.

Force India are entering their fifth season but it remains to be seen whether the problems affecting parts of Vijay Mallya’s financial empire will have an effect on his F1 team.

Having been briefly taken over by BMW, Sauber are an independent team once more. Owner Peter Sauber was enticed back to the sport when the team he created threatened to disappear at the end of 2009.

And finally there’s HRT, who only made it into the sport by the skin of their teeth in 2010 when Grupo Hispania took over Adrian Campos’s entry, and changed hands again last year. We wait to see if 2012 will see the team continue their tradition of shaking down their new car at the first race of the season.

Lost names

Mika Salo, Toyota, Melbourne, 2002
Toyota: arrived in 2002, left in 2009, now returning to Le Mans

Running a Formula 1 team is a fearfully expensive business even for those running around at the back of the field. The casualties of the 2002-2011 period include names like Arrows and Minardi, who spent decades in the sport and started hundreds of races.

Other lost names include Jordan, BAR, Renault, Jaguar, Arrows, Minardi, Toyota, Honda, BMW-Sauber, Midland, Super Aguri, Spyker, Brawn and Virgin.

What does the future hold for the current 12 entrants – one-quarter of which have changed names over the winter? Do they have what it takes to last another decade in F1? And is the high rate of turnover among teams bad for the sport?

Cast your vote in the poll and have your say in the comments.

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F1 teams 2002-2012

This chart shows the championship positions achieved by all the teams that have competed in F1 in the last ten years. Use the controls below to hide or show different teams:


1950 1951 1952 1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
McLaren 9 10 2 4 5 6 3 3 1 3 2 3 8 7 9 6 2 5 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 2 4 4 4 4 1 2 2 2 3 3 5 2 3 11 2 3 2 2
Ferrari 2 2 3 1 6 4 1 4 2 5 4 5 2 3 4 6 2 1 1 1 2 1 10 5 1 1 2 2 4 4 2 3 2 3 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 2 1 1 4 3 3
Red Bull 7 7 5 7 2 1 1
Mercedes 4 4
Renault 12 6 4 3 3 2 5 7 4 4 3 1 1 3 4 8 5 5
Force India 10 9 7 6
Williams 9 2 1 1 4 4 6 3 1 1 7 2 4 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 3 5 3 3 2 2 4 5 8 4 8 7 6 9
HRT 11 11
Toro Rosso 9 7 6 10 9 8
Sauber 7 8 7 7 7 6 8 8 4 5 6 6 8 7
Lotus 6 4 2 2 2 1 3 1 5 2 8 1 3 1 5 1 1 4 7 4 2 1 4 5 7 5 8 3 4 3 3 4 6 8 9 5 6 10 10
Virgin 12 12
Arrows 10 9 7 8 11 10 9 8 10 7 5 7 9 8 7 9 7 10 11
BAR 5 6 8 5 2 6
BMW Sauber 5 2 3 6 8
Brawn 1
Honda 6 8 4 6 4 8 9
Jaguar 9 8 7 7 7
Jordan 5 11 10 5 6 5 5 4 3 6 5 6 9 9 9
Midland 10
Minardi 10 11 7 11 8 10 10 9 10 11 9 10 10 10
Spyker 10
Super Aguri 11 9 11
Toyota 10 8 8 4 6 6 5 5

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120 comments on “Which teams will still be in F1 in ten years’ time?”

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  1. What makes a team a team? A lot of people in Canada got excited this season with the return of the Winnipeg Jets franchise to the NHL. The original franchise moved away and this new incarnation is actually the results of a different franchise moving “back” to Winnipeg. But no-one really cares about that – to many they’re still the Winnipeg Jets, regardless of how they came back.

    In light of that, I would agree that being the same team but changing the name actually does constitute a new outfit. In which case, I expect only Ferrari and McLaren to still be there.

    It’s not hard to see the smaller teams being bought out, Mateschitz getting rid of Toro Rosso Lotus getting bored of its title sponsorship, Mercedes pulling a BMW. But there is something about Red Bull I don’t see surviving either, call it a hunch. Oddly I think Caterham has a good chance of staying around, not forever but maybe for the ten years.

  2. Which teams will still be in F1 in ten years’ time?

    That’s assuming F1 will still be around :P

    Ferrari, probably Mclaren. Red Bull unless they have a disaster. Williams will either die off in a few years or bounce back once the rules are shaken up but I bet it’s the former which means it’s probably be the latter. Renault will be around. They might not be a team but I think they’ll always be around F1. I’ll take a wild guess and say HRT too. Yep, I’m crazy but if I’m right can I get a prize? :P

    1. @Steph

      That’s assuming F1 will still be around :P


      1. @Mike you never know what could happen…

  3. Ok so am going to take a stab in the dark and say which teams will be in F1 in 10 yrs time

    Red Bull/Renault
    Torro Rosso

    1. I’m still waiting for the Flanders car…

  4. I’ve gone for McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes and Williams. I think McLaren and Ferrari are pretty obvious choices due to their history and success and it would be silly for them to move away. I think Mercedes are also in it for the long term and if they don’t get the results and walk away before then that would not go down well at all. Williams is more of a hope that within the next ten years Williams will be at the top of the field and winning and stay in F1.

    I’m not sure about Red Bull staying in F1, the reason being that they have achieved what they set out to achieve – win both titles. They have know done this for 2 consecutive years now and you have to wonder whether they can keep that up. They could go either way and want to recreate the dominant Ferrari years (if they can that is) or bow out soon knowing they have blown the oppositiion away. I think the other teams we have will probably stick around but in different guises.

    I think that change is good for F1 as it brings new talent to the board and also gives other teams a chance to rise to the top of the pile/sink to the bottom. I think as long as we have the teams like McLaren, Ferrari and Williams then all will be OK.

  5. Can someone explain that graph? how come for example there is no position 1 in 1995 and yet williams have position 2.

    1. In 1995 Benneton won the constructors with Williams coming 2nd and the graph only shows teams which have been in f1 between 2002 & 2012. Since Benneton were bought over by Renault in 2002 they aren’t in it.

      1. Ah of course when shumi hit the scene.

  6. I find this constant changing of identity a little sad.

    It reminds me of the current state of the Premier League (football/soccer) and their stadiums all being renamed seemingly bi-yearly.

  7. Blimey. Ended up picking just four (McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes, Williams) and even that was more ‘3 and hopefully Williams’.

  8. You say only 4 teams have remained, I would say that’s a little misleading. 4 team names have remained, the teams themselves havent changed too much, and have existed in different guises.

    Jordan>Midland>Spyker>Force Inida
    Sauber>BMW Sauber>Sauber
    Reanult>Lotus Renault GP
    Minardi>Toro Rosso
    Jaguar>Red Bull

    Many of these teams have retained their engineers and their bases, I would suggest the teams are still here, just different owners.

    Sorry for the pedantic post!

  9. I would go for teams that dont have a bunch of bean-counters deciding the fate. Teams that are in it to race not for brand awareness or developing technologies for road car use.

    Williams, Ferarri, McLaren as it has always been.

    Taking a bet?
    Sauber possibly.
    HRT for the long odds.

  10. IF the F1 will still be around in current form, three teams are most certain to participate in 2022 World Championship. Ferrari, Mclaren and Aureo.

    Ferrari being Ferrari, Mclaren will become a succesfull car manufacturer with strong presence in racing and that third unknown outfit… Well let’s spill the beans. It’s my company that i’m just starting. 10 years from now and i will fund my F1 team, or maybe form a partnership to sponsor McLaren like Vodafone today, haven’t decided yet.

    Of that, i can assure you. :D

  11. I Love The Pope
    20th January 2012, 15:23

    This is why I have always said it is pointless to get all excited about constructors when they come and go so often. I follow the drivers and the drivers title is all that matters. What team they race for is relatively irrelevant. The only exception for me would be Ferrari – whom I used to hate, but now see that they are the only ones who stick around.

    1. I find the fluidity of F1 one of the best things about being a fan. For example, I’ve followed Jenson all of his career, no matter what team he drove for. But prefered, say, Brawn and BAR to McClaren.

      And as a team, I’ve really liked Caterham(Lotus) since they came into the sport, and subsequently look out for their drivers.

      1. I Love The Pope
        20th January 2012, 21:19

        Well, right. You’ve followed Jensen – not the fly-by-night teams he’s driven for (exception for McLaren).

  12. Playing about with the graph just makes me long to have the 80’s and 90’s back…

  13. Can I just say that I love the graphs on this website.

    1. @georgedaviesf1 You certainly can!

    2. I also love them, with the minor exception of vote tally graphs.

      Driver polls tend to represent zero vote drivers with more votes than 1 vote drivers.

      Now this poll has McLaren with a longer bar/band/line/whatever than Ferrari, with 5 votes less (in FF, that is).

      Could you enquire about this with the developer of the poll widget please?

  14. I think it’ll only be the same three Ferrari, Mclaren, and Williams, who have been there for so long. Although i believe Williams will be under very different ownership. I can see that if someone does take over them ,they’ll keep the same name.

  15. Want a radical view? None of them!
    The sport is becoming so horrendously expensive that only the mega-rich can play, but that will only endure as long as they are making enough money to break even.
    The sponsorship revenues are going to begin falling, because of the loss of the free to air TV coverage.
    The only markets that will be open to them, to display their wares, will be in the middle and far east, as the greed of the sports sends the cost of staging an event spiraling out of control.
    Countries where the government ‘buys’ the race and the local ‘fans’ can’t afford tickets or expensive cars, which will spell the end of the European teams with a manufacturing base. Expect to see new teams from Kia, Proton, Hyundai, Tata, Parr F1 etc.
    More and more countries and tracks in the west refuse to subsidise the sport of the super rich.
    As the costs spiral the mega rich team owners will tire and let go of their expensive toys and move on to other forms of entertainment.
    Add to that the never ending ‘elf’n’safety rules being introduced by the FIA. The effective ‘dumbing down’ of the pinnacle of motor sport. By 2022 the engines will probably be de-tuned Ford Ka units limited to 1,800 rpm, with an automatic gearbox and ‘collision avoidance’ cruise control. Pay drivers will be welcome (put your credit card in the slot in the dashboard and drive till credit limit is reached. Wings will be banned as will, wide brimmed hats, but skirts will be allowed, as long as they are below the knee.
    In the next ten years there will be some significant retirements from the sport. Sir Frank Williams, Peter Sauber (he’s already done it once), Bernard Charles Ecclestone (PLEASE), and a fifty year old Herr Schumacher.
    Here is the view from F1 in purgatory. May it never be so.

    1. haha, F1 The Apocalypse!

  16. I like this topic Keith… You can see that, by resting the results of total voters, more than half (total 248 while writing this) of people who answered the poll think Williams won’t stay so long (me included), This is a team which was created by sir Frank and personally I think that without his persona, it wil be very difficult to command the team, moreover observe how the team is now (some teams have recovered from terrible times and let’s hope Williams can) but a truth is Sir Frank (even if he lives 10 more years) may not be able to have the strenght to run the team EFFICIENTLY. You can put managers, you can hire people but sometimes F1 is just about spirit. You can say I’m wrong or too passionate for the sport, but how was the Toyota issue? A millionaire company hiring good staff and not wining even a single race.

  17. I think it’s interesting to note that the long term teams Ferrari, McLaren and Williams – independent or not – all have a business built around their involvement in F1.

    Most other teams, even manufacturer linked teams like Mercedes, Lotus or Marussia are tending to be A a racing team with + B a brand airbrushed on the bodywork that could be washed off when they get bored. The brand B often becomes interchangeable and they are likely to disappear, even if the team A stays.

    Caterham seem to be starting an approach similar to the long term teams with F1 a strong pillar of the business Tony Fernandes is building. How this will play out may be hard to predict if, down the line, the team moves to Malaysia or if Fernandes sells Caterham (F1, cars and composites together).

    Sauber are of a similar trend with a focus that has been wider than F1, and their long term future at the top level may depend on what becomes of the team if Peter Sauber leaves – whether they continue as Sauber, rebrand or fold.
    This would most likely be dependant on the success of the team and if they rise to “household name” levels of recognition. This could also be said of many teams. Without this recognition the independent racing teams seem to rebrand or disappear.
    If Minardi had be remembered for winning would they still be around perhaps?

  18. Is Minardi counted as a “lost” team? It was rebranded as STR, but the team’s the same.
    Otherwise it’s hard to see Marussia and HRT lasting long, more so without changing owner/name.

    1. @Fixy

      Is Minardi counted as a “lost” team?


      When Sebastian Vettel won the 2008 Italian Grand Prix, it wasn’t a case of Minardi finally winning a race after 23 years. It was Toro Rosso winning their first race in their third season.

      1. So I picked Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari, Lotus, Sauber, Toro Rosso and Williams.
        I’ll definitely be checking this back in 2022.

  19. I think that McLaren and Ferrari will stay, as their businesses both depend on the on-track activities to the extent that business would be in danger if they pulled out.

    Red Bull will remain as long as success is for the taking, and I think that Sauber will still be around in some form. To survive on what they have for so long is an achievement not to be sniffed at. Williams and Caterham are both fairly likely to stay – probably – as are Mercedes.

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