Which teams will still be in F1 in ten years’ time?

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Just four of the 11 teams from 2002 remain

Of the 11 teams which contested the 2002 season, just four remain on the grid ten years later.

And of those, one has been taken over and then sold again in the intervening period.

Manufacturers come and go

Peugeot’s shock announcement on Wednesday that it was scrapping its endurance racing team served as a reminder that teams backed by car manufacturers can disappear with little warning.

Those in F1 have recent experience of this – Renault, Honda, BMW and Toyota have all set up and then abandoned F1 projects within the last decade, though Renault remain as an engine supplier.

Other manufacturers have demonstrated greater staying power: none more so than Ferrari, the only team left from the first year of the world championship in 1950.

Having had an F1 team in the fifties, Mercedes returned to the sport as an engine supplier in 1994, and became a full works outfit again two years ago.

Which teams will still be in F1 in 2022?

  • Red Bull (51%)
  • McLaren (96%)
  • Ferrari (97%)
  • Mercedes (46%)
  • Lotus (21%)
  • Force India (16%)
  • Sauber (27%)
  • Toro Rosso (9%)
  • Williams (45%)
  • Caterham (27%)
  • HRT (2%)
  • Marussia (2%)

Total Voters: 486

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McLaren are taking their first steps as a car manufacturer. Lotus, following a lengthy legal battle, have now united their F1 team with their car manufacturing operation.

Other teams with affiliations to car manufacturers are Caterham (formerly Lotus) and Marussia (formerly Virgin) – both teams which first entered the sport in 2010.

The independents

Of the rest, Williams have been active the longest, but are mired in their worst-ever losing streak.

World champions, Red Bull, and their young driver training school Toro Rosso, are financed by the vast sums Dietrich Mateschitz has made selling cans of energy drinks.

Force India are entering their fifth season but it remains to be seen whether the problems affecting parts of Vijay Mallya’s financial empire will have an effect on his F1 team.

Having been briefly taken over by BMW, Sauber are an independent team once more. Owner Peter Sauber was enticed back to the sport when the team he created threatened to disappear at the end of 2009.

And finally there’s HRT, who only made it into the sport by the skin of their teeth in 2010 when Grupo Hispania took over Adrian Campos’s entry, and changed hands again last year. We wait to see if 2012 will see the team continue their tradition of shaking down their new car at the first race of the season.

Lost names

Mika Salo, Toyota, Melbourne, 2002

Toyota: arrived in 2002, left in 2009, now returning to Le Mans

Running a Formula 1 team is a fearfully expensive business even for those running around at the back of the field. The casualties of the 2002-2011 period include names like Arrows and Minardi, who spent decades in the sport and started hundreds of races.

Other lost names include Jordan, BAR, Renault, Jaguar, Arrows, Minardi, Toyota, Honda, BMW-Sauber, Midland, Super Aguri, Spyker, Brawn and Virgin.

What does the future hold for the current 12 entrants – one-quarter of which have changed names over the winter? Do they have what it takes to last another decade in F1? And is the high rate of turnover among teams bad for the sport?

Cast your vote in the poll and have your say in the comments.

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F1 teams 2002-2012

This chart shows the championship positions achieved by all the teams that have competed in F1 in the last ten years. Use the controls below to hide or show different teams:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/charts/allteams.csv

1950 1951 1952 1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
McLaren 9 10 2 4 5 6 3 3 1 3 2 3 8 7 9 6 2 5 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 2 4 4 4 4 1 2 2 2 3 3 5 2 3 11 2 3 2 2
Ferrari 2 2 3 1 6 4 1 4 2 5 4 5 2 3 4 6 2 1 1 1 2 1 10 5 1 1 2 2 4 4 2 3 2 3 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 2 1 1 4 3 3
Red Bull 7 7 5 7 2 1 1
Mercedes 4 4
Renault 12 6 4 3 3 2 5 7 4 4 3 1 1 3 4 8 5 5
Force India 10 9 7 6
Williams 9 2 1 1 4 4 6 3 1 1 7 2 4 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 3 5 3 3 2 2 4 5 8 4 8 7 6 9
HRT 11 11
Toro Rosso 9 7 6 10 9 8
Sauber 7 8 7 7 7 6 8 8 4 5 6 6 8 7
Lotus 6 4 2 2 2 1 3 1 5 2 8 1 3 1 5 1 1 4 7 4 2 1 4 5 7 5 8 3 4 3 3 4 6 8 9 5 6 10 10
Virgin 12 12
Arrows 10 9 7 8 11 10 9 8 10 7 5 7 9 8 7 9 7 10 11
BAR 5 6 8 5 2 6
BMW Sauber 5 2 3 6 8
Brawn 1
Honda 6 8 4 6 4 8 9
Jaguar 9 8 7 7 7
Jordan 5 11 10 5 6 5 5 4 3 6 5 6 9 9 9
Midland 10
Minardi 10 11 7 11 8 10 10 9 10 11 9 10 10 10
Spyker 10
Super Aguri 11 9 11
Toyota 10 8 8 4 6 6 5 5

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120 comments on Which teams will still be in F1 in ten years’ time?

  1. Girts (@girts) said on 20th January 2012, 19:42

    It’s hard to imagine the world without Formula 1 or Formula 1 without McLaren, Ferrari and Williams. On the other hand, as one of my favourite musicians sings, nothing good could last forever. Lehman Brothers were invincible for more than 150 years. And we are living in turbulent times.

    Nevertheless, my gut feeling is that F1, F1 Fanatic, Ferrari, McLaren, Sauber and Caterham will still be around in 2022.

  2. verstappen (@verstappen) said on 20th January 2012, 20:39

    Hadn’t expect that so many people (myself included) see Red Bull as a stayer. I think as long as F1 stays popular, it makes sense for them.

    Even if F1 becomes more controversial, because of environmentalistas, I think it still fits with their rebellion image.

    And then, there might come a point when there’s so much racing in their blood and DNA that they keep on selling those cans to support their F1 team. Which makes sense, what else to do with all that money…

  3. I Love The Pope said on 20th January 2012, 21:20

    I believe Ferrari and McLaren will still be there, but the rest will not be. I hope that Mercedes is, but I have my doubts. Perhaps we should just give half the field to Ferrari and the other half to McLaren.

  4. Mads (@mads) said on 20th January 2012, 21:28

    I voted McLaren Ferrari and RB.
    I think Caterham is still there, trouble is, they have allready changed name once after just two years so I won’t be surprised if someone else comes along, could be Bentley, could be Aston who knows? to change their name once again.
    Red Bull is a bit of a risk, but considering that extreme sport is what they are selling their fizzy drink on I don’t see that they should bail out just like that.
    Mercedes isn’t very likely to stay I think. Manufactures come and go as they want and rarely stay for longer periods. Especially when it isn’t really a factory team, it is “just” another F1 team in southern england which Mercedes pays money to be painted silver.
    As I see it Williams is on their way out, I just can’t see them hang around much longer. Patric head is gone, and Frank can’t go on forever either.
    When that happens I think it is likely that they will be renamed to make money from a sponsor.

  5. Alehud42 (@alehud42) said on 20th January 2012, 23:08

    Ferrari have F1 in their blood. Cert.
    McLaren have, unlike Williams and Benetton/Renault/Lotus, used their success to build an infrastructure that has allowed them to have longevity. Cert.
    Williams, with their drivers and the mess they are in, will be dead by 2015.
    I think Benetton/Renault/Lotus and Tyrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes will be around in one form or another.
    Red Bull could either become the next Williams, or the next Williams. When Materschitz pulls out, I can see RB not surviving.
    Toro Rosso, when Materschitz pulls out, will survive, but with a pool of ever decreasing talent.
    Force India will thrive, and I can see them winning a race by 2015.
    Caterham will be in the midfield somewhere, I don’t know.
    HRT and Marussia, dead in two years.

    • Mike (@mike) said on 21st January 2012, 3:38

      The problem for Mclaren is, if there form drops like Williams has, then things will get harder and harder. In 10 years they could find themselves in the position Williams is now.

      Don’t forget, in 2004 Williams was still one of the big 3. That’s not that long ago.

  6. Anti-RBR (@matt2208) said on 20th January 2012, 23:58

    Mclaren
    &
    Ferrari
    Are the only two i can see still being there in ten years. Red bull isnt going to be winning ”Team” for much longer, they(RB) will drop out in the next 3 to 5 years. Well i hope so anyway.

  7. Phillip Blueno said on 21st January 2012, 6:42

    I don’t agree with this…alot of these teams just changed hands and evolved into new team names, they didn’t completely disintegrate. The only teams whom have completely dissolved were only 2 of them, Toyota ans Super Aguri.

    All of these other team names that have shut down still had a tremendous asset value were it is very attractive for another owner to come in and simply by a turn-key operation to enter Formula 1 instead of starting up a team from scratch.

    So in essence, it really was only 2 teams which have only shut down in the last decade, and this still shows that Formula 1 does create a tremendous platform for any multi-national company looking to promote their products and/or services.

  8. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 21st January 2012, 8:06

    I went with Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren and Mercedes. Simply put, I think these 4 will have the finances capable of doing so. Many doubt Red Bull yet they’ve been involved in ‘extreme’ sports for years now and they could really use F1 as their flagship marketing product…as long as they’re successful.

    I can’t see Williams around much longer. Sir Frank isn’t exactly a spring chicken and I think the interest in them and management will wane once he’s retired.

  9. Ferrari and Mclaren, yes, Red Bull and Mercedes, most likely. Toro Rosso, probably as long as Red Bull is there. Williams, maybe, but it’s looking less likely with each season. Sauber, quite possibly. HRT, Marussia and maybe Caterham, I seriously doubt it. Not sure about Lotus and Force India though. However as Formula 1 is unpredictable I could end up being completely wrong about most of or some of these assumptions.

  10. WarfieldF1 said on 23rd January 2012, 15:56

    Ferrari = Yes, its their DNA
    McLaren = Yes, seemingly well financed going forward.
    Red Bull = no, its a marketing exercise
    Torro Rosso = same as Red Bull
    Wiliams = no, too close to the edge
    Mercedes = No, accountants will see it off
    Force India = No, VJ seems pretty skint according to Indian press
    Lotus = No, a venture capital firm and a struggling lotus parent company
    Sauber = No, once Peter goes
    Marussia = No, see Spyker
    HRT = No
    Caterham = No, Tonys money will eventually return to Tony.

    Upbeat prediction i know!!

  11. I think most will still be around but some will probably change identity.

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