Which teams will still be in F1 in ten years’ time?

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2002 Malaysian Grand Prix start

Just four of the 11 teams from 2002 remain

Of the 11 teams which contested the 2002 season, just four remain on the grid ten years later.

And of those, one has been taken over and then sold again in the intervening period.

Manufacturers come and go

Peugeot’s shock announcement on Wednesday that it was scrapping its endurance racing team served as a reminder that teams backed by car manufacturers can disappear with little warning.

Those in F1 have recent experience of this – Renault, Honda, BMW and Toyota have all set up and then abandoned F1 projects within the last decade, though Renault remain as an engine supplier.

Other manufacturers have demonstrated greater staying power: none more so than Ferrari, the only team left from the first year of the world championship in 1950.

Having had an F1 team in the fifties, Mercedes returned to the sport as an engine supplier in 1994, and became a full works outfit again two years ago.

Which teams will still be in F1 in 2022?

  • Red Bull (51%)
  • McLaren (96%)
  • Ferrari (97%)
  • Mercedes (46%)
  • Lotus (21%)
  • Force India (16%)
  • Sauber (27%)
  • Toro Rosso (9%)
  • Williams (45%)
  • Caterham (27%)
  • HRT (2%)
  • Marussia (2%)

Total Voters: 486

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McLaren are taking their first steps as a car manufacturer. Lotus, following a lengthy legal battle, have now united their F1 team with their car manufacturing operation.

Other teams with affiliations to car manufacturers are Caterham (formerly Lotus) and Marussia (formerly Virgin) – both teams which first entered the sport in 2010.

The independents

Of the rest, Williams have been active the longest, but are mired in their worst-ever losing streak.

World champions, Red Bull, and their young driver training school Toro Rosso, are financed by the vast sums Dietrich Mateschitz has made selling cans of energy drinks.

Force India are entering their fifth season but it remains to be seen whether the problems affecting parts of Vijay Mallya’s financial empire will have an effect on his F1 team.

Having been briefly taken over by BMW, Sauber are an independent team once more. Owner Peter Sauber was enticed back to the sport when the team he created threatened to disappear at the end of 2009.

And finally there’s HRT, who only made it into the sport by the skin of their teeth in 2010 when Grupo Hispania took over Adrian Campos’s entry, and changed hands again last year. We wait to see if 2012 will see the team continue their tradition of shaking down their new car at the first race of the season.

Lost names

Mika Salo, Toyota, Melbourne, 2002

Toyota: arrived in 2002, left in 2009, now returning to Le Mans

Running a Formula 1 team is a fearfully expensive business even for those running around at the back of the field. The casualties of the 2002-2011 period include names like Arrows and Minardi, who spent decades in the sport and started hundreds of races.

Other lost names include Jordan, BAR, Renault, Jaguar, Arrows, Minardi, Toyota, Honda, BMW-Sauber, Midland, Super Aguri, Spyker, Brawn and Virgin.

What does the future hold for the current 12 entrants – one-quarter of which have changed names over the winter? Do they have what it takes to last another decade in F1? And is the high rate of turnover among teams bad for the sport?

Cast your vote in the poll and have your say in the comments.

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F1 teams 2002-2012

This chart shows the championship positions achieved by all the teams that have competed in F1 in the last ten years. Use the controls below to hide or show different teams:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/charts/allteams.csv

1950 1951 1952 1953 1954 1955 1956 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 1962 1963 1964 1965 1966 1967 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011
McLaren 9 10 2 4 5 6 3 3 1 3 2 3 8 7 9 6 2 5 1 1 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 2 4 4 4 4 1 2 2 2 3 3 5 2 3 11 2 3 2 2
Ferrari 2 2 3 1 6 4 1 4 2 5 4 5 2 3 4 6 2 1 1 1 2 1 10 5 1 1 2 2 4 4 2 3 2 3 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 3 2 1 1 4 3 3
Red Bull 7 7 5 7 2 1 1
Mercedes 4 4
Renault 12 6 4 3 3 2 5 7 4 4 3 1 1 3 4 8 5 5
Force India 10 9 7 6
Williams 9 2 1 1 4 4 6 3 1 1 7 2 4 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 3 5 3 3 2 2 4 5 8 4 8 7 6 9
HRT 11 11
Toro Rosso 9 7 6 10 9 8
Sauber 7 8 7 7 7 6 8 8 4 5 6 6 8 7
Lotus 6 4 2 2 2 1 3 1 5 2 8 1 3 1 5 1 1 4 7 4 2 1 4 5 7 5 8 3 4 3 3 4 6 8 9 5 6 10 10
Virgin 12 12
Arrows 10 9 7 8 11 10 9 8 10 7 5 7 9 8 7 9 7 10 11
BAR 5 6 8 5 2 6
BMW Sauber 5 2 3 6 8
Brawn 1
Honda 6 8 4 6 4 8 9
Jaguar 9 8 7 7 7
Jordan 5 11 10 5 6 5 5 4 3 6 5 6 9 9 9
Midland 10
Minardi 10 11 7 11 8 10 10 9 10 11 9 10 10 10
Spyker 10
Super Aguri 11 9 11
Toyota 10 8 8 4 6 6 5 5

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120 comments on Which teams will still be in F1 in ten years’ time?

  1. I Love The Pope said on 20th January 2012, 15:23

    This is why I have always said it is pointless to get all excited about constructors when they come and go so often. I follow the drivers and the drivers title is all that matters. What team they race for is relatively irrelevant. The only exception for me would be Ferrari – whom I used to hate, but now see that they are the only ones who stick around.

    • Dan Brown (@danbrown180) said on 20th January 2012, 15:28

      I find the fluidity of F1 one of the best things about being a fan. For example, I’ve followed Jenson all of his career, no matter what team he drove for. But prefered, say, Brawn and BAR to McClaren.

      And as a team, I’ve really liked Caterham(Lotus) since they came into the sport, and subsequently look out for their drivers.

      • I Love The Pope said on 20th January 2012, 21:19

        Well, right. You’ve followed Jensen – not the fly-by-night teams he’s driven for (exception for McLaren).

  2. McLarenFanJamm (@mclarenfanjamm) said on 20th January 2012, 16:42

    Playing about with the graph just makes me long to have the 80’s and 90’s back…

  3. GeorgeDaviesF1 (@georgedaviesf1) said on 20th January 2012, 16:44

    Can I just say that I love the graphs on this website.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 20th January 2012, 17:12

      @georgedaviesf1 You certainly can!

    • I also love them, with the minor exception of vote tally graphs.

      Driver polls tend to represent zero vote drivers with more votes than 1 vote drivers.

      Now this poll has McLaren with a longer bar/band/line/whatever than Ferrari, with 5 votes less (in FF, that is).

      Could you enquire about this with the developer of the poll widget please?

  4. Mike the bike Schumacher (@mike-the-bike-schumacher) said on 20th January 2012, 16:46

    I think it’ll only be the same three Ferrari, Mclaren, and Williams, who have been there for so long. Although i believe Williams will be under very different ownership. I can see that if someone does take over them ,they’ll keep the same name.

  5. Lotus49 (@lotus49) said on 20th January 2012, 17:05

    Want a radical view? None of them!
    The sport is becoming so horrendously expensive that only the mega-rich can play, but that will only endure as long as they are making enough money to break even.
    The sponsorship revenues are going to begin falling, because of the loss of the free to air TV coverage.
    The only markets that will be open to them, to display their wares, will be in the middle and far east, as the greed of the sports sends the cost of staging an event spiraling out of control.
    Countries where the government ‘buys’ the race and the local ‘fans’ can’t afford tickets or expensive cars, which will spell the end of the European teams with a manufacturing base. Expect to see new teams from Kia, Proton, Hyundai, Tata, Parr F1 etc.
    More and more countries and tracks in the west refuse to subsidise the sport of the super rich.
    As the costs spiral the mega rich team owners will tire and let go of their expensive toys and move on to other forms of entertainment.
    Add to that the never ending ‘elf’n’safety rules being introduced by the FIA. The effective ‘dumbing down’ of the pinnacle of motor sport. By 2022 the engines will probably be de-tuned Ford Ka units limited to 1,800 rpm, with an automatic gearbox and ‘collision avoidance’ cruise control. Pay drivers will be welcome (put your credit card in the slot in the dashboard and drive till credit limit is reached. Wings will be banned as will, wide brimmed hats, but skirts will be allowed, as long as they are below the knee.
    In the next ten years there will be some significant retirements from the sport. Sir Frank Williams, Peter Sauber (he’s already done it once), Bernard Charles Ecclestone (PLEASE), and a fifty year old Herr Schumacher.
    Here is the view from F1 in purgatory. May it never be so.

  6. west (@west) said on 20th January 2012, 17:12

    Saubar=bmw

  7. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 20th January 2012, 17:21

    I like this topic Keith… You can see that, by resting the results of total voters, more than half (total 248 while writing this) of people who answered the poll think Williams won’t stay so long (me included), This is a team which was created by sir Frank and personally I think that without his persona, it wil be very difficult to command the team, moreover observe how the team is now (some teams have recovered from terrible times and let’s hope Williams can) but a truth is Sir Frank (even if he lives 10 more years) may not be able to have the strenght to run the team EFFICIENTLY. You can put managers, you can hire people but sometimes F1 is just about spirit. You can say I’m wrong or too passionate for the sport, but how was the Toyota issue? A millionaire company hiring good staff and not wining even a single race.

  8. I think it’s interesting to note that the long term teams Ferrari, McLaren and Williams – independent or not – all have a business built around their involvement in F1.

    Most other teams, even manufacturer linked teams like Mercedes, Lotus or Marussia are tending to be A a racing team with + B a brand airbrushed on the bodywork that could be washed off when they get bored. The brand B often becomes interchangeable and they are likely to disappear, even if the team A stays.

    Caterham seem to be starting an approach similar to the long term teams with F1 a strong pillar of the business Tony Fernandes is building. How this will play out may be hard to predict if, down the line, the team moves to Malaysia or if Fernandes sells Caterham (F1, cars and composites together).

    Sauber are of a similar trend with a focus that has been wider than F1, and their long term future at the top level may depend on what becomes of the team if Peter Sauber leaves – whether they continue as Sauber, rebrand or fold.
    This would most likely be dependant on the success of the team and if they rise to “household name” levels of recognition. This could also be said of many teams. Without this recognition the independent racing teams seem to rebrand or disappear.
    If Minardi had be remembered for winning would they still be around perhaps?

  9. Fixy (@fixy) said on 20th January 2012, 18:38

    Is Minardi counted as a “lost” team? It was rebranded as STR, but the team’s the same.
    Otherwise it’s hard to see Marussia and HRT lasting long, more so without changing owner/name.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 20th January 2012, 18:58

      @Fixy

      Is Minardi counted as a “lost” team?

      Yes.

      When Sebastian Vettel won the 2008 Italian Grand Prix, it wasn’t a case of Minardi finally winning a race after 23 years. It was Toro Rosso winning their first race in their third season.

  10. Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 20th January 2012, 19:25

    I think that McLaren and Ferrari will stay, as their businesses both depend on the on-track activities to the extent that business would be in danger if they pulled out.

    Red Bull will remain as long as success is for the taking, and I think that Sauber will still be around in some form. To survive on what they have for so long is an achievement not to be sniffed at. Williams and Caterham are both fairly likely to stay – probably – as are Mercedes.

  11. Girts (@girts) said on 20th January 2012, 19:42

    It’s hard to imagine the world without Formula 1 or Formula 1 without McLaren, Ferrari and Williams. On the other hand, as one of my favourite musicians sings, nothing good could last forever. Lehman Brothers were invincible for more than 150 years. And we are living in turbulent times.

    Nevertheless, my gut feeling is that F1, F1 Fanatic, Ferrari, McLaren, Sauber and Caterham will still be around in 2022.

  12. verstappen (@verstappen) said on 20th January 2012, 20:39

    Hadn’t expect that so many people (myself included) see Red Bull as a stayer. I think as long as F1 stays popular, it makes sense for them.

    Even if F1 becomes more controversial, because of environmentalistas, I think it still fits with their rebellion image.

    And then, there might come a point when there’s so much racing in their blood and DNA that they keep on selling those cans to support their F1 team. Which makes sense, what else to do with all that money…

  13. I Love The Pope said on 20th January 2012, 21:20

    I believe Ferrari and McLaren will still be there, but the rest will not be. I hope that Mercedes is, but I have my doubts. Perhaps we should just give half the field to Ferrari and the other half to McLaren.

  14. Mads (@mads) said on 20th January 2012, 21:28

    I voted McLaren Ferrari and RB.
    I think Caterham is still there, trouble is, they have allready changed name once after just two years so I won’t be surprised if someone else comes along, could be Bentley, could be Aston who knows? to change their name once again.
    Red Bull is a bit of a risk, but considering that extreme sport is what they are selling their fizzy drink on I don’t see that they should bail out just like that.
    Mercedes isn’t very likely to stay I think. Manufactures come and go as they want and rarely stay for longer periods. Especially when it isn’t really a factory team, it is “just” another F1 team in southern england which Mercedes pays money to be painted silver.
    As I see it Williams is on their way out, I just can’t see them hang around much longer. Patric head is gone, and Frank can’t go on forever either.
    When that happens I think it is likely that they will be renamed to make money from a sponsor.

  15. Alehud42 (@alehud42) said on 20th January 2012, 23:08

    Ferrari have F1 in their blood. Cert.
    McLaren have, unlike Williams and Benetton/Renault/Lotus, used their success to build an infrastructure that has allowed them to have longevity. Cert.
    Williams, with their drivers and the mess they are in, will be dead by 2015.
    I think Benetton/Renault/Lotus and Tyrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes will be around in one form or another.
    Red Bull could either become the next Williams, or the next Williams. When Materschitz pulls out, I can see RB not surviving.
    Toro Rosso, when Materschitz pulls out, will survive, but with a pool of ever decreasing talent.
    Force India will thrive, and I can see them winning a race by 2015.
    Caterham will be in the midfield somewhere, I don’t know.
    HRT and Marussia, dead in two years.

    • Mike (@mike) said on 21st January 2012, 3:38

      The problem for Mclaren is, if there form drops like Williams has, then things will get harder and harder. In 10 years they could find themselves in the position Williams is now.

      Don’t forget, in 2004 Williams was still one of the big 3. That’s not that long ago.

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