Kubica aims to be back in a simulator by June

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Robert Kubica, Renault, Valencia, 2011

Robert Kubica, Renault, Valencia, 2011

In today?s round-up: Robert Kubica looks set to be back in an F1 simulator from June.

Links

Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:

Kubica targeting June comeback in simulator and race car (James Allen on F1)

??Stories coming from Italy suggest that injured F1 driver Robert Kubica aims to get into an F1 simulator and then back into a car and has set his sights on doing it from June onwards.??

Lotus are searching for new funding partners (The Times ?ǣ subscription required)

“Dany Bahar, Lotus chief executive, has been trying to find a partner with the firepower to guarantee debt funding of ??500m. [...] Bahar may have stiff competition for the brand from Genii Capital, the Luxembourg-based buyout firm that already owns the Lotus Formula One team.”

Berger – Schumi will retire (Sky Sports)

??Gerhard Berger has predicted that Michael Schumacher will retire from Formula One for good at the end of the 2012 season.??

Vettel signs new trainer (ESPN)

??Sebastian Vettel has signed up a new personal trainer ahead of the start of the season.??

Timo Glock via Twitter

??Tomorrow will be in England visiting the team! Having a look at the new car.??

F1Fantic via Twitter

??Ferrari test engineer Ossi Oikarinen has joined the Audi Sport Team Rosberg R8 LMS squad alongside ex-#F1 technical director Dieter Gass.??

Torque-sensing wheel-guns for 2012 (F1web.it)

A relaxing of the rules by the FIA will allow teams to use torque-sensing wheel-guns in 2012. Federico Galloni from wheel-gun suppliers Paoli told F1Web.it teams will be able to pre-programme an amount of torque energy to be achieved when fastening the wheel. A set of LED lights will illuminate to show mechanics when the nut has been sufficiently tightened. This may help prevent cars leaving the pits and losing wheels, as has happened several times in recent seasons.

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72 comments on Kubica aims to be back in a simulator by June

  1. nackavich (@nackavich) said on 30th January 2012, 0:27

    I do not blame Vettel’s previous personal trainer choosing to train a women’s hockey team instead of him..

    • ivz (@ivz) said on 30th January 2012, 0:47

      What ever happened to Mark Webber’s trainer? Never seem him at races anymore, did he change trainers?

      • celeste (@celeste) said on 30th January 2012, 4:12

        He change him last year…

        • ivz (@ivz) said on 30th January 2012, 4:26

          Any idea why?

          • Stretch (@stretch) said on 30th January 2012, 10:48

            I was wondering this too, seems they parted ways pretty quietly -can’t find anything on Google!?

          • celeste (@celeste) said on 30th January 2012, 15:09

            No idea, my loving F1 gossip mind want to think that the guy parted ways with Webber after the fracture shoulde:

            He also kept it secret from his team boss Christian Horner, only telling his physio Roger Cleary and F1′s chief medical officer Gary Hartstein.

            After this, the physio just dissapear of Webber´s side… ( he was a big black guy …so it was easy to miss him in the pictures)

            Maybe it was just time, maybe it has something to do with it…

            About Vettel´s physio everyone is making it news because Seb thanking him directly on the press conference after Suzuka and securing the title for second time…

  2. Launch Control (@launch-control) said on 30th January 2012, 0:44

    Finally some Kubica news :) i would be so happy to see him back and as a team mate for raikkonen. he would be a good partner in crime.

  3. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 30th January 2012, 0:58

    How are the G-forces in a simulator? is it any? or does the wheel gives some recistance to his injured arm?

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 30th January 2012, 1:12

      How are the G-forces in a simulator?

      There are no g-forces in the simulator. G-forces require movement, and the simulator is stationary.

      or does the wheel gives some recistance to his injured arm?

      The wheel will not give any added resistance to Kubica’s arm because of his injury. The idea behind getting him into the simulator is to see if he still has the full range of movments that he would need for racing. Because of the shape of the cockpit, a driver’s arms are a little restrained, and so they a certain range of movement. We see this most often at Monaco, when a driver has to cross his arms over while steering to navigate the hairpin. The objective of Kubica’s test will be to see if he can set times in the simulator that would be comparable to the times he was setting before his accident. The team is not going to make any adjustments to the simulator to account for his arm, because then the data would not be representative of anything since the actual car will not be able to accomodate those adjustments. It’s a bit of a trial by fire to put him in the simulator without any degree of compensation, but that’s the point: the team (and Kubica) needs to know if he can handle a car.

      • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 30th January 2012, 1:32

        isn’t Red Bull’s simulator one of those that have an hidraulic system that moves the whole thing about, thus imiting G-Forces?

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 30th January 2012, 2:08

          It does move the cockpit mock-up about, but it cannot exert g-forces on the driver because it’s not moving about the way an actual car would – there is no inertia, so there is no force of gravity.

          • Mike (@mike) said on 30th January 2012, 2:58

            I’m not sure that’s quite right. When the car (simulator) is thrown forwards under braking, surely the movement would be felt by the driver inside.

            Otherwise what would be the point of it moving?!? :D

          • raymondu999 (@raymondu999) said on 30th January 2012, 3:35

            @Mike the whole point is that what we know as “G-force” for the drivers, actually is not just moving. It’s an acceleration. Under braking, the car is accelerating rearwards, and the seatbelt is pushing you back that hard. It’s not a single motion. It’s a constant acceleration. Other than being in a centrifuge there is no way of replicating this.

          • Bertie said on 30th January 2012, 4:54

            That is completely untrue. G-Force are experienced on the simulator. I am sure some of you have ridden in a machine that simulates the G-forces of a roller coaster etc. They are in many arcades (the Namco center had them at one point before it became an extension of Baghdad). The direction of the g-forces is very accurate, however i will concede that it is highly unlikely to be of the same strength.

          • Bertie said on 30th January 2012, 5:00

            @raymondu999 just lie on your back… that is a feeling of accelerating forward with a force of 1g for as long you want.

          • socksolid (@socksolid) said on 30th January 2012, 5:02

            They can also turn the motion off. Or leave it on and see how well Kubica’s body can take it.

          • Bertie said on 30th January 2012, 5:03

            Actually i meant Sega center.

          • raymondu999 (@raymondu999) said on 30th January 2012, 5:06

            @Bertie now you’re being silly. Yes gravity is constantly acting on them. D’oh. But the whole point of the question was the acceleration and whiplash the neck would endure, and the sustained 5G loadings in high speed corners and braking.

          • MahavirShah (@mahavirshah) said on 30th January 2012, 5:17

            Ive tried the simulators at Ferrari world in Abu Dhabhi and while they are not the same thing they do seem to exert a little bit of g-force, specially at the start of the race, with the simulator moving backwards slightly to replicate the accelaration. So I must guess that they would simulate g-forces to an extent.

          • Bertie said on 30th January 2012, 6:38

            @Raymondu999 I clearly stated before that the statement no G-Forces are felt was false. Any acceleration in any direction is a “G-Force” the G is just the unit equal to the force earth’s gravity on the surface. Evidently as i said before a force of 5Gs is very very hard to replicate, however your statement about constant force not being possible in a simulator is also just plain wrong. For the reasons stated above.

          • Bertie said on 30th January 2012, 6:40

            Clearly Newton’s laws of motion are lost on you.

          • Mike (@mike) said on 30th January 2012, 6:47

            In the end, it’ll be the dexterity and the feeling he has in his hand that will be the decided. The G-Force will more than likely be a non issue,

          • Mike (@mike) said on 30th January 2012, 8:15

            @Bertie

            Out of interest, which of Newton’s laws were you talking about?

          • John H (@john-h) said on 30th January 2012, 8:53

            I believe bertie is attempting to refer to the second law (F=ma). Unfortunately for bertie the third law (equal and opposite) means the net Force IS zero, because the ground is pushing back. That’s pretty much why we are not accelerating towards the centre of the earth whilst experiencing 1G acceleration. Sorry Bertie.

        • Eggry (@eggry) said on 30th January 2012, 6:22

          Many simulators have hydraulic arms but it can’t produce high g-force which drivers experience during actual driving. it can give you some tilting, vibration, a little amount of g-force but your neck never be strengthen by simulator.

          • Without some of gravity or linear acceleration there is no way, F1 simulators can produce the same g-forces as in an actual f1 car.

            So the only way for g-forces to be simulated is if, there is some of form of artificial gravity and artificial acceleration in the simulator.

            The current f1 simulators already produce artificial gravity because of complex hydraulics system they use in their simulators but simulators do not produce artificial acceleration. Which in turn produces artificial g-force.

            So the only way for the g-forces to be simulated is by using complex wind tunnel solutions, where air would be blown into the car, to give an acceleration and g force feel. (see wind tunnel testing and air flow testing)

            Where an increase in the simulator speed is directly proportional to the wind tunnel speed.

            In laymen terms, The air blown by wind tunnel, would react to the drivers input, if the driver firmly presses the accelerator, the air blown into car should increase relative, if decided to decelerate the wind tunnel blown air would also decelerate. The phenomena would apply increase and decrease in speed.

            So the only way to have both accelaration and g-force feel in an f1 simulators, is to have both the complex hydraulics system and wind tunnel blown air system.

            But I don’t belief FIA would aprove the teams, to use simulators to simulate accelerations and g-forcees using wind tunnels thou. As the teams could use the simulator to test their aero aero dynamics parts.

            Which is illegal because f1 sized cars are not allowed in a wind tunnel test, only models, are allowed.

      • beanacre said on 30th January 2012, 6:30

        Actually they can simulate long G-forces on the body in corners as they attach the helmet to a mechanical system that will create the G-forces experienced.

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 30th January 2012, 1:16

      or does the wheel gives some recistance to his injured arm?

      If you mean whether or not the wheel has force feedback, I imagine so, and I guess assuring that he can handle it for a race duration (or perhaps just test distance until a few months later) would be part of the purpose.

    • Gridlock (@gridlock) said on 30th January 2012, 2:15

      Dexterity will be his greatest challenge, not enduring g.

      http://pix.crash.net/motorsport/360/PA905440.jpg

    • Calum (@calum) said on 30th January 2012, 7:05

      Seat belt tighteners give a sense of Gs, and movement can be used to give a feel for Gs too, but it’s complicated and difficult to get right, no doubt the big teams have them though!

    • vjanik said on 30th January 2012, 9:24

      Kubica’s problem will not be the g forces. it will be the movement of his right hand and if he still has the coordination needed to put in a fast lap time.

      in that sense the simulator will be able to replicate the actual car very accurately (the power steering and the steering wheel inputs)

    • MacLeod (@macleod) said on 30th January 2012, 22:51

      I build those simuators for 75% of the F1 teams and true they don’t generate 5G but 3G is possible to all directions IF enabled.
      So i did drive India circuit when it was totaly new and it was hard ride my neck is totaly out of shape to enable the g-forces on the machine. There are two versions big and small …

      here a link: you see how it works
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ycBfdRddF4

  4. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 30th January 2012, 1:40

    If Kubica do make a comeback,which team’s simulator will he use?

    & Schumacher do stay for 2013 I will have a good Burger,

    • This is exactly what I was thinking. He isn’t currently under contract with any team.

      I hope he gets in the Ferrari.

    • Gridlock (@gridlock) said on 30th January 2012, 10:12

      I think Eric Boullier (Is Kubica a Gravity driver?) has said that the team feels an obligation to give Robert whatever testing he feels he is ready for, or words to that effect. So I guess, within the RRA or maybe even as an exception (I don’t see anyone objecting) I’d imagine he will be able to have a go in a virtual R30 on a virtual Paul Ricard when he asks.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 30th January 2012, 10:21

        But wasn’t that before Kubica’s contract with them ran out? I think since he has stated that he would only offer the testing in case of an agreement that Kubica would then sign with Renault if he indeed returns.

        • Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 30th January 2012, 20:46

          To be exact he said Robert will not get any testing with Lotus if he signed with any other team for 2012 or 2013, which was an answer to rumors about his preliminary contract with Ferrari for 2013.

          Currently there is no reliable and fresh news about Robert, everything since his tibia fracture is pure speculation.

    • Deurmat (@deurmat) said on 30th January 2012, 16:59

      @wasiF1 there was an article on a dutch newssite that claimed that Kubica will become a Ferrari reserve driver when he recovers and that he can use their simulator.

  5. BradFerrari (@brad-ferrari) said on 30th January 2012, 4:29

    Can’t wait to see Kubica back in F1. Can’t believe it’s almost been a whole since his accident. Lets hope he comes back even faster. :)

  6. Journeyer (@journeyer) said on 30th January 2012, 5:33

    Some thoughts on Mercedes’ 2013 lineup from this roundup,

    1. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Schumi retired after this year, regardless of how he does. That always seemed to be the plan, anyway.
    2. I wonder what Mercedes would make of Keke Rosberg running an Audi team at Le Mans. Sure, they’re different motorsport disciplines, but it would be a touch awkward for Nico and Keke to be on opposite sides of the German motorsport fence, so to speak. If Nico does well, this will be no more than a footnote. But another year of mediocrity from Nico and this may become a bigger factor in his future with Mercedes.

    • raymondu99 said on 30th January 2012, 5:42

      Keke already has links with Audi. Team Rosberg in DTM is an Audi team

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 30th January 2012, 6:38

        And when he was still driving, Keke had a long spell as an Opel driver!

      • ajokay (@ajokay) said on 30th January 2012, 8:41

        As is his GT3 team, running R8′s

      • Journeyer (@journeyer) said on 30th January 2012, 9:36

        Makes it even odder, then. It seems to me Rosberg and Mercedes is more a marriage of convenience than anything else. Then again, once you’re there, you’re not far off from making the same case for Schumacher and Mercedes, either.

        I wouldn’t be too surprised if Mercedes (Stuttgart’s) dream lineup was Vettel and Hulkenberg, with Schumacher in the background as a consultant/ambassador.

        • raymondu999 (@raymondu999) said on 30th January 2012, 9:42

          @journeyer I agree. I would think that probably that’s their dream lineup. You have Schumacher behind the scenes mentoring Vettel; and Vettel mentoring the new young star Hulkenberg.

          I think they’d get along famously well. In fact I think they were childhood mates

  7. Eggry (@eggry) said on 30th January 2012, 6:17

    Kubica….with which team? Definitely not Renault. Ferrari? I don’t know.

    • Calum (@calum) said on 30th January 2012, 7:03

      What’s the Lotus story? Just they need the £500m debt facility to finance the new road cars? I thought they already had 100s of millions from Proton? Where has that all gone? They must be racking up a fortune in motorsport sponsorship bills every year, while selling none of the new range, I hope they hang in there for another few years, it would be a miracle if Lotus can be reborn as a top level car brand.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 30th January 2012, 8:38

        Well, Lotus took a loan from Proton to finance that, yes.

        But the fact is that newly privatized Proton is looking for a
        buyer to take over Lotus, largely with the target of getting rid of those loans as well, because Proton had to get big loans themselves to underwrite the money for Lotus. So a buyer would have to pay something for the company, bring money to keep it running with losses for a couple of years and on top pay off those loans.

        Its probably the reason why Genii is not certain of taking over Lotus (as they would probalby like to do), as this is a big amount of financing that is needed. And Bahar is looking for someone else to do it instead

  8. Tim Katz (@timkatz) said on 30th January 2012, 10:06

    Torque wheel guns. Im so surprised that these were against the FIA rules. What on earth for? Its not safe if you don’t know the torque you’re doing the wheel nuts up to. And how did the mechanics estimate/guess/measure in wheel changes before?

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 30th January 2012, 10:30

      I guess they were against the rules, because they make the teams job easier.

      Without it the teams would probalby just set a time (as they knew what pressure they were running in the system) or rely on the skills of the guys putting the nuts on. A good thing they changed this now for safety.

  9. TheJudge (@thejudge) said on 30th January 2012, 10:41

    I hope he ends up with Ferrari,because if the red squad has plans for him then there’s no place better to prepare for comeback. He’s tallanted and if he has the strength and motivation to come back ,then I think ,he’ll can make it.

  10. McLarenFanJamm (@mclarenfanjamm) said on 30th January 2012, 11:31

    Circuit de Catalunya boss doesn’t do a very good job of downplaying reports suggesting its future is in doubt here

  11. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 30th January 2012, 13:36

    I expect Di Resta will fill the void left at Mercedes. I never expected Schumacher to go beyond his 3 year deal.

    If he wins a race this year that’s comeback justified for me.

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 30th January 2012, 21:20

      I hope Schumacher can win – he still has the speed, and we now have a record of World Champions on the grid. I’d like to see him continue racing beyond 2012, but that’s only if he can win and not spoil his records with inferior cars.

  12. Comment of the day – I feel honoured :D

    I’d really like to see Schumacher win ‘one more race’ before he retires again. Preferably at his home race.

  13. Anti-RBR (@matt2208) said on 30th January 2012, 23:15

    Kubica IS DONE.

  14. dkpioe said on 31st January 2012, 14:04

    italian site circusf1 is making a prediction that ferrari will announce kubica as a 3rd driver at the new car launch. that woulld make all the pieces add up, the constant recent ferrari rumours coming out of italy, and the suddent breakup with lotus and his doctor at the end of last year.

  15. GARY ALLEN said on 31st January 2012, 18:13

    Kubica and the Ferrari link could be his chance for returning in 2013 if Massa has another bad year

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