Ecclestone wants customer cars for new teams

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Narain Karthikeyan, HRT, Barcelona, 2012

Narain Karthikeyan, HRT, Barcelona, 2012

In the round-up: Bernie Ecclestone suggests allowing new teams to run customer cars for three years before building their own.


Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:

Bernie urges new team help (Sky)

“What I’ve been proposing is, perhaps, some of the teams at the bottom end of the grid should be able to run last year’s constructor’s car. So one of the other teams that you mentioned [HRT and Marussia] could run last year’s McLaren, or last year’s Red Bull, for three years until they get themselves together and then they have to go back to be a constructor.”

Lehman Brothers to sell F1 stake for $1.5bn (The Guardian)

“The collapsed US bank Lehman Brothers has committed itself to cashing in its stake in Formula One motor racing within two years, according to documents released as part of the ongoing unwinding of the company. The stake is expected to yield a $1.5bn (??950m) payout to Lehman’s creditors, who are owed $450bn.”

Pollock says PURE engine very advanced (Autosport)

“We could be ready to race it in 2013. But the regulations stipulate something else.”

Vitaly Petrov Q&A: Caterham and I can grow together (F1)

“I think it?s impossible to have a Russian GP without a Russian driver! It is one of the biggest motivations for me – to make sure I?m on the grid in 2014. It must be the same for any athlete in any sport. To be able to compete at home means everything to you and it?s important to me that I?m there and in a car that I can really compete in. ”

Montezemolo: ??The truth will only come out in Melbourne?? (Ferrari)

“No matter how it goes in Melbourne, I would like to remind everyone that this will be the longest championship in the history of Formula 1 and we certainly won?t be able to draw conclusions after just one race.”

MotorSport Magazine via Twitter

“Fact of the day: Sky makes ??360 million a month in subscriptions. And that’s a low estimate. No wonder it can throw so much at F1 coverage!”

Comment of the day

Andy Darley on Maria de Villota becoming a test driver at Marussia. Andy previously wrote an article for F1 Fanatic on Superleague Formula, where de Villota has raced in recent years:

Look, I?m a huge believer in bringing more women into traditionally male roles in motorsport, including race seats. When my site was active, we were outspoken cheerleaders on the subject. I believe one of the F1 circus?s biggest lost opportunities was letting Simona de Silvestro slip away to American racing, and if I had a few spare millions down the back of the sofa I?d be investing it in Alice Powell.

But Maria de Villota has as much business being sat in an F1 car as I have. If you watched Superleague you?d have seen she was embarrassingly bad. Slow, stubborn when being lapped, and prone to hitting other cars. Some Superleague drivers were very good indeed, but the tail of the field was weak or inexperienced or both ?ǣ and she was worse than the worst of them by quite a margin.

Yesterday when the press release went out from Mark Blundell?s 2MB that they were representing her, it was a real shocker. This goes a long way to explaining it.

But, please, no-one get the idea that this is the long-awaited and (for me at least) long hoped-for arrival of a female challenger in F1. She?s not up to the job. It?s not her age, it?s not her gender, it?s not even that money is certainly involved ?ǣ it?s what she?s like behind the wheel.

As the old saying goes, she couldn?t drive a nail into a plank of wood.
Andy Darley

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On this day in F1

Mike Gascoyne criticised Michael Schumacher who had complained about Jarno Trulli’s efforts to keep him behind during the 2002 Australian Grand Prix.

“His comments about Jarno defending his position were pathetic and inappropriate,” said Gascoyne. “Everyone wants to see racing and there were two guys racing for position. Michael had the better car and it’s up to him to pass.”

Trulli had crashed out while running second and trying to keep Schumacher behind:

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73 comments on Ecclestone wants customer cars for new teams

  1. Abuelo Paul (@abuello-paul) said on 8th March 2012, 9:55

    What a load of Tosh,
    Last years car is never as competitive as this years, that’s called progress.
    Rule changes every year rule out the use of last years cars anyway.
    And, pray tell, which competitive team is going to pass down a fully working competitive chassis to a newer team in the hope that they may get beaten.
    It won’t, can’t and shouldn’t happen. Regulate the cost more, stop exaggerated inflated parts pricing (oh its for F1 double it) and younger teams may well be competitive.

  2. Rob said on 8th March 2012, 11:06

    In theory this is a good idea. It allows a new team to step up into F1 and run a car, without the expense of creating a whole new F1 level design set-up. This happened in the Sixites/Seventies where new teams started by purchasing a chassis and engine. Examples of teams begining like this are Williams and Tyrell.

    In practice, this will never happen with Ferrari/Mclaren/Red Bull chassis, as they would not allow their design’s to be used and investigated by personnel outside of their respective organizations, which would inevitably happen.

    • Johnny 5 said on 8th March 2012, 13:15

      Examples of teams begining like this are Williams and Tyrell.

      … and Ferrari, too, if I remember rightly. Didn’t they begin their illustrious history racing secondhand Maseratis?

      • Diogenes said on 8th March 2012, 14:47

        No, Scuderia Ferrari began in 1929 as the official Alfa Romeo racing team and continued as such until 1937 when Alfa took back control of the team and rebranded it Alfa Corse. Ferrari left Alfa soon after and began building his own cars.

    • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 8th March 2012, 21:07

      I knew there would be a downside somewhere!

  3. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 8th March 2012, 13:09

    I don’t think Bernie’s idea is a bright one, really. Specially with how the rules change every single year.

    Teams might end up with a car that’s been designed around something which is not there anymore. Like the blown diffuser, or another type of tyres.

    Plus, I doubt the top teams would be happy to give the smaller ones an opportunity to see all the secrets behind the car they designed in the first place. Even Pirelli struggled to get an old car to test tyres…

    They should allow the new teams to test more often, run 3 cars at practice, get more television rights… something, to make it easier for them.

  4. The Limit said on 8th March 2012, 16:09

    Maybe at Melbourne Airport there will be a bus for HRT and Marussia waiting to take them to a Hertz dealership in order to pick up their race cars! That would be even more practical as then they wouldn’t have to pay for any logistics at all, maybe Bernie could pay for their airfare too just for good measure.
    To pay for his added costs, I am sure the good people of Melbourne can afford an extra $500 per ticket to see F1 race in Australia. Ho Hum!
    What a complete flake Bernie is becoming and an embarrassment!
    To even suggest such a think shows the level of arrogance this man has and complete lack of respect he has for those within F1. Why should the likes of Force India, Mercedes, Lotus et all spend millions in development and building the worlds finest race cars when others can just buy them. Whats next, Ron Dennis dressed up as Arthur Daley flogging year old McLaren’s off a lot in South London! I have never heard something so ludacrious from the little dwarf!

  5. artificial racer said on 8th March 2012, 16:22

    Bernie’s idea is ridiculous. If you want to help new teams, there are only two ways it should be considered:

    1) Financially

    2) If you really want to artificially help their performance, just do so straight out by giving them help in the aero department. For example, allow them to use extra winglets. Think of them as “training wheels”.

  6. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 8th March 2012, 21:09

    Good to see that Bernie is warming to the backmarkers a little bit. A year or so ago he was jumping all over them and practically saying they should be thrown out of the sport.

    Not his best idea. But not his worst.

    Nothing could be worse than that ridiculous ‘sprinklers’ episode (though I do think he was winding us up).

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