Valencia and Barcelona to share Spanish Grand Prix from 2013

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Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Valencia, 2011

F1 will see less of Valencia from 2013

Spain will play host to one round of the world championship instead of two from next year, Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed.

The Circuit de Catalunya and Valencia street circuit will alternate as hosts of the Spanish Grand Prix.

A race has been held at the Barcelona circuit every year since 1991. Valencia first appeared on the F1 calendar in 2008 as the home of the European Grand Prix.

Ecclestone told Spanish radio station Cadena Ser the organisers of both races had agreed to share the Grand Prix from 2013.

The races at both the circuit is this year will continue as planned.

Ecclestone also indicated he hopes to extend the contract for the race in Valencia beyond 2014.

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91 comments on Valencia and Barcelona to share Spanish Grand Prix from 2013

  1. Banburyhammer (@banburyhammer) said on 9th March 2012, 12:09

    So that makes room for New Jersey then…

    Whats going to happen to the Korean and Malaysian races? I say Malaysian because I suspect Singapore’s presence on the calendar, and the allure as a night race it brings may put Malaysia’s place in question in Bernie’s head.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 12:11

      Both Korea and Malaysia are still under contract. In fact, Singapore’s contract is up for renewal before Malaysia’s is – Singapore needs a new contract for 2013, but I don’t think Malaysia will start negotiating with Bernie until about 2014 or 2015.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th March 2012, 12:43

        I’d guess we should see Korea in the same light as Valencia here though.
        Yes they have a contract, but so does Valencia. Both have been reluctant to pay, or have been down on payments and have talked about renegotiating their GP deals.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 12:51

          Korea shut up pretty quickly when Bernie said he wasn’t willing to negotiate with them – he said it was difficult enough to come to terms with them the first time, and he was in no mood to repeat the experience. Especially since the guy claiming that the race is too expensive is the guy who pushed for the race to be held in the first place. I guess the world looks very differently once you stop being the guy asking for hand-outs and start being the guy giving them.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th March 2012, 22:52

            Valencia shut up about it soon as well. Only for rumours of just this deal now announced to come up.

            Who knows what will happen in Korea, Bernie can be counted on to take that chance to get someone who will be a more secure payment in if he sees a chance.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 23:19

            He wants twenty races in the season, and with Korea being in the middle of a fly-away leg, his choices for a replacement event are few if any. I think it’s more likely that he’ll put up with their nonsense for 2012, while working on finding a replacement event for 2013. Taking two years is better than limiting yourself to just one.

      • ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 9th March 2012, 12:50

        Valencia had a contract to 2014, so anything can change.

    • MahavirShah (@mahavirshah) said on 9th March 2012, 13:14

      Wasn’t Malaysia supposed to be one of the few races where there was massive public support by way of having the cheapest tickets for a F1 race on the entire calendar ? I doubt Bernie would want to alternate between Singapore or Korea and Malaysia.

      • Banburyhammer (@banburyhammer) said on 9th March 2012, 13:51

        I dont this Bernie would ever drop Singapore, nor should he, its a unqie race and entirely deservong of its place. What im saying is, how much longer can the Malaysian government carry on subsidising the race. Bernie will jack up the fees, and at some point it will tell.

        How many more races on the calendar can continue to be government subsidized? The newest race in India isnt. The US races wont have a ‘come rain or shine’ subsidy. Most of the european ones dont. And before you say the public ones will win out because they can afford to pay the fees, what happens when they all pull out?

        • Solo (@solo) said on 10th March 2012, 3:10

          Why is the Malaysian government in trouble? Maybe they are fine paying.
          Anyway Australia seems to have a lot more problems in paying than Malasya has. Unfortunately for me since i love that track, Melbourne might be he one to go in two years time.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 10th March 2012, 3:54

            Melbourne doesn’t have any problems paying. The race is expensive, so a lot of starry-eyed would-be public servants like to raise the issue every year, promising that they will be the ones to get a better deal for the city out of Bernie.

  2. Mash27 said on 9th March 2012, 12:11

    Woohoo!!

  3. HUHHII (@huhhii) said on 9th March 2012, 12:12

    Valencia and Barcelona are 2 most boring tracks in current F1 circus. The best option would be to scrap both, but still this is definitely an improvement!

  4. sumedh said on 9th March 2012, 12:15

    Great news! I suggest have a triple sharing with Jerez, Barcelona and Valencia – each track keeps getting used and we get more variety on the calendar.

  5. matt044907 (@mattdavis) said on 9th March 2012, 12:15

    Valencia has produced the worst ever races and it doesn’t even come close to Barcelona. Why not keep Barcelona annual and replace the European GP with one in France. Magny Cours anyone?

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 12:20

      Why not?

      For the same reasons why Spa is looking at alternating with somewhere in France: because they cannot keep up with an annual race. It’s all well and good to say “drop Valencia, introduce Magny-Cours and keep Barcelona (and Spa)”, but Barcelona cannot have a yearly race and Magny-Cours cannot have a yearly race (and Spa cannot have a yearly race).

      Why do people have such a hard time grasping this concept? Fan support for certain events might sound nice, but it’s also completely intangible and of little use to the circuits when it comes time to negotiate with Bernie.

      • matt044907 (@mattdavis) said on 9th March 2012, 12:31

        No, I accept your point entirely – the reason they cannot hold an annual event is down to the costs and I hope that with the advent of the Concorde discussions this year that this can be looked at.

        Perhaps the best thing for F1 and the circuits would be if CVC sold F1 entirely then we wouldn’t have (mostly) historic race venues lining the debt pockets of a private equity firm (which is what Bernie facilitates after all)…

        Its all very well that TV money pays the debts of the Sport, that’s business – but some of these circuits are (should) be as protected as a Museum or Listed Building. Imagine English Heritage lining the pockets of concert organisers to hold gigs and tours at their venues…

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 12:45

          Nobody complained about the cost of holding a Grand Prix until we encountered the recession (I refuse to use the term “Global Financial Crisis” except to say that I refuse to use it) and a lot of governments started re-prioritising their expenses. Most of the danger is over for now, but once the economy is fully stabilised – and particularly when the PIIGS are no longer the PIIGS – then I expect things will return to normal and there will be less need for split races.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 9th March 2012, 13:04

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFMvW58xA1Y&feature=related
            You might prefer this term. See 1:15 on.

          • Richard F150 - I am not a truck said on 9th March 2012, 15:14

            ‘(I refuse to use the term “Global Financial Crisis” except to say that I refuse to use it)’

            Nice! – I like the attention to detail there.

            The asking price to host a race with either need to drop or more races will move to countries which either don’t need to justifiy the cost or have a valid business case.

          • phildick (@phildick) said on 9th March 2012, 15:37

            Sorry for being off-topic, but… Now we have post-financialfinancial speculation crisis recession. And don’t be so sure about stabilization as there might be another crisis coming – an offspring of rising speculation on food and oil markets.

      • Mike (@mike) said on 9th March 2012, 12:50

        Why?

        For the same reason that people request many other things that don’t happen for “financial” reasons. It’s all well and good to say that it can’t happen, but you are ignoring that it’s what people want.

        Why do @prisoner-monkeys have such a hard time grasping this concept? “Financial” reasons might sound nice as an explanation, but with a sport so wealthy many people have a hard time grasping why things can’t be done for the good of the sport, as opposed to things being dictated by law of greed.

        • paolo (@paolo) said on 9th March 2012, 12:55

          I think people grasp the concept of some tracks no being financially viable. But if there is such popular demand for certain tracks then they should reduce the fee they charge to host the GP to make it financially viable

        • Richard F150 - I am not a truck said on 9th March 2012, 15:26

          Replace the term “sport” with “business” and most things become clear.

          I may be wrong but I thought F1 with CVC was in a lot of debt not wealthy.

          Teams are accepting pay drivers, why not accept pay circuits.

          I like it neither but I accept that the needs of the rich and powerful is greater than the needs of the sport.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 21:29

          I reject the notion that the sport should just do whatever the fans want and everything will be rosy. We’ve seen good circuits hold bad races and bad circuits hold good races often enough for me to believe that there is no secret to the perfect circuit design – it all comes down to the cars. I think Formula 1 should concentrate on cutting its costs so that more teams can be more competitive, and they can afford to take the most talented drivers rather than the drivers with the most money. I know I’d much prefer to watch exciting racing on boring circuits than boring racing on exciting circuits.

          • Mike (@mike) said on 10th March 2012, 13:49

            I’m not saying it should, I’m saying that people tend to want to see F1 race on the tracks they like. Most people seem to detest Valencia.

            I don’t think you can hold that against them.

            Also, boring tracks make for boring racing. Spa vs Bahrain. Melbourne vs Valencia….

            The notion is easy to grasp.

      • Banburyhammer (@banburyhammer) said on 9th March 2012, 14:00

        On the contrary, Some fan support for a race doesnt guarantee a place on the F1 calendar, but that doesnt explain the massive contradictory examples like Monaco and Monza.

        Theyre only on the calendar because they get cheap fees (in Monacos case, none). They get cheap fees because the teams want to race there. The teams want to race there because the sponsors want to be there. The sponsors want to be there because if they arent, then their sponsorship or investment is devalued signifcantly. Thats only because they ellicit the overwhelming and unequivocal response form the fans that if they dont race there, then the sport is no longer Formula 1. Then if the sport is not seen as an elite motorsport with direct links to its hisory, then its no longer the same sport – its just a niche passtime (see the self-cannibalism of IndyCar).

        And if its no longer F1, why would the sponsors stay?

        • HoHum (@hohum) said on 10th March 2012, 3:22

          Absolutely right Banburyhammer, I am amazed at Bernies ability to get track-owners to pay him so that he can stage a race and sell all the TV and advertising rights. Next time you and your mates want to have a track day see if you can get the track owner to pay you to use his facility, I don’t think so. One day the track owners will get together and the whole house of cards will come tumbling down.

    • John Edwards said on 9th March 2012, 22:25

      Magny Cours can just crawl away and die!

      that said it was a lot better than valencia!

  6. Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 9th March 2012, 12:18

    I don’t care for Valencia at all. I’d rather they dropped that entirely. Catalunya’s not great for racing but it has some good corners (those that are left, anyway) and has been on the calendar for 20-odd years.

    I’m not that keen on having two races in one country either. Of course America will do from next year, but it’s a huge country with a much larger population, so if anywhere’s going to have two races it makes sense for it to be there.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 12:22

      I don’t care for Valencia at all. I’d rather they dropped that entirely.

      Take a win when you can get one, Keith.

    • Diogenes said on 9th March 2012, 12:40

      This would leave the Grand Prix of Europe up for grabs, perhaps a chance for the Red Bull Ring?

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 12:48

        Dietrich Mateschitz has repeatedly said that the Red Bull Ring will not host a Grand Prix.

        And if the European Grand Prix is to be dropped entirely, New Jersey will automatically take its place. As it stands, there are twenty-one races set for 2013: the twenty on the current calendar, plus the Grand Prix of America. If once race goes, America will simply takes its place and the calendar will be stable at twenty races. The only way this will change is if the teams agree to hold more races under the terms of the new Concorde Agreement to be negotiated this year. And they probably won’t agree to that.

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 9th March 2012, 13:09

        Why would the Red Bull Ring be anything other than the Austrian GP?

      • Johnny 5 said on 9th March 2012, 13:10

        Damn, for a moment I thought you said the BIRMINGHAM Bull Ring!

  7. James (@jamesf1) said on 9th March 2012, 12:19

    Shame Valencia couldnt have gone one better and buggered off permanently. There’s only been one good thing about that track, and that was Barrichello’s emotional victory in 2009. Everything else, I cant really remember as it bored most people to sleep!

  8. Girts (@girts) said on 9th March 2012, 12:21

    I like the surroundings of Valencia Street Circuit. If the circuit itself was modified so that the racing wasn’t as dull then I would prefer to have the Spanish GP there every year. Anyway, I believe that Spain doesn’t deserve two races per year so well done, Bernie.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 12:25

      If the circuit itself was modified so that the racing wasn’t as dull then I would prefer to have the Spanish GP there every year.

      I’ve said it before, and doubtless I’ll say it again – I’m convinced that there is a good circuit in Valencia, and with a few modifications, it could actually become a very popular event. The first few corners should be removed, so that the cars can go flat out from the start line to the bridge. And the three hairpins at the bottom of the circuit should be refined into a single bend. That’s it. That’s all that needs to be done.

    • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 9th March 2012, 13:00

      @girts Well remember that Valencia got into the calendar when Alionso was on the top and Bernie’s favorite (at least favorite in business terms), now the whole view has changed, RB are with the new king and it wouldn’t be surprising if the Red Bull Ring comes back as European Grand Prix. Yeah Matestichz may have said it wouldn’t happen but let money talk and he would shake hands.

      • James (@jamesf1) said on 9th March 2012, 15:10

        There are countries and circuits outside of Europe who have more money and are willing to throw it in Bernie’s direction. I wouldnt expect to see the A1 Ring on the callender unless it was at the expense of a current European race.

  9. matt044907 (@mattdavis) said on 9th March 2012, 12:24

    I always dream of a GP at Potrero de los Funes Circuit, Argentina. It is perhaps the most beautiful anywhere in the world…if we’re considering replacements :-)

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th March 2012, 12:27

      Keep dreaming – it’s not going to happen. The circuit would need major work before it could host a race (there is virtually no paddock or grandstands), and even then, there isn’t an airport that could handle the arrival of Formula 1 for about 750km.

      I’ve also got the sneaking suspicion that if ever Formula 1 went to that circuit, it would actually produce very boring racing.

  10. Matty No 2 (@mattynotwo) said on 9th March 2012, 12:28

    I’m not really a fan of alternating races.

  11. davros said on 9th March 2012, 12:33

    Just drop Valencia. One thing I’d like to see is the Tilke desert tracks all being rotated on something like a 10 year cycle.

  12. ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 9th March 2012, 12:51

    Hopefully the year off gives Barcelona some time to demolish the 2007 chicane, the circuit would be so much better without it.

    Anyway, this is probably the best outcome, although I’d have preferred to see Barcelona every year and Valencia dropped completely.

    • McLarenFanJamm (@mclarenfanjamm) said on 9th March 2012, 16:46

      No chance. The chicane is there for “safety reasons”. It won’t be removed.

    • John Edwards said on 9th March 2012, 22:30

      The whole lot needs redesigning, the end of the lap is just awful now.

      The track is fundamentally flawed even if it is in a great location and nice for spectating, it’s one of the worst F1 visits.

  13. hey (@hey) said on 9th March 2012, 12:53

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Have a European GP contract open to a different track every year, and that way we can go to more tracks and even 1-off city races. And the European GP will actually be a useful idea, and not just be an excuse to have 2 GPs in one country for a few years.

    But it looks like they’ve scrapped the title anyway, so we’ll probabaly never have that idea in plan.

    • John H (@john-h) said on 9th March 2012, 18:56

      It makes absolutely no sense to set up the infrastructure to host an F1 event if its only going to be used once or possibly twice. Having said that, if it were to work it would have to be street circuits. Still sounds like a lot of work for the FIA to be honest.

  14. DGB123 (@dgb123) said on 9th March 2012, 13:00

    Fantastic news.

    The only way it could have been better was if they dropped both

  15. smifaye (@smifaye) said on 9th March 2012, 13:04

    Awesome sauce! What happens to the European Grand Prix?

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