Karthikeyan penalised for Vettel collision

2012 Malaysian Grand Prix

Narain Karthikeyan, HRT, Sepang, 2012Narain Karthikeyan has been penalised 20 seconds in the Malaysian Grand Prix.

The HRT driver was handed the penalty following contact between him and Sebastian Vettel during the race.

Karthikeyan’s penalty relegates him to last behind team mate Pedro de la Rosa.

Vettel, who suffered a puncture and brake damage in the collision, said: “[To] lose the race how I did is very frustrating. Some people need to look more where they are going.”

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161 comments on Karthikeyan penalised for Vettel collision

  1. charles (@charles) said on 25th March 2012, 19:19

    Good, the car isn’t fast enough or worthy to even be on the starting grid at the moment.

    • McLarenFanJamm (@mclarenfanjamm) said on 25th March 2012, 19:27

      They qualified within 107%, so obviously it is fast enough.

      • Mike (@mike) said on 25th March 2012, 22:50

        They qualified within 107%, so obviously it is fast enough.

        This I completely agree with.

      • F1fanNL (@) said on 25th March 2012, 23:56

        Which is why I preferred the 105% rule.

        I’ve got nothing against Karthikeyan or the HRT team but it’s just awful seeing cars that slow competing in F1.

        The only time we see the backmarkers on screen is when they are ignoring blue flags, retiring or crashing.
        Or, in this case, destroying someone else’s race.

    • Jack said on 25th March 2012, 19:36


      Good, the car isn’t fast enough or worthy to even be on the starting grid at the moment.

      How do you figure that buddy??? BOTH HRT passed the 107% requirement by FIA to be part of the grid so they have as much right as any other team to be there.
      You have to understand that Vettel is a “cocky” bloke… he likes to get “messages” across, and by him keeping left immeadiatley after passing NK, is like saying, “move over slow-poke”… Maybe that´ll teach him to stop with the attitude! I guess he doesn´t like having to work his way up the grid! It´s easy to just cruise when you get on pole every time with a far superior car I guess… Must suck for him now but he should just man up!

  2. McLarenFanJamm (@mclarenfanjamm) said on 25th March 2012, 19:22

    Vettel’s quote is slightly more than in the article. He also said:

    It’s like on the normal roads, there are a few idiots driving around and, yeah, it seems that there is one driving here

    Just like in Turkey 2010, he is taking zero responsibility for anything that happens to him. At the worst, this was a racing incident. Both Vettel and Karthikeyan could have left more room for each other, as it happens, they didn’t. But Vettel is just throwing his weight around. The fact that he stuck his middle finger up at Karthikeyan twice, as well as the quotes post race, makes him out to be an arrogant, immature little boy. Much like Hamilton in 2009 actually, although I doubt anyone will criticise him as much as they did (and still do) Hamilton.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 25th March 2012, 19:34

      I’ve used the quote he gave to his team – he may have given similar but different quotes to other people.

    • Jack said on 26th March 2012, 7:55

      It’s like on the normal roads, there are a few idiots driving around and, yeah, it seems that there is one driving here

      Wow! What a class act!!! The thing is… he really shouldn´t feel that arrogant because yes, he might have won the wdc twice BUT, it is now obvious, he has a hard time working his way up the field and he has a hard time matching Webber´s true perormance.
      I guess it must sting bad for him knowing now that everybody is opening their eyes and seeing that last year, the true “champ” was “kinky Kylie”…
      Somebody should tell him that other teams don´t have to move over when they see him coming from behind like JEV in Australia! Arrogant kid!

      • F1fanNL (@) said on 26th March 2012, 21:24

        “it is now obvious, he has a hard time working his way up the field and he has a hard time matching Webber´s true perormance.”

        Yes, it’s very obvious. From 6th to 2nd at Australia and from 5th to 4th at Malaysia…. And both times he was ahead of Webber. So far for Webber’s “true performance”. LOL.
        what was it you said? True talent always rises to the top? You must feel pretty stupid having said that before the Australian GP.

        “Somebody should tell him that other teams don´t have to move over when they see him coming from behind like JEV in Australia!”

        And I guess Rosberg just moved over too, right?

        But hey, I know why you post. I noticed you spamming your nonsense after the Australian Qualifying but also noticed a complete lack of your posts after the Australian GP. Seems to me like you will only post when Vettel is having ‘trouble’. You’re not an F1 fan. You’re a childish hater.

  3. Highstoned (@highstoned) said on 25th March 2012, 19:57

    It’s all on Vettel imho and why a penalty? There are 2 many penalties atm in F1.

  4. MahavirShah (@mahavirshah) said on 25th March 2012, 20:03

    Looked like a racing incident and don’t see why either driver should receive flak for it. Penalty had no meaning for both Vettel and Karthikeyan. Vettel’s race was blown by the puncture and Karthikeyan would not have finished higher. A throwback to the Massa-Hamilton incidents last year where both drivers were losers in the end. The incident should NOT take away from the great strategy by HRT and driving by NK that allowed them to get up to 10th. Sure they would not have lasted long there maybe 1- 2 laps but what was shown was intangible, the desire to compete and show that they belong. At the same time Vettel’s race was also solid and sure every driver has a right to be angry if he feels an accident was not his fault.

  5. alexf1man (@alexf1man) said on 25th March 2012, 20:04

    Typical how his incidents cost Button a likely podium (and obviously points), Vettel some probable points and Karthikeyan absolutely nothing, apart from finishing 23rd instead of 22nd. Big Deal.

    • Nick.UK (@) said on 25th March 2012, 20:12

      Button cost himelf points, even he admited that! Don’t know how you could possibly blame NK for the Button crash, that was for positio too, and Button hit him from behind after failing to break early enough… You can see my view on the Vettel incident below.

  6. Nick.UK (@) said on 25th March 2012, 20:05

    To be honest, it’s a moot point. Both of them caused the accident and the penalty makes no difference to anything.

    Had NK not moved behind Vettel, Vettel would not have hit him, I think we can all agree on this much. However, had Vettel not cut in front of NK so eagerly then again, the incident would not have happened. The combination of both driving without thinking very clearly led to the crash. I don’t know really where to stand on the penalty. At the end of the day it was a blue flag situation, there is a duty to move out the way; but when you factor in Vettel’s contribution to the cause of the accident the application of a penalty seems harsh.

    Like you all say, why give a penalty that makes no difference? It’s simple, it’s a compromise. It doesn’t affect HRT’s constructors position really, few cars retired from this race meaning there is plenty of opportunity to score higher positions at a later race. And the application of a penalty also appeases those at Red Bull Racing. Now the stewards can say, ‘we gave a penalty, what more do you want?’

    Thoughts anyone?

    • Ace (@ace) said on 26th March 2012, 3:14

      I share your opinion that both drivers should take some of the blame. As such, I don’t agree with any outcome where fault is allocated to one party alone. Even if the penalty is toothless.

  7. 91jb12 (@91jb12) said on 25th March 2012, 20:16

    Never a penalty, both to blame partially, just a silly way to lose 12 points which would’ve been useful. Never mind, chins up and 18 more races to go

  8. Don Mateo (@don-mateo) said on 25th March 2012, 20:45

    At first I thought it was Vettel’s fault, having seen that reply it looks more 50/50, but a penalty for Narain seems a bit harsh – ultimately, in my view, regardless of where Narain was, Vettel moved over too early.

    I guess it’s easy to penalise a backmarker for a collision like this though, on the grounds that they should have done more to get out of the way.

  9. Enigma (@enigma) said on 25th March 2012, 20:46

    Watched the collision again and I think Vettel only has himself to blame. He saw Karthikeyan had run wide, so he should have taken everything a bit more cautious.

    • Lars (@neslepax) said on 25th March 2012, 21:15

      Totally agree. Vettel brought that one on himself. It is not only the car being passed that is obliged to leave room enough for the other car is it?

      Frankly, Vettels comments only cements my view of him as a spoiled little brat.

      • Enigma (@enigma) said on 25th March 2012, 21:21

        I think he did leave enough room, but Narain had some wheelspin and had to correct the car, that’s what he says at least. Vettel didn’t do anything wrong, but it wouldn’t have happened had he been more careful.

        • F1fanNL (@) said on 26th March 2012, 0:03

          So every time a faster car laps a slower one the faster car has to be ready for the slower car messing it up and steering into the back of the faster car?

          That doesn’t make sense. Karthikeyan should have gone off the power the moment he felt the car lose grip. Not throw it back onto the track.

          I don’t see how Vettel could have possibly anticipated Karthikeyan would be going too wide and would almost lose the car.

          • Enigma (@enigma) said on 26th March 2012, 11:11

            @f1fannl No, not every time.

            Karthikeyan went off the track in that corner and was returning. Also, it was wet. Therefore it was not the usual ‘lapping a backmarker’. Vettel wasn’t at fault, but he could’ve seen the danger and avoided it.

            Similar to Singapore last year, when he was in the pits. It was Lotus’ mistake to let Kovalainen out in the path of Vettel, but Vettel was clever enough to see it coming and backed off.

          • F1fanNL (@) said on 26th March 2012, 21:28

            That’s not the same. Vettel was coming towards the Lotus pitbox there. Whatever was happening happened in his field of vision. You can’t expect Vettel to keep an eye on every back marker he passes. Even when it’s wet.

            It’s the responsibility of the back marker to get out of the way and let the faster car through safely. If Vettel had moved across he would have had some blame. He didn’t, case closed, Karthikeyan’s fault.

          • Enigma (@enigma) said on 26th March 2012, 21:47

            Vettel saw him returning on the track. It was Narain’s fault, but Vettel could have easily thought better of it and avoided it and finished the race in 4th or 3rd.

  10. Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 25th March 2012, 21:41

    To say I’m bemused is an understatement. Sure, Karthikeyan didn’t back off, but from his view Vettel was ahead so why bother. Vettel just carelessly moved back at him. I’ll just say this: if it had been the other way round, with Karthikeyan taking out Vettel, there would be no penalty.

    All told, though, Karthikeyan was one of the day’s unsung heroes. He ran 4th briefly, and even if that was through pit strategy, he was still there. He’s always been good in the wet, and this was more evidence of that. Good job overall from a driver fir whom I have an ever increasing amount of respect.

    • Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 25th March 2012, 21:42

      What I meant to say was “with Vettel taking out Karthikeyan”. It’s been a long day.

    • F1fanNL (@) said on 26th March 2012, 0:07

      “Sure, Karthikeyan didn’t back off, but from his view Vettel was ahead so why bother.”

      Why bother? Were they racing each other? No. karthikeyan could have easily gone off the power when he felt the car lost grip on the curb. In stead he throws it back on the track.

      • Mallesh Magdum said on 26th March 2012, 10:33

        @F1fanNL The rule is “Backmarkers must get off the racing line” not “get off power”….Vettel squeezed Karthikeyan way too much….Hope Vettel learns to behave off-track

      • if you come off the power when the car loses grip you spin, so nk would have prob taken him out in a big way. vettel just needed to be a bit more wise does not matter if for position or blue flag you make sure your far away from people in damp/wet conditions.

        • F1fanNL (@) said on 26th March 2012, 21:32

          This is absolute grade A cow poo poo. When you hit the brakes with a wheel or two on a slippery surface you spin, not by letting go of the throttle. If that were the case we would see them spinning round every corner or so…

          Karthikeyan made the mistake of keeping the power on and moving to the right. If he had simply lifted his right foot he would have slotted in behind Vettel.

    • Cosmas (@cosmas) said on 26th March 2012, 17:47

      You must be kidding saying that NK is good on Wet conditions , right?
      He was 3-4 sec/lap slower then De La Rosa after the restart, he was about 8 seconds slower then the front runners. Even in the dry his times were comparable with those in Gp2..
      He was by far the slowest driver on track. How do all these make him a rain-master?

  11. Whoever’s fault it was, I’m hugely disappointed to see Sebastian make an obscene gesture twice on camera – he should be punished for unsportsmanlike conduct/bringing the sport into disrepute.

  12. Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 25th March 2012, 22:53

    The incident itself wasn’t as bad as Vettel’s words afterwards. Being involved in an incident (I’m refusing to use the word victim, because I find it to be at no one’s fault at best) is one thing, calling the other party involved an idiot (or gurke – cucumber in his native German) is other. And that’s it when it comes to Vettel’s sportsmanship and attitude of a true champion. Go to Button’s reaction to collision with Karthikeyan for further reference.

    When I was talking about the current situation of Vettel not having superior car will show his true value I was referring only to his racing results. Alonso proved today how a champion in a bad car should drive. However, the situation also tests Vettel’s character. After two races, he seems to be failing on both fronts.

    • F1fanNL (@) said on 26th March 2012, 0:10

      Hmmm,… Almost like how Alonso ‘dealt’ with his trouble in 2007.

      Yes, poor form from Vettel. Totally unlike other champions….

      Maybe it’s because he’s black.

    • Tom Haxley (@welshtom) said on 26th March 2012, 8:16

      @cyclops_pl @f1fannl

      I think his season my be like Alonsos 07 and to some degree hamiltons 11.
      Coming off the back of last season where he clearly a mile ahead of everyone Vettel is always going to struggle to aclimatise to the fact that he is not top dog now and that he’s mixing it up with the others.

      Im sure some GP driver said something like “A true winner should always be a sore loser”. If losing doesnt hurt, then you shouldnt be there (yes you can be a gentleman about it also but different strokes for different folks I guess).

      I think Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel think they are the best and get truely upset when they get beaten

  13. Selbbin (@selbbin) said on 25th March 2012, 23:28

    Karthikeyan isn’t good enough or professional enough to be in F1. These are not the first times he has just gotten in the way of cars and drivers actually trying to race. I remember a few incidences where he was under Blue Flag lost in his own little world and took forever to let the lead car lap him.

    • Jack said on 26th March 2012, 8:06

      Dude, you are way out of line man! NK complied with the 107% rule so he is obviously good enough to be there!
      I guess you must just be a bit bitter because you might think he ruined JB´s race…. It was the other way around! JB messed up his own race… NK was in fourth and fighting for position…
      If you want to question his professionality, then JB being a “professional” driver should have known that with a far superior McLaren, there was no need to enter the corner the way he did… He was going to have DRS and the HRT has no KERS, so who´s fault is it buddy???
      I guess in the end… you´re just bitter…

      • Selbbin (@selbbin) said on 27th March 2012, 1:20

        I completely agree that Button’s crash was his own fault. That made it even more frustrating. But I am talking about Karthikeyan’s history in the sport so far, and his career so far, and not just this one race.

  14. Banburyhammer (@banburyhammer) said on 25th March 2012, 23:59

    From what i saw it was not Vettels fault. Unlike the incident in Istanbul, I could see no incriminating steering input, and he hadnt understeered into Kathikeyan’s front wing, so I do thing the blame is at NK’s door. I dont even think his reaction in the cockpit immdiently after was unduly bad. It was the statement given to the press, well after the incident and after the race ended which blackened Vettels image.
    He had enough time to calm down and at least put on a dimplomatic facade – but like an idiot, he decided to throw around a stupid weak insult. It was like Marko’s reaction at Istanbul. He should have known better – he wasnt in the tense environment of the cockpit, had more angles to view the Vettel-Webber incident and yet still inexplicibley threw Webber – a team member – under the bus. It was that – and not Vettel inferring Webber was carzy or storming into the motor home that disgusted me. Hed just lost a possible race vistory, and the disspointment was still raw. We can all understand that.
    I want to see more emotion from the drivers. Its most pure to see the immediete ecstasy of victory, despodency, dissapoint an anger etc. Coming out well after the event and when emotions should have damped down and you should be more circumspect, and then acting like a child, is not we want to see. Thats not the drivers being more human. Thats unprofessional, and daresay unmanly, for the want of a better word.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 26th March 2012, 8:44

      You “want to see more emotion from the drivers” but you also think Vettel should have put on a “diplomatic facade”?

      You want the moon on a stick!

  15. dragon said on 26th March 2012, 2:24

    Narain’s fault, but the disgusting way Vettel conducted himself afterwards is far worse. I thought he’d really matured as a person in 2011 – it looks like he’s only a nice guy when he’s winning.

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