Hamilton: “I should have 50 points, but I don’t”

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Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Sepang, 2012In the round-up: Lewis Hamilton admits he should have scored more points so far this year.


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Lewis Hamilton stresses McLaren positives and knuckles down for China (The Guardian)

“I should have 50 points, but I don’t. Yeah, we would love to have 20 points more, but at least we’ve had consistency and we’re there in the fight.”

No extra security needed for Bahrain – motorsport chief (BBC)

Bahrain Motor Federation president Sheikh Abdullah bin Isa Al Khalifa: “All I can guarantee you is you will be as safe as at any other Grand Prix.”

Written answers to questions (UK Parliament)

Alistair Burt (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State): “This is not a decision for the British Government and we have not made representations to the Federation Internationale de l?Automobile (FIA) regarding a decision on whether to cancel, reschedule or re-locate the Bahraini Grand Prix. Similarly, we have not lobbied any other country to take a position on this matter or to make representation to the FIA. It remains entirely the decision of the FIA on whether to postpone or cancel any race. I have told the Bahraini authorities that if the race does take place, we expect it to do so under the right conditions.”

Formula One to raise $1bn in loan [refinancing] – source (Reuters)

“Formula One’s shareholders include CVC which owns 63.4 percent of the company, Lehman Brothers’ administrators with 15.3 percent, Chief Executive Officer Bernie Ecclestone with 5.3 percent and Ecclestone’s former wife Slavica’s Bambino Holdings with 8.5 percent.”

Statement regarding Formula One finances (F1)

“Formula One Group has launched a process to extend its current financing facilities. This will involve raising $2.27bn of new facilities with maturities in 2017/18, replacing the company?s existing $2.92bn facilities which are due to mature in 2013/14.”

Ferrari cash in on new deal with Ecclestone (The Independent)

“Ferrari are believed to have followed Fernando Alonso’s shock win in Sunday’s Malaysian Grand Prix by concluding a lucrative deal with the Formula One ringmaster Bernie Ecclestone, receiving significantly better payments under a new Concorde Agreement to which the majority of teams are said to have agreed over the race weekend.”

Vettel labelled a Red Bully by backmarker Karthikeyan (The Mirror)

“Some guys when lapping they just try and bully you so much, it?s not fair. They overtake and want you to go off the road and it?s not right.”

Domenicali: “We have to continue to play a counter-attacking game” (Ferrari)

“I well remember that, four years ago, in fact right after a Malaysian Grand Prix, which was won for us by Kimi Raikkonen, Felipe was more or less in the same situation as today. The papers were demanding his immediate replacement and he managed to react in the best way possible, thanks to support from the team, which saw him win two of the next three races.”

Young driver test could be in Britain (Autosport)

“One idea that has received some support is to try and shift the young driver test to take place at Silverstone immediately after the British GP. However not all teams are in favour because of the difficulty of sorting out drivers at that stage of the campaign.”

The beginning of a legend: Ayrton Senna’s breakthrough Formula One car set to sell for ??750,000 (Daily Mail)

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Comment of the day

I hadn’t realise quite how few drivers had matched Alonso’s feat of winning at the same track with three different constructors until Paul Gilbert pointed it out:

Drivers to have won at the same venue for 3+ different teams:

Moss at Monza ?ǣ Maserati (1956), Vanwall (1957), Cooper (1959)
Fangio at Spa ?ǣ Alfa Romeo (1950), Maserati (1954), Mercedes (1955)
Fangio at Buenos Aires ?ǣ Maserati (1954, 1957), Mercedes (1955), Ferrari (1956)
Fangio at Nurburgring ?ǣ Mercedes (1954), Ferrari (1956), Maserati (1957)
Prost at Silverstone ?ǣ Renault (1983), McLaren (1985, 1989), Ferrari (1990), Williams (1993)
Alonso at Kuala Lumpur ?ǣ Renault (2005), McLaren (2007), Ferrari (2012)
Paul Gilbert

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Today in 2009 Williams responded to a protest by Red Bull and Ferrari against the double diffusers used by themselves, Toyota and Brawn, with a protest of their own.

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238 comments on Hamilton: “I should have 50 points, but I don’t”

  1. Aditya (@) said on 28th March 2012, 9:03

    I just realised something. Button won the Australian Grand Prix this year which was his third win at the venue. Alonso won the Malaysian Grand Prix which too was his third victory at the venue. If it goes on, Hamilton should win in China, Massa should win in Bahrain, Raikkonen should win in Spain, Alonso would win Monaco, Hamilton would win in Canada, Vettel would win in Valencia, Alonso should win in Britain…..
    But I’m pretty sure that won’t come true…

  2. Andy said on 28th March 2012, 9:35

    Isn’t that what a F1driver is all about: never being statisfied with less then the win or what’s achievable with the car? IMO Hamilton merely says his races weren’t good enough given the oppertunity presented by a car which only has a very slight edge over the others.

    I think many of these people being critic towards Hamilton here rather want a second Massa who seems to be content with his sloppy drives… .

  3. HoHum (@hohum) said on 28th March 2012, 9:36

    118 comments about who said what but no mention of over 3 Billion dollars in five years being siphoned out of the sport while Bernie rings his hands and complains the teams (who actually are the source of the income) should be restricted to spending only 60 Million dollars a year to pay their hundreds of staff and their drivers,engine suppliers etc. Had this 3 Billion dollars been distributed among the teams even the backmarkers could afford to develop competitive cars and we would not need all the restrictions on engine design and development.

    • Tango (@tango) said on 28th March 2012, 9:42

      I like what Parr had to say about Bernie last year. Seems quite right to say the least.

    • me262 said on 28th March 2012, 10:33

      fair distribution of wealth in teams? what world do you live in? its a great idea but when havent the rich become richer? now youve opened a can of worms…why the f is the Bahrain race still happening? we gonna go have a grand race with the rich and famous living it up in a country in the middle of a democratic struggle? but hey we get to kick back and watch a race from the comfort of our living rooms…and Bernie makes his millions. Its what its all about sonnyjim

    • Robbie (@robbie) said on 28th March 2012, 14:32

      Great observation, HoHum…perhaps it is an indication that we (in general) just want to see racers and racing, and the behind the doors stuff going on with BE et al is hard to get a handle on or relate to, even when it can effect the money the teams get. From what I understand the teams are about to get a bigger piece of the pie and discussions about how all the teams can agree to the restricting costs of playing in F1 continue. But I think of it like this…drivers like Villeneuve and Montoya, upon leaving F1 said they miss the cars and the racing but not the politics. I think most fans would say the same thing.

    • DaveW (@dmw) said on 28th March 2012, 22:15

      Wouid that the sport were held and run in trust to the Fans and stakeholders. F1 is just like any other major economic asset, like a strip mine or an oilfield. It goes on the market, it goes to the highest bidder, and that bidder generally will extract the maxium value from it without killing it. But sometimes investors kill cash cows through negligence, or they might figure out the cow is worth more as various cuts of steak than as a going concern. If the UK goverment nationalized it, that would be OK with me, but obviously not in the cards.

  4. Shimks (@shimks) said on 28th March 2012, 11:24

    Re: Toleman story in the Mirror

    You’re becoming famous, Keith!! :O)

    I expect that car to fetch more than 750k. There must be some very rich enthusiasts out there…

  5. In 2007 Lewis didnt win a race until the 6th race of the season. He needs to bare this in mind if he dosnt already.

    Knocking in consistent podiums is whats going to win him the championship.

    As Domenicali said, Massa was nowhere by the second race of the season in 2008, and was fighting for the title by the end, theres a long way to go and Lewis has a solid handful of points to build on.

    • kenneth Ntulume said on 28th March 2012, 12:11

      @N Lewis should read your statement………..
      But i suspect he is the inconsolable type, too hard, too critical, of themselves

  6. kenneth Ntulume said on 28th March 2012, 12:08

    Attempting the dirty business of devil advocacy, I am yet to find a thread of wrong, with an exclamation…”I coulda”ve done better!! given my 2 poles.
    well some people have more benchmarks than others is the nearest answer i have.

    • Diogenes said on 28th March 2012, 16:10

      “You don’t understand I coulda had class, I coulda had 50 points, I coulda been somebody… instead of a bum which is what I am, let’s face it………… It was you, Martie.” :)

  7. kenneth Ntulume said on 28th March 2012, 12:15

    i take the risk to declare sentence of the year
    “Red BuLLY”

  8. wigster (@wigster) said on 28th March 2012, 12:16

    Moving the young drivers test to Silverstone the week after the British gp sounds like a good idea as it means less stress for the teams as its closer to home and would give them more time off to get home between fly away races later in the year. I would also imagine more fans will be able to go and watch testing then would be in the middle east.

    However its the british summer, so its more likely to rain than in the middle east and picking good young drivers who are also available to be at Silverstone will be more difficult right in the middle of the season.

    Perhaps one solution would be to hold it in Spain after the last race of the season at somewhere like Barcalona or Jerez? Or perhaps moving it to preseason next year, as this year at one point there was a gap between tests that may have been suitable to fit in a young drivers test?

  9. Neel Jani (@neelv27) said on 28th March 2012, 13:35

    When a driver is winning, he will always show his friendly side, joke around and show smiley faces but it is when that same driver is loosing, one gets to see his true feelings.

    Staying away from the actual incident between NK and SV, I have to say that SV’s behaviour was not good. A double WC who always joked around when he dominated 2011 is now calling other drivers “idiots”.

    He shouldn’t forget that when he was driving for STR, he rammed into Webber behind the safety car.
    He shouldn’t forget the way he hit Button at Spa in 2010 and cost Button p2.

    His behaviour was shameful to say the least.

    • OOliver said on 28th March 2012, 14:19

      Add Kubica to that list. I remember him taking him out in Australia once.

    • F1fanNL (@) said on 28th March 2012, 22:10

      He only called one driver an idiot. And Karthikeyan was an idiot. he could have easily gone off the power. Or he could have kept a tighter line when letting Hamilton and Vettel through. Instead he goes to wide, hits the curbs and throws his car back on the track. That’s the definition of an idiot.

      Come on people. Idiot isn’t the harshest of words one can throw at another.
      This thing is being blown WAY out of proportion.

      Furthermore, Vettel took responsibility for the incidents at Fuji ’07, Albert Park ’09 and Spa ’10.
      Also, what did Vettel say over the team radio after colliding with Kubica? “Sorry guys, I’m an idiot.”

      Here we have Karthikeyan admitting he was at fault but then blames the ‘bullies’ in the faster cars…
      I think J P Montoya said it best. We only need to replace the name Raikkonen with Karthikeyan in this case.

  10. OOliver said on 28th March 2012, 14:17

    I still don’t get how F1 got into all these debt.
    They don’t own the race tracks.
    They don’t promote any race or venue.
    The don’t sponsor any team.
    The get paid TV licences.
    They get paid track side advertising.
    I know of only one employee on Level 100, the next employee I know of is a level 3 camera man.
    They take the bulk of the money generated and throw the leftovers into a pool of crocodiles.
    Yet all we hear of is debt debt debt, where is all the money going?

    • DaveW (@dmw) said on 28th March 2012, 22:03

      I think the situation is that the shareholders of the entity holding these commercial rights are using all of these juicy assets and “receivables” to finance other enterprises.

      “Shareholders in motor racing group Formula One (F1) are raising $1 billion from a loan refinancing which will be paid into a holding company for future dividends and acquisitions, a person familiar with the matter said on Tuesday. ”

      It’s being used as collateral to support borrowing for other purposes. Of course, when things don’t go well, the cash cow is suddently saddled with massive debt. And the owners start to have to liquidate its assets or chop its costs to satisfy the banks.

  11. Dobin1000 (@dobin1000) said on 28th March 2012, 14:24

    Is that the best you can come up with? V. poor…

  12. Fixy (@fixy) said on 28th March 2012, 15:35

    Massa’s situation is very complex.
    It’s not the 2009 rules – he was strong in that year and had just reached the podium for the first time, with the F60 getting better, before having his crash.
    It’s not Alonso as team mate – he kept his pace in the early part of 2010, and beat him at times.
    It’s not his crash – as said above, he had a great start to the 2010 season in Bahrain, and showed good pace in the following races.
    It might be the Pirelli tyres, but they can only explain a little of the enormous gap Felipe has to Fernando.
    It might be a mix of the above though – he never looked the same again after Germany 2010. He had some exceptions (such as Italy), and he was perhaps inconsistent, but definitely he still had the speed. His drop in results coincided with Alonso’s improvement, and maybe they were a further reason for Felipe to lose faith in himself, and for the team do so as well.
    2011, and up to now 2012, have instead been horrible years for Felipe. It might be him getting old (but he’s only 30), it might be that the two cars have not been to his liking, it might be that the Pirellis are not suitable for his driving style, but nothing can fully justify his poor performances.

    • Robbie (@robbie) said on 28th March 2012, 17:27

      I think it is no one thing for FM…imho if we are to pick on 2011 and 2012 so far, let’s look at a Ferrari that was only 3rd in the WCC chase last year, and a heavily changed car for this year that the team admits they need more time with. Last year the Pirelli’s were new to everyone, but not everyone took to them the same way or at the same pace, so FM may have suffered initially more than some in struggling when the tires weren’t ‘on’. And all the teams are dealing with less downforce this year vs. last due to the big ding the effect of EBD has taken, Red Bull perhaps suffering the most relative to last year since last year’s car was designed by Newey around the EBD.

      So perhaps Ferrari never did really come to terms with the new Pirelli’s last year, as their car wasn’t ‘there’, and perhaps the tires this year, although quite similar but slightly different, still are part of the learning curve for Ferrari now that this car is so different from last year’s.

      I think FM is not that far off, and one thing against him is that being off even a little in a close field can mean many positions…the upside being that being on even a little can mean a gain in many positions.

      For now, as I see Red Bull not the force they were last year, and Merc qualify very strongly and so far not nearly translate that pace to Sundays, I see it as variable so far for many teams, and I’m not ready to deem that FM is in deep trouble. Other than the type of trouble any team is in when they aren’t dominant and have to fight to progress and do better, which is the case 99% of the time. Let’s give FM/Ferrari more time to sort things out and I’ll bet on average his pace won’t look so bad all things considered. I’m sure he is one of his own biggest critics and is looking not just at the team for answers but at himself in the mirror to find any and every possible avenue to improve. As should always be the case for all athletes on all teams in all sports. But a driver is coloured by his car, and if we’re not ready to say FA is about to win the next race because he has now found some secrets that caused him to win the last race and that FM won’t be included in on, then let’s give FM some room to breathe and he and the team, including FA, time to sort it out. The good news is FA’s winning finish, whatever the conditions were that brought it, has bought them some time. And if Mac continues on and becomes the new ‘Red Bull’ runaway team, all the other drivers will be in FM’s shoes. Coloured by their car and needing to find answers from the team and from within.

  13. F1fanNL (@) said on 28th March 2012, 21:36

    Some (well most if you look at the comments) clearly can’t read all too well….

    “Some guys when lapping they just try and bully you so much, it’s not fair. They overtake and want you to go off the road and it’s not right.”

    Where does he mention Vettel here? He could have just as easily been referring to Hamilton. Seeing as letting Hamilton through was the reason he went too wide that isn’t such a long stretch. Plus, Hamilton has pushed slower cars aside before.

    But anyways. I don’t see why people feel for Karthikeyan. He was the one who chose to go wide when he let Hamilton and Vettel through. He was the one who chose to go to the curb. He got on the wet line and almost lost the car. He chose instead of going off the power to steer the car to the right and running the risk of hitting Vettel. Vettel only used the space that was made available to him.

    You guys really think Vettel sees Karthikeyan and thinks “Oh hey, an HRT. I’ll go push him off and show him the back end of my superior car.” Come on… Vettel was busy with one thing and one thing only, chasing Hamilton.

    • F1fanNL (@) said on 28th March 2012, 22:19

      I’ve got some proof Karthikeyan wasn’t referring to Vettel regarding getting bullied off track.


      Hamilton ran Karthikeyan off the road.

      • What are you talking about, clearly Hamilton is a good couple of car lengths behind him and NK gets on the curbs (see dust flying up) so Ham gets by him.

        People will find _anything_ to make Lewis the ‘problem’

  14. DaveW (@dmw) said on 28th March 2012, 21:48

    If you read the lede, its as though Keith is purposefully trying to head off a Hamilton-related flame war: “…stresses McLaren positives and knuckles down…” So its kind of a bit of comedy to see that the general reaction is still, ZOMG arrogant jerk! I supposed after a while, if you are in his shoes, your resopnse becomes either to say nothing, as after Korea last year ( brooding jerk!) or lash out with sarcasm as in Monaco (angry jerk!).

    In other news, Domenicali’s “defense” of Massa is pitiful. There is no comparison between the two scenario’ he compares. It’s bad for you when the team is harkening back to your comparative glory days…from three years ago. I’m sure Domenicali is ashamed to be reduced to these bizarre comments to defend Massa. How far we have come in such a short time from when Massa was calling for Hamilton to be kicked out of the sport. To recall Confucious, Massa should have been concerned with the snow on his own roof. Now his roof has collapsed.

  15. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 29th March 2012, 2:43

    Alistair Burt (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State): “This is not a decision for the British Government and we have not made representations to the Federation Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA) regarding a decision on whether to cancel, reschedule or re-locate the Bahraini Grand Prix. Similarly, we have not lobbied any other country to take a position on this matter or to make representation to the FIA. It remains entirely the decision of the FIA on whether to postpone or cancel any race. I have told the Bahraini authorities that if the race does take place, we expect it to do so under the right conditions.”

    I can’t believe someone actually thought that parliament could in any way influence the FIA or the race in Bahrain.

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