Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Sepang, 2012

Mercedes rear wing row not over yet

F1 Fanatic round-upPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Sepang, 2012In the round-up: Teams continue to protest Mercedes’ rear wing design and use of DRS.


Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:

FIA reassesses Mercedes rear wing (BBC)

“Teams have continued to lobby Whiting since returning from Malaysia last week and BBC Sport understands he will look in detail at their arguments this week before trying to come to a definitive position on the issue.”

Talking heads: The Mercedes DRS (Sky)

“I’m not Charlie Whiting so I can’t tell you if it is legal or not. All I can tell you is that the antis argue the system should be deemed a driver-operated aerodynamic device, and therefore banned, while Mercedes insist that it isn’t a driver-operated system and so there’s no valid reason for it to be banned.”

Malaysia race edit (F1)

The Malaysian Grand Prix in three-ish minutes.

Maurice Hamilton via Twitter

“Fans of F1 and rally cartoonist Jim Bamber can see a selection of his work here http://bit.ly/HadIqe”

Comment of the day

Two more suggestions for teams who bounced back from poor seasons:

Stewart GP.
1997: (founded) Six points scored.
1998: Five points scored. Then…
1999: 36 points scored (four podiums including a race win).
John H

Over a season, the most notable improvement in a car has to be the MP4-24. From being two seconds off the pace to what I consider the best car on the grid by the end of 2009 is staggering.

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On this day in F1

Victory in the United States Grand Prix West at Long Beach went to Lotus driver Mario Andretti on this day 35 years ago.

Jody Scheckter led most of the way in his Wolf before suffering a puncture four laps from home. He recovered to finish third behind pole sitter Niki Lauda.

Here’s the start of the race:

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95 comments on “Mercedes rear wing row not over yet”

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  1. It does seem hypocritical from Horner considering the stance he took last year when he declared that the objection to their flexing wing were just sour grapes and that the objectors should accept the ruling of the Fia. The flexing wing was arguably more against the spirit of the rules than the current issue but that didn’t bother RB in the slightest. I do have a solution however, ban the stupid Drs completely, I hate it because it comprimises the finesse of a driver controlling speed on the limit forcing him to react to a loss of downforce rather than apply subtle levels of acceleration which is one of the most vital skills of a driver IMHO. It also takes away from the overall show which is not all about overtaking. See, problem solved.:)

  2. The effect of FWFD right now is a likely Schumacher-Stadtbahn situation in the races. I really don’t mind seeing competitive cars packed up behind a good driver fighting it out.

    As far as the wing itself, I think Mercedes have simply been more clever. I agree that the rule makers could not have wanted the DRS to be used as some kind of switch for additional complex aero devices. But how to you ban it without really getting into broader rear wing design? You could say, the new rule is “no holes” in the endplate. But we all know how useless specfically tailored technical rules modifications have been against clever designers. Anyway, without a rationale consistent with current rules, the FIA can’t be seen to issuing a Mercedes-specific rule. It was the similar situation with the flex-wing. They kept changing the test, appaerntly to address RBR’s apparent ploy, but it was the same test for everyone, and RBR alone kept beating the test. Why bother going down that road again?

  3. You guys just make this up too serious. F1 is only a show, business, the champion usually decided before the season, it gets pretty hot in the middle part, just to ensure enough bet for harvest. Look at the rule of nose height, why mecca’s car is the only car who originally comply with it, and suddenly become the fastest car on the grid. The merc car has to be improved somehow, because fans demand of schumi’s performance. The renaults have reactive suspension so can become dark horse. All these only for betting adrenalin and good for business..sorry.

    1. ” Look at the rule of nose height, why mecca’s car is the only car who originally comply with it”

      The bulkhead/nose height is _not_ a game changer, its just a different design philosphy and has its pro _and_ cons.

      McLaren have ran a lower bulkhead than other teams in recent years, it allows them to run a lower center of gravity and stiffer front-end.

      Other teams have the stepped nose because they prefer running a higher bulkhead which allows for greater airflow under the car, which they have done since 2009.

      1. “The renaults have reactive suspension so can become dark horse.”

        BTW, that was outlawed before the season started…

        PS. humans have been to the moon.

        1. Also, they’re called Lotus now.

  4. For the love of God,it’s not driver operated.Duct is conveniently placed under the movable part of the rear wing,so that when DRS is activated duct is exposed to air flow,which in turn stals the front wing.Concept is absolutely brilliant,and is totally passive,And Horner can choke on it.Im not a Mercedes fan,Lotus is my team but this is redonkulous :)

    1. Carlito's way
      4th April 2012, 8:29

      Problem is it IS driver operated because but for an direct action from the driver ( pressing a button on the steering wheel) the system would not come into effect. If this ever went to court it wouldn’t last ten minutes. Still love the system and hope merc gets to keep it as it mixes up the grid.

  5. HewisLamilton
    3rd April 2012, 22:56

    Wow, this is quite humorous. So RB have a contraversial Flexi Wing last year and had to listen to complaining about it, even after it was deemed legal. And it was deemed legal after the deflection test was modified to try and make them illegal.
    So now RB complain about the Merc and they are drawn and quartered for it by 90% of the posters on here. I would wager that the 90% saying RB should shove it are the same ones complaining that RB had an illegal wing.
    So it’s okay for other teams to complain about RB, but RB are not allowed to complain about anything?

    1. Alain (@paganbasque)
      4th April 2012, 8:02

      Yes and no, they can complain if they think that the system is not legal, but once not three times, Whiting must be exasperated giving, once again, the same answer and explanation.

      1. I just don’t think Whiting’s supposed ‘same answer and explanation’ has held enough water against perhaps some very compelling arguments by Horner et al, and perhaps Whiting has told Horner he won’t be changing his mind about Merc but that he will be taking under advisement the legality of what Horner as perhaps presented to him as their answer to Mercs system, or all the other types of trickery (can of worms) that should then be deemed legal if Mercs is to remain so.

        I just think Whiting could not have given Horner et al a resounding set-in-stone NO go away, if the teams are still pursuing this issue with him. I’m sure whatever he tells the teams by China will be the final answer with a much clearer explanation to the teams which they obviously feel has been lacking or else they would have let it go by now and proceeded with their own system.

        There’s a possibility that Horner is saying to Whiting please make sure of your stance on this because we can instill a system that will knock everyone’s socks off if we’re going to go down that road of secondary uses of driver-controlled aero bits. Tell us ahead of time if we should spend the time and money instigating our concept, our answer to Merc, and then don’t complain when you see us improve drastically. Just suggesting that as one possibility.

  6. Sean Newman
    4th April 2012, 11:36

    The FIA will eventually have to ban the Mercedes solution because it will just open a whole new can of worms.

    What if teams started using the movement of the rear wing to make other adjustments the driver would not normally be allowed to make? There are a whole host of such settings and it would just become ridiculous.

    Can you imagine a series of rods or pulleys that change things in the car all operated off the rear wing movement? I bet someone can think of a few useful ones. Just Crazy, but then DRS is just crazy anyway.

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