Webber joins Rosberg and Grosjean with grid penalty

2012 German Grand Prix

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Hockenheim, 2012Mark Webber is the latest driver to receive a five-place penalty on the grid for the German Grand Prix.

Webber will lose five places due to a gearbox change on his Red Bull.

He joins Nico Rosberg and Romain Grosjean, who will also receive penalties for the same thing.

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47 comments on Webber joins Rosberg and Grosjean with grid penalty

  1. BasCB (@bascb) said on 21st July 2012, 9:55

    Off to change my pole prediction then :-(

    • DVC (@dvc) said on 21st July 2012, 11:11

      Don’t do it yet. If Alonso and Vettel get penalites as well Webber could still be on Pole.

    • Coanda (@ming-mong) said on 21st July 2012, 11:42

      pffftt, prediction comps. We have 3 quality drivers demoted due to silly rules & that is your concern… Almost every race this happens. We have all been robbed this weekend but I really feel for fans that forked out a lot of coin to go to the German G.P. who will be doubly robbed of the spectacle they should have received. Even if I was Alonso I wouldn’t want to gain an advantage over Webber in such a way.

  2. Osvaldas31 (@osvaldas31) said on 21st July 2012, 9:58

    That’s getting ridicolous! The other day people were talking about about gearbox penalties affecting championship leaders, and here you go! Keith should include ‘who’s next to get gearbox penalty’ into predictions championship.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 21st July 2012, 10:13

      The other day people were talking about about gearbox penalties affecting championship leaders, and here you go!

      So because a driver is a championship contender, he should be exempt from grid penalties?

      Given how competitive the season has been to date, it’s unlikely that the penalties will have much effect.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 21st July 2012, 22:59

      The question we and the teams need to ask is “What is different this year, why so many gearbox failures?” I’m guessing it’s a cooling issue due to tight packaging but it could be new smaller g’boxes. @scarbs?

  3. MethylONE (@methylone) said on 21st July 2012, 10:01

    No one really had Webber winning the championship though, right?

  4. Mallesh Magdum (@malleshmagdum) said on 21st July 2012, 10:02

    there goes his championship

    • No Name said on 21st July 2012, 10:08

      lol as if webber ever would win a championship…joke of the month

      • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 21st July 2012, 12:04

        Not remember 2010? He was in contention right until the end.

        • DVC (@dvc) said on 21st July 2012, 12:18

          He was leading before the last race.

        • F1fanNL (@) said on 21st July 2012, 23:03

          Because Vettel lost so many points to mechanical failures and rookie mistakes. Vettel might still suffer the same amount of failures but I doubt he’ll make the mistakes he made back then. Webber is lucky the car suits his style completely and Vettel’s a bit less. That could perhaps give him a fighting chance although Valencia and Bahrein did not bode well for the Australian.

    • sorin (@) said on 21st July 2012, 12:22

      They(Red Bull) gives this race to Vettel… In exchange of Brazil, last year.

  5. Todfod (@todfod) said on 21st July 2012, 10:09

    I thought penalties do not affect pole positions in the predictions. The position before the penalty is handed out is what counts. I’m confused…

    • minnis (@minnis) said on 21st July 2012, 11:04

      Nope. Its who starts the race from pole on Sunday. At Barcelona, I had Hamilton for pole, but I don’t think anyone guessed it was Maldonado. I certainly got no points.

  6. Calum (@calum) said on 21st July 2012, 10:15

    2nd place in the championship takes a grid penalty, Alonso… y u so spawny!

    ;-P

  7. DT (@dt) said on 21st July 2012, 10:18

    this just confirms my thoughts about this stupid penalty

  8. alexf1man (@alexf1man) said on 21st July 2012, 10:22

    What we need is a “If the pole sitter gets a penalty after the prediction is made, who will get pole position?” clause…

  9. East Londoner said on 21st July 2012, 10:23

    Why should the driver be punished for a part of his car needing to be replaced? 8, nearly 9 years of this arbitary rubbish and I’ve had enough of it.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 21st July 2012, 10:32

      Why should the driver be punished for a part of his car needing to be replaced?

      Because the penalty doesn’t just affect the driver – it affects the whole team. The teams were the ones who broke the rules by replacing the gearbox, even if doing so it meant guaranteeing that they would be able to finish the race. If the problem is a faulty part, then perhaps the teams should be bulding better gearboxes.

      • DVC (@dvc) said on 21st July 2012, 12:22

        I wouldn’t say they broke the rules. They’re playing by them. Replacing the gearbox and then not telling anyone to try and avoid a grid drop would be breaking the rules.

        I basically agree with you though. Whether others like it or not gearbox durability is part of the competition at the moment. A driver plays a role in making the gearbox last the same as they do making the tyres last.

      • JB (@) said on 21st July 2012, 15:19

        I agree… and it just goes to show that SF really knows how to build a “tank”…. Thank God they haven´t been hit with these problems!

  10. Imre (@f1mre) said on 21st July 2012, 10:39

    I’m fed up with penalties now. It came to my mind first in Monaco, then in Britain. MS getting a grid penalty for doing something somewhere not in Monaco… Then Britain. HĂĽlkenberg had a chance to qualify eg. 4th but he had a 5-place penalty for a gearbox change. Fantastic. Every race someone suffers from something which either not happened at the actual weekend or a mechanical failure. Gearboxes should be handled just like engines. X/season.
    They should perhaps introduce a penalty points system and punish drivers after a certain number of penalty points. Causing an accident X points. Gearbox change Y points. Z points results in an exclusion from the next GP.(or exclusion from the next Quali=starting from pit)

    • davidnotcoulthard said on 21st July 2012, 10:54

      If so last year Liuzzi would’ve probably got <0 points!

    • Calum (@edwardcj95f1) said on 21st July 2012, 11:02

      I like that, that would actually show some common sense from the fia

    • Coanda (@ming-mong) said on 21st July 2012, 11:30

      In theory it could maybe work however penalty points systems have somewhat ruined other sports & everyone will argue on the weightings applied to each incident. It is an overdose in rules that got us here in the first place & more rules just leads to more headaches. Imagine two drivers having a similar accident and one driver gets 10 demerit points & the other 20. Let the championship be decided on the track, not at a tribunal hearing of suits.

  11. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 21st July 2012, 10:41

    By my estimation, there have been nine drivers who have been given gearbox penalties, and eleven separate instances of gearbox penalties being issued this year. Under the pre-2012 rules, which allowed the teams and drivers one free gearbox change without penalty during the season, only Pastor Maldonado would have been given a penalty, as he is the only driver to have changed his gearbox more than once in the season. His joker would have been used in Bahrain, and he would have taken his penalties in Monaco and Canada.

  12. davidnotcoulthard said on 21st July 2012, 10:42

    Next up……Fernando!

    Then we might have a Vettel-Massa 1-2!

    With Jenson in 3rd…or Lewis.

  13. sato113 (@sato113) said on 21st July 2012, 10:47

    why is it always Webber and never Vettel?

  14. Eggry (@eggry) said on 21st July 2012, 11:03

    3 drivers in one race! Am I only one there’re too many gearbox changes this year?

    • DVC (@dvc) said on 21st July 2012, 12:27

      It’s a symptom of a close competition. The teams are pushing the limits of component design to try and get an edge, and have just pushed a little too far here.

      Actually they don’t lose as much pushing a little harder on the gearbox than they would on other components. Go too far with a gearbox, and it’s hmm we’ll have to change that early and take a grid drop. Go too far with a shock absorber and it’s oh no he won’t finish the race!

  15. Coanda (@ming-mong) said on 21st July 2012, 11:18

    This would have to be one of the most ridiculous rules in F1 today. Oh I feel like violently shaking the pee heads that sit around and think up such stupid rules. Logic would say, cap it like the engines & ditch this crud.

    • DVC (@dvc) said on 21st July 2012, 12:28

      So you get your grid penalties at the end of the season rather than in the middle. Why is that any better?

      • Coanda (@ming-mong) said on 21st July 2012, 17:16

        Maybe Webber wouldn’t get a grid penalty at all. If this was to be the only non routine change for the year then this would mean he would have to nurse his GB’s a little more than the rest of the pack as each remaining GB would have to do a little more mileage.

    • OOliver said on 21st July 2012, 12:46

      The engine rules were like this for a few years before the realised it was just plain stupid.
      Why not just limit the number of gearboxes and then mix and match.

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