Red Bull referred to stewards over engine maps

2012 German Grand Prix

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Hockenheim, 2012The legality of Red Bull’s cars is in question ahead of the German Grand Prix.

FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer said the team may be using an unapproved engine torque map to “artificially alter the aerodynamic characteristics” of their cars.

In a statement released ahead of today’s race Bauer said: “Having examined the engine base torque map of car numbers one and two it became apparent that the maximum torque output of both engines is significantly less than the mid rpm range than previously seen for these engines at other events.

“In my opinion this is therefore in break of article 5.5.3 of the 2012 Formula One Technical Regulations as the engines are able to deliver more torque at a given engine speed in the mid rpm rang.

“Furthermore this new torque map will artificially alter the aerodynamic characteristics of both cars with is also in contravention of TD 036-11.

“I am referring this matter to the stewards for their consideration.”

Article 5.5.3 of the Technical Regulations states:

“The maximum accelerator pedal travel position must correspond to an engine torque demand equal to or greater than the maximum engine torque at the measured engine speed.

“The minimum accelerator pedal travel position must correspond to an engine torque demand equal to or lower than 0Nm.”

Sebastian Vettel starts today’s race from second place, Mark Webber eighth.

Update: No penalty for Red Bull over engine map

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114 comments on Red Bull referred to stewards over engine maps

  1. Michael (@michaelf1) said on 22nd July 2012, 11:59

    This is great for the sport. We see Red Bull starting to dominate and pull out a great gap in the construtors and if you like drivers championship but now we come to a huge discision if not done before the race might interfier with their race results. Someone said in the comments that the F1A might ban them for a few races. If so then Ferrari, Lotus and Mclaren could close up the gap and if MErcedes are good enough, might catch them up too. Sauber and below them are out of contention of picking up the constructors title unless something changes drasticly.

  2. Rocky (@rocky) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:00

    Adrian Newey book on aerodynamics and racing “if you’re not cheating you are only cheating yourself.

  3. Michael (@michaelf1) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:01

    NO FURTHER ACTION! WHAT A RELIEF FOR RED BULL

  4. Brace said on 22nd July 2012, 12:02

    No action! Ugghhh. I wonder if this goddamn team even has any fans. I couldn’t like them if they were the only team in F1.

  5. Eggry (@eggry) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:02

    No further action. We will see many comments from teams.

  6. MazdaChris (@mazdachris) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:02

    So, odd statement from the FIA about the decision. Looks like nothing is going to happen but I’d expect the other teams to either appeal the decision/protest the legality of the RB8 after the race, or to request a technical clarification from the stewards.

  7. petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:02

    They got away with it. What a massive surprise. Honestly, for one second, just imagine it’d had been the McLarens…..

  8. JB (@) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:05

    This is total BS….. I hope the teams unite and protest them… it is totally unfair!! I guess Dieter passed a thick envelope to someone….

  9. Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:17

    No I wonder whether other teams will find courage to file a protest. FIA’s statement explaining why Red Bull escaped penalty is simply ridiculous and contradicts itself.

  10. katederby (@katederby) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:21

    Until the FIA can find people of the calibre of the team’s engineers then this will always happen. That’s not to attack anyone at the FIA but it’s near impossible to make a water tight regulation.

  11. mrgrieves (@mrgrieves) said on 22nd July 2012, 12:23

    Firstly from a Vettel fan this is appears to be a awful awful decision by the stewards, to disregard the data and objections from the FIA is rediculous even scandalous! So with the data seemingly clearly showing foul play, From the rule writers opinion on top of that how guilty did Horner appear when Ted chased him down before the decision. Maybe the failure to take the right decision proves beyond doubt that the current stewarding system is flawed if they cant enforce black and white FIA Rules!

    Worst decision in F1 since Alonso’s penalty at Monza in 2006 for blocking Massa.

    Im disgusted!

  12. James_wilson said on 22nd July 2012, 12:34

    Unconfirmed reports that Red Bull are developing a fan-car for the next race. They say they are not worried about “regulations”

  13. From a comment by Derek Warwick, whilst speaking to Martin Brundle, this issue isn’t going away. As I see it the regulations haven’t been written precisely, giving too much doubt about their enforceability if it went to appeal.
    RBR are always pushing the technology limits and have worked within a poorly worded Regulation. I imagine that this “loophole” will be closed fairly quickly

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