FIA set to ban Red Bull engine map

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Mark Webber, Red Bull, Hockenheim, 2012In the round-up: The FIA is expected to outlaw Red Bull’s controversial engine map in time for the Hungarian Grand Prix.


Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:

FIA mapping clarification will mean Red Bull changes (GrandPrix)

“It is understood that Red Bull Racing will not be able to run the same map that FIA technical delegate Jo Bauer considered to be outside the regulations in Germany.”

Domenicali vows to protect Massa (Autosport)

“We have always said there is no pressure. We want him to realise that he is a part of us, and we will protect him in all conditions. And I am sure that he will give back what the team is giving him.”

Q&A with McLaren?s Martin Whitmarsh (F1)

“My fear is that at the moment the deal hasn?t been done and therefore it adds some volatility to the situation. At times Formula One has lost opportunities because of inner frictions. We create dramas out here between us rather than saying, ??Hey, this is a fantastic sport, a world sport, and we should all work together and point in the same direction!?”

Time to look at the F1 business model? (Joe Saward)

“Hockenheim is the second largest sports stadium in Europe (after the Nurburgring) and boasts 120,000 seats. On Sunday, however, only 59,000 of these had bottoms in them.”

F1 diary: German Grand Prix (The Telegraph)

“Suspicions about Hockenheim’s relative tranquillity are confirmed. The grandstands are largely empty and the whole place feels flat ?ǣ and this in a land that’s relatively prosperous by the standards of the current economic climate. That there are five Germans in the field, including the reigning world champion, seems not to matter.”

Domenicali: “Immune to the euphoria of others” (Ferrari)

“The fact we are leading the Drivers? championship with Fernando does not lull us into thinking that everything is fine and we?re cruising along with the wind in our sails; quite the contrary in fact. Red Bull has always been very strong in Budapest these past few years and McLaren showed in Germany that it was back in front running form, after a slight dip at its home race.”

German GP Review (Williams)

Pastor [Maldonado] was very unlucky. Before the incident he had good pace and was very happy with the car balance. Then at Turn 5 on lap 12 he ran over a large piece of carbon fibre debris which was sitting on the middle of the track which damaged a number of aerodynamic components down the left hand side of the car. The substantial loss in downforce meant that the car balance was adversely affected and this impacted on the tyre performance and his ultimate car pace.”

The Nordschleife will be saved (MotorSport)

“Truth is the Nordschleife has never been busier and the car manufacturers who?ve invested millions building workshops there and whose staff spend millions of man hours pounding are not going simply to walk away. Fact is if you?re developing the suspension and tyres of a new road car, there?s nowhere else on earth like it. And it?s great for PR too: I can?t remember the last Jaguar launch I attended where its top press honcho didn?t mention the fact that its cars are developed there.”

Hungarian Rhapsody (Speed)

“The infield of the Hungaroring was completely unimproved, allegedly because the woman who owned it would not sell to the track developers. We had no overhead shots for our television coverage, and VIPs were limited to ground transport, due to a ban on helicopter traffic in the name of security. This vestige of government paranoia was loosened just enough for the mandatory medivac chopper.”

McLaren to shut down F1 and road car plants during summer break (The Guardian)

“At McLaren’s Woking headquarters, it has also been decided their new car plant ?ǣ opened in November last year by the prime minister David Cameron ?ǣ will also lock its doors, even though they are under no obligation to do so.”

Comment of the day

Snowman on Massa’s situation at Ferrari:

I wish Massa could go back in time to Hockenheim 2010 and tell Ferrari where to go when they asked him to move over for Alonso. Ferrari would have fired him at the end of the year with his standing in the paddock and mentality in check.

He would now be in another car doing a Kovalainein beating some other driver in a lesser car but looking great doing it. Instead now we have a pale shadow of a man that virtually no one remembers how good he once was on his day.

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On this day in F1

Controversy in the 1982 French Grand Prix: Rene Arnoux ignored a team order to let fellow Renault driver Alain Prost win, and led home a one-two for the team.

A shocking crash on lap 11 between Jochen Mass and Mauro Baldi was lucky not to have more serious consequences as some of the wreckage landed in the crowd, leaving around a dozen spectators with minor injuries.

The drivers were unhurt, but this proved to be Mass’s last race in F1 – he had also been involved in the crash that killed Gilles Villeneuve earlier that year. The same was also true of Ferrari’s Didier Pironi, who was seriously injured in a crash during practice for the next race in Germany.

Here’s the aftermath of the Baldi/Mass crash:

Image ?? Red Bull/Getty images

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101 comments on FIA set to ban Red Bull engine map

  1. Girts (@girts) said on 25th July 2012, 9:04

    I think that Ferrari’s assumed loyalty to Massa is not the reason why he is still with the team, at least not the main reason. It’s rather a combination between circumstances and Ferrari’s own shortcomings and preferences.

    The signs are that Ferrari have tried to replace Massa. According to some unofficial information, Kubica had already done some sort of agreement with the team so it’s likely he would be driving for them now if he was able to. This year Ferrari obviously tried to sign Webber but the latter decided to stay at RBR.

    I think that for different reasons Ferrari have not been able to hire the drivers they would want to. Some of them, like Webber, don’t enjoy the prospect of being Fernando’s number two. Some, like Hamilton, could potentially harm the harmony within the team and some others are simply not good enough [yet]. Moreover, it looks like Ferrari think long-term so they don’ t want to hire, let’s say, Glock for a few races without thinking about the future after that.

    Massa has been a very loyal team player, he loves the team and I think the team loves his personality as well, even if they are disappointed with his results. I imagine he’s quite good at giving feedback and helping to develop the car, too. While they cannot be happy about losing important points in the constructors’ championship, as long as they have Alonso, probably the most complete driver on the grid, and a harmonic team, they might be happy enough waiting for a good opportunity to hire a driver they want, not just someone they can.

  2. alexf1man (@alexf1man) said on 25th July 2012, 9:12

    Three years ago today, Felipe Massa had his horrific crash in Hungary. Two years ago, he was told that “Fernando is faster” and let him through…

  3. Ribf1 (@) said on 25th July 2012, 10:04

    If Massa had scored just half of Alonso’s points.Ferrari will be leading both championships.Though in recent races he showed signs of improvement but luck seems not to be on his side.

  4. DavidJH (@davidjh) said on 25th July 2012, 10:37

    There’s a long running debate over whether Ferrari should persist with Massa, and I have chimed in with my views on other threads. It’s worth making the point, however, that this is not a matter of Ferrari either being loyal or not loyal to Massa. Whatever happens, they have already been remarkably loyal to him. In their long and distinguished history, only driver has driven more GPs for them (and that was Schumacher who as I recall also delivered a certain amount of success…) In fact, only 4 drivers have driven more GP for a single team than Massa’s 110 outings for Ferrari: Schumacher’s 180s drives for Ferrari, Coulthard’s 150 for McLaren, Jacques Laffite’s 132 for Ligier and Hakkinen’s 131 for McLaren.

  5. xjr15jaaag (@xjr15jaaag) said on 25th July 2012, 12:23

    The perfect solution to Red Bull: they should use the clutch to disengage the drive from the engine, which would generate lots of hot exhaust gases, to achieve a blown diffuser effect. Then, for instance, out of a hairpin, they could have lots of traction.
    That could replace drivers having to lift slightly for corners, and could save fuel, as the driver can choose not to have this feature.,
    It could also be excellent at the start of a race as well.
    The clutch will need a bit of reinforcement, but that can be achieved, surely

  6. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 25th July 2012, 13:16

    I think the ECU debate is fascinating. I do think the tweaked rule is a good thing. Not all F1 teams have the luxury (or burden…) of producing their own engines so having the engine freeze in place at least makes for a good degree of competition up and down the field. It puts more emphasis on the aero and reliability expertise as well as countless other fields of knowledge and experience.

  7. HoHum (@hohum) said on 26th July 2012, 0:34

    It would be nice if we knew what the banned words were before we try to make a point, why not have a link to the “banned” lexicon for those of us with a sense of humour.

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