Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Monza, 2012

Rate the race: 2012 Italian Grand Prix

2012 Italian Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Monza, 2012What did you think of the Italian Grand Prix? Share your verdict on today’s race.

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Rate the 2012 Italian Grand Prix out of ten

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  • 3 (0%)
  • 4 (0%)
  • 5 (2%)
  • 6 (8%)
  • 7 (24%)
  • 8 (35%)
  • 9 (20%)
  • 10 (7%)

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  1. Alonso v Vettel. Talking about equality.

    Perez overtaking Alonso – that’s why Perez won’t drive Ferrari next year.

    1. Too quick for Alonso?

      1. Maybe, and Perez wouldn’t like to be number 2 driver.

        1. But who would like to?

          1. Massa! lol

          2. @osvaldas31 @f1mre There’s been a lot of comments about this so I’ve set up a poll:

            Did Vettel deserve penalty for Alonso move at Curva Grande?

    2. Agreed. Last year Alonso pushed Vettel off track, nobody cared.

      Now Vettel does the same, Vettel get’s a drive through.

      When Ferrari complain, FIA changes the rules for them.

      When another team complains, FIA changes the rules against them.

      But the FIA isn’t biased……

      1. When Alonso ‘pushed’ Vettel off the track last year, the current regulation of having to leave a 1-car width between the edge of the track during an overtaking maneouver was not in place.

        Taking a look at last year’s replay, it is obvious that Alonso in fact left a car width for Vettel last year, only Vettel did not use it. This year Vettel pushed further to the left.

        1. Agreed, replay of 2011 shows this clearly..

        2. Look at the momentum Alonso was carrying, he put him self in that situation. He choose the wrong side and cried out to all the world about it. A cry baby.

          1. If Alonso can get into a gap, he should be able to take it without the guy in front forcing an incident.

      2. FIA.
        Ferrari International Assistants.

        1. Todd (@braketurnaccelerate)
          9th September 2012, 22:22

          I know it won’t get it, but this should be COTD.

          1. No it shouldn’t. It’s an old and tired saying.

      3. And in the time since, the FIA has cracked down on dangerous driving.

    3. The Italians are 110% behind their car (even without a win)!
      Amazing to see… Britons could learn a thing or two from that :D

      1. You’ve obviously never been to Silverstone…

      2. Andy G (@toothpickbandit)
        9th September 2012, 16:06

        You mean booing everyone on the podium who doesn’t drive dor Ferrari? Yeah I’m good, thanks.

      3. I actually thought the Tifosi were behaving atrociously during the podium ceremony. Being not Italian nor British, I think the British fans are actually better ‘fans’ as they appreciate good racing, no matter which team they drive for.

        1. Absolutely right.

          Some (not all, by any means) Tifosi have the same attitude as some of these Beliebers etc… Being overly obnoxious and rude to anyone and anything that threatens their beloved Justin/Ferrari.

          In a way, the sport is worse off having fans that show a lack of consideration, regardless of how passionate they are to their favoured team.

        2. You say that… But then, this argument is going on.

      4. What a stupid thing to say.. At Silverstone this year tens of thousands of us braved unbelievable weather to support the mclaren boys and although they struggled during the race we never lost our appreciation for them.
        What we also did was stand and applaud a great fight between Webber and Alonso for the victory whilst still sporting our mclaren merch and union jacks.
        THIS, is what true F1 fans do!!

    4. Thats right!!!

  2. boring first 10 laps, absolutely awesome 2nd half, my face was 2 inches from the screen since perez pitted

  3. Lots of DRS passes, but lots of legitimate passes as well. Definitely got more thrilling towards the end. 7/10.

  4. really good race. shame about few retirements, without them race would be even more exiting at the end. 9/10

  5. I really liked it ! DRS was fair (good they are nailing those !), and there were some good fights everywhere. 9/10, just the battle for the lead was missing.

    1. DRS was as bad as it gets down here.
      Really just the idea of having DRS at Monza is plain stupid. DRS robbed the scene of many more side-by-side brake at 1st chicane and Roggia.

      1. Really just the idea of having DRS at Monza is plain stupid. DRS robbed the scene of many more side-by-side brake at 1st chicane and Roggia.

        @stefanauss I’m not so sure. It’s very hard to overtake here. I think DRS was good enough. It wasn’t straighfoward…

        1. the low downforce packages makes slipstreaming less effective, if i remember commentary or a tweet i read somewhere, i thought drs was pretty good here all things considered

      2. I didn’t think the DRS was that bad to be honest, it allowed moves to be set up, but it was still down to the drivers to get their braking right into the chicane in order to seal the move.

  6. 6/10 Good race, but we’ve seen much better. Above average, but nothing really special.

  7. A bittersweet 7 for me. Disappointing for Button and Vettel. Promising for Alonso and Perez. Refreshing for Hamilton.

    Race itself was entertaining. Not sure about the Vettel/Alonso incident. Not very fair on the front of it, but the stewards do seem to have developed a more punitive approach recently.

  8. No realistic fight for the win despite the wrong pit strategy, Alonso was very quick off the line, but not that brave tactic wise, they just mimic everyone else, Sauber try the odd thing and get results again.

    1. Agree…

    2. How could Alonso be more brave tactic wise? He had to start on the mediums where Perez had freedom over which tyres to start on. He came in at the right time, any longer he would have lost positions.

      1. He could have tried a two-stopper, though I’m not sure it would have paid off.

      2. Or not crying about choosing the wrong side to overtake Vettel.

  9. Classic italian grand prix. Clean, comprehensible, great battles on track, mechanical issues providing an element of surprise in the championship, a great drive by an outsider driver, crypted messages, penalties, controversy. It had absolutely everything. Quite an oldschool feel about it.

    I won’t take Ferrari’s “think about tyre management, Felipe” into account as Alonso would have passed Massa and pulled away anyway, with or without instructions from the team. Mixed feelings about Vettel’s penalty as well, but I guess that doesn’t matter either now either.

    A good watch. 8/10.

    1. Agreed. In attempting to be cryptic, which in itself was pointless considering team orders are permitted, they just drew more attention to the inevitable.

    2. I still can’t understand how they think that will fool anyone….

  10. 7. Would have been 9 without Vettel’s penalty.

  11. 9. Came to a great climax towards the end with great racing up and down the field. That is all.

    1. Yeah… I would have given it a 10 if there was a battle for the lead. There seemed to be a great amount of action throughout the field for the entire race so I had to rate it a 9

  12. + Sergio Perez
    + Vettel versus Alonso

    – No lead challenge
    – Ferrari antis
    – Crappy stewarding

    Went with 4

    1. Hard to please?

  13. Bad day for my beloved RBR but decent enough race. Knew that Perez wouldn’t catch Hamilton so 7/10 for me.

  14. A Eight! The retirements and Vettel’s penalty ruined a bit for me.

  15. 8 because of Perez

  16. Slightly more exciting than Spa last week, which I rated 7. This deserves an 8. Every time I thought the finishing order was settled, something unpredictable happened, right down to the very last lap, with Senna pipping Ricciardo to the final points position – that makes seven top ten finishes for him compared to Maldonado’s two. Great drive from PĂ©rez, he’ll definitely be my driver of the weekend.

    1. I was very glad to see Senna nab that last point, whatever the reason (looks as though Ricciardo ran into some trouble at that point, not sure what though as we never saw it), given that Williams botched his strategy pretty badly again today.

    2. that makes seven top ten finishes for him compared to Maldonado’s two

      Not taking anything away from Bruno as today, as a whole, he looked a bit better than Maldonado (even though, in the last part of the race Pastor was faster and closed the gap to less than a second) but that doesn’t prove Senna’s quicker / a better driver than Maldonado quite yet.

      Plus, with all the retirements and problems added, I reckon Senna would have finished in 15th, somewhere between Hulkenberg and his team mate, only 20-some seconds in front of the D’Ambrosio who is a replacement driver and had no KERS for the whole race, Caterham, Marussia and HRT. That’s still an insanely poor result for that Williams car, which I’m afraid come from the drivers underperforming rather than any strategy mix-up the team might pull.

      1. It’s hard to view Williams’ strategy with Bruno at Spa and here as anything other than poor though, I think. Today they left him out almost dangerously long on mediums, finally brought him in, and somehow he came back out way back in P17. If you’re going to risk your driver amid the frontrunners on old tires, I wouldn’t recommend following it up with what I’m sure must have been the slowest pit stop of the race…

        1. Agreed. It couldn’t have helped, but even so Senna looked like he was never gonna be able to challenge Koba and Di Resta. And their strategies weren’t mind-twisters either. He did lose ground because of the misjudgement of his strategy but also he lost time being impatient and incident prone at the beginning of the race and due to his general pace, which was decent but (again!) not good enough in order to get the most out of the car. And this goes for Maldonado as well.

          There’s a number of factors that lead to Williams still struggling this season with a race winning car. The strategies are just a small part of the equation, I’m afraid.

          1. To conclude, Maldonado is going through a small mid-season crisis at the moment, trying to refine his behaviour on track after an incredibly bad season and he’s got the team’s support to do so. In my view, this means a lot of the WCC-related responsabilities are now in Senna’s hands as he needs to deliver, up his pace and almost single-handedly place Williams at least in front of Force India at the end of the season.

            It’s 9 points in difference now. My sincere opinion is that if he manages to do so, he’s won his seat in F1 for the next year at least. This would also mean he reached a respectable level or consistency and the capability to deliver competitive race pace, in general. If he doesn’t, I don’t see ANY rational reason for Williams not to replace him with Bottas in 2013.

          2. My main reason for thinking it would be foolish to bring Bottas in to Williams in 2013 (or any other team, for that matter) is the fact that he’s only raced in GP3 so far. Granted yes, every now and then, you get a less developed racer than the rest who has enough natural talent to carry him through the fast track (e.g. Vettel). However, other times you come upon a situation like Grosjean’s in 2009.

            Williams already came under heavy fire this year for having such a green lineup. Replacing it with an even greener one next year doesn’t strike me as the wisest decision in the world, especially if Bottas represents less financial backing and they’d lose money at the same time. I suppose only time will tell, though. For now, Senna still remains a far more consistent race finisher, penalty avoider and point scorer than Maldonado.

          3. Bottas did GP3, Formula Renault 2.0 and F3 Euroseries, and he never finished a single championship lower than 3rd. On Friday he generally looks fairly quick. He’s got a fairly decent financial support package. He comes from the finnish school – which is known to produce valuable drivers. Why wouldn’t they give him a chance? And why would he need to waste time in GP2 for instance, especially now, with that particular championship’s capability of producing talents being questioned. I’d say it’s a good thing he’s skipping that step.

            Raikkonen, Button, Vettel – all did it and they are world champions and some of the best drivers on the grid today. Are you suggesting they were foolish to make this decision as well? :)

            Williams now have the Renault engine and a good aero package which can develop into a great one next year. In my opinion, they don’t need just someone decent and consistent. They need a race winner and, as all the other teams, they want to be the ones who introduce a “new Vettel” to the sport. Bottas apparently has the potential to be just that, but they won’t know unless they put in in a racing seat, preferrably before the 2014 chaos season.

      2. You make eminently sensible points, @tony031r (both in your original reply and in your analysis of the Bottas situation), but just to make it clear, I wasn’t suggesting that Senna is quicker or better than Maldonado. I was just giving the facts. For what it’s worth, I think Maldonado is quicker, but speed alone is not worth much if you can’t couple it with consistency. Senna at least has that.

  17. Another good race. Reminded me of Spa, clear leader and winner but with enough close pack racing amongst the rest to keep it exciting. Good level of drama from Alonso and Vettel with a couple of major retirements that screws up the championship just enough for it to remain healthy. Perez provided a similar level of excitement to Vettel last weekend and once again displayed his superb ability to look after tyres. Hamilton never looked threatened after T1 at the start when Massa was considering having a go.

    All in all a good race and deserved result. Just about deserved punishment for Vettel, it wasn’t intentional but rules are rules. Honourable mention to D’Ambrosio for improving on his qualifying position.

    1. AND D’Ambrosio had broken KERS. Respect. Job well done Jerome.

    2. Safe drive from D’Ambrosio – but he didn’t really improve on his Q with Button and Vettel retirements gifting two places.

      1. You mean Button, Vettel, Webber and Hulkenberg’s retirements. They were all in front of him. And probably so would have been Vergne if he finished the race.

  18. Really great race, with a mix of strategies, overtaking, car failures and underdogs! I don’t think anyone would have expected Perez to storm through the field like that once he had pitted, but it sure spiced the race up towards the end!

    It’s a bit of a shame that Button had a failure, because I think he could have pressured Hamilton a bit more towards the end, and after some really bad luck mid-year, he really deserved it. Plus, with the RB failures, the Championship has been blown wide open, and I don’t think there is any room for error from any driver or team in the remaining races.

    Sauber have a great chance at taking fifth in the Constructors now I think, but I think a lot of focus has to be on Raikkonen. He’s only 38 points behind Alonso now, and one point behind Hamilton, despite not having won a race this season. If he can mix it towards the front more, or at least have some better Saturdays, he could be the dark horse of the Championship.

    We’re in for a hell of an end to the 2012 season!

    1. Lotus seems to have a chronic illness of not having speed in first 5 laps. We can all hope.

  19. 8. Lots of drama, lots of good moves, it’s a shame that there was no battle for the lead.
    The crowd is good only when there is a Ferrari. I don’t really like the booing (did I spell it right?), and as an italian person, I am quite ashamed.

  20. Far from the no-respect-drivers that some wanted to sell us last weekend in Spa, even GP2 races were clean! Well done to them to shut down some media microphones!

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