Alonso equals Senna’s tally of 80 podiums

2012 Italian Grand Prix stats and facts

Martin Brundle, Ayrton Senna, Michael Schumacher, Monza, 1992Lewis Hamilton scored his 20th career victory and his first Italian Grand Prix win. He now has as many wins to his name as Mika Hakkinen.

This was the third consecutive win for McLaren. The last time they managed that was in 2008 when Hamilton won the British and German Grands Prix, and Heikki Kovalainen claimed victory in Hungary.

Hamilton set his 23rd pole position which moves him back in front of Fernando Alonso, needing one more to break into the all-time top ten.

With Jenson Button second on the grid, this was McLaren’s 62nd one-two, moving them ahead of Williams. Only Ferrari have more, with 70, though they haven’t locked out the front row since the 2008 French Grand Prix.

Red Bull failed to score for the first time since the 2010 Korean Grand Prix, ending their 33-race streak of points finishes.

Alonso’s 80th podium puts him on a par with Ayrton Senna. Alonso took 189 races to reach 80 podiums whereas Senna made 161 career starts. They are tied in third place for most podiums behind Michael Schumacher (155) and Alain Prost (106).

Alonso has finished on the podium in all three of the Italian Grands Prix he has started for Ferrari.

The first-lap crash at Spa brought Alonso’s streak of consecutive points finishes to an end. Kimi Raikkonen is now the leading driver in terms of successive points scores, having racked up ten in a row since the Bahrain Grand Prix.

Alonso was out-qualified by Felipe Massa for the first time this year – indeed, the first time since last year’s Korean Grand Prix.

Narain Karthikeyan also out-qualified Pedro de la Rosa for the first time this year. Karthikeyan hadn’t out-qualified a team mate since the 2005 Chinese Grand Prix, though to be fair he did not race from 2006-2010 or during half of 2011.

Sebastian Vettel was classified in last place for the first time since the 2008 Turkish Grand Prix.

In another parallel with 2008 a Ferrari-engined car led at Monza but not in a Ferrari chassis. This time it was Sergio Perez’s Sauber – on the previous occasion it was Vettel’s Toro Rosso, which went on to win.

No Italian in the Italian Grand Prix

Davide Valsecchi, GP2, Monza, 2012There was no Italian driver on the grid for the Italian Grand Prix for the first time since 1969.

Only 15 drivers started the 1969 race, representing eight nations: Austria, New Zealand, Britain, France, Australia, Switzerland, Mexico and Belgium. Italian Ernesto Brambilla (brother of 1975 Austrian Grand Prix winner Vittorio) was entered in a Ferrari but failed to qualify.

This year there wasn’t even an Italian driver participating in free practice, however Ma Qing Hua became the first Chinese driver to participate in an official F1 weekend with HRT. I wonder whether in years to come we’ll look back on that as a sign of the changing times.

Will Italy have a driver in F1 again soon? Davide Valsecchi moved back into the lead of the GP2 championship over the weekend.

However the only two drivers in GP2’s seven-year history to finish in the top two places and not gain a place in F1 were the two Italians who did so: Giorgio Pantano (2008 champion) and Luca Filippi (2011 runner-up, who won the feature race on his return to the category on Saturday).

Pedro de la Rosa’s 97th start

“Making it to 100 Grands Prix is something very special,” said Pedro de la Rosa ahead of the race. But had he really hit a century?

This was in fact de la Rosa’s 112th participation in an F1 race weekend. However that includes 12 drives for McLaren in free practice only during the 2005 season.

Furthermore de la Rosa also did not officially start the 2000 Monaco Grand Prix or the 2010 Malaysian Grand Prix. In the former the original start was aborted and de la Rosa did not start the new race due to damage. And his car broke down on the way to the grid at Sepang two years ago.

And on top of that he failed to qualify at Melbourne this year. So while we can call this the 100th race that de la Rosa was entered for with the intention of starting it, it was in fact only his 97th Grand Prix start.

His F1 career has been spread across 14 years. De la Rosa made his debut with Arrows in the 1999 Australian Grand Prix:

And finally…

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Monza, 2012Vettel might not have had much to celebrate at Monza but he did mark one milestone with 50 tally marks on top of his helmet.

What was he commemorating? Why, his fiftieth different helmet design, of course…

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138 comments on Alonso equals Senna’s tally of 80 podiums

  1. Read this somwhere else, but Grosjean took out all three podium finishers in Spa last week.

    In the order they finished yesterday ;)

    • James (@jamesf1) said on 10th September 2012, 11:44

      I noticed that yesterday (didnt read it, just saw it for myself). I’d call that poetic justice, as I’m sure all three would have in all likeliness been in the points in Spa.

    • ScuderiaVincero (@scuderiavincero) said on 10th September 2012, 12:56

      @ral How did I not notice that? I must be getting on..

    • paulgilb (@paulgilb) said on 10th September 2012, 19:11

      The last time that none of the podium finishers finished the previous race appears to have been Spain 2001 (M Schumacher, Montoya, and Villeneuve all failed to finish the previous race in San Marino). The last time that the podium finishers all failed to score in the previous race appears to be Bahrain 2010 (Alonso, Massa, Hamilton all failed to score in Abu Dhabi 2009 – Massa didn’t even race). Restricting it to pairs of races in the same season gives Britain 2008 (Hamilton, Heidfeld, Barrichello all failed to score in France).

      A couple of other races that come close:

      Italy 2010 – Alonso, Button & Vettel finished 1st, 2nd, 4th having all non-scored in Belgium.
      Germany 2010 – Ferrari 1-2 despite no-score in Britain (and Vettel only 7th).

      However, not only did Hamilton, Perez and Alonso all fail to finish in Belgium, they also completed a total of 0 laps between them. This could well be a first!

  2. I bet Alonso would love to be on eighty pole positions!

  3. 50 helmets?? thats madness.

    • the_sigman (@sigman1998) said on 10th September 2012, 11:42

      Ι agree! 50 helmets in 94 races (1 helmet per just less than 2 races)

      • xeroxpt (@) said on 10th September 2012, 22:56

        That sounds expensive, i’m sure the guys on Toro Rosso can’t afford that, now it’s understandable why he has so many helmets.

    • Yes, truly — it’s a number that keeps me awake at night. When will this madness end??

      • Jayfreese (@) said on 10th September 2012, 12:40

        As drivers can keep their helmets back home, Vettel will have more and more helmets. Just imagine the collection he’ll get when hie’ll retire!

    • It’s quite a sad statistic, really.

      • I agree, it seems somewhat attention seeking. Saying that all the Red Bull and Toro Rosso drivers have somewhat homogenised and boring helmets because of all the advertising so I guess he does it to stand out.

        Personally I miss the old days where a driver had one helmet that was really identifiable to him, in the 80’s and 90’s there were some real classic ones like Alesi, Berger, Schumacher in his Benetton and early Ferrari years, Hill, Hakkinen, Prost and of course Senna. Nowadays there’s only really Hamilton, Button (who basically ripped off Mansell) and Massa’s designs which stand out for me. Schumacher’s stands out as well I guess but I definitely prefer the one he used before Barrichello joined Ferrari.

    • xjr15jaaag (@xjr15jaaag) said on 10th September 2012, 16:29

      It’s just a bit of fun; as long as he (or Red Bull) are happy with it, and can afford it, what’s the problem?and anyway, it’s giving Arai extra custom, which can only be a good thing.

      • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 10th September 2012, 20:51

        I’m with you on this, I don’t think it’s sad or attention seeking, just a bit of fun! Personally I enjoy the helmet changes, he’s had some great designs.

        • Michael Brown (@) said on 10th September 2012, 21:52

          Because it’s Vettel, he gets more hate for it

          • TribalTalker (@tribaltalker) said on 11th September 2012, 11:30

            Yes – strange isn’t it? He’s such a nice, bright guy off track, great language skills, sense of fun… Yet on track, he’s different. Not a Maldonado, for sure, but maybe a bit too Schumacher.

            Maybe that’s just my pro-McLaren bias.

        • I enjoy them, too. And I enjoy how much they annoy people almost as much. ;-)

          • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 10th September 2012, 22:19

            Haha! True! I find it funny some people think that having so many designs means he’s vain, egotistical or immature! It’s only a helmet design!

          • It’s because everything he does is interpreted that way. Like extending “the finger”! And walking! And breathing! (Have you ever noticed the specific way he inhales? Soooooo annoying and arrogant! Like he thinks he totally deserves the oxygen and always knew he was going to get it.)

          • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 10th September 2012, 23:07

            Oh don’t get me started on his breathing! Have you seen how he smiles when he’s being interviewed? Like he’s so much smarter than everyone else their questions amuse him for being so simple? What a brat! And then he’s all polite and funny and engaging. I know what he’s really like!

    • plushpile (@plushpile) said on 11th September 2012, 11:09

      We’re just lucky Webber uses a consistent helmet so we know the non-Webber RB is Vettel.

      Imagine if they both changed designs so frequently!

  4. Architrion (@architrion) said on 10th September 2012, 10:56

    Alonso was out-qualified by Felipe Massa for the first time this year – indeed, the first time since last year’s Korean Grand Prix

    Was he? It seems I can’t get the right meaning of “out-qualified”. It happened the car didn’t serve Alonso a real q3 laptime, therefore, there wasn’t any real competition between Massa and Alonso.

  5. Mentioned it somewhere else but I guess it’s more appropriate here.

    It’s the first time Sauber, as a team, break the 100 points barrier. Except for the BMW era, of course. :)

  6. 20 career wins for Hamilton now! I know its been said a few times in the last few years but I do think this really is a golden age of F1. In 20-30 years time people will remember Hamilton, Alonso & Vettel among the all time greats, I’ve got no doubt about it. Its easy to look back with the rose tinted glasses on and say these drivers dont match up with Senna, Prost, Mansell, Stewart etc but The stats are starting to speak for themselves. Since the 80s the championship has generally consisted of 16-20 grand prix and all them 3 drivers are pushing their way into the top 10s of various records. Alonso probably has an other 5 years left in him while Hamilton & Vettel have at least 10 probably! going to be great being a spectator!

    • Vettel could have another 10 years, but Hamilton…….

    • Optimaximal (@optimaximal) said on 10th September 2012, 12:20

      You can argue that the average F1 career is longer these days, dependent on finances and talent, of course.

      • I suppose yeah, if you compare say the 70s drivers then I’d agree. But generally from the 80s drivers (who managed to stay in F1 – So the better drivers) were having careers of 10 years and more. Whats tended to happen in the last 10 years is drivers are starting their careers much younger, but not many drivers race into their 40’s (Schumacher the obvious exception)

        Either way my point was that these drivers are certainly comparable to the greats of the past on a purely statistical point of view at least.

        • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 10th September 2012, 21:18

          I agree that we are living in a golden age of F1, regardless of the statistics! However I’ve been thinking about why and how Hamilton and Vettel especially are working their way up the all time leaderboards in terms of poles,podiums and wins. There is some slight inflation going on in my view.
          This is cause by a number of factors that you and others have mentioned but include things such as the increased reliability of the cars, the stability in performance of the top teams over the past few years, and that Vettel and Hamilton have been in machinery to win consistently from very early in their careers.
          This is coupled with an increased Championship. When I started watching around 16 races was the norm, now it’s going to be 20+ GP’s a year. Those extra few all add up over a career that could span 15 years. Taken all together it’s no wonder that should Vettel and Hamilton continue as the have been going they will pass Mansell’s tally of 31 in the not too distant future. I can easily see both those drivers going ahead of Prost before they retire. Alonso could as well, but I think it unlikely.

    • xjr15jaaag (@xjr15jaaag) said on 10th September 2012, 16:30

      Thy will be ranked alongside the all-time greats, but in my opinion, none of them (with the possible exception of vettel) can conjure Clark-like levels of domination.

    • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 10th September 2012, 20:36

      @aledinho Absolutely. The perfect way to come out of the early 21st century Ferrari domination. We are truly blessed with all this talent :D

      • Adam Tate (@adam-tate) said on 10th September 2012, 22:33

        It will easily be looked back upon as a Golden era.

        We have Schumacher: 91 wins
        Alonso: 30 wins
        Vettel: 22 wins
        Hamilton: 20 wins
        Raikkonen: 18 wins
        Button: 14 wins
        Massa: 11 wins
        Webber: 9 wins

        Other than Hamilton and Vettel who have only been at it for a handful of years, all the other drivers on the list have been in F1 for a decade or more now. And between them have dominated the sport. Sure Mansell had 31, Senna 41 and Prost 51, but they didn’t have the same parity among cars as the modern field nor did they have as many high level drivers to compete against.

        To have 6 World Champions on the grid is one thing, but to have 8 drivers who have at least 9 wins apiece to their name is even more impressive.

  7. Do we have 2 Giorgio Pantano ? Pantano raced for Jordan in 2004…….

  8. ogogogg said on 10th September 2012, 11:20

    Bit of a silly stat but this is the 4th race where a car has had at least 1 wheel in the air….Petrovs wheelie, Hamiltons pit stop, Spa`s chaos and Vernge crash/wheelie.

  9. GeoCucc (@geocucc) said on 10th September 2012, 11:31

    On Saturday the guys at SkySports mentioned that now McLaren has the most front row lockouts, overtaking Williams in this stat. Later Martin Whitmarsh also mentioned as “he was just told”, that McLaren took the lead in this rankings.
    I was curious and a bit sceptical about this, so i checked the stats, and that indeed says like above in the article, so the order is Ferrari (70), McLaren (62) and Williams (61). But yes, it was about one-twos on the grid, not front row lockouts. And it’s not the same, as you probably know, because until (I think) 1973 sometimes there were different grids, with three or four cars per row. I didn’t find any statistics about is, so I tried to count it by myself. So in this respect, McLaren and Williams have now 61 front row lockouts each, while Ferrari has only 55, because many of their one-twos came at the early ages, when sometimes there were a third or a fourth car in the front row from another team. However, they also scored some one-two-three, and one-two-three-four grid positions.

  10. Nick.UK (@) said on 10th September 2012, 11:42

    I thought Vettel only changed his helmet when he won with it. Clearly his 2012 ‘dry spell’ has mad him change up, which in my opinion totally deminishes the helmets. I could understand him changing after a win, they could become exclusive collectors items. Now, it’s like who cars who owns that helmet, he didn’t win with it.

  11. andae23 (@andae23) said on 10th September 2012, 11:47

    This is what I noticed:

    – Just for the record: this was Michael Schumacher’s actual 300th GP, as he didn’t start the 1996 French GP.

    – Third place in qualifying was Felipe Massa’s best result since the 2011 Canadian GP, where he also qualified third. In the meantime, Fernando Alonso started in the top 3 on seven occasions.

    – This was Lewis Hamilton’s first victory at Monza, which means he has now won at 15 different venues. This ranks him 7th in the all-time list, tied with Niki Lauda and Damon Hill. With 23 different circuits, Michael Schumacher (of course) heads this list.

    – The same three drivers stood on the podium as in Malaysia, in reversed order. That´s the first time this happened this season.

    – For Fernando Alonso this is the 50th time he leads the World Championship.

    – After being the first team this season to win two races back to back last week, McLaren now becomes the first team to win three races in a row. The last time a team won three races in a row was Red Bull (read: Vettel) : the 2011 Belgian, Italian and Singapore GPs.

    – Kimi Räikkönen is now third in the championship: the last time he was in third was after the 2008 season finale at Interlagos. His last non-finish was the 2009 German GP, which means he now has a finishing streak of 21 races, which ranks his streak 7th in the all-time list. Chart leader Nick Heidfeld finished 33 races in a row between 2007 and 2009. Nico Rosberg also has a streak of 19 consecutive finishes since the 2011 Singapore GP.

    – Though finishing in a disappointing 13th place, this was actually JĂ©rĂ´me d’Ambrosio’s best classification of his career.

    – The last time both Red Bulls retired was at the inaugural Korean GP in 2010, 33 races ago. The team has scored points in all of these races, which ranks this streak seventh. McLaren and Ferrari have scored points in the last 51 and 41 races respectively. Just five more point scoring races for McLaren, and they will break Ferrari’s record (1999-2003).

    – Car numbers 1, 2 and 3 (Vettel, Webber and Button) all failed to score points. The last time this happened was the 2009 Abu Dhabi GP, where car numbers 1 to 5 (Hamilton, Kovalainen, Fisichella, Räikkönen and Kubica) all failed to score a point.

    – For the fifth time this season, the winner of the previous race didn’t manage to score a point: Button in Malaysia, Maldonado in Monaco, Hamilton in Valencia, Hamilton at Spa and now Button at Monza. This is very unusual, as it didn’t occur once last year. The last time a win was followed by a no-point score this often was in the 2005 season (seven times): Fisichella in Malaysia, Raikkonen at the Ring and Indianapolis (DNS), Alonso in Canada and Hungary, Montoya at Spa and Suzuka.

  12. Andrew81 (@andrew81) said on 10th September 2012, 12:57

    There is no Red Bull driver in the top three of the championship. This last happened after China this year and previously after China 2010.

    Red Bull’s lead in the WCC has been reduced to its lowest level since Spain, currently at 29 points.

    It is the first time since 1982 that no driver has won more than three races, thirteen races into the season. In 1987 and 2007 it took until the thirteenth race.

    Schumacher topped a practice session for the first time since China.

    McLaren missed out on a one-two finish. There has still been no one-two finish this season. If this continues to the end of the season, it will be the first time since 1977.

    The race was won from pole for the fourth time in a row, the second such streak this year (the other was China-Monaco). The last five-race streak was Hungary-Japan 2007.

    The podium has not been made up of the top three on the grid at any race this year. If this continues for the rest of the season it will be the first time since 2005.

    No driver has won consecutive races this year. If this continues for the rest of the season it will be the first time since 1974. The only other seasons this occurred were 1961 and 1958.

  13. sato113 (@sato113) said on 10th September 2012, 13:15

    @keithcollantine
    In 2012, each Mclaren driver has failed to score at the race after a win in the previous round.
    By this method, Hamilton will not score in Singapore.

  14. Dimitris 1395 (@dimitris-1395) said on 10th September 2012, 13:28

    4th consecutive Italian grand prix with more than 5 retirements and 5th in 6 years where a McLaren retires

  15. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 10th September 2012, 14:04

    Will Italy have a driver in F1 again soon? Davide Valsecchi moved back into the lead of the GP2 championship over the weekend.

    Valsecchi is in his fifth season of GP2. He’s only really competitive because the talent pool is pretty shallow this year. I don’t expect him to make it to Formula 1 any time soon, and if he does, I don’t expect him to last long.

    I think Itay’s best chance at getting a driver who can be successful is Raffale Marciello, who drives for the Prema Powerteam in Formula 3.

    • andae23 (@andae23) said on 10th September 2012, 14:17

      Valsecchi is in his fifth season of GP2. He’s only really competitive because the talent pool is pretty shallow this year. I don’t expect him to make it to Formula 1 any time soon, and if he does, I don’t expect him to last long.

      When Maldo became GP2 champion two years ago, he was also one of the most experienced guys on the grid. Not to mention that so far all GP2 champions promoted to F1 later on.

    • Le samourai?

    • Denis 68 said on 14th September 2012, 10:56

      The talent pool is what it is. You can only beat who is there.

      After the 2011 GP2 season a number of drivers left the series due to the fear of failure factor. What I mean is they feared if they stayed another season in GP2 and failed to win the series their motor racing careers would be over (eg Bianchi, Bird etc). Davide Valsecchi does not fear failure.

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