Vettel wins in Singapore as Hamilton drops out

2012 Singapore Grand Prix review

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Singapore, 2012Sebastian Vettel won the Singapore Grand Prix for a second year running after a gruelling race which ran to the two-hour time limit.

The race fell into Vettel’s hands after Lewis Hamilton retired from the lead before half-distance with a gearbox problem.

Jenson Button salvaged second place for McLaren while Fernando Alonso achieved his pre-race target of finishing on the podium to limit the damage done to his championship lead.

Maldonado loses ground at start

Hamilton held onto his lead at the start but Pastor Maldonado lost his grip on second place. He went slightly too deep at turn one and Vettel pounced, claiming the place from him. Button followed him past.

Alonso made an unusually poor getaway and was beaten off the line by Paul di Resta. But the Ferrari driver got back down the inside at turn five to take fifth place back.

Behind them several drivers went across the run-off at turn one, but the stewards decided all had returned to the track without gaining an unfair advantage.

The opening laps were a cagey affair, the front-runners not wanting to take too much life out of the super-soft tyres which they had already qualified on.

Webber was the first to pit on lap nine. The next time around Vettel lost half a second in the middle sector and he also dived into the pits.

Alonso came in next and two laps after that Hamilton pitted from the lead. He emerged ahead of Raikkonen, who was yet to stop, and who was easily passed by Vettel in the DRS zone.

Button eked his tyres out a little longer, pitting on lap 15, and returned to the track behind Vettel.

Some of the early stoppers found themselves having to pick their way past those who were yet to come in. Maldonado had a dramatic moment, catching a slide as he went past Hulkenberg with his DRS open. Alonso also took the Force India.

Hamilton loses the race

Moment later Maldonado and Alonso gained another place without having to do any overtaking. Hamilton had been on the radio to complain about problems with the upshift on his McLaren and on lap 23 it stopped changing gears entirely.

He repeatedly pulled on his right-hand gear lever then thumped the steering wheel in frustration as he coasted to a stop in the turn five run-off. In five races he’s had two wins and three no-scores, the latter down to a puncture, a first-lap collision, and now a gearbox problem.

“He was looking after things and keeping it in control,” said a disappointed Martin Whitmarsh afterwards, who added that the problem had only become apparent during the race.

He discounted the possibility of the problem having been caused by Hamilton’s contact with the wall during qualifying: “Lewis brushed the wall but it was very light. So I don’t think it’s something that came from that.”

Alonso attacks Maldonado

Vettel now took up the lead with Button close behind and Maldonado eyeing a shot at a podium finish. But the Williams driver had to withstand some serious pressure from Alonso.

They made their second pit stops together and returned to the track in the same order. Once more the pair found themselves in traffic, forming a queue headed by Nico Rosberg and Romain Grosjean.

As Maldonado explored the rear of Grosjean’s Lotus, Alonso resisted the temptation to unload his KERS in the DRS zone. He emptied it as they came out of turn 13 instead and got alongside the Williams on the outside of the following corner.

Maldonado defended his position firmly and Alonso, reluctant to risk too much with a championship at stake, wisely gave best to the Williams.

Safety car changes the race

In a near-repeat of last year’s Grand Prix, a safety car intervention at around half-distance changed the complexion of the race. Narain Karthikeyan, struggling with his HRT’s brakes, hit the wall at turn 18.

Vettel and Button were into the pits immediately to make their second and final pit stops. A string of other cars took the opportunity to pit including Raikkonen, Di Resta, Rosberg, Grosjean and Maldonado.

The latter sacrificed his third place to switch to soft tyres to ensure he reached the end of the race without a further stop. But it all became academic moments later as the team told him his hydraulics had failed and he had to retire.

The first safety car period dragged on as three cars were sent around to unlap themselves. And the restart didn’t last very long – Michael Schumacher ploughed into the back of Jean-Eric Vergne at turn 14, putting both out.

Button had a near-miss at the end of the first safety car period as he nearly ran into the back of Vettel. He was quickly on the radio to complain about Vettel’s driving and the stewards will investigate the incident after the race.

Midfield mayhem after restarts

The second restart went smoothly – Vettel pulled clear of Button and Alonso, the Ferrari driver now up to third. Di Resta appeared behind him in fourth and was briefly able to use DRS to attack the Ferrari, only to drop back.

Grosjean was running in sixth in front of Raikkonen, but was instructed by his team to let his team mate by and duly surrendered the position. Raikkonen was unable to do anything about Rosberg ahead and complained afterwards that the race had been “boring”, adding: “you cannot overtake”.

Neither of those was true about the action behind him, as the drivers who had pitted under the safety car used their fresher tyres to attack.

Felipe Massa, who dropped back early on with a puncture, had a dramatic moment as he tried to squeeze past Bruno Senna on the approach to turn 13. The pair made contact and massa’s car briefly got away from him, but he gathered it up and made it into the corner, claiming the place.

Also in the wars was Nico Hulkenberg, who managed to make contact with both Sauber drivers, starting with Sergio Perez. Then, as Mark Webber passed Kamui Kobayashi, Hulkenberg clipped the other Sauber, breaking Kobayashi’s front wing and picking up a puncture himself.

Webber went on to pass Senna and spent the final laps trying to find a way past fellow Australia and Red Bull employee Daniel Ricciardo – the Toro Rosso driver holding him off until the flag.

The spate of midfield collisions played into the hands of Marussia’s Timo Glock, elevating him to 13th place. That became 12th when Senna retired in the dying moments of the race, and the crucial extra position moves Marussia back into tenth in the constructors’ championship, ahead of Caterham.

Senna’s engineer was quick to warn him of the potential danger from his car: “Jump out of the car,” he said. “It could be a KERS problem. Do not touch the ground at the same time. The car is unsafe.”

Vettel dedicates win to Watkins

The lengthy safety car interruptions meant there was only time for 59 of the scheduled 61 laps before the two-hour time limit expired. Vettel was never seriously threatened by Button in the closing stages and his car didn’t let him down as he finally clinched his second win of the year.

On his slowing-down lap he dedicated the win to Professor Sid Watkins, who died last week and in whose honour a minute of silence was observed before the race started.

Button claimed second ahead of Alonso, who made good on his pre-race aims of finishing on the podium and taking points off the driver who had been closest to him in the championship: Hamilton. But Vettel has cut his points lead to 29 points with six races remaining.

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100 comments on Vettel wins in Singapore as Hamilton drops out

  1. carbon_fibre (@carbon_fibre) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:08

    I still can’t get out of my head Massa’s overtake on Senna…
    Also, does anybody know how much time Massa lost to
    Hamilton after the puncture and his first pit stop?

    • SammyF1 said on 23rd September 2012, 18:24

      78 Seconds or so.. and at some point of time, 88.5 seconds behind .. As I can remember.. He managed 25 laps on super soft at the end !!

    • Carlitox (@carlitox) said on 23rd September 2012, 19:45

      Massa’s move was barely legal, but Senna’s defense was way too agressive. Could’ve been much worse for both.

    • Chalky (@chalky) said on 24th September 2012, 8:19

      I didn’t think Senna did anything wrong when I watched it.
      My only concern was did Massa go off the track at the chicane. I had to watch it back a few times to spot that Massa was inside the track. Massa sure does run that corner close with his track side wheels just on the track. In the end it was great driving by Massa to make the pass available and hold onto the car afterwards.
      I was wondering if that’s what Williams were concerned about on the move. Did Massa cut the chicane? I guess the stewards only needed to check a couple of camera angles that we are not privileged to see to work that out.
      Also, that was probably the first attempted pass across that bridge too. The giant turtle humps at turn 10 were supposed to prevent side by side action across that bridge to protect it.

  2. Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:09

    First time in his career he’s actually benefited of a retirement from a car in front of him to win rather than being the victim as he’s been countless times.

    • Valentino (@valentino) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:26

      Poor him, always the victim.

    • Kodongo (@kodongo) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:37

      That’s not true at all. In fact, it’s not even the first night race where he has inherited a victory from LH. In 2009, Lewis Hamilton retired from a commanding lead in the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix leaving Sebastien Vettel to win. However, Sebastien returned the favour (not the best phrase) in 2011, by having a car failure after turn 1 of Abu Dhabi where Lewis went on to win.

    • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 23rd September 2012, 18:13

      First time in his career he’s actually benefited of a retirement from a car in front of him to win

      it’s just because he was the first time ready to capitalize, if he didn’t passed Pastor in the first corner who knows …….

      being the victim as he’s been countless times

      that’s was the result of his team taking too much risks in designing his car

      • Anonymouse said on 23rd September 2012, 19:02

        that’s was the result of his team taking too much risks in designing his car

        Load of horse manure – does it mean the RedBull in this race didn’t have any design related risks. All designers take a certain degree of risk in designing a car. Even a barbie doll design will involve some risk

    • Jay Menon (@jaymenon10) said on 24th September 2012, 2:03

      @kingshark

      haha..I sense a tone of sarcasm. But anyways, for argument’s sake, if Lewis had continued, do you reckon he would have won the race? Based on the pace Vettel had at the end of the race, he seemed to have taken care of his softs extremely well, and was pulling away from Button significantly. I think it would have been a classic duel at the end, if Lewis continued…and it wouldnt have surprised me if Seb had won passing Lewis..

  3. James_mc (@james_mc) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:23

    Terrible mis-judgement by Schumacher. He can bleat all he likes about the drivers ahead breaking earlier than usual, but it looked awfully like he was going to go past the corner anyway….

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:50

      @james_mc And he’s been given a ten-place penalty:

      Ten-place grid penalty for Schumacher at Suzuka

    • vjanik said on 24th September 2012, 9:13

      In his defense he wasn’t putting the blame on the guys in front of him. in the interview he says that HE was breaking a little bit earlier than usual, but the car didn’t slow down as he expected so he slammed on the breaks even harder locking up. We can argue about whether there was a car problem or not, but Schumacher was certainly not putting the blame on Vergne. The stewards have access to GPS and would be able to know if he did in fact brake earlier than usual. Judging by the fact that he got a penalty i doubt it though. Personlay i thgink that he didnt do a good enough job of keeping the heat in his brakes and tyres during the safety car period, and was surprised by the lack of declaration when he pushed the break pedal. having said that, please dont put words in his mouth about blaming the cars ahead.

  4. Joao Pitol (@dantheman) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:25

    Vettel and Button is under investigation by the stewards:

    http://en.espnf1.com/singapore/motorsport/story/89734.html

  5. damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:36

    The race went for 2 hours, so you’d expect there to be a few lulls, but nope! The write-up reflects just how much actually happened. My poor fingernails…

  6. PJ (@pjtierney) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:37

    I actually feel a little sad for Maldonado.

    Over the past 2 races he’s actually been doing quite well, keeping himself out of trouble and putting in good enough pace. I felt he should have deserved some points for his performance this weekend, but alas.

    • Jay Menon (@jaymenon10) said on 24th September 2012, 1:54

      @pjtierney

      Agreed. I thought Pastor was going really well yesterday. His duel with Alonso was a classic, tough but very fair. I mean, this guys has all the qualities to become a top driver, but the problem being, he only manages to pull it all together once every few races.

      He seems to have improved lately, hopefully he keeps it up…I’ve always had a soft spot for Williams and I would love for them to win another race this year.

  7. xjr15jaaag (@xjr15jaaag) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:42

    Now, I think that only Vettel and Alonso have a realistic shot at the ttle, and I personally think Vettel will win it; he only needs to outscore Fernando by about 5 points per weekend, which is doable

    • You should wait a couple of race before saying so. Mclaren’s pace would go nowhere and there’s no guarantee Vettel would always finish ahead of Alonso. Yes, Alonso has inferior machine but you know, he has had all over the season and still leading the championship. It seems not easy for Hamilton to win the title but he still can win against others in some races with that car which is able to ruin Vettel’s campaign.

      • xjr15jaaag (@xjr15jaaag) said on 23rd September 2012, 18:11

        But JB needs to make up 3 races, and judging Ferraris reliablility throughut the season, Fernando is unlikely to retire in the next few races, and Hamilton needs to make up 50 points or so, which isn’t realistic.
        Kimi has got to make up about 45 points (ish) and that’s not really that realistic.
        Vettel learly has the best chance to overhaul Alonso, particurlarly in Japan; Vettel loves Suzuka

        • @xjr15jaaag and he lost to Button and Alonso there last year when he had the fastest car for such circuit. I know Vettel loves Suzuka but that’s it. If RB8 is not the clear best there, I won’t assume he would win easily.

          • Guilherme (@guilherme) said on 23rd September 2012, 19:04

            @eggry Except that he didn’t have the fastest car. The McLaren was so much better. Button only lost pole by 9 thousandths of a second and we all know that the RB7 forte was qualifying. Plus he was more worried about finishing and sealing the title than fighting Alonso.

            Anyway, I believe Alonso doesn’t have the car to beat Vettel next race, but I can see it being a McLaren walk in the park.

    • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 23rd September 2012, 18:39

      he only needs to outscore Fernando by about 5 points per weekend, which is doable

      it’s too early to say that it will be a fight between Alonso & Vettel because they simply don’t have the fastest car,hamilton still have a chance to win the WDC who knows in F1 anything can happen & it usually does

      the only way to outscore Fernando (considering his consistency & his car’s reliability) by at least 5 pts is to score wins i can’t see Fernando finishing outside of the top 5 in the remaining races (of course in normal conditions)

      so Vettel has to beat Hamilton,Button,& Alonso in the remaining 6 races with the 2nd or 3rd fastest car (depending on the circuit) without ignoring reliability i think that’s a quite a difficult job

    • AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 24th September 2012, 21:07

      @xjr15jaaag Hamilton is still in with a chance The MP4-27 is still I believe the form car on the grid.

  8. JamieFranklinF1 (@jamiefranklinf1) said on 23rd September 2012, 17:53

    “Vettel and Button were into the pits immediately to make their third and final pit stops” – They only made 2 stops during the race (as did most others)

  9. Martin Whitmarsh does not seem very definitive/certain:
    “He discounted the possibility of the problem having been caused by Hamilton’s contact with the wall during qualifying: “Lewis brushed the wall but it was very light. So I don’t think it’s something that came from that.”
    He doesn’t say that they know definitely that the brush with the wall was not the initiator of the problem. It will be interesting to see what they find to be the cause.

  10. AdrianMorse (@adrianmorse) said on 23rd September 2012, 18:28

    In five races he’s had two wins and three no-scores, the latter down to a puncture, a first-lap collision, and now a gearbox problem.

    Cruel luck for Hamilton not just for losing a potential win but also for having all this bad luck in a season where his car finally has the speed again to challenge for the title.

    The safety car spoiled the race at the front for me. Would Alonso have gone for three stops, would Button have been able to make any use of his 6-lap tyre advantage over Vettel (probably not, given their final stints, but still)? I’m glad Ricciardo was able to score some points again today, especially after his appalling luck in Monza.

    As for the other Aussie, Webber hasn’t had a good qualifying (Spa was Ok) or race since Silverstone. The 2012 season looks to be something of a reversal from the 2011 for Webber: he’s had a good start to the season this time around, but the second half is very disappointing so far.

  11. William Brierty said on 23rd September 2012, 18:30

    Well done, Fernando, you are the 2012 champion. The only man that had the pace and the car ended his challenge today, OK, the points gap between 1st and 2nd is less, but a) Vettel doesn’t have the car and b) Vettel vs Alonso is a fall-gone conclusion, Hamilton vs Alonso isn’t. Before today the 2012 world championship was an excellent and probably close one-on-one duel between Hamilton and Alonso, but now the championship is Alonso’s. And I know you’re thinking I am underestimating Vettel and Red Bull, but that wasn’t pace for Red Bull at Singapore, it was the effects of the McLaren, which prefers fast corners, being on a track with only one. However most corners at Suzuka and Korea are fast, so expect McLaren to dominate, which will, again, play into the hands of Alonso, and bring him yet closer to the title, which he already has one hand on.

    • Jake (@jleigh) said on 23rd September 2012, 19:18

      Hamilton needs to outscore Alonso by about 10 points per race. Whilst difficult, the form he’s showed recently means it’s not impossible, especially with Button able to back up Hamilton.

      One more DNF or weekend earning less points than Alonso though, and you would have to say it’s all over for Hamilton, which is a real shame as he hasn’t put a foot wrong in the car this season, being almost unbelievably unlucky. He’s lost at least 40 points in the last 5 races alone, not to mention the 50 odd he lost earlier in the season with team gaffes.

      • To be honest… I think Lewis has been driving great, but he wasn’t all that stellar at the start of the season. He took poles at the beginning of the season, but didn’t convert them to victories. He struggled with the tyres while Jenson managed fine. In my books, if he lost out to Jenson, means he wasn’t at the top of his game.

        But I do agree that he had some serious bad luck

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 23rd September 2012, 20:28

      Vettel vs Alonso is a fall-gone conclusion

      Nothing is a “fall-gone” conclusion in F1. Nothing is a foregone conclusion in F1 either.

      • William Brierty said on 23rd September 2012, 21:04

        Yeah, sorry about the spelling, but in the past, such as Germany ’12, Britain ’11, Singapore ’10 and Germany ’10, Alonso just looks like he has Vettel covered in the race, almost as if Vettel’s a bit easy for him. It’s only really Hamilton, and maybe sometimes Button (when he has the “balance”) that brings sweat to the brow of Alonso. If its on Alonso’s terms, i.e. not a poor team decision or a car failure, the championship is now Alonso’s, which he fully deserves.

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 23rd September 2012, 21:25

          There have been times where the opposite has been true, including today, Italy ’11 and Brazil ’10 (and Korea ’10, Bahrain ’10, Valencia ’12). I also doubt Alonso has ever seen Button as more of a threat generally than Vettel.

          Nevertheless, with a 29 point margin (and only 6 rounds left), his unbreakable consistency and with the close nature of the front runners, I agree that the title is Alonso’s to lose. And indeed, he would fully deserve his 3rd title.

          • artificial racer said on 24th September 2012, 8:16

            There’s no point speculating really because so much depends on who DNFs and when. I would bet serious money that Alonso and Vettel won’t both finish all the next races. Besides the usual randomness we have decent chances of wet races coming up.

            I would bet that McLaren will win a race or two making it tougher for Vettel to gain ground. Hamilton is still in there with a chance.

    • JerseyF1 (@jerseyf1) said on 23rd September 2012, 21:20

      This comment reminds me of those football matches where the losing team’s fans all desert the ground five minutes before the final whistle to avoid the moment of defeat and the post-match traffic and then their team scores two late goals for a famous win in front of a half-empty stadium. Plenty of championships have turned around more than the points differences we have at the moment, I think that the new points system is still fooling people – with arguably the three fastest cars in reverse order in the championship this is shaping up for a tight finish if the main contenders run to form over the next few races without car failures or other incident.

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 24th September 2012, 0:31

      I can still see Hamilton able to pull it back, but it feels like a bit of a stretch. He needs to win the next race, with Alonso, and preferably Vettel, off the podium. In that case, maybe he could finally get the momentum to start seriously cutting into the lead, as his form most of the season has kept suggesting he can do.

      At first glance, I would think it highly unlikely, but then I think that catching up 25 points to Vettel might not be too difficult if the McLaren stays on form. And I can also see Vettel catch Alonso easily. So if Hamilton can catch Vettel, and Vettel can catch Alonso, it stands to reason that Hamilton making up the difference to take the lead isn’t out of the question.

  12. Younger Hamii (@younger-hamii) said on 23rd September 2012, 18:40

    The only disappointment for Vettel this weekend was his qualifying position, other than that he’s looked exceptionally on the pace, particularly in practice & reminded me so much of 2011. My instincts on Friday when looking at pictures of the sessions on this site told me that he’ll win & ultimately, little did I know he did, pressurised Hamilton by quite a reasonable amount before inheriting a well-controlled victory after Hamilton’s retirement, which after didn’t look troubled one bit. A victory I say is fully deserved despite the inheritance. Looking at Vettel when he was at Parc Ferme celebrating, I didn’t see it as a ‘typical’ Vettel win, perhaps mainly due to his tributes to Sid Watkins & knowing he was enviable in inheriting the probable win of Hamilton’s.

    That Hamilton retirement is another question as to when we’re finally going to get some answers of the quality of arguably the best three drivers on the grid today in Alonso, Hamilton & Vettel, now we’re going to have to wait longer (God knows how long the battles will keep getting spoiled by extraneous variables, which we can’t control) for one of the three to beat the other relatively on merit because let’s be plausible, McLaren & Red Bull in Hamilton & Vettel respectively today, were pretty much matched on overall pace.

    Exceptional displays could be said the same for Hamilton (you can tell him and Vettel visibly were) this weekend as well prior to his retirement, was really strong throughout all parts of the weekend & personally would’ve went on to win today if it weren’t for his gearbox prematurely letting go given whatever pressure from his perspective he may have endured from Vettel, that was sustained. That elusive consistency of his is looking a real issue at the moment & I feel McLaren surprisingly looking reasonably unreliable is just partly why, which at the same time is hindering them in closing the gap to Red Bull in the WCC. Back to Lewis, in other words, this is really the time of the season where he’s going to need every single point he can get & by doing that he needs to start picking up podiums (2nd places ideally) that are not race wins, otherwise I see Alonso being out of reach if you ask me.

    Solid podium from Button this weekend though didn’t quite have the pace of the two in front but think he also lost out on a potential win with McLaren leaving him out late enough for his tyres to start going away at the end of the first stint, was in a clear position to come in for new primes & leapfrog Vettel (would’ve controlled the gap afterwards even with Hamilton’s retirement) & that opportunity was lost thanks to McLaren’s passiveness. Moreover, only closed the gap to Alonso slightly & the form he’s in currently doesn’t suggest to me that he’s a genuine title contender, for now at least because you never know anything can happen.

    Creditable mentions for Drivers of the Day/Weekend: Rosberg (Day), Glock (Weekend to some extent), Di Resta (Weekend)

  13. Cas (@kazaluna) said on 23rd September 2012, 18:41

    Did you guys know that the last time a dry race lasted the two hour limit was back in 1991? It was the United Stated Grand Prix and Ayrton Senna won!

  14. Younger Hamii (@younger-hamii) said on 23rd September 2012, 19:20

    Here’s an interesting stat. Hamilton has never won a race the BBC have broadcasted live. Canada, Hungary & Monza have all been exclusively shown live on Sky.

    So… that should make him early favourites for a win at Suzuka, also with his trend of Win-DNF-Win-DNF, it should emphasis it more.

  15. hamilz0rs said on 23rd September 2012, 19:51

    race disgraces:
    1) 60kmh limit in the pitlane.
    2) delta times for saving tires: i checked live timing and it didn’t make any sense in the first half of the race, lap times didn’t make any sense at all, even after pitstops.
    3) DRS.
    4) rule to unlap needs to be changed, the safety car was out for too long a time; lapped drivers should be go to the pitlane in the second lap the safety car is out and start from there once the pack has passed.

    • hamilz0rs said on 23rd September 2012, 20:04

      Keith i would LOVE to read an analysis of yours of the laptimes of this race and if you could give any reasons (for ex. why was hamilton so fast at the beginning and alonso so slow then after a few laps the situation is completely the opposite? Why is massa faster than anybody using tyres that are only 1 lap newer than everybody else’s? i might be answering myself, were those the tyres he didn’t use in q3? how come webber is able to post the fastest 1st sector in the lap in which he goes to pit, if they were good for that 1st sector they must be really good for another couple of laps right?)

      • My thoughts:
        Hamilton being fast at the beginning: He pulled a Vettel, opening a gap to avoid DRS and managing it.
        Alonso being slow: Usually he does that to save his tires to attack when the cars in front stop, but he was too far back here.
        Massa: Because newer tires are that much better.
        Webber: On the inlap, driver push to the limit to use up all the grip in the tires before the stop.

      • Toro Stevo (@toro-stevo) said on 23rd September 2012, 23:41

        On Massa’s tyres:
        He was on a fresh set of soft (not super soft) tyres, so he could push it where as all the other front runners were trying to extend their red set. He wasn’t impeded by the dirty air of the guys in front of him, unlike everybody except Hamilton. And for Hamilton and the other front runners, their tyres were not a lap older, they were a qualifying out lap, a qualifying lap, a qualifying in lap, 2 warm up laps and a race lap and a half older. So at least 3-4 real laps older, for a set of tyres that were only lasting 12-14 laps on full fuel while being nurtured.

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