Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Suzuka, 2012

Vettel reprimanded but keeps pole

2012 Japanese Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Suzuka, 2012Sebastian Vettel will keep his pole position for the Japanese Grand Prix after the stewards investigated him for holding up Fernando Alonso.

After three hours the stewards decided he had impeded the Ferrari at the chicane during Q3.

However they decided against awarding Vettel a grid penalty, instead handing him a reprimand.

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116 comments on “Vettel reprimanded but keeps pole”

  1. It´s Ironic that Vergne gets the penalty but SV doesn´t… Talk about inconsistency… doesn´t matter though… it´s obvious that Alonso will not win his 3rd WDC…. With actions like these, it´s obvious which way the wind is blowing….
    Totally unfair!

    1. Strange. This forum seems to be the most balanced fan forum for me in the past but recently things change a little bit in my opinion. More and more balanced will be coverd by biased. As soon as Vettel is in doubt of doing anything many people start blaming him for this and that, more than they do in other cases.
      In this case there is a video footage available and in my opinion it is clearly visible in that video that Vettel leaves the racing line as soon as Alonso appears. What else should he do? Slowing down at the inside of the track? Slowing down at outside of the track? What should he do? Keith, you are also complaining about his driving, where he should be on the track in this situation?

      1. @boomer650

        More and more balanced will be coverd by biased.

        Interested to hear what you think I’ve written in this article which is “biased”.

        Keith, you are also complaining about his driving

        No I’m not – I said (in this comment) that he was fortunate not to get a penalty.

        I said this because he was clearly on the racing line as Alonso approached him and it seems Alonso had to go-off line as a result. I expected the stewards to consider that impeding.

        And they did, yet chose not to give him a penalty, for reasons that were not stated. So I think he was fortunate not to get a penalty. At least until the stewards give us a bit more to go on.

        1. But he can’t just disappear, and when he saw Alonso, he stayed well away from him.

          1. I beg to differ @xjr15jaaag , Vettel kept the racing line and the thing is that, after viewing the video, Alonso might have braked just a tad earlier than he would have wanted to thus, impeding him in completing his hot lap.

            @boomer650 I also find it funny that you think that @keithcollantine wrote this article being biased against Vettel. He is, and I can vouch for this, pro Vettel. I think he was just being objective in this particular issue because Vettel was infact impeding…. “what could Vettel do?” Well, he could have accelerated into the runoff area instead of taking his jolly time to do it! So no i don´t think it was biased.

          2. @xjr15jaaag True, but that’s what the team radio is there for. There is an awful lot of chatter about track position and ensuring drivers don’t impede their rivals. And it must be said that having backed off himself, Vettel had to be aware that there might be drivers behind him still trying to set competitive times.

            @catracho504 Marvellous, another addition to the ‘list of people accusing me of being for/against drivers they dislike/like’. I have been variously accused of being for or against all the most successful drivers at one time or another…

        2. Agree. After writing my comment I ve been watching the sequence again and again and I agree that this overtaking manoeuvre could be handeled better than it did. Vettel could move to the left side of the track earlier than he did. Point.
          But if you want to start complaining about situations like that you should stop watching F1 since this could and would happen quite often as long as more than one driver is been on the track. Then we should start talking about downhill skiing for example.
          Agree that there are better ways to let Alonso pass but disagree to “fortunate not to get a penalty” since this isnt anyting Vettel really needs to penalysed for, he is still there and that is part of the game.

        3. Huge respect for you Keith.. I followed this site long enough to see you’re the most unbiased person on here… but it’s pretty obvious the majority of the USER base on this site is very anti-vettel. I mean you just have to look at some of the comments on the first page to notice it. DOTW voting confirm this as well. It’s a shame really…

          1. Huge respect for you Keith

            Thankyou :-)

            the majority of the USER base on this site is very anti-vettel

            I don’t agree. He’s the ninth most popular driver – granted, he could be higher, but it didn’t stop him being voted Driver of the Year last year.

  2. It looked like Vettel was dozing a bit to me (or his team hadn’t warned him of Alonso’s approach), but you cant really call it blocking, he was never physically in the way of Alonso.

    1. He did not need to slow down that much. His intention is clear.

    2. “Physically in the way”?!?!?

      You mean: He didn’t hit him, so it wasn’t blocking?

  3. Team told him by radio other way is 5000€ like Marussia, VET run out of track so had to slowdown to allow the pass, entering late to the chicane, in anyway more often than not VET gets involved in what supposed to be his “future team to be” and ALO blocking issues, but I guess luca don’t care if he has to choose between them, VET wins right away

  4. After watching the footage again (first saw it on BBC highlights program), I’d say that whilst Alonso probably brakes around the same point he normally would, Vettel’s presence compromises his line. This does affect the braking as he has to turn in slightly earlier. You can’t turn and brake hard at the same time (see the countless lock-ups at this corner as drivers attempt to trail brake into it), so turning in earlier means coming off the brakes earlier. This creates an overspeed into the apex. You can see Alonso turns in twice. I’d call that cadence braking, as in: brake, off brakes, turn, straighten, on brakes, off brakes, turn again. That’s not a quick way to drive a car. And the whole incident was avoidable.

    These things happen though. What is immeasurably more annoying is that it took three hours to get a decision, an inconsistent decision, and then no explanation from the stewards. Vettel and Alonso are doing their thing at 200mph+ and 5G braking, so a slip up here and there is to be expected. I expect the same level of performance from the organisers as I do the participants, and this does not demonstrate that.

    1. Very mature and well thought out comment.. respect!

  5. Fearrari, Ferrari International Assistance, the things will keep rolling on. I’m sure if Schumi’d done something like this he would have been handed a ban.

  6. I know that as a driver you must want to win every race, but as a fan, Sebastian Vettel is so dull to watch. Can’t he do a donut on track or fart in a post-race interview? Just ideas Seb.

    1. @formulaone789

      Can’t he do a donut on track

      You mean like he did at Suzuka last year?

    2. Errrr… I’d call Seb a lot of things (annoying among others), but “dull” certainly isn’t among them:

      He’s the one with the liveliest celebrations, and the funniest interviews.
      He’s the one calling his cars Kate’s Dirty Sister and Kinky Kylie.
      He’s was the one talking about being afraid of “magic buttons” with a big smile when the other cars had KERS behind him (and RB did not).

      All in all, he seems like the one who would be doing all the pranks in the office, if he had a “normal” job.


      1. If anyone is ‘Dull’ it would be Alonso.. that guys has ONE facial expression lol. But hey, he’s still an awesome racer! So is Vettel though..

        Also, you could call Kimi dull, but we all know he’s a legend. ;)

        1. I´m sorry but Alonso is not dull… he might seem that way in the press conferences and other interviews or even at the podium…. the thing is that he is a very competitive individual(he is a lot like kimi in the sense that he could care less about PR, he´s in it to race) and you should also take into consideration he is more mature (30 something years old) than most of the other “kids” on the grid… I guess he just tends to act his age…

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