Webber fumes at “first-lap nutcase” Grosjean

2012 Japanese Grand Prix

Romain Grosjean, Lotus, Suzuka, 2012An unhappy Mark Webber hit out at Romain Grosjean following their clash on the first lap of the Japanese Grand Prix.

“I haven’t obviously seen what happened at the start but the guys confirmed that it was first-lap nutcase again, Grosjean,” said Webber after the race.

“And, yeah, the rest of us are trying to fight for some decent results each weekend but he’s trying to get to the first corner as fast as he can at every race.”

Webber said the crash was “immensely frustrating” and referred to Grosjean’s ban for causing a crash at the start of the Belgian Grand Prix, saying: “maybe he needs another holiday”.

“He needs to have a look at himself, obviously, it was completely his fault,” Webber continued. “You know, how many mistakes can you make? How may times can you make the same error? First-lap incidents, it’s quite embarrassing at this level for him.”

Grosjean said he had been trying to avoid a collision in the first corner: “Well, yes, after the ban I’m very careful at the start. I kept my line and trying to avoid any contact with Perez which was on the left. I was focussing on that and didn’t see the delta speed with Mark.”

Grosjean added he was “just trying to avoid any contact, that was my main objective and yeah, it didn’t work. It was a stupid crash.”

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89 comments on Webber fumes at “first-lap nutcase” Grosjean

  1. necrodethmortem (@necrodethmortem) said on 7th October 2012, 13:59

    The worrisome part is that Grosjean said he was doing his best not to hit anyone, so basically he admits that he isn’t able to deal with multiple drivers around him. He may be fast, but he is not F1 material.

  2. Andy (@turbof1) said on 7th October 2012, 14:07

    the guys confirmed that it was the first-lap nutcase again Grosjean,

    maybe he needs another holiday.

    yeah… it’s quite embarrassing at this level for him.

    I can’t stop laughing! It might sound stupid, but as far as I am concerned Grosjean can hit Webber every race, just to get these comments. I just love it that Webber actually says what he thinks!

  3. charlay (@charlay) said on 7th October 2012, 14:14

    Gotta say, i’m pretty sure Webber said:
    ““And, yeah, the rest of us are trying to fight for some decent results each weekend but he’s trying to get to the first THIRD corner as fast as he can at every race.”

    just saying

  4. KaIIe (@kaiie) said on 7th October 2012, 14:25

    Here’s what Crashjean has achieved so far this season:
    Australia: crash with Maldonado on lap 2.
    Malaysia: crash with Schumacher on lap 1, spin on lap 3.
    Spain: crash with Perez.
    Monaco: crash with Schumacher at the start.
    Britain: crash with di Resta at the start.
    Germany: crash with Massa.
    Belgium: crash with Hamilton (and many others after that) at the start.
    Japan: crash with Webber at the start.

    That’s a pretty impressive list…

    • Andy (@turbof1) said on 7th October 2012, 14:33

      And he still has 5 more races to top it up. Well 5 races if he doesn’t get excluded again.

    • Optimaximal (@optimaximal) said on 7th October 2012, 23:19

      The collision in Australia was Maldonaldo turning in on him, clouting his front wheel.

    • Dion (@infinitygc) said on 8th October 2012, 20:56

      If i were to be honest, I’m surprised Alonso didn’t get a penalty for what happened in Monaco, since it’s more or less what Grosjean did in Spa. He squeezed him into Michael, and caused a big crash. Apparently Leave-a-tha-space doesn’t apply to the great Alonso (also referring to him and Kimi in Suzuka).

  5. frenchfrog said on 7th October 2012, 14:27

    if you take a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt8ngsLHh7o,
    you can see that before T2 Webber is very close to Button then slows his car and the distance between him and Button increases while the one between Button and Vettel remains the same.

    I don’t say that Grosjean didn’t make a mistake, I just say that Webber is really slow in T2 and Grosjean had just a fraction of second to brake when he realize that Webber was slowing so much

    • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 7th October 2012, 14:49

      I totally agree.
      It was obviously still Grosjean’s fault, because had enough room to go up the inside, and he had enough time to brake.
      But Mark was going a little slower than (i think) Grosjean expected. The kid’s got amazing talent, and raw speed, just like Maldonado, but he really has to clean up his racing, also like Maldonado, even though Crashtor has gotten better these past few races. Oh! and hey! Lets not forget he finally got his first points since his Spanish win.

  6. Hairs (@hairs) said on 7th October 2012, 15:28

    Grosjean really is worrying.

    I slated him after his first season when he was absolutely dire, but gave him a pretty good mark at the halfway point this year. At that stage, he looked like what he was supposed to be: a fast rookie who makes rookie mistakes. But to come from Spa where he came close to killing a driver for absolutely no reason (he drove all the way across the track to crash into Hamilton when he had acres of space around him), to t-boning another driver because he wasn’t watching in front of him is just scary. First corners are a minefield on any track. It’s one thing to make mistakes. It’s another thing entirely not to have the capacity to know what’s going on around you.

  7. infernojim (@infernojim) said on 7th October 2012, 16:02

    The Sky post race analysis of Hamilton v Raikkonnen, and the onboard of Raikkonen and how quickly he adjusted the wheel to avoid an incident with Hamilton that showed the difference in awareness between the two. Grosjean needs to look across the garage and take a leaf out of Kimi’s book.

    Before anyone says it, yes Kimi had 1st corner contact this weekend, but only because Alonso did pretty much the same as Grosjean did to Hamilton at Spa, and Kimi had nowhere to go…. Racing incident, which was unavoidable. Quite different to misjudging your braking and driving someone off the road.

  8. Girts (@girts) said on 7th October 2012, 17:15

    I disagree with Webber’s opinion that Grosjean needs ‘another holiday’. What he needs is more experience. Let’s not forget that he hasn’t completed his first full F1 season yet and that he has never had the luxury of the unlimited testing that the likes of Webber used to enjoy when they were F1 rookies. Grosjean should be penalised for repeated mistakes but race bans would only complicate the already difficult learning process further and thus are the wrong way to go. If he still keeps regularly crashing into other drivers in a year from now, then fine, throw him out. But, for now, give him more time to learn from those mistakes instead of more time to ‘reflect’ and ‘think’.

  9. StefMeister (@stefmeister) said on 7th October 2012, 17:22

    The problem with Grosjean is that he’s had plenty of time to learn from his mistakes & yet still makes the same mistakes.

    Im not just talking about his time in F1 either, I remember watching him in the Euro F3 series back in 2006 & he was making very similar errors & getting the same critisism. from other drivers. He then moved into GP2 & was again making some of the same errors & had a couple 1st lap incidents in his run with Renault in F1 at the end of 2009.

  10. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 7th October 2012, 18:47

    To be honest I don’t think much to the incident, he was trying to avoid the Sauber, that was pretty obvious to me. You can’t blame the guy for being over cautious and not moving slightly more to the left, considering his recent ban.

    Grosjean should probably be glad that Mark doesn’t head up up the GPDA anymore.

  11. John H (@john-h) said on 7th October 2012, 20:39

    Grosjean is basically saying he can only concentrate on one car at a time. Pathetic explanation for one of the best drivers in the world (apparently).

  12. BROOKSY007 (@brooksy007) said on 8th October 2012, 0:12

    Mark has every right to be so angry!!! A good result in Japan would have really moved him up the drivers table, and this time it looked like he was really comfortable and confident in the car!

    All that work down the drain – too bad we can’t have a mix of f1 and ice hockey style fights!!!!

  13. Maverick232 said on 8th October 2012, 0:57

    I think Mark’s quote was “I think he’s trying to get to the THIRD corner as fast as he can”.

    Brilliant! Haha

  14. john48 said on 8th October 2012, 2:41

    Webber slowed down way too much for that corner.
    More than the cars in front, and all the cars behind bunched up more than usual, behind him.
    So the accident wasn’t all Grosjean’s fault.
    Webber is not the greatest driver, and seems to be overly defensive to any hint of criticism in interviews.
    Just my 2 cents.

  15. dragoll (@dragoll) said on 8th October 2012, 8:16

    any insurance company will ping the driver behind for someone rear ending another driver on the road, and it makes sense, only the person behind can react to whats happening in front of him. Mark was reacting to what he thought could happen in front of him, decided he’d be cautious and behind him he has GRO thinking he can overtake someone at that point.

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