Kobayashi could lose Sauber seat without sponsor

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Kamui Kobayashi, Sauber, Suzuka, 2012In the round-up: Kamui Kobayashi could lose his seat at Sauber next year unless he can find a sponsor.

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Kobayashi in need of a sponsor (ESPN)

“It’s very strange to need to find a sponsor to drive for another team or [to drive] here. At this moment of course the money is very important but basically I really want to be one of the top drivers with a good team. I want to be in Formula One and that’s what I was dreaming of when I was young.”

Best yet to come, says upbeat De Villota (Reuters)

“I want to keep fighting because I believe so strongly in women being part of motor racing.”

Today programme, 11th October 2012 (Radio 4; Skip to 2hr 33min)

McLaren have won the right to appeal against a ruling which stated they could not claim tax exemption on the ??49m ($100m) fine the FIA handed them in 2007.

Korean GP: Second? I’d rather be fourth, says Kimi Raikkonen (DNA India)

“I’d rather be probably out of second and third place so I don’t have to go to the prize-giving. It makes no difference to be second or fifth if you don’t win.”

Raikkonen pins hopes on upgrade (BBC)

“We do everything we can but we have to improve and we haven’t scored very good points on the previous races. But we have still been scoring points and keeping ourselves in the championship.

Marussia better for Glock than Toyota (F1 Pulse)

“Once in 2009 at the Nurburgring, on Thursday night I came back to the hotel at 11-11:30pm and I realised I am already completely exhausted before the real weekend or my real job started because on Thursday I had from 9am until 10pm with half an hour break in between.”

Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button smooth over F1 cracks at McLaren (The Guardian)

Lewis Hamilton: “I made a mistake. I tried as hard as I could to get hold of Jenson but I think he had a night out so I couldn’t get hold of him. So I sent a message, he replied and accepted it. The first thing I did here was to go and apologise. Perhaps Twitter is not for me.”

Nothing certain in F1 (Sky)

Martin Brundle: “I’m told by several people involved that through [Romain Grosjean's] junior Formula racing he was hard on a car and incident prone. He probably does need the help of someone like Sir Jackie Stewart although it would have been better if this was public afterwards rather than beforehand.”

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@John-H thinks McLaren may have already thrown the championships away:

When you look at the mistakes, McLaren have really thrown this championship away due to poor operational performance. The car is quick and the drivers are quick. Improving pit stops was a success, but why were there such big problems there in the first place?

As much as I dislike Red Bull, you have to give them credit for filling up the cars with fuel correctly and practising how to change four wheels before the season starts. They deserve both championships much more.
@John-H

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Michael Schumacher won a strange Japanese Grand Prix 15 years ago today.

With Jacques Villeneuve facing likely exclusion from the event following a yellow flag infringement in practice, the Williams driver held up the field in the opening stages, hoping someone would overtake his principle championship rival.

The plan backfired when Schumacher’s team mate Eddie Irvine got ahead of the Williams, allowing him to hold up Villeneuve and help Schumacher pass via the pit stops. That done, Irvine handed the lead of the race to Schumacher.

Heinz-Harald Frentzen split the two Ferraris before the end of the race but with Villeneuve not scoring Schumacher carried a one-point lead into the final race at Jerez.

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133 comments on Kobayashi could lose Sauber seat without sponsor

  1. ivz (@ivz) said on 12th October 2012, 0:06

    That photo is fantastic!

  2. ivz (@ivz) said on 12th October 2012, 0:20

    In regards to Kobayashi, would be sad to see him lose his seat at Sauber. Its a shame that smaller teams rely so heavily on driver money, when they should be receiving more support from FOM. The teams really need to get together and demand more! Look at the NBA lock out last season? The players ended up getting a bigger chunk of the pie as a result. Here the teams are the players, and with no teams, there is no game.
    Also now that Monisha Kaltenborn is team principal I would not be surprised to see her push the idea of the first female F1 driver. The question is, can she find someone good enough, and how would she go about it? No doubt the sponsorship dollars would fly in if she found a great female racer, and F1 overall would possibly open up more female viewers, or at the very least, gain some interest. Could it be possible that in the near future Sauber hold a test event over a weekend and try to get say the best 10 female drivers in the world, run them against each other and someone like Kobayashi, see how they compare, if they are close to an established F1 driver, maybe they are worth a shot?

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 0:28

      Also now that Monisha Kaltenborn is team principal I would not be surprised to see her push the idea of the first female F1 driver.

      I think you should give Kaltenborn more credit than that. She might be a woman, and she might be a spokesperson for women in motrsport, but she has been around long enough to know that she needs to take the two best drivers available, regardless of their gender.

      • I disagree. I think we should give Kaltenborn less credit. No matter her gender, her background is purely in business. Her priorities are clearly based in profit and short-term thinking, and not in any respect for the sport. If a female driver would bring in sponsorship money (even if it meant crappy track results), she’d be all over it. I, for one, have faith that some other team principals would take the less-money, win-oriented route.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 7:08

          @aficion – Sorry, but I find that to be a horribly sexist remark. These days, being a team principal is increasingly about doing business. All the team principals do it, because they’re managing a brand. Martin Whitmarsh was CEO of McLaren before being promoted. Stefano Domenicali spent most of his career managing Ferrari’s business interests. Tony Fernandes had nothing to do with Formula 1 before 2010,; instead, he was running some of the biggest businesses in Malaysia. Peter Sauber himself was a car salesman before he started building racing cars.

          Monisha Kaltenborn has been a part of Sauber for years. She knows the people currently working there, and until yesterday, she had joint control with Peter Sauber. Kaltenborn is not some outsider drafted into the team; she has been with them for over a decade. For you to characterise her as someone only concerned with the team’s bottom line and therefore an inappropriate choice is wrong, because you’re overlooking her history with the team, and choosing to ignore that that the team principal’s responsibility is to manage the entire team – and that includes its finances. But I don’t see you criticising Whitmarsh, Domenicali, Fernandes or Peter Sauber for it. Just the only woman in the boys’ club.

          • Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 12th October 2012, 9:48

            @aficion I believe @Prisoner-Monkeys is spot-on. I think Kaltenborn deserves a lot of credit.

            You have to look at the last two seasons that the team have had since she began to take a more prominent role in controlling the team. Since then, the team have had two of their most successful season as a privateer team in their history. I hardly think the two are unrelated.

          • VoiseyS (@voisey) said on 12th October 2012, 12:12

            @prisoner-monkeys How is that a sexist remark exactly? I can understand you disagreeing with his viewpoint on Kaltenborn’s business focus, but there’s nothing in that comment that implies that focus has anything to do with her being female.

        • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 12th October 2012, 9:01

          BS. I’m never hesitant when it comes to criticizing corporate greed, but I see nothing in Monisha that would warrant such criticism. The team is doing very well with her at the helm and I don’t see any indication of “short-term thinking”. Also, I think that Peter Sauber is an excellent judge of character and if he trusts her, I don’t see any reason why we shouldn’t.

    • thatscienceguy said on 12th October 2012, 0:51

      Maria de Filippis and Lella Lombardi might be a bit annoyed by the thought of someone else being the first female F1 driver.
      (And Desiree Williams and Divina Galica, althuogh they didn’t start the races they entered).

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 12th October 2012, 1:03

      @ivc, thank you. To everybody else I apologize if I am boring you but unless we want our sport to become a totally dumbed down parody of its real raison d’etre we have to encourage the teams to fight to get back a fair share of the revenue they generate. It’s a disgrace to see a driver of Kobayashis stature reduced to begging for sponsorship in order to be able to compete in a midfield team. Virtually all the financial pressures teams face could be alleviated if they got a fair share of the revenue. To suggest that Bernies ability at negotiating appearance contracts is worth as much as the combined revenue distributed to all 12 teams is absolutely indefensible, the teams, drivers and circuit owners are squeezed and fans have to pay more and more ( ticket prices, pay TV) to compensate for the hundreds of millions of dollars drained out of the sport every year.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 9:31

        It’s a disgrace to see a driver of Kobayashis stature reduced to begging for sponsorship in order to be able to compete in a midfield team.

        But is that because the team a) are so desperate for money that they have been forced to ask him to find a sponsor regardless of his performnces, or b) the team don’t feel that he has done enough to warrant a seat on merit and merit alone?

        When Kobayashi first joined the sport in 2009, bit things were expected of him. A lot of people got swept up in Koabayshi fever, but I always felt that the bar was set a little too high. He certainly did very well for himself – and Peter Sauber saw the benefit of giving him a driver in 2010 without any sponsorship obligations – but he never quite reached the lofty heights that the early hype suggested he could. In fact, I don’t think he truly lived up to the hype until last weeked when he scored his first podium.

        As poopular as he is, Kobayashi has been disappointing. Sergio Perez picked up three podiums in two years, compared to Kobayashi’s one podium in three years, and he scored just five points in the last twelve races of 2011. This year, he’s been fairly inconsistent as well. Just look at his last eight races: ninth in Canada, retired in Valencia, eleventh at Silverstone, fourth at Hockenhim, eighteenth (and retired) in Hungary, thirteenth in Belgium, ninth in Italy, thirteenth in Singapore, and a podium in Japan. He’s been consistently inconsistent.

        I think people have allowed themselves to get too carried away by Kobayashi. He simply hasn’t delivered; certainly not what was expected of him when he first joined the sport. But if he really is as good as you suggest he is, then he should have no trouble finding a sponsor.

        • Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 12th October 2012, 10:05

          @Prisoner-Monkeys

          But is that because the team a) are so desperate for money that they have been forced to ask him to find a sponsor regardless of his performnces, or b) the team don’t feel that he has done enough to warrant a seat on merit and merit alone?

          If it really is between those two and Sauber truly are ‘desperate’ for cash, the answer is A. Kobayashi has not driven any less impressively than a number of drivers this season who do not have their place on the grid next season being questioned.

          As popular as he is, Kobayashi has been disappointing. Sergio Perez picked up three podiums in two years, compared to Kobayashi’s one podium in three years, and he scored just five points in the last twelve races of 2011.

          But at the start of 2011, he finished in the points in six consecutive races from round two in Malaysia to round seven in Canada (would’ve been the first seven races had the team not been disqualified in Melbourne). The car was decent last season, but I don’t think anyone’s under any illusion that the team fell behind in the development race last year. Maybe that’s because they were working on 2012 or because they just didn’t get it right, who knows. The point is I don’t think Kamui’s lack of points in the second half of 2011 could be fully attributed to him.

          This year, he’s been fairly inconsistent as well. Just look at his last eight races: ninth in Canada, retired in Valencia, eleventh at Silverstone, fourth at Hockenhim, eighteenth (and retired) in Hungary, thirteenth in Belgium, ninth in Italy, thirteenth in Singapore, and a podium in Japan. He’s been consistently inconsistent.

          ‘Tis the nature of the beast in the year of Our Bernie 2012. Virtually every driver down to the newest three teams has had an inconsistent run of results this year. It’s been so tight and unpredictable this season that the form of each team has varied rather dramatically at times from race to race. This year so far, Kamui’s had seven points finishes, finished outside the points five times and had three retirements, including Spa where he was looking arguably stronger than he’d been all season. Compare that to Perez, who’s also had seven points finishes, finished outside the points four times and retired in four more races – suddenly it puts the claims of inconsistency into more of a context. Compare Kobayashi to drivers like Webber, Massa, Grosjean, Maldonado or even Button, it’s clear that the tyre situation this season is making it more challenging than ever for any driver to remain consistent.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 12th October 2012, 23:37

            @magnificent-geoffery, I agree with your analysis and would like to point out again that of all the drivers, KKs natural style of chucking the car around was the one most handicapped by the new type tyre he has done well to adapt to a strategy of tyre conservation. I would also like to clarify my position on driver sponsorship, if a driver is good enough and worked hard enough to attract sponsors I believe he should be able to keep that money not give it to the team, the team should find their own sponsors. cc.@prisoner-monkeys

    • I Love the Pope said on 12th October 2012, 1:07

      Female drivers do not really bring female fan interest in the U.S. With drivers like Danica, it is mostly just more ogling men watching.

      • celeste (@celeste) said on 12th October 2012, 1:13

        If any I think drivers like Danica and this kind of things only make it hard to female driver to be taked seriously in motosport…

      • Female drivers do not really bring female fan interest in the U.S.

        Is that statement mostly based on your personal experience, or are there any statistics to support it? (And what do you mean by “drivers like Danica”?)

        • celeste (@celeste) said on 12th October 2012, 1:32

          They had not accomplish much by any standard and only have an advertising value….

        • I Love the Pope said on 12th October 2012, 1:33

          Drivers like Danica as in female drivers like Danica who is a female driver.

          And yes, it hasn’t done anything for motorsport. She has turned some women off.

          My wife believes that women shouldn’t race at all, and I happen to agree.

          • My wife believes that women shouldn’t race at all, and I happen to agree.

            Why do you believe that?

          • celeste (@celeste) said on 12th October 2012, 1:39

            Any driver, woman, man or martian who isn´t doing much in any category…

            My wife believes that women shouldn’t race at all, and I happen to agree.

            I don´t agree, but everyone has their opinion…

          • I Love the Pope said on 12th October 2012, 1:46

            We know that men and women are different and have different roles in life. This just happens to be truth.

          • Got it. Just wanted to make sure this discussion was as over as I thought it was.

          • Hairs (@hairs) said on 12th October 2012, 2:56

            My wife believes that women shouldn’t race at all, and I happen to agree

            I’m brian of Nazareth and so is my wife!

          • I Love the Pope said on 12th October 2012, 4:18

            Meh. Some just know the truth and others deny it. That’s life.

          • Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 12th October 2012, 6:35

            Meh. Some know the truth and others deny it. That’s life.

            That’s simultaneously the most laughable and depressing attitude to gender in F1 I’ve ever come across.

            There are no such things as gender roles. It’s a myth that society has failed to overcome from the more oppressive days of old and continues to hold women back. There’s is no good reason at all why we should still hold the idea that ‘men should do this and women should do that’. Just accepting that the way things are is somehow the way things should be is terribly obstructionist and is exactly the sort of attitude that continues to hold women back.

            There will be a female driver in F1 soon, and she will be there on merit. Mark my words.

          • Nick (@npf1) said on 12th October 2012, 12:02

            There will be a female driver in F1 soon, and she will be there on merit. Mark my words.

            I’m not sure about soon, but there is a Dutch girl, Beitske Visser, who is doing pretty well in Formel ADAC and will drive in German F3 next year, for Lotus. Mind you, she injured her back, spent a night at a hospital and won the race on the following day at Zandvoort. Won 2 races in her debut season, with pretty solid top 6 results as well. Depending on her further career, I think she can get far, provided that she keeps Lotus backing.

    • celeste (@celeste) said on 12th October 2012, 1:09

      Poor Kobayashi, will be sad to see him lose his sit…

      Also now that Monisha Kaltenborn is team principal I would not be surprised to see her push the idea of the first female F1 driver.

      I dislike this subject… I don´t want a contest for a female driver, I don´t want a female driver to pay for her sit, or to be sponsor from Saba, Pantene or Nivea to get a sit, I want a female friver to win a category and rise to F1, maybe this is unrealistic but I hate Tokenism and if Kaltenborn could get her position with out getting advantage for being a woman we should get the same chance as to get a woman to drive in F1 ….even if it takes a decade or more…

      • I Love the Pope said on 12th October 2012, 1:34

        We don’t even get the top men in cars anymore. What makes you think this will happen outside of pay-driver circles?

        • celeste (@celeste) said on 12th October 2012, 1:51

          We have drivers who had backing and are good… so Is not bad to have a sponsor, is bad if you have a sponsor just because you are from a specific gener, or race, or country… There should be decent if not good drivers whom also have money…

    • Bruno (@brunes) said on 12th October 2012, 3:24

      There have been a few female drivers in F1 before.
      -Maria Teresa de Filippis
      -Lella Lombardi
      -Divina Galica
      -Desiré Wilson
      -Giovanna Amati

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 12th October 2012, 20:13

      Sauber has never, recently, preferred pay-drivers to talented drivers, and it would be a pity to see that changing. Luckily for them things are going well, but obviously other teams with money are a better prospect for the future.

  3. that japanese gp was an amazing gp. crazy team tactics from both williams and ferrari and their drivers. JV going 5 seconds a lap slower at the start to hold everyone up and hope one of the other drivers passed michael. and then ferrari using eddie brilliantly. schumi break tested(of sorts) mika which allowed eddie pass both of them and get after JV.

    mega race. one that is overlooked. that was a tense and gritty title battle between 2 drivers that clearly didnt get on. That gritty dislike and tense battles is something we dont see enough of anymore, it kept you gripped!!

  4. joe123 said on 12th October 2012, 0:42

    The Grosjean misinformation from the mainstream commentators is depressing. Will Buxton (who commentates on the junior formula each week) has written a great piece on Grosjean. He argues incident by incident that Romain is only responsible for Spa and Japan. What I didn’t realise is that in F1 history, nobody has the pre-F1 CV that this lad does. 6 junior titles – and he didn’t win all those by bashing into everyone else.

    You have to question at times the preparation and proper analysis of our favourite TV pundits – it seems they are more interested in polling paddock opinion rather than fact. (Bustons’ blog)

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 0:52

      This is the same Will Buxton who reported on Twitter that the garages at the Circuit of the Americas would not be big enough for the teams to use in November, and that Bernie refused to allow them to work under temporary shade structures because of OH&S requirements, only for his comments to be completely disproven within twelve hours, right?

    • Hairs (@hairs) said on 12th October 2012, 2:00

      Buxton refers to Grosjeans “unmatched” junior record of 6 titles while carefully skirting the fact that 2 titles were
      in series that consisted of 6 events, and his 2011 “triumph” in GP2 Asia was 2 events total! Nor that these series hand out points for fastest lap, pole, and for two (very short) races per event, which wouldn’t have been the case for junior categories in the past.

      Misinformation works both ways. Even Buxton admits he was a liability first time round, and while it looked like he had improved this year, spa and suzuka were events that showed a shocking lack of capability. There is a difference between having a racing incident during a chaotic start, and driving all the way across an empty track to cause one, as he did at spa. There is also a difference between making a misjudgment in a split second, and simply not looking in front of you.

      yes Vettel was called the crash kid. How often does he crash now? Hardly ever.

      Contrary to what will says, Romain had this reputation for years, and has not improved anywhere near enough for it to be dismissed.

      • Sorry, but I don’t remember people calling Vettel ‘crash kid’.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 12th October 2012, 5:54

          @chicanef1 I think that was Martin Whitmarsh after the 2010 Belgian Grand Prix when Vettel took Button out.

          • thejudge13 (@thejudge13) said on 12th October 2012, 10:36

            Also Japan 2007, after Vettel crashed into Webber during safety car period. Webber fumed “It’s kids isn’t it? They have not got enough experience –- they do a good job and then they **** it all up.” He added that he’d noticed Vettel being a bit “wild” in his mirrors prior to the shunt, That ‘kid’ has now won 2 WDC titles. Chin up Romain, the precedent looks great.

    • KeeleyObsessed (@keeleyobsessed) said on 12th October 2012, 8:16

      Romain is only responsible for Spa and Japan

      That is pretty much precisely what I was saying in my Profile comment. It’s incredible how the media have twisted the statistics to make him look like the bad guy… I’ll admit the Spa and Japan incidents were more his fault than anyone elses, but to blame him for all 8 is particularly bad, especially when one of them is just him going a bit wide on a corner…

      • Hairs (@hairs) said on 12th October 2012, 10:28

        They haven’t twisted the statistics at all. At best, they have failed to share the blame where incidents were marginal.

        if Rg were not entirely to blame for all incidents, he still has to ask the question of himself: How come so many others don’t have these problems at the start?

        Take the Melbourne case, Buxton argues it’s Maldonado’s fault. He fails to point out Grosjean had another option when pastor was squeezing him: accept he’d been passed and back out. That’s what a cleverer driver might have done. I have little respect for either of them, so I place the blame in both camps with the proviso that pastor is a scumbag who shouldn’t be in a car.

        • VoiseyS (@voisey) said on 12th October 2012, 12:17

          “Scumbag” isn’t that a little harsh? Seems a bit more of a personality opinion than a racing one.

          • Hairs (@hairs) said on 12th October 2012, 17:44

            I think a driver who wriggles out of a lifetime ban for driving into a marshall, and then responds to criticism of him attempting to barge another driver into the barriers, next to more marshalls and the crowd, with a smarmy grin and commenting “this is formula 1″ is a scumbag, yes.

            Equally, I would describe Piquet Jr as a scumbag, and he didn’t injure anyone.

  5. Carlitox (@carlitox) said on 12th October 2012, 0:57

    Kobayashi needs to move up, not down nor out. He’s a true talent, better than Sato IMO. He has the speed, the agresiveness and doesn’t crash as frequently as Takuma. I’d be extremely dissapointed to see him out of Sauber or even F1. He deserves better machinery.

    • Adam Tate (@adam-tate) said on 12th October 2012, 7:02

      Agreed on all accounts.

    • I agree, but it appears the only seat was Ferrari and Massa has probably been handed it once again. So unless a big sponsor comes in and backs Kobayashi.. It will be Sayonara for now :(.

      The best he can do for his career is keep aiming for podiums so his name isn’t forgotten.

    • thejudge13 (@thejudge13) said on 12th October 2012, 10:43

      The naivety of Kimui is endearing and at the same time quite sad. It is also sad that the era where F1 drivers who bring huge sponsorship are getting pay-per-drive opportunities over and above those that who do not have massive sponsorship. It used to be the way that a mid table team would want a solid experienced driver like Kobayashi to maximise their table position and therefore attract more ‘prize’ money from the constructors championship. Now a Kimui is not valued that way – rather, better to recruit a kid with a billionaire behind them.

      This and many other problems in F1 are rooted in the same place. F1 funding. James Allen wrote a piece last week about the time bomb F1 is storing up over the next 5 years with regard to new drivers and money.

      It was surprising thiis week to discover PDVSA pays over £30m to Williams for ‘sponsorship’. Excuse me, Vodafone, Gillette et al I get because viewers and fans buy their stuff but the Venezuelan arrangement is reportedly a personal arrangement between a president of a country who allegedly controls a vast national oil company. And to be fair, Maldonado is no slouch. But others?

      It has not been reported anywhere I know this week in the popular F1 press (Sky business News http://news.sky.com/story/992617/exclusive-f1-owners-eye-huge-payout), but CVC/BE announced they wish to do a ‘dividend recapitalisation’. They have sold to various other “Investment funds” over 30% of FOM this year for in excess of £3bn mostly in cash. F1 already has a mortgage CVC placed on the business of £2.45bn (2006) it was due for repayment 2011, but they managed to roll over until 2016 (minutea here http://wp.me/p2HWOP-8O )

      This ‘dividend recapitalisation’ is simply a way of borrowing more money now against the next 5 years revenues due to them from the commercial F1 rights. While the rest of the world is realising they borrowed to much on credit and are trying to reduce debt, F1 is increasing its debt burden to the equivalent of several years income.

      • HoHum (@hohum) said on 13th October 2012, 0:00

        @thejudge13, sadly most fans would rather talk about female drivers, all that money went to Bernie, if the teams grew a set and stuck together they could have refused to renew the “Concorde” unless they got a much greater share of the revenue, risky of course for everyone concerned, CVC could lose their investment and the teams might lose a year of racing and income, some would go broke but F1 would be infinitely better off in the long run, and that’s why I say Bernie sold out F1.

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 12th October 2012, 20:17

      He’s not a superstar, and the drivers in better teams are all faster than him. However I’d be sad to see him move down the order or out of F1.

      • He’s not a superstar? We will never know if he doesn’t get a chance in a top team. I think you and others under-rate him. When he brings it all together he’s one of the fastest on the grid and remember why people were talking about him when he first got his chance? He didn’t need DRS to make overtakes. While others drive around in a procession, he has the ability to go for things that others don’t think is on. He’s similar to Hamilton in that respect.

  6. F1 98 said on 12th October 2012, 1:11

    Ever since 2010 I have been a fan of kamui he one of the reason I get up early in the morning(US time) to watch f1. I have watched f1 since 2003 when I was five years old and if I ever had to root for someone in my life and thought that driver would be world champion who fully deserves it it should be Kamui Kobayashi.

    • Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 12th October 2012, 6:44

      You were born in 1998?

      Wow. I remember the 1997 season when I was seven, before you were even alive. That makes me feel old.

      Good comment, by the way. Nice to know there are passionate and knowledgeable young fans of the sport in the States.

      • Adam Tate (@adam-tate) said on 12th October 2012, 7:04

        Oh stop it you two!

        You’re making this 25 year old feel like an old man!

        :)

        • JP (@jp1987) said on 12th October 2012, 9:13

          I love this thread! as a relatively young fan of F1 (I am 25 as well) its great to see others in the same path more or less as me. As a matter of fact, I loooooved waking up with my dad in the morning (I am from Mexico, so most races were in morning time for us) to watch the races together in our PJ’s and after the race he would make some breakfast for both of us :D Happy times. I would like to encourage other readers to post their F1 stories and experiences.

      • JerseyF1 (@jerseyf1) said on 12th October 2012, 9:49

        I started watching F1 ‘fanatically’ in about 1990 – just about the time @magnificent-geoffrey was entering the world. I have some memories of the odd earlier race and recall Piquet and Mansell being the big names of the eighties.

        I still tend to think of the 1998 season as being pretty recent – grooved tyres and narrow cars, those recently introduced underpowered 3litre engines and the re-emergence of the ‘silver-arrows’ the previous year.

      • Lol 1997? I was 13, i can remember watching senna vividly and unfortunately remember his passing in 1994. The are many smart race fans in the US. Yall really making me feel old though

  7. Did Sauber lose funding when Perez committed to McLaren? Was he paying to drive for Sauber?

  8. Kimi4WDC said on 12th October 2012, 1:35

    More and more teams choosing rout of getting sponsorship via their drivers, I bet Frank Williams would have a nice wit or two about it :)

    Just let them fold if they can’t keep up, some one will take their place.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 12th October 2012, 2:12

      @kimi4wdc, I can’t tell you how depressing I find your attitude, as expressed in your last line.
      “someone will take their place”, someone with a better grasp of showbiz and how to “look after the bottom line”. No room for inspired designers like Colin Chapman, no room for practical can do engineers like Jack Brabham, no room for passionate racers like Enzo Ferrari. Time to let Bernie take over the whole show and get the races scripted in Hollywood.

      • Kimi4WDC said on 12th October 2012, 3:24

        Actually that’s exactly what made me write that last line, and also the reason why I mentioned Frank Williams. I like Monisha and all, but the attitude of recent Team Principal trend is what is depressing to me. They all seem to be focused on running as you mentioned scripted circus instead of giving it a full go.
        There are just too many stake holders in Formula 1, and they all want to be in control.
        I think we talking about the same thing, I just like the Red Bull and Williams early days approach better. They are there to win, not to run a sustainable business.

        • HoHum (@hohum) said on 12th October 2012, 7:03

          @kimi4wdc, My apologies, I missed the sarcasm, and yes I agreee, Frank Williams was in my mind I just didn’t know how to characterize him, like Enzo I guess driven to win. I wish the constructors title meant more and there was more freedom to make a better car.

  9. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 2:13

    “I’d rather be probably out of second and third place so I don’t have to go to the prize-giving. It makes no difference to be second or fifth if you don’t win.”

    And yet, at the same time, Raikkonen has said that “he only cares” about the championship.

    When it comes down to it, second and third places are going to go much further towards that than fourth and fifth places.

    • He means that, at the end of the season, if he isn’t first he’d rather be fourth or lower, because he wouldn’t want to have to go to the awards ceremony in Istanbul for anything less than the WDC.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 3:30

        So Raikkonen would rather have a poor finish to the season to avoid an awards dinner? Aryton Senna’s comments about racing drivers who don’t go for a gap no longer being racing drivers springs to mind. What’s Raikkonen going to do if he is leading the Brazilian Grand Prix with a lap to go, but the seven extra points he gets for first will guarantee him third in the drivers’ standings? Is he just going to coast around and let someone else take the win simply so he doesn’t have to go to the presentation?

        • He’s saying he doesn’t really consider there to be a meaningful difference between second and fifth in the championship (you know, with second being the first of the losers and all) — so he’d probably prefer fifth to second so he doesn’t have to go to Istanbul.

          Frankly, I think you’re taking the whole thing a bit too seriously. Last season, even Alonso and Webber were joking about wishing third place on each other, because neither wanted to go to India for the ceremony.

        • Kimi4WDC said on 12th October 2012, 4:10

          Putting Senna there, just nullifies whole point you trying to get across.

          Senna would be all over to join Red Bull or McLaren by mid season, if they had a faster cars.

          • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 6:05

            No, it doesn’t.

            I’m not thinking of what Senna himself would have done. Just of what he said: that if you see a gap and you decide not to go for it, then you are not a racing driver.

            What does it say about Raikkonen if he’d rather finish fourth overall than third simply so that he doesn’t have to go to an awards dinner?

          • DC (@dc) said on 12th October 2012, 9:50

            I took it as a “second place is the first loser” sort of remark.

        • Metallion (@metallion) said on 12th October 2012, 9:06

          @prisoner-monkeys I think you’re completely missing Kimi’s sense of humor. Not every word that a person says should be taken seriously. It was just his way way of saying that he doesn’t care about anything else than finishing first. There’s no way he’d give up position in a race to avoid going to an awards ceremony.

        • Marco (@f1lipino) said on 12th October 2012, 9:14

          I think you’re taking Raikkonen’s comment too seriously. This is the guy who said he was taking a dump during Pele’s speech.

          As for what it says about him, I think it says he doesn’t care too much for social events (old news); or about the opinions of others. Including ours. Lighten up.

        • Fixy (@fixy) said on 12th October 2012, 20:21

          He is right to an extent: 1st is what matters. 2nd or 5th are both losers.
          However the closest you are to 1st the better it is. 5th or 2nd is a huge difference in terms of performance, it proves you as a driver and you have an extra trophy, which, despite being less worthy than 1st place, is more worthy than 5th. When 1st place can’t be obtained 2nd is obviously the best chance and Kimi should know this and respect it.

    • Bullfrog (@bullfrog) said on 12th October 2012, 9:33

      What next? “Second? I’d rather be 15th”, says Maldonado?

    • joe123 said on 12th October 2012, 10:14

      The point he was making was if 4th he wouldn’t have to go to the dull awards ceremony in December http://wp.me/p2HWOP-9I

  10. Jay Menon (@jaymenon10) said on 12th October 2012, 2:40

    If Kobayashi needs sponsorship to stay in F1, I would say he is in grave danger of loosing his seat. It is a sad prospect, and he has been one of the better talents to join F1 over the last couple years. With the current state of the economy in Japan, I doubt he will get many big companies to make the big investment. And to be fair, the big companies (except cars) in Japan probably don’t even need the advertisement exposure of F1 because they are already so well known around the world. To be fair, since the car companies are not in the balance here, Kamui’s best shot is probably an electronics manufacturer, I would guess they would be the next biggest set of companies. As I mentioned, would companies like Sony, Panasonic, JVC, Sharp want to spend millions to flog their brand that is already so well established globally? Probably not. Kamui will require a sugar daddy or mamma of sort..I really hope he finds one.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 2:54

      Kobayashi might need sponsorship to secure his seat with Sauber. He has said that the biggest companies in Japan are car manufacturers. Honda has recently expressed an interest in returning to Formula 1. It’s not difficult to connect the dots – if Honda are genuinely interested in re-establishing themselves in the sport, then sponsoring Kobayashi might be the easiest way to get their foot in the door. Of course, this would no doubt give way to dozens of rumours about them re-entering with Sauber, but Honda are not limited to cars and cars alone. For instance, they make motorcycles as well …

  11. I saw that picture of de Villotta’s skull and I must say, I’m surprised she only lost an eye. Their was certainly some damage to the temporal lobe of the brain, and the doctors have done a great job. The question is: whose fault was the crash?

    • Eleanore (@leucocrystal) said on 12th October 2012, 10:59

      Whether Marussia will ever actually put out a definitive statement on that remains to be seen (and I honestly won’t be surprised if they avoid ever doing so, if possible). I think the more important thing to be looking at, however, is the safety issues that were surrounding the car when whatever caused the accident (even if it was purely driver error) occurred. The fact that there was anything that dangerous at driver eye level, that close to a running F1 car, is something I’m still rather appalled by.

  12. Pandaslap (@pandaslap) said on 12th October 2012, 4:08

    If my memory serves me correctly, Sauber gained new sponsors following Perez’s success in Malaysia. I wonder if these recent comments regarding Kobayashi’s future are meant to draw new sponsors in a similar manner. Drawing more attention, name recognition, and sponsorships to the team allows Sauber to continue their rise. Timing these comments immediately after Kobayashi’s success in his home country seems like a clever attempt to maximize the benefits of his podium finish for the team.

  13. I Love the Pope said on 12th October 2012, 4:20

    If Kamui is not resigned by Sauber because of money, then my support for Sauber ends.

    • I feel the same. I am a big admirer of Peter Sauber and I like Monisha.. But if their idea of success and moving up the grid is getting mediocre pay drivers to replace Kobayashi.. It will backfire on them.

  14. Sergio Perez (@sergio-perez) said on 12th October 2012, 4:26

    I think last weekend was great for Kamui. I won’t be surprised we see him in a better team next year. If he stays at Sauber, I expect Sauber to be even more competitive next year with the additional funding he will get. The Sauber/ Honda rumors that are sure to appear would be great for the sport, no doubt!

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 12th October 2012, 4:46

      @sergio-perez

      I think last weekend was great for Kamui. I won’t be surprised we see him in a better team next year.

      That’s a great theory.

      It is, however, let down by one tiny flaw: there are no spare seats in better teams to be had. McLaren, Mercedes and Red Bull are all locked out. Felipe Massa is probably going to stay at Ferrari, but if he leaves, then most people believe that Nico Hulkenberg or Paul di Resta will take the vacant seat. And Lotus’ future plans are unknown, but they will probably keep both their drivers.

      The only way Kobayashi could move to one of those teams is like this:

      a) Ferrari fire Massa, and then surprise everyone by taking Kobayashi.
      b) Grosjean causes another first-lap accident and the stewards ban him for the rest of the season, prompting Lotus to look elsewhere for the second seat.
      c) Red Bull fire Webber after Ferrari announce their second driver, revealing that their initial contract offer was just a ploy to keep him from going to Maranello.

      The first scenario is probably the most likely. After all, Paul di Resta was widely tipped for the vacant McLaren seat, but then they took Perez. The talk of di Resta at McLaren appears to have been fuelled by the media and the grapevine rather than anythign substantial, so it’s entirely plausible that Ferrari could do the same and ignore talk of di Resta and Hulkenberg and pick Kobayashi instead.

      The second scenario is plausible, mostly because of Grosjean’s track record of eight first-(or second-)-lap incidents in eighteen starts. He had a stop/go penalty in Suzuka, which is the harshest available to the stewards for a driver still competing in the race, but another episode is likely to get him another ban, at which point he becomes a liability – even if Eric Boullier is managing him. Alternatively, Raikkonen might leave the team or the sport again; he’s set up a YouTube video and website counting down to a big annoucement, and it’s going to be awfully disappointing if he announces that he is staying as it means nothing will change.

      Finally, I would not put it past Red Bull to sign Mark Webber up for another year and then break the contract as soon as Ferrari confirm their 2013 line-up, but this would be likely to result in a civil – or even criminal (for fraud) – case, and would be very messy. At the very least, Webber would go to the FIA’s Contract Review Board.

      • Ral (@ral) said on 12th October 2012, 9:37

        Someone had found out that the company who made that video is used extensively by Lotus. Additionally, Lotus have linked to it all over their social media. It’s just Lotus milking signing Raikkonen (a year ago, with the option for a second year) for all it’s worth.

        Which I don’t blame them for. Reports are that just having him drive for the team has by itself attracted sponsors. But it is funny to see his fans getting all worked up ;)

      • Nickpkr said on 12th October 2012, 12:18

        Nope of all you got in line Perez bit them to McLaren sit in place for Hamilton, but don’t forget he was not good enough for Ferrari, so doubt the others who have achieve less can. Kobayashi is great but he had a 3 yr chance where are the results ? in the Markoredbull world had him out last year won a race or leave.
        WDC material drivers have all extensive sponsorship, so end off story.

      • celeste (@celeste) said on 12th October 2012, 17:35

        c) Red Bull fire Webber after Ferrari announce their second driver, revealing that their initial contract offer was just a ploy to keep him from going to Maranello.

        How did you came up with that one? O_o!

  15. Maksutov (@maksutov) said on 12th October 2012, 4:56

    For the first time, we can actually see the extent of Marias injuries. Simply shocking and… unbelievable.

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