Vettel takes championship lead with hat-trick of wins

2012 Korean Grand Prix review

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Korea, 2012Sebastian Vettel took over the lead of the drivers’ championship with an emphatic win in the Korean Grand Prix.

Despite worries about tyre wear in the closing stages, Vettel led a one-two for Red Bull ahead of Fernando Alonso.

But it was a disastrous race for McLaren as Lewis Hamilton’s slim championship hopes faded even further and Jenson Button retired on the first lap.

Vettel takes control

Vettel lined up second on the grid but quickly took the lead at the start – just as he did last year. He beat pole sitter Webber to the first corner, then rebuffed his attack on the run to turn three.

Webber in turn had to hold off Alonso as they sped to turn four, the Ferrari driver having braked daringly late for turn three to pass Lewis Hamilton.

But the other McLaren got no further than the first lap. Jenson Button was hit by the out-of-control Sauber of Kamui Kobayashi at turn three. The furious Button called his rival an “idiot” on his radio as he pulled to a stop with broken front-right suspension.

Nico Rosberg was also involved in the accident – his second first-lap misfortune in as many races – and his Mercedes came to a stop at the beginning of lap two. He managed to find somewhere to park it on the barrier-lined straight leading from turn two.

Yellow flag delay

Nico Rosberg, Mercedes, Korea International Circuit, 2012Marshals continued to wave yellow flags at the scene of Rosberg’s retirement, in the DRS zone, until lap nine. This caused problems for drivers trying to pass their rivals.

The Toro Rosso pair were stuck behind Pastor Maldonado, with Daniel Ricciardo complaining Jean-Eric Vergne was slowing him down. Vergne was given the ‘your team mate is faster than you’ message, but replied that he was being held up because he couldn’t pass the Williams.

Ricciardo held position behind Vergne and once the yellow flags were withdrawn the pair demoted Maldonado to 15th and later took Bruno Senna as well.

At the front Vettel was drawing away from Webber who in turn was leaving Alonso and Hamilton behind. Hamilton was the first to pit on lap 14, returning to the track a couple of seconds behind Sergio Perez, who had started on softs and was running a longer first stint.

Webber, Massa and Raikkonen reacted to Hamilton’s pit stop on the following lap, leaving Alonso to complete another tour as Hamilton gained on him. When Alonso came on on the next lap he returned to the track just in front of Perez and Hamilton.

He kept the Sauber behind at turn three while Hamilton took a speculative look and nearly paid for it with his front wing. Exiting the next corner Hamilton used his better traction on fresh tyres to out-accelerate Perez and close to within a second of Alonso.

Hamilton’s disastrous day

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Korea International Circuit, 2012This was the high water mark of Hamilton’s challenge during the race. Soon after he began complaining about his car’s handling. “We understand the problem,” said his engineer. “We think it’s a mechanical balance change.”

Hamilton slipped back towards Massa, who passed him with ease in the DRS zone. Soon Raikkonen was on the tail of the McLaren, though he found it tougher to pass. He got by in the DRS zone on lap 24 but Hamilton responded at turn four and claimed the place back.

Raikkonen’s attempts at passing were repeatedly frustrated by Hamilton, to the point that the pair fell over seven seconds behind Massa. But by lap 27 Hamilton reported his tyres “shredding” and had to make an early second pit stop.

McLaren held on to the hope that a third stop might not be necessary but it was in vain. Adding insult to injury, Hamilton collected a loose piece of Astroturf in his final stint which ruined his handling even further.

Having been sizing up the Toro Rossos for a pass, Hamilton ended the race fending off an attack from Perez.

“You’re a bit too close to Fernando”

Vettel’s first stop passed without incident and he continued in the lead. He stayed out longer than his pursuers at his second stop as well but had a scare at turn three on his in-lap, locking up his tyres very hard.

There were worried faces on the Red Bull pit wall after they examined the state of Vettel’s tyres from the second stint. “After the last stop we could see there was not a lot of tread left in the tyre,” admitted Christian Horner afterwards. “Both of them were very marginal at the end.”

Vettel received repeated urgent messages from race engineer Guillaume Rocquelin during the final stint. “From now on you could be down to the cord on the right front,” said Rocquelin late in the third stint.

“Be very careful under braking. Remember what happened,” he added, reminding Vettel that when the tyres went it would be without warning.

Behind him Webber had to be increasingly wary of Alonso, who was coming on strong after treating his tyres with care at the beginning of the third stint. At that point Massa was closing on him rapidly, and Ferrari were quick to remind him that occupying a place on the track in front of his team mate is not the way to ensure a contract renewal for 2013.

“You’re a bit too close to Fernando,” warned Rob Smedley. “I think you could back off at least another second.” Massa obliged, and was later informed when Alonso had picked up his pace.

Vettel takes victory

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Korea International Circuit, 2012Vettel’s lap times dipped towards the end of the race as he heeded the team’s advice. Webber claimed the fastest lap on the penultimate tour as Red Bull put a lock on the first one-two for a team this season.

Third place for Alonso was not enough to stop Vettel from taking the championship lead, which the Ferrari driver has held since June. Massa was a dutiful fourth, Raikkonen over 16 seconds behind in fifth.

Nico Hulkenberg briefly lost position to Romain Grosjean following the last pit stops. But when the pair caught the slowing Hamilton the Force India driver positioned his car perfectly at turn four to pass the pair of them.

Vergne and Ricciardo secured a double points finish for Toro Rosso, while the hobbled Hamilton clung on to the final points position. But he is now 62 points adrift of Vettel, and his championship hopes have gone from being a long shot to to highly unrealistic.

Paul di Resta, Michael Schumacher and the Williams pair also finished on the lead lap, while Vitaly Petrov led home Heikki Kovalainen, the Marussia duo and Narain Karthikeyan.

Until the Japan/Korea double-header no driver had won consecutive races this year. Now Vettel has won three in a row, and has the points lead in the championship to boot. A third world championship beckons for Red Bull’s rising superstar.

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163 comments on Vettel takes championship lead with hat-trick of wins

  1. thejudge13 (@thejudge13) said on 14th October 2012, 11:20

    As the Stewards get tougher, the spotlight will increasingly fall on the marshalling of races. It is easily argued that both Singapore and today have been adversely affected by poor race management. The length of time under the safety car in Singapore – nearly 20% or the race and the ridiculous amount of time it took to clear Rosberg’s car today have severly influenced the outcome of both races.

    The cars were nicely bunched by lap 3 and Vettel was still only 0.9s ahead of Webber, yet the wafting of yellow flags for another 8 laps left the cars strung out, most over 1 second apart.

    The FIA and Charlie Whiting need to get their act together. Is it a coincidence both of these races were Asian events and are the marshalls properly and trained to do an efficient job. (My race review if anyone interested – too long to post here)

  2. Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 14th October 2012, 11:30

    i have are a lot of questions after this GP :

    Why Ferrari didn’t allow Massa to pass Fernando (who was managing his tyres) & go attacking & bothering Mark Webber (who was also managing his tyres) instead of staying behind Fernando , if Massa managed to pass Webber he will then blocking him to let Alonso Pass & then give him the position, if he didn’t manage to pass he will back off & let Fernando push Webber (at least in this case Webber would not have the luxury to save his tyres)

    Why Alonso wasn’t able to be as fast as Massa, Is it possible that the “master”, the man who knows how to interpret the performance of the tyres most of all was slower than a driver who has shown time and time its limits on race pace and distance (with all my respects to Massa)

    How Adrian Newey & co have brought at least 5 evolution to the RB8 & Ferrari since the package of Barcelona has never produced other effective changes

    How in this all circumstances Alonso will be WDC ????????
    in fact he has answered this question after Suzuka he said that they will need a miracle (something like 2 wet races or 2 retirement of Vettel which is unlikely to happen but it’s not impossible)

    • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 14th October 2012, 11:31

      sorry i have a lot of questions after this GP

    • sumedh said on 14th October 2012, 11:39

      Every champion driver has atleast one race every season where their no.2 is ahead of them on pace.
      Vettel had Germany 2011, Monaco 2012, Monaco 2010.
      Alonso had Turkey 2010, Germany 2010, China 2011, Korea 2012.
      Lewis had Monza 2010, Japan 2011, Australia 2012

      Above are a few examples. It is nothing out of the ordinary.

      • alexf1man (@alexf1man) said on 14th October 2012, 11:55

        Lewis was also behind Jenson in Belgium 2012 (Qualifying only, he was taken out by Grosjean at turn 1) and Japan 2012 (comprehensively)…

      • F1fanNL (@) said on 14th October 2012, 16:01

        But when Vettel is outpaced he’s “clearly not that great”. When Hamilton or Alonso are outpaced there’s a list of excuses.
        I don’t understand where some people get the idea from that Alonso (or Hamilton) can’t be beaten in the same car when history has shown he can.

        • canberra said on 14th October 2012, 18:05

          button 613 points vs hamilton 620 points in their time in mclaren. nearly the same. hamilton is nothing compared to alonso and vettel

          • Anyone who uses just pure numbers to try to prove a point is a fool. Stats do not tell a story.

          • hamster said on 14th October 2012, 21:15

            @canberra your preference is obvious having read your less than objective comments all the way down the page; but it is amusing reading how you manage to determine everything is Hamiltons’ fault.

            I hadn’t realised that Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf had setup a correspondance course in objective analysis. I shall check when the next course starts.

    • Nick (@npf1) said on 14th October 2012, 11:49

      Why Ferrari didn’t allow Massa to pass Fernando (who was managing his tyres) & go attacking & bothering Mark Webber (who was also managing his tyres) instead of staying behind Fernando , if Massa managed to pass Webber he will then blocking him to let Alonso Pass & then give him the position, if he didn’t manage to pass he will back off & let Fernando push Webber (at least in this case Webber would not have the luxury to save his tyres)

      I think there was too much risk involved. If Massa got ahead of Alonso, but would not manage to pass Webber before the end, he would have to go out of his way to give the position back to Fernando. If he did get ahead of Webber and started losing his tires, Webber could have just passed him again, gaining Fernando nothing. Besides, we have seen a lot of accidents this year involving non-DRS passes and while Webber and Alonso are two experienced drivers, Webber would have defended from Alonso, maybe even more so due to already being passed by Massa. Conservative, but understandable.

      Why Alonso wasn’t able to be as fast as Massa, Is it possible that the “master”, the man who knows how to interpret the performance of the tyres most of all was slower than a driver who has shown time and time its limits on race pace and distance (with all my respects to Massa)

      Ferrari probably knows. Massa is doing very well lately and it has been said Alonso was sparing his tires after the second stop for a long time as well. Besides, Massa on a good day is a force. He hasn’t shown many drives like that in 2011 and early 2012, but when he’s comfortable with the car and has a good day, he could out-race Kimi, so why not Fernando?

      How Adrian Newey & co have brought at least 5 evolution to the RB8 & Ferrari since the package of Barcelona has never produced other effective changes

      Well, thing is, Newey isn’t a legendary designer because of his haircut. He just is an amazing guy, who has shown many times over the years to be able to counter his rival teams. Ferrari are, once more, having windtunnel problems and, in my opinion, have been lacking somewhat in the design department since 2007/8, when they had much more failed updates than before. Probably because they were used to dragging every idea onto the test track. Combine the lack of physical testing with faulty windtunnel results, and you’ve got something Ferrari should be ashamed of.

      How in this all circumstances Alonso will be WDC ?

      Realistically, it is going to be very tough. However, a lot of magazines and websites have been posting articles on people who won the WDC with an inferior car lately. Take a gander, it’s not impossible. Fernando has dragged the Ferrari into places we could not believe before and Vettel generally has a hard time when he’s not controlling a race. A wet race, a puncture, any given random circumstance can propel Fernando back into the lead, or if it happens to Fernando, give Vettel a bigger lead.

      Ferrari need to up their game. I was a huge fan in the Schumacher days, but they’ve made a lot of weird, disappointing choices and errors the past few years..

    • Why Ferrari didn’t allow Massa to pass Fernando (who was managing his tyres) & go attacking & bothering Mark Webber (who was also managing his tyres) instead of staying behind Fernando

      I have the same question. Especially since, in my own naivity, I truly believe Massa had the pace to try and go after Vettel (is he would have won, Alonso would have taken a bigger benefit out of the whole situation).

      The simple explanation is that Ferrari have set their main objective for Fernando on getting onto the podium. Once they found themselves there, they didn’t want to take any unnecessary risks (Massa could have passed both Fernando and Webber without being able to catch Vettel – something which would have translated into an almost certain 4th place for Alonso). They probably thought it’s better to keep Massa behind, grabbing sure WCC points and try to send Alonso himself after Webber with a set of better preserved tyres at the end of the race. What they missed out on was the fact that it was Vettel’s tyres that hit the cliff, not Webber’s.

      It’s just a humble assumption but by the looks of it, it seems pertinent to me. Even though if I was Domenicalli I would have risked it and sent Massa charging after Vettel with all he’s got.

    • Mads (@mads) said on 14th October 2012, 11:57

      @tifoso1989

      Why Ferrari didn’t allow Massa to pass Fernando….

      I was thinking the same thing. Of cause there would be the risk of Webber and Massa having a collision which would mean that Ferrari would NOT get 2nd in the WCC, but other then that it would be pretty much a free opportunity to gain 2nd place for Alonso.
      If it didn’t work, as you say, they could just revert the positions and keep Alonso on the podium. If not, then it could be a Ferrari double podium even!
      But maybe they just wanted to play it safe. Yes Vettel now leads the championship, but its not even close to being sealed, and Ferrari would have risked gaining 2nd place in the WCC if they tried to pull off such a move.

      • HoHum (@hohum) said on 14th October 2012, 13:15

        And a fight with Webber might have slowed them all down giving Vettel an even bigger gap.

        • Mads (@mads) said on 14th October 2012, 14:02

          @hohum
          Sure it would, but there was no way that Alonso could have caught Vettel when he had Webber ahead. It was all about minimizing the points loss and hope for something to go wrong for Vettel. Whether the gap to him was one lap or 1 tenth doesn’t really matter. But loosing 7 points instead of loosing 10 points does make a difference for his championship chances.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 14th October 2012, 14:30

            @mads,sure, that’s why Webber was there, it is also possible all those radio calls to Vettel about the tyres going off were to encourage Alonso to save his tyres and wait for Vettel to slow down.

      • AndresM (@andresm) said on 14th October 2012, 21:42

        In my view Massa could have passed Alonso and even reach (overtaking is another stoty) Webber but he would have destroyed his tyres and probablyhe would even lose its fourth position. I believe Ferrari did the right thing considering car performance. I was glad to see they did not came to RBR radio “mermaid songs”

    • I’d guess Ferrari aimed for overtaking McL in WCC after Alonso did not make it past Webber by turn 4, and Button was out early. It IS a significant step fwd.
      Pace was there for maybe one, but not two RB’s. 100 points still in play, and what with Alonso all oriental philosophy now… patience.

  3. alexf1man (@alexf1man) said on 14th October 2012, 11:47

    In my opinion my nominations for DOTD are Hulkenberg, Ricciardo, Vergne and Massa. All did really well to climb through the field, to varying extents. Massa was told to “keep the gap” and Ricciardo’s tyres went towards the end (having started 21st I’m not surprised) but otherwise they had really food races.

    On the other end of the scale, what was Kobayashi doing with Rosberg and Button? Talk about hero to zero, what a difference a week makes!

  4. Nick (@npf1) said on 14th October 2012, 11:57

    At the beginning of the season I was pretty happy with how competitive Mercedes was looking. But honestly, I’m not even sure how it’s possible for a team like that to not only fall that far behind, but with a staff like that even. It’s sad enough Brawn-Schumacher haven’t made more of their renewed collaboration, but for crying out loud, they have some very experienced men on board and still they keep falling behind.

    Mercedes seems to be the only team that keeps on running into problems with understanding the tires, messing up strategy, etc. At this rate, I actually am cheering for Sauber to overtake Mercedes in the Constructor’s championship. Sauber have, in the past, had good cars, but due to a lack of development fallen behind. Not so much this year and I honestly feel they deserve that 5th place.

  5. Postreader said on 14th October 2012, 13:38

    Yawn. Just give the championship to Vettel already. And the next one too because we all know he’ll win it. And the next one. And the next…

    • F1fanNL (@) said on 14th October 2012, 16:05

      Even last year he never won more than 3 races in a row.

    • it’s not over yet…some of commentators may regret their words two weeks later. Many time this year we have seen the powers change…In Singapore Mclaren seemed to be unreachable one race later both ferrari and red bull were faster. In one week Red Bull look very strong …what will happen two weeks later…just wait and see…wait and see

  6. I think we need to start getting used to the fact that finger boy is going to be a 3 time world champion. Hard for a Hamilton fan to accept but that is the reality. Ferrari hasn’t got the car to challenge and once again Adrian and his team have won the development race. Shame that Mclaren had the fastest car at the begining of the season and seem to have dropped the ball both in development and operation.

    • Broom (@brum55) said on 14th October 2012, 16:39

      Its difficult for an Alonso fan too. Got nothing against Vettel but it seems far too easy once again. Raikonnen really struggled for his first WDC, whereas Alonso’s been struggling ever since 06 and Lewis since 08 yet Vettel is cruising to title after title.

      • Palle (@palle) said on 14th October 2012, 20:46

        If You look at it from RBR view it is certainly not an easy season, but they have worked harder and smarter than the rest and now they are in the position where they decide. But we have seen the balance of power change several times over this season, so its still open.

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 14th October 2012, 22:16

        @brum55 – Only 2011 was a “cruise” (cruise meaning destroy the field). 2010 and 2012 were close run things. I agree with @palle , that anything can happen, Alonso can regain mid-season form and take the title still.

        • Broom (@brum55) said on 15th October 2012, 0:17

          In 2010 I feel if Vettel’s car had been more reliable he would have won it as easily as he did in 2011 despite being half the driver and far more error prone than he is today. The fact the WDC fell into his lap in the last GP that year doesn’t change that. In terms of pace Red-Bull were dominant that year. You’re correct that the season wasn’t a cruise but his wins in Valencia, Japan, Brazil and of course Abu-Dhabi were. Just like his wins in Japan and Korea in the last two weeks and Singapore once Lewis DNF’d.

          Ferrari have done well to out-develop McLaren for the first time for a while, however Red-Bull are on another level. Newey & Red-Bull are just continuously embarassing McLaren and Ferrari as they have done the last 3 years. There is nothing to suggest Ferrari will suddenly out think Newey. The man is a wizard!

    • Ron (@rcorporon) said on 14th October 2012, 21:52

      As a RBR fan this season has been anything but “easy” on my nerves. A little too close for comfort IMO.

  7. Felipe you’re a bit too close to Fernando, he is crying lol.

  8. So McLaren decided to bring a unique update to Lewis Hamilton’s car for the race
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii2bUVVAt0k

    This title is Vettel’s to lose and it’s hard for me to take personally. Alonso will be a nice winner but for the Vettel towin 3 years in a row, I am worried for F1′s competitiveness.

  9. It was sad to see a top team like Ferrari failing to show real management due to the excessive power their top driver is granted. The claims from Alonso that RedBull is the fastest car while Ferrari is the best team only makes it worse when the fact is that the team could have played their cards a lot better today and hence have limited the damage.

    With Massa catching Alonso, if it wasn’t for the team orders, they should have taken advantage of the situation instead of panicking. Massa was clearly faster and they could easily have sent Massa past by use of the DRS only in order to let Alonso gain the DRS advantage on the following lap to pass Massa. They could effectively have switched position every other lap until Webber was reeled in and then let Massa attack Webber forcing him to defend, drive slower and waste rubber while letting Alonso save his own.

    It seems more than likely to me that they could have brought Alonso up to second this way. Instead we just got the typical distress order telling Massa to back off.

    A pity for the race as well as the championship!

    • Palle (@palle) said on 14th October 2012, 20:37

      Its a good idea to try something new – actually let the two drivers of the same team work together to improve. However the drivers are super ego’s – You always have the risk that the number two driver don’t want to give position back. In this respect F1 is still very oldschool and traditional. And it might could work with Alonso and Massa, cause the latter knows his position, but it would never work in RedBull. I’m glad they didn’t try it, but it could have been interesting to watch.

    • evered7 (@evered7) said on 15th October 2012, 0:51

      +1. I thought of it too, but in the hindsight, we do not know how much of a damage that increased pace would have caused to the tires. There was a .4 sec (I Believe) advantage whenever DRS was used in that zone but it would have equally made both cars suffer higher degradation and left both cars vulnerable to tire problems, if the issue with the tires actually occurs.

      3-4 is the best result for Ferrari since they are within touching distance in the WDC and gained a place in the WCC. With an updated and hopefully faster car, maybe they can convert this into a 1-2 in India to renew their hope for both championships.

      There are races still left in the calendar and the situation can change very quickly in every race.

  10. There is no question that Red Bull is faster this season, but I’m not sure if i agree that Ferrari has a better team.
    I’m sure that another big problem Hamilton had with his cars handling was the astro-turf he got stuck under his car once he ran off the track.
    Regardless, I think that everyone did an excellent job of planning and organizing of pit stops and tire changes. Very exciting race! I can’t wait to see what the teams have in store for us next week.

  11. DC (@dujedcv) said on 14th October 2012, 19:06

    Please God, dont let that little kid to spoil this superb season by raising his finger at the end of season

    • Ron (@rcorporon) said on 14th October 2012, 21:56

      For some of us seeing his finger raised will be the perfect end to this great season!

    • RAMBO said on 14th October 2012, 23:17

      If he get’s the title it will be fully deserved. The only reason why I wouldn’t want to see Vettel win is a bunch of whiners getting of on how he only wins in a superb car and how he isn’t such a great driver etc etc, while he has outscored and outqualified Webber massively ever since joining Red Bull even though Webber was once seen as a briljant qualifier and was vastly more experienced then Vettel.

  12. Olivier42 (@olivier42) said on 14th October 2012, 20:38

    @keithcollantine It’s Guillaume Rocquelin, not Rocqueline!

  13. ducatiusa (@ducatiusa) said on 14th October 2012, 22:11

    NOT OVER YET ferrari should have a new parts for the next few races and it’s not over until the fat lady sing

  14. Funny how Alonso, Hamilton and their fans are suddenly warming to each other. The words of praise go back and forth, a total turnaround from the past.

    I`ve been wondering why this is happening and think I got an answer.

    In the past Alonso and Hamilton were bitter rivals, both of them determined to be considered among the greatest ever. After 2007 both of them were left to wonder what might have been achieved if they had cooperated a little better. They ended up with the same point total that season, but the title went to Raikkonen. That is the reason both Alonso and Hamilton speak highly of the other these days as to say anything else would be to indirectly belittle themselves in the process. Here`s an example: If Alonso should say that Hamilton is not world class he would in reality at the same time say that he, Alonso, isn`t world class either as they achieved about the same in same material 2007. So when alonso is praising Hamiltons ability to “win in a sub-par car” he`s indirectly praising himself as well.

    The two drivers have even more in common, they have the same “enemy”. “If your enemy is my enemy then you`re my friend”. The enemy in question is Sebastian Vettel. He`s a very big threat to both Alonso`s and Hamilton`s chances og being considered the greatest of their generation and among the greatest drivers in F1. Alonso was considered the new shining star in 2005 and 2006, Hamilton was seen as the same when he arrived in 2007 and 2008. But that`s history now, and their glory has faded somewhat, there`s a new shining star in F1. If Vettel goes on to win this year and perhaps 2,3 or 4 championships more before he retires both Alonso and Hamilton will be considered as “also-rans” in F1-history as they will not be able to show numbers anywhere near that at the end of their career. Alonso is allready 31 with 2 titles to his name, Hamilton is 27 with 1 title to his name.

    Vettel`s success is driving both Alonso and Hamilton crazy these days. It`s not just the fact he`s winning races and titles, it`s the fact that he`s much younger than Alonso and two years younger than Hamilton. If he wins the championship this season I think Alonso`s chances of achieving more in F1 than Vettel is gone. Vettel will have 5 or 6 years after Alonso`s retirement to rack up the numbers. The same goes for Hamilton, he`s not going to win the championship this year and will struggle to be a three time champion even at 30. He`s maybe on a path to equal Alonso`s numbers, but a long way behind Vettel at this stage. The way Vettel is going he might have double as many race wins and four times as many Championships as Hamilton when Vettel is 27!

    I was sceptical of Vettel in 2009 and most of the 2010-season. But he showed his metal and mental strenght towards the end of 2010. As a conequence I had to reevaluate my opinion of Vettel, I had to realize he was one of the very best drivers out there. Then came 2011, and everything I saw confimed my new belief he was one of the very best. 2012 has been a tough year for both Red Bull and Vettel, if he`s able to win the championship again I think he has to be considered the best driver in F1 these days. I mean what can you say, finger or no finger, he`s been in F1 full time since 2008. He`s won a rece or several every single year. The last four years he`s been with a team capable of challenging for the Championship. He`s been in contention every single year and has won two years with the third not yet decided, but he`s definitely in the running this year too.

    You might luck into 1 title in formula 1, but it`s impossible to luck into 2 or 3 titles. That really takes something special.

    • Ron (@rcorporon) said on 15th October 2012, 17:29

      +1 for sure.

      I’ve been an RBR fan since they started in F1 and I’ve always wondered at the hate SB has garnered during his tenure in F1. Nobody wins back to back championships (and gets to the verge of a third one) because of only a good car. If that were the case (the car was simply that much better) Webber would have been much closer to Seb these past two seasons.

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 16th October 2012, 18:52

      Superb post. 100% agree.

  15. cheers for the advice

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