Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Buddh International Circuit, 2012

Rate the race: 2012 Indian Grand Prix

2012 Indian Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Buddh International Circuit, 2012What did you think of the Indian Grand Prix? Share your verdict on today’s race.

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Rate the 2012 Indian Grand Prix out of ten

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  • 3 (10%)
  • 4 (12%)
  • 5 (18%)
  • 6 (24%)
  • 7 (16%)
  • 8 (7%)
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  1. The race proved just one thing for me – it isn’t exactly Newey who’s making a difference, as some like to point out. KERS or not Webber in a Newey designed car got beaten by Alonso. The one who’s making a different is Sebastian Vettel. Though, make that Ferrari 0.3s faster relatively to Red Bull and no one would get a serious chance against Alonso, who is driving absolutely on another level comparative to the rest of the field this year.

    1. I think the point is that these cars run far better when in clean air. Webber had been defending for a large part of the race, before the first stop he had been far less behind Vettel

      1. @bascb he lost the big gap to Seb BEFORE the pitstops, to about 10s. It was about 11s after both Red Bulls had pitted.

    2. KERS or not Webber in a Newey designed car got beaten by Alonso.

      That’s more “KERS” than “not”. I can’t imagine how Alonso would have passed Webber if he didn’t have those X laps without KERS (I reckon it came back before the end of the race). He was already 2 seconds in front of Alonso from 0.4 seconds after both pitted.

      1. I see your point, but the fact is that only Alonso was there instantly to benefit from any Red Bull misfortune. And fragile KERS is a design issue – it is compromised for the sake of packaging and it was a conscious decision by Red Bull.

    3. @leftie
      Sir, did you, by any chance, notice the update RBR made to the rb8?? Basically the kid has his old toy back…. Gases get built up in the canister while on throttle and they are expelled when the car goes off throttle on the curves…. he gets the “blown” effect which this kid needs in order to excell…. There is you difference…..

      1. Sure mate, i also noticed that FOM cameras are now constantly spraying superglue all over his tyres for more grip and also a small rocket engine hidden in the back for a humble speed boost. Traction control software disguised as Super Mario game designed for relaxation while sitting in the pits and small austrian gnomes hidden inside the dampers changing his ride height while on track mimicking active suspension system are also worth mentioning.

  2. Fernando Alonso is a remarkable driver. At no point has a sportsman of any sport managed to overturn the instinctive and irrational dislike such as that I had for him a few years ago. He’s smart, quick and amiable – just like his main rival.

    Hopefully Red Bull and Ferrari, and dare I say Mercedes, can keep a battle as fierce as this going throughout next year.

    1. @iamdanthomas I feel the same regarding Alonso. Used to hate him but in the last year or so I’ve really grown to like him, and with that have been able to more appreciate his driving skill.

  3. 7/10. Classic F1 race: not too much overtaking, but classic battles with hard but brilliant overtaking moves. Pity for Raikkonen, which didn’t have straight line speed. He certainly would’ve been on the podium, if he qualified on the second row. Webber and Hamilton battle made me sit on the edge of my couch for the 5 last laps of the race.

  4. The most exciting moment of the race was to see Vettel’s car releasing some sparks. That says a lot about the emotions involved in this “race”…
    Alonso put a great drive, again, and the rest was a snoozefest.

  5. vettels four victories in a row ,nothing stopping red bulls if vettel keeps going at this rate he definitely had the championship before brazil.After first half of the season I would have never excepted second half to be so boring.

  6. I gave it a 7. I enjoyed watching the time-sheets and was impressed by Alonso’s consistency.

  7. Bob (@bobthevulcan)
    28th October 2012, 11:31

    The race really provided the best analogy for itself – a burst tyre. You had all the tension building up, especially at the start and near the end, but it never really amounted to anything before something finally gave way. A battle for the podium never really materialized after Alonso blasted past the McLarens on the opening lap, then picked off a flagging Webber, all while Vettel blasted off into the distance.

    You could argue that there was some good action behind the Red Bulls, and that was true. We saw some daring passes by Alonso and Senna among others, and hard fought standoffs in the midfield. However, too many, if not an overwhelming majority of these, where boring DRS-assisted “highway” passes down the back straight, often completed halfway down the straight.

    At least the result keeps the championship battle alive somewhat. A solid 5.

  8. I was entertained at the start, then all the battles seemed to go off the boil and the order became static. Webber’s KERS failure spiced things up again and made the last few laps quite tense, with successive battles against Alonso and Hamilton. On top of that I enjoyed the battles further down the field.
    Unfortunately for the third race in a row there was no battle for the lead after the second corner. 7.

  9. For me it was a better race than expected. Even Vettel did not run away with it just like that, Alonso made it a great first lap, Massa was good there as well.
    At the end we saw Alonso pushing as hard as he could, and it was nice and close between Hamilton and Webber too. In between we had beautifull battles with Grosjean, with Rosberg defending from a lot of drives all race. Senna had a couple of really nice moves and deservedly got that last point. If only he had not messed up his Q2 lap, he might have been more to the front.
    Massa did a good job to defend from Kimi the whole race too.

    It was certainly not a classic, but if one does not like DRS overtaking galore, then it was quite a good one at it. I voted a 7, because I enjoyed myself almost all race.

  10. 2 – Very little action for almost the entire race, and Vettel romping away again also made it quite a bad one…

  11. 4/10 well, that was not as interesting as we had hoped. The first lap was amazing: crash course slipstreaming, and then Alonso, Hamilton and Button side-by-side. That they didn’t hit each other was again a display of experience. After that, it was not that exciting anymore.

    Two points of criticism: Pirelli’s tyre choice offered no chance for strategic variety, and thus pretty much everybody did exactly the same thing (except Grosjean). Soft/medium might have been better, but that’s just being captain hindsight here :P

    Secondly the DRS-zone: why do we need a DRS-zone on such a long straight? One move that I clearly remember was Senna on Rosberg (lap 50 or so). Senna locked up into turn three and was miles away from Rosberg. He deploys DRS and passes him cleanly before the actual corner commences. Again showing that DRS is rubbish, a desparate attempt to increase the number of overtakes.

    1. @andae23

      Pirelli’s tyre choice offered no chance for strategic variety

      Paul Hembery has just said on Twitter they could’ve used the super soft tyre here:


      Hope they do next year.

      1. Great to hear they’re picking that up.

      2. Well, I’m glad they have hindsight but shouldn’t they have thought of that before the race? I’m sure Hembery and most of his technicians knew in a very high proportion exactly how these compounds will behave here and exactly what strategies (or lack-of) are most likely. They knew it’s a low-friction surface. They had all the data, and yet, they willingly chose to go down the conservative road.

        I liked the bipolar Hembery and his passive-agressive tires more…

    2. @andae23 – perfect summary of the race.

      DRS was a joke. I think the clearest example of this was Kimi getting a properly fought advantage over Massa coming out of the pits only for it to evaporate on the straight. Kimi deserved the place, Massa didn’t.

      And just how badly did the teams read the tyres. FL on last lap but finishing 5th (Button), what’s the point of that!?

      1. @psynrg – And what part of Massa’s drive did you find so non-deserving of a 6th place? He kept Kimi at distance on merit the whole race. Kimi had DRS for the whole GP and yet his Lotus lacked the speed to pass the brazillian (Kimi was only 4-5km/h faster than Felipe WITH DRS and KERS). Massa successfully defended his position for the whole race, ergo, he deserves the spot, not Raikkonen. Any other statement is just fan boy nonsense.

        As for the scramble after Massa exited the pits: Raikkonen could have been a bit more patient and willing to position himself properly for an attack on the straight, rather than in the first 3 turns. I’m not saying he would have passed, as the Ferrari clearly had better straight line speed but, at least he would have given Felipe a slight headache there. He just rushed into a decision to overtake quickly and it was the bad one as it gave Massa DRS and with it a huge advantage on the run to turn 4. The end.

        1. @tony031r – a bit of a hysterical response there. I was merely commenting on DRS being particularly artificial here. I used this as an example. I thought Kimi & Massa’s pit exit battle was one of the few ding dongs in the whole race yet it was immediately made worthless by DRS.
          I’ve nothing against Massa’s overall classification – but it would certainly have meant more if he had to wrestle that position back from Kimi rather than be handed it on a plate. Then again that’s probably the only way he would get past anyone (even Kimi, most overrated driver in F1.)

          1. I completely agree with your DRS comments but how on earth is Kimi the most overrated driver on the grid? Being third in the championship means that he has one Red Bull, one Ferrari and two McLarens behind him!

            If anything he is underrated and IMO. McLaren just made a serious mistake by not putting him in Hamilton’s seat. I am sure Perez will be fine – in a few years but for now they are left with no contender.

          2. OK he’s not the most over rated (maybe Di Resta?). Kimi’s a great driver and consistent, the results and his championship position speak for themselves. But he never strikes me as a front runner, rather, one who is (nearly) always there to pick up the pieces.
            I also agree, McLaren have possibly missed a trick by not getting him on board again. Perez seems to have lost his edge since getting the seat. He was awful today…

  12. Agreed. No strategy battles, no real overtaking, Vettel again lonely at the front. Alonso and a few battles in the midfield spiced it up but only slightly. On the side note, the smog made it even harder to enjoy the race.

  13. A bit better than Korea, so 6 for me. Great first lap, some nice midfield dices and a bit of tension near the front. Cars look immense on TV here with the fast direction changes, but maybe they should lose the DRS on the long straight here (too easy to pass) and extend the one on the pit straight.

  14. No strategy battles, no real overtaking, Vettel again lonely at the front. Alonso and a few battles in the midfield spiced it up but only slightly. As a side note, the smog made it even harder to enjoy the race.

    1. Funny story actually: when my broadcaster decides to throw in some commercials, they use a split screen, so that the F1 feed is reduced to ± 10% its size. And every time a driver overtook someone else, we couldn’t figure out who had passed who.

  15. Better than Korea but still pretty dull. Alonso and the midfield tussles livened it up a bit but it was still extraordinarily boring. The rubbish circuit didn’t exactly help matters.
    5/10 seems fair in my opinion.

  16. 7. Not all that great, but still better than the farcical ‘races’ we got at the start of the season.

    1. It may well be that farcical races are a whole lot more entertaining (which is the antithesis of the precision keyhole surgery that is F1.)

      But now most everything is understood the season is basically forgone. We need another farse!

  17. Regarding DRS & Pirelli’s, I think it just highlights the problems & stupidity of relying on these things to create entertainment.

    DRS is too sensitive to specific conditions & there not just the length of the zone. Most the time its either too effective or does very little.

    And once the teams figure out the tyres late in the season your going to get more predictable wear as teams/drivers optimise setups & driving styles.

    People go on about overtaking needing to be more possible to make races more exciting however I’d argue that if you want races to be more exciting they need to sort of the cars & find a way of making them less aero sensitive when following one another.

    Using DRS/Tyres just masks the problems & as we’ve heard from team comments & seen with the 2014 rule changes they have taken away the drive to make the required changes.

  18. I posted this comment on yesterday’s quali report, but I feel it bears repeating:

    I get that some people don’t like domination, and on the balance of the last 3.5 race weekends, Red Bull and Vettel have certainly been dominant.

    In my opinion – ok, you don’t like the situation. Fair enough. I don’t begrudge you that opinion.

    But should we really be complaining? F1 is a show, yes. A big show with contestants. So is something like football or MotoGP. I never liked either – and the solution is simple. Don’t watch it.

    I’m sorry, but I never had much sympathy for people who complained. No one ever promised F1 would have a riveting championship, nor have they ever promised F1 would have riveting on-track action. No one ever forced you to watch F1. It is, like everything else on the telly (except the news) a show, and as with any other show, you watch the ones you like and you don’t watch the ones you don’t like.

    Either you hate the situation enough to stop watching F1, or you like F1 enough to cover your dislike for the situation. I never liked the early 2009 F1 season due to the Brawn domination – but I liked F1 too much to give up F1 on that ground. So I put up with it and kept on watching.

    You have a remote control. Use it wisely.

    1. Why should anyone “cover your dislike for the situation”, just because they like F1 in general, but don’t like the domination going on?

      1. F1 isnt a show, its a race. I saw no racing going on today.

    2. Its not about the domination. Its about this stupid rules. For F1’s sake we need to ditch DRS and Pirelles. Introduce durable tyres and reintroduce refuelling.

      1. @f1rollout

        I’m all for getting rid of DRS but I think it’s harsh to blame the tire situation on Pirelli, they’re just making the tires that they’ve been asked to make and I’m sure that if they were asked to make tires that lasted an entire race they’d do just that.

      2. reintroduce refuelling.

        why would anybody want to see refueling come back?

        if refueling came back we would just see all the passing done in the pit lane again.

    3. @f1rollout @losd @taurus
      LosD you misread my sentence. Reread the whole sentence and it’ll make sense.

      my point is – do you like the current F1, or dislike it? If you dislike it, simple – turn off the television.

      1. @raymondu999 So your answer for those of us that have found the last few races excrutiatingly dull is that we should just stop watching a sport we’ve been watching for years and years? I dont find domination boring, its that fact that all of a sudden there is no racing going on, and any overtaking we do get is via a silly gimmick like DRS. The cars are bulletproof reliable now and the circuits are soulless Tilke-dromes that dont punish driver mistakes. Not to worry though, Abu dhabi next!!

      2. Ah, so it’s a binary thing. Either you love F1, or dislike it.

        That’s a pretty limited view.

        1. @losd My point is, F1 is what it is – and no amount of complaining will change that. If you like F1, but dislike the situation (either in terms of DRS overtaking, or in terms of domination, or whatever else) then well… what’s complaining going to do?

          1. Soooo, one shouldn’t say their opinion about things. What was the point of rate the race exactly?

            BTW, the one doing the most complaining here… is you.

          2. @raymondu999 If you don’t like all the complaining that goes on there, then… leave. It’s what people do, and no amount of complaining will change that.

          3. @raymondu999 I posted the same thing to you before, but whatever: no one is forcing you to read and reply to those comments so why are you doing it? It’s exactly what Mr. Pitt, I mean @goodyear92 said you complaining is not going to change a thing…

    4. In any sport where a team or a player has a clear advantage over others and running away with the trophy the excitement levels comes down,its not just F1.No one stopped watching f1 during ferrari years when schumi winning multiple championships and ferrari are miles ahead,a f1 fan will always watch it no matter what.but its boring now beacuse the way vettel is winning and championship could be well over even before the seasons finale in brazil

      1. I’m a passionate F1 fan and I stopped watching during the Ferrari domination. If I know what’s going to transpire during the race without watching it, then I don’t need to bother. I am now in that frame of mind for the rest of this season too.

    5. @smokinjoe @taurus
      I agree completely with your comment. Without bringing into this my own opinion of the DRS overtaking situation, circuits, or the domination currently on display, however, I don’t think people should really complain.

      My internal reaction really is just, “well cry me a river.” I don’t mean to be rude, but my point is that F1 is what it is. Whether or not we watch it is completely our own choice, and it’s not something forced upon us.

      If we feel that we dislike the situation so much that we want to complain, then it’s always within our power to turn off the TV.

      To be honest, to a certain extent, nobody really cares about your view of the situation, unless they agree with it, and the complaining will make not an inkling of difference, much as we like to think it will.

      1. @raymondu999 This is a place for voicing opinions. If enough people start thinking “this is a pointless waste of my sunday afternoon” and switch the TV off, viewing figures will drop, no-one will want to pay for the TV rights and there wont be any F1 for us to complain about. That’s obviously a long way off but its a possibility.

        Why shouldn’t we complain? We’re fans of the sport and want to see a bit of excitement and drama, preferably some that isnt derived from artificial means.

        1. @taurus I did say not to complain. But complaining and disliking are different things. What would posting comments on an F1 blog do to help with the excitement and drama though? Nothing. That was my point.

          1. @raymondu999 then why are you reading the comments on this site?

          2. @taurus sigh. Never mind…

    6. @raymondu999

      I don’t think anyone wants or expects any sympathy from you, they’re just expressing their opinions – which is what I assume Keith intended when he set up a comments system on this website.

      If people find certain races boring or don’t like certain aspects of the sport then they’re perfectly entitled to express that opinion and no-one is forcing you to read them – you could just use your mouse and skip right past them without the need to tell people that they should effectively stop watching F1 and expressing their opinion about it.

      1. @beneboy hah! Touche. I just feel it’s very sad, that’s all. I’ve never been one for complaints myself, and other than this rant I’ve never uttered a single complaint in the last 20 years of my life.

        1. You gotta admit that that seems very, very believable…

      2. Haha, exactly. I love how his entire argument pretty much negates itself. A very efficient process though.

  19. 5 – some good laps, but almost no action at all. A good reason to keep working on my thesis withouth getting distracted, though. :D

  20. It wasn’t bad, but the DRS ruined some interesting battles (Alonso vs Webber, for example). 6.

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