Start, Hockenheim, 2012

German GP moved earlier for extra race in 2013

2013 F1 seasonPosted on Author Keith Collantine

Start, Hockenheim, 2012The FIA has moved the date of the German Grand Prix forward by a week to create space on the 2013 F1 calendar for a new European event.

The 2013 German Grand Prix will take place on July 7th, one week after the British Grand Prix and the same weekend as the Goodwood Festival of Speed.

A meeting of the World Motor Sport Council at Istanbul in Turkey confirmed a space has been left on the calendar for another race in Europe on July 21st, one week before the Hungarian Grand Prix.

This is expected to be a return to Istanbul Park for the Turkish Grand Prix. If the extra race goes ahead it will mean the 2013 calendar remains at 20 races as the Jersey Grand Prix is being postponed to 2014.

Paul Ricard and Magny-Cours have also been trying to return to the calendar as the host of the French Grand Prix. Red Bull have also mooted the possibility of holding a race in Austria at the Red Bull Ring (formerly the A1 Ring).

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68 comments on “German GP moved earlier for extra race in 2013”

      1. I’ve also heard that the USGP might move as the current date clashes with a big Texas Longhorns (college football) game being played in Austin – there’s talk of shifting the race date to prevent logistical mayhem from breaking out when two big events hit Austin on the same weekend.

  1. Oh, nice surprise, I like that track. Although we would have two ‘Turn 8s’ with it… I like the original one in Istanbul more though. The signature corner of Austin is Turn 1 anyway, while Turn 15 and Turn 19 are more characteristic on that track anyway for differing reasons.

    1. @gwenouille It could turn out to be quite ironic as the Red Bull Ring is not what you might think of as a ‘Red Bull circuit’ – it’s more of a power over downforce track. Although they’d like the third sector.

      It’s not a bad track, I’d like it a lot more if it weren’t such a pale shadow of the original.

      1. Yes, I guess you are right about it not being a “Red Bull track”.
        I like the scenery in fact: Styria is a wonderful, wonderful region and the circuit has such a nice background. It reminds me of Spa.

        I don’t recall the circuit’s original incarnation, only the reduced version. Wasn’t it H.Tilke there too ?
        I think it is too short though, I like longer circuits with less blue flags…

          1. I remember Red Bull proposed a major extension, but that hasn’t come to much. The track’s good enough on its own merits though, it’ll be nice to have something different though, as the Red Bull Ring has such a short lap.

          2. @lin1876 – I don’t think it was Red Bull who proposed those extensions.

            From what I understand, Formula 1 left the A1 Ring because the drivers were threatening to do lap times in under a minute. The series had outgrown the circuit. In a bid to get Formula 1 back to Austria, the then-owners decided to upgrade and extend the circuit, using parts of the original layout in the design.

            Construction was scheduled to go ahead, and they knocked down the pit buildings and the main grandstand … only for everything to come to a screeching halt. I can’t find any reliable source explaining why, but I have heard that someone – either a group of environmentalists or garden-variety NIMBYs – filed an injuction in an Austrian court, which was upheld, forcing construction to come to a halt. They couldn’t even rebuild what they had wiped out (if true, one suspects that the injunction was deliberately timed to achieve exactly this).

            There were several attempts to get the project back up and running. Red Bull were initially involved, while Alex Wurz, KTM and Volkswagen were all linked to on-again, off-again bids, but nothing ever came of them. It wasn’t until 2008 that Red Bull committed to rebuilding the circuit. They decided not to build the “Westschleife” extension so as to save money and to get the circuit back to an operational state sooner.

            However, Dietrich Mateschitz has gone on the record several times saying that the circuit will not host Formula 1 or MotoGP events, but rather limit itself to DTM and the likes of Formula 2.

      2. @keithcollantine

        It could turn out to be quite ironic as the Red Bull Ring is not what you might think of as a ‘Red Bull circuit’ – it’s more of a power over downforce track. Although they’d like the third sector.

        That, I think, is the major reason why the race won’t go ahead. The circuit is known as the Red Bull Ring. Red Bull would likely be the title sponsor of the event. And Red Bull would almost certainly fund it. As as if that wasn’t enough, Red Bull has never actually raced there. They are three-time World Champions and they have no useable data on the circuit. As a result, there would likely be a lot of pressure on the team to win there. But the circuit itself is the antithesis of everything Red Bull Racing have designed in their cars for years.

        I just can’t see Red Bull – the parent company – backing a race at a circuit that carries their name if they weren’t confident that there was a reasonable chance that they would win there. If they did it regardless, then the team would likely have to produce bespoke parts purely for that race just to stand a chance, which has the potential to throw their entire season out of order. Christian Horner has said that work on the 2013 car is nearly done, and they will likely have a developent schedule fully planned out. Any move to include the Austrian Grand Prix on the calendar would place it as the tenth race of twenty in the season, at a time when everyone is introducing plenty of new parts to their cars, and the nature of its placement – ie, at the last minute – would throw that schedule into disarray as Red Bull try to plan a new upgrade to fit in with their schedule without disrupting it too much. And finally, a loss at their home race would likely damage the team’s morale.

        There’s simply too much at stake for Red Bull to risk backing a race at the circuit.

  2. Good as Istanbul is, I would like to see a race in a country where there are a lot of fans (or at least one which is widely accessible). That leaves Magny-Cours, Paul Ricard and the A1 Ring, not an inspired choice, but it could be worse.

    1. Magny-Cours is a fantastic circuit but the A1-Ring is even better. Both would provide great races. Can’t speak for Paul Ricard as I’ve never been there.

  3. The Le Mans 24 Hours had been moved a week later to accommodate for New Jersey, and with NJ gone, at one point I believe Ecclestone had the bright idea to suggest that a French GP could take place a week before Britain… and on the same weekend as the new LM date! With this calendar, at least the insanity of having a direct competition between a Grand Prix and the Race of the Year is out (although there’s not much competition between the two when it comes to spectators’ value for money).

    1. Come on, that was obviously Bernie negotiating with the circuits. They wanted something that Bernie didn’t like, and they wouldn’t budge. So he deliberately scheduled the race to clash with Le Mans to get them to think twice about it.

  4. I don’t remember Goodwood ever clashing with F1, seeing as so many teams and drivers are present. I wonder if Goodwood will change its date, or if this will be the weakest Festival of Speed in years.

    1. FoS has always been scheduled for a weekend not clashing with with major motorsport to be able to attract top teams/people from different categories.

      F1 has made a mess of next years calendar, first forcing Le Mans to move to avoid a clash, and now creatung a clash with FoS. In one fell swoop they’ve damaged two of the most important motorsport events of the year. But maybe that was their intention….

      1. In one fell swoop they’ve damaged two of the most important motorsport events of the year.

        Yes, I’m sure this was all part of a master plan to weaken the appeal of Goodwood. The FIA and Bernie conspired to create a bogus race in New Jersey, which they then dropped and started negotiations with new circuits once Goodwood had set a date, giving them a ready-made excuse to move the German Grand Prix to that same weekend.

        Or, as a much more reasonable explanation, negotiations with alternate venues for New Jersey showed that the best way forward was to move the German Grand Prix forward by two weeks. The organisers of the race at the Nurburgring agreed to this on the condition that doing so would protect the race regardless of the circuit’s financial condition. All parties involved liked this solution, as it allowed for twenty races in the 2013 season, adding a replacement for New Jersey and protecting an existing – and some would say important – race on the calendar, and Goodwood was simply a victim of circumstance.

        But no, when I put it like that, it’s obviously an insidious conspiracy to weaken the Goodwood Festival of Speed for absolutely no reason at all, because Goodwood does not provide any kind of threat to Formula 1’s popularity.


  5. I expect Goodwood will announce a date change soon. You can’t have the Festival of Speed without F1. I’d guess they’d either push it back a week (Clashes with MotoGP, SRO Sprint Series & IndyCar) or have it the weekend after the Canadian GP (13th-16th June) but this still clashes with MotoGP & DTM

    1. Actually, with the German MotoGP round on the same weekend as the German GP, there is no reason why Goodwood couldn’t move the FoS to the 14th July. No F1 and MotoGP would mean all the drivers and riders could attend

    1. It’s in no condition to host a Formula 1 race. It’s too small, lacks the necessary safety features of all Grade-1 circuits, and has no room to expand or rebuild to accomodate the changes that would be needed to bring it up to standard.

    1. @joey-zyla – I’m not aware of any protests or wars in Turkey or Austria. The only possible thing I can think you’re referring to is Turkey’s action against Syria, and all they’re doing is defending themselves, trying to prevent a civil war in the country next door from spilling over and taking hold in their own lands. They’ve also agreed to let NATO station missile batteries inside their own borders, and while those missiles are aimed at Syria, they’re intended as a further deterrent.

      Heaven forbid that Formula 1 should hold a race in a country willing to defend itself from an ongoing bloody conflict in a neighbouring country and allow itself to be used as a base for Western military powers to try and bring stability to the region that has been missing for a year.

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