“Significant improvement” needed at Toro Rosso

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Daniel Ricciardo, Toro Rosso, Buddh International Circuit, 2012In the round-up: Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz says junior squad Toro Rosso must perform better next year.

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“Toro Rosso is still our rookie team and its goals differ from those of Red Bull Racing. But that?s not to say we?re happy with the development of the car. Significant improvements need to be found and are being called for.”

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21 comments on “Significant improvement” needed at Toro Rosso

  1. Brace (@brace) said on 9th December 2012, 0:10

    Maybe he can buy HRT now too.

  2. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th December 2012, 0:23

    “Toro Rosso is still our rookie team and its goals differ from those of Red Bull Racing. But that’s not to say we’re happy with the development of the car. Significant improvements need to be found and are being called for.”

    Wasn’t improving Toro Rosso’s performances the enitre point of getting rid of Ascanelli and hiring Key?

    • Tyler (@tdog) said on 9th December 2012, 0:48

      Wasn’t improving Toro Rosso’s performances the enitre point of getting rid of Ascanelli and hiring Key?

      Yes. He’s criticising the STR7, for which Ascanelli was responsible. He’s saying he expects a better performance from next year’s car.

  3. Calum (@calum) said on 9th December 2012, 0:48

    Really hoping the Oesterreichring gets the nod!

  4. Ned Flanders (@ned-flanders) said on 9th December 2012, 1:04

    @Prisoner-Monkeys was surprised to see the Circuit of the Americas passed over for the Formula One promotional trophy in favour of last year’s winners India

    I think this most prestigious of awards lost all credibility when it was nonsensically given to South Korea in 2010! The only surprise for me is that they didn’t give it to Bahrain this time round…

  5. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 9th December 2012, 2:53

    Both Turkey & France needs hug amount of government backing but Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz can help to finance Austria GP.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th December 2012, 5:50

      He can, but in the SpeedWeek article, Helmut Marko said that the local government could fund the race.

      But according to Autosport’s article on the subject, Mateschitz is away on vacation, so maybe he is willing to fund the race, and Marko is just looking to save a few of his master’s Euros by spending someone else’s.

  6. david d.m. said on 9th December 2012, 4:24

    But what will happen when Toro Rosso finally improves? The best they will ever finish is behind Red Bull and that has to be very demoralizing for every member of the team, they obviously want to win but it’s nigh on impossible to even improve constantly with rookies every two years.

    • davidnotcoulthard said on 9th December 2012, 8:15

      They can at least be proud of 2008….with Vettel on board….look at what happened at Monza and Brazil, and look at how the standing looked after Brazil ’08! Hmmm…

      Anyway, Some might prefer this kind of faenza over STR.

    • Mads (@mads) said on 9th December 2012, 13:02

      With their resources, can they even hope to get onto the back of Red Bull?
      Without the Red Bull money, where would they actually be? Broke probably, and that is not going to get them anywhere.
      There is plenty of room for them to improve, they have been the back of the midfield for quite some time now. They need to mix it up with the Sauber’s and Force India’s more often.
      I don’t think that its the drivers that are holding them back, look at the drivers in the other cars around them. They aren’t the most experienced bunch either. First of all, I think Torro Rosso needs a car in which the drivers can really show what they are made from. If they are constantly hanging in the lonely gap above Caterham and below whoever is doing worst of the midfielders, then its hard to get wheel to wheel racing experience.

    • tigen (@tigen) said on 9th December 2012, 19:50

      I think their goal would be to have STR be competitive with the other midfielders. In a year like this one that means they don’t fight for the championship, but can fight for podiums or an odd race win.

      Having two Red Bull owned teams is bad for F1. I wonder how TR would do as an independent. RB should slowly spin them off, maybe leave a contract in place to feed one of the seats from RB’s young driver program.

      It seems like Toro Rosso’s habit of fielding two young, unbenchmarked drivers together hurts them. You never really know how good they are. Is it the car? Is it the driver? I think it also hurts them not to have their own brand and sponsor. It’s a waste of opportunity plus they have a conflict of interest with the sister team.

  7. katederby (@katederby) said on 9th December 2012, 13:18

    So this will be Webber’s first year in a competitive car with no physical hindrance. Hope his recovery is swift and complete.

  8. Spawinte (@spawinte) said on 9th December 2012, 14:48

    Oh I see that Dietrich, just like Luca, thinks you can simply demand improvement and that it will happen as if by magic.

    What the hell does he mean by its “goals differ from Red Bull”? The goal of every team should be to finish in the highest possible position at every single race and win the championship.

    Are Torro Rosso just there as a youth program and to let Red Bull cruise past when required? The whole thing is really starting to stink. This is why two teams should not be owned by the same organisation.

    • Brace (@brace) said on 9th December 2012, 23:15

      Imagine a football game where two teams in this kind of ownership arrangement meet in the League, Cup or whatever kind of game except random friendly match or similar.

      I mean, what Torro Rosso is doing would be equal to throwing a match, which is pretty much illegal.

      I don’t know if it would be allowed in any of the worlds top Leagues.

  9. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 9th December 2012, 15:04

    Red Bull owner urges TR to be a car that can take points out of direct RB rivals, a Sauber-like team. They don’t want a car that can be lapped, they need a car (and at least one driver) who can fight for victories if for any reasons the red bull can make it, like V3ttel did on his Monza rainy win.

  10. MylesW (@mpw1985) said on 9th December 2012, 17:45

    Thanks for the birthday wishes, Keith! I look forward to it every year

  11. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 12th December 2012, 13:14

    I can understand Red Bull’s thinking with Toro Rosso. They need them to be competitive if only for the extra revenue at the end of the year with the FOM payout.

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