Scheckter’s top two are Vettel and Hamilton

2012 F1 seasonPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Sebastian Vettel, Lewis Hamilton, Circuit of the Americas, 2012Jody Scheckter named Sebastian Vettel and Lewis Hamilton as his top two drivers in F1 at the moment.

The 1979 world champion was asked to name which drivers he’d pick if he were running an F1 team.

“I always put Vettel and Lewis together as the top two,” said Scheckter. “And I probably have to put Alonso into that but I would probably pick those two drivers, yeah, put two bulls in at one time and try and make them work together in a mature way.”

Speaking to MotorSport, Scheckter said he hadn’t supported his Ferrari successor during 2012: “No, not for Fernando, no. I think what he did when he was at McLaren [in 2007] has just put me off him for life, I suppose.

“I think he drove well this year, there’s no question about that, he’s doing a good job on that, but when somebody does something like that you lose respect for them.”

Scheckter praised Hamilton’s attacking style, saying: “When he came his first year and a half, two years, it was brilliant. I mean no one comes in and has that sort of performance with so little things going wrong. It was incredible.

“And last year he was not even making mistakes by being over-aggressive. He was just making mistakes that were completely stupid.

“I rate him as the best driver in heavy traffic. I used to rate Jenson as one of the worst but he’s become quite good in traffic now. But Lewis has been for me in the first years fantastic. He did some manoeuvres in traffic that were just… and got away with it most of the time except for last year. I’m definitely a fan of his.”

Scheckter also criticised the current F1 rules which impose grid penalties of drivers for engine and gearbox failures.

“The thing that I think is most unfair about Grand Prix at the moment is when they get these penalties for a gearbox that had to be changed and had to go back. And I just think that’s dreadful.

“I know there’s an opinion that they say ‘well you can’t separate the driver and the car’ and stuff like this. But I think on the track if a driver makes a mistake and crashes that’s the car and driver.

“But when it’s a gearbox rather take it off the constructors’ points and leave the drivers. I think that, for me, because it really spoils some races completely from a viewing point of view.”

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  1. vuelve kowalsky
    21st December 2012, 16:16

    some fans can’t forgive alonso for what he did, even tough the 100 millions penalty was not becase of what he could have said to the fia. It was more a political vendetta against Ron dennis.
    Scheckter seems to be one of them.

  2. I’d pick Hamilton and Vettel as well, simply because they’re both faster than Alonso over one lap. With those two on my team I’d be guaranteed (assuming an at least competitive car) of locking out the front row more often than not. Qualifying position has a direct impact on finishing position. I did the numbers once and the race winner starts on pole around 50% of the time, and on the front row 75% of the time.

    Vettel has started on the front row in 48% of his races, and Hamilton in 43%. They’re by far the two best qualifiers in F1 at present, in a completely different league from anybody else – including Alonso.

    1. They’re by far the two best qualifiers in F1 at present, in a completely different league from anybody else – including Alonso.

      BTW Vettel was beaten by Webber 9 times this season in qualifying

      Vettel has started on the front row in 48% of his races, and Hamilton in 43%

      They started there because they were always having one of the best car on the grid if it isn’t the best (except 2009 for Hamilton)
      Funny i don’t know from where some people got the idea of Alonso isn’t a good qualifier
      if he can squeeze the car in all the race distance so how about a single lap
      Jarno Trulli was also a master over one lap

      1. Are you saying that Vettel had a great car at Toro Rosso? And Webber is a better qualifyer than Alonso, in fact much better.

        Funny i don’t know from where some people got the idea of Alonso isn’t a good qualifier

        From his performances, I guess

        1. vuelve kowalsky
          22nd December 2012, 10:08

          the toro rosso was a good car. in fact, at monza when vettel won, given de right circumstances bourdais was on the pace, and could have been on the podium. Nobody wins in a bad car in f1, that’s a fact.

          1. Toro Rosso was a good car – so you think this year’s Ferrari was great?
            Anyway, what was I saying was that it was not just 2009 McLaren that wasn’t a one of the best cars on the grid.

          2. vuelve kowalsky – Except the telemetry showed Bourdais to be 43 seconds slower than Vettel in the race. Bourdais also started behind Webber, who wasn’t anywhere near the podium.

            Plus, if “Toro Rosso was a good car”, then how can anyone justify any of Hamilton’s cars, or any of Alonso’s cars as being bad cars?

      2. Notion that qualifying is his weak spot is ridiculous. It’s a matter of an impression one gets because Alonso didn’t have a real title challenger since 2007, and yet he always managed to make something out of every race, giving impression that he isn’t getting all out of the car in quali. Quite contrary, I think he is just as good in quali. Whenever car had the pace, he nailed it to the front. It’s just that Vettel’s car gives him quite a margin for error in quali. Alonso is quite good at delivering when it’s crunch time which is essential in quali.

        Each time this year, when it rained (when car had the pace), he got pole. In 2010, one mistake from Vettel in Singapore and Alonso was on pole. I think he’s actually better in quali then Vettel, but there’s too much difference in car’s pace between Ferrari and Red Bull. In 2006 and 2005 (before McLaren started dominating) he made sure to take pole at every race possible. I don’t remember from the top of my head, anyone else getting poles in 2005 except Alonso, Kimi and Montoya. Fisichella managed one in Australia when Alonso was caught by the rain in the old quali format. I still remember his lap in Monza in 2006, driving without much of the right rear bodywork, setting a 5th time, just over 3 tenths slower then pole position.

        1. Notion that qualifying is his weak spot is ridiculous.

          All the data says that qualifying is his weakness. Alonso says so himself, and some people won’t even take HIS word for it. Hamilton in his rookie year comprehensively beat Alonso in qualifying.

          In 2006 and 2005 (before McLaren started dominating) he made sure to take pole at every race possible.

          He took six poles in 2005 and six in 2006, which isn’t a lot in WDC winning years That was his high-water mark – since Hamilton and Vettel came on the scene he’s been pushed further down the grid.

          there’s too much difference in car’s pace between Ferrari and Red Bull.

          Do you have even the slightest shred of evidence for that claim? The way some people go on about how fast the Red Bull’s are one might think we were still living in the 1990’s and the cars were essentially unregulated.

      3. @tifoso1989

        Vettel was beaten by Webber 9 times this season in qualifying

        …which shows two things. 1) Webber is a very good qualifier (I’d as better than Alonso) and 2) Vettel is even better than Webber. I don’t think there’s much of a claim for stating anything other than Hamilton and Vettel are clearly the best two qualifiers on the current F1 grid, as I’m sure Hamilton will prove next year with Mercedes (not that he needs to) by likely beating Alonso regularly (unless of course the performance gap is too significant).

        1. If he was beaten 9 times by Webber this year so why Webber doesn’t figure in your list of the best qualifiers who are “clearly ahead” in qualifying

          1. Well, Webber is clearly ahead of Alonso in qualifying.
            Comparing him to Vettel, think of 2011 too.

          2. @tifoso1989 – what I said was Webber is a very good qualifier (I’d say better than Alonso as it is his “Achilles heel”) and the fact Vettel and Hamilton are better still makes them the best qualifiers. If I have a top 2 every time it will contain those two drivers.

  3. The two major problems Alonso had at Mclaren were, the Englkish press, and Briatore who wanted him back.
    In 2007, drivers qualified with race fuel, this meant one driver qualified with more fuel, and one driver had the optimal race strategy, which was Alonso.
    Alonso was rattled by Hamilton’s speed and he wasn’t used to a driver battling with him for position.
    Alonso was the lead driver. Hamilton was promised equality, the team just didn’t expect him to be that fast.

  4. “I think he drove well this year, there’s no question about that, he’s doing a good job on that, but when somebody does something like that you lose respect for them.”

    Yes sir, thats right! And remember also 2008 crash of Piquet on purpose in Singapore so the spaniard can win the race. And this year that unbeliable 5 grid penalty to Massa!
    You can not tespect a driver like Alonso anymore.

    1. You sound so offended.

      1. Of course! A driver like Alonso is a shame for motorsports.

        1. @jorgelardone I have only seen you post the exact same thing on all topics concerning Fernando Alonso. Never do you credit him, only bringing up the 2008 Singapore GP. As I pointed out to you three times before: Fernando Alonso was never prosecuted for his part in the crash, had no previous knowledge (Ruled by a judge and jury) and expressed his surprise in the press conference afterwards. The fact it was his team that were behind it has no reflection on him as a man.

          I can list negatives about almost every driver that raced in formula 1 in terms of why they are not the greatest etc but to hold this against Alonso is stupid. Provide me with one fact, any source you can find, that Alonso was responsible and knew about the crash beforehand.

          As for the tactics at Austin, they were pretty simple to follow. It made sense for the team and for the championship, if you can not understand that then you are better off not watching F1. To deprive yourself of watching an all-time great due to mis-inform is the only shameful thing i can see here.

        2. Did you lose respect for Lewis after liegate, or after Spa?

          1. Alonso wanted to post in India on twitter how he still drove with the same rear wing as in May because Pat Fry said that Alonso should have qualify better, so what is your point exactly and yes Alonso is bad for the sport period!

        3. @jorgelardone – Oh, come on. While Alonso is hardly an angel, there are hardly any champions that can be described as “angels”. Although I understand that the Singapore debacle can leave a bitter taste in the mouth, it wasn’t proven that Alonso knew about Flavio/Piquet Jr’s plan. Though Alonso’s behaviour in 2007 was fairly poor, I don’t see how that makes him a shame to motorsport in general.

  5. I would take Kimi and Hamilton.
    What Vettel sometimes seems to lack in emotional maturity, Hamilton makes up in driving. And Kimi is the best.

    As for Alonso, from braketests he gave Coulthart and Doornbos, the smell of treason out of being a sore loser at McLaren, not denouncing his Singapore win, not being able to pass petrov, needing teamorders, gearbox changes to win…
    But the man surely can drive anything! However, never in my dreamteam.

  6. To all offended moralists, I suppose no one remembers this.

    But it’s important to put an act for TV, not to be direct like Alonso, because no one likes straight talking people if they have a different point of view.

    1. @brace – that’s hardly a huge incident. I think perhaps that was mind games in combination with the fact that Vettel wanted to make sure he had position on track. It’s not as if he was intentionally blocking or anything.

  7. (first to say, I don’t think McLaren should have been punish even as half as they did for spygate, nor that Alonso should have received a penalty for Hungary quali)

    I can’t really figure out where all these moralists stand.

    If you go by what Ron said (only one who actually knows what happened besides Alonso), he also said that Alonso retracted what he said just moments after.

    And besides that, McLaren did have Ferrari documents, which Alonso had nothing to do with. He neither took them from Ferrari, nor brought them to McLaren.

    So I’m confused, how is Ron Dennis looking like a good guy in this and Alonso like a bad one?
    Also, Ron saying he didn’t know about those, is just **. Half a team knew about it, if not the whole Woking.

    Alonso never snitched on McLaren either. Ron Dennis came to Mosley himself and I don’t see how that was something bad caused by Alonso, if McLaren indeed had Ferrari documents.

    Alonso never really did anything in 2007 except holding stationary in the pits, waiting for a perfect time for final Q3 run, which incidentally prevented Hamilton from completing his final lap, since he broke an agreement, which sent him out of sync with Alonso. Hamilton then proceeded to swear at Ron Dennis, which is perfectly fine it seems.

    British media are masters of **** spinning and if you step back and look at the fact, it’s obvious that Alonso and Ron didn’t have a common goal anymore, since their argument practically put them on the opposite sides, which only harmed Alonso’s chances with McLaren, not much more than that.

    Vettel and Hamilton were basically driving in their daddy’s teams since they came to F1, which is completely different from Alonso’s position. He had to go to completely new environment each time and earn his position.
    But when your boss is like a daddy to your teammate, you know that there will be preferential treatment, even unintentionally.
    Supportive atmosphere is very important and both Hamilton and Vettel abused their position more then once, at expense of their teammates.

    McLaren knew how hard they screwed Alonso, that they went out of their way to make sure to show to public that both drivers will be treated equally when Button joined.

    Alonso is also much more sincere in his talk and perhaps more politically savvy, which is a good thing, since he could have handled 2007 better if he knew back then what he knows now.

    I never cared for the people I admire to bend over themselves to please the others. I do however, among other things, admire them because they are true to themselves even at the expense of being disliked by many.

    As the famous saying goes: “It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for something you are not.”
    I admire him because he’s refusing to put on an act just to satisfy hypocritical and shallow public who think they own him or something and who are “offended” by curse words on TV or nudity in art.

    We can all be better people then we are, but we need to be better because of the people close to us, who deserve it, people who wouldn’t be damning us for who we are in the first place.

    In other words, Alonso owes nothing to the haters, while on the other hand, it’s clear to see that every year, he is being a better man for his team.

    To close it with one more proverb, which shows why I admire Alonso as a man (as far as I can get to know him), and not Hamilton and Vettel:
    “If you didn’t try so hard to be liked by everyone, maybe you would have been truly liked by a few.”

    Go Fernando!

    1. @brace

      when your boss is like a daddy to your team mate, you know that there will be preferential treatment, even unintentionally.

      At the Monaco Grand Prix McLaren gave one of their drivers more fuel in qualifying than the other. The lighter car naturally qualified ahead.

      Then during the race the driver with the heavier car was not allowed to use his strategic advantage to run longer in an attempt to jump ahead of his team mate.

      Your lengthy discourse on the evils you imagine McLaren committed in 2007 would lead anyone unfamiliar with the situation to assume that the driver who got the lighter car in qualifying at Monaco – the “preferential treatment” – was Hamilton. It wasn’t: Alonso was given a lighter car in qualifying then Hamilton was prevented from beating him on strategy.

      Example such as this categorically disprove your vague, unsubstantiated and obviously nonsensical assertion that McLaren chose to hire a two-times world champion and then seize every opportunity to undermine him. (See this article from the time)

      The fact is Alonso wasn’t the only driver to be taken by surprise by how competitive Hamilton was in 2007. Even Ron Dennis told Hamilton before the year began to expect Alonso would be half a second quicker than him.

      1. You really managed to put words in my mouth that I never said.

        Ron Dennis didn’t expect it, and that’s where the problems started. He said one thing to Alonso, not expecting that it could turn out to be any other way, but then couldn’t stick to the plan coldheartedly, when he saw how good Hamilton is. I suppose, at the start he tried to give both of them what they wanted, but that inevitably meant he was telling them both what they wanted to hear, while it was impossible to make it in reality for both in the same time.

        I actually downplayed much that happened that year and I said that preferential treatment wasn’t even intentional in the beginning but Ron got carried away listening to his heart instead of his head at times.

        Alonso, not being sentimental about Hamilton, seen it differently, although he (as I also stated above) could have gone about it better too, which would have been much better for him in the first place.

        You can make case that they could have walked to championship any way they wanted if they did it properly, but Ron Dennis is the only one who did have it in his job description to know how to manage that situation. Neither Alonso nor Hamilton are supposed to be good managers. Dennis on the other hand IS supposed to be one.
        So you gotta lay blame at his feet for letting it all go to waste.

        They thought they hit the jackpot when they had Kimi + Juan, but that lineup hardly made any fireworks and fell short of most of expectations.
        It was actually Alonso + Hamilton that turned out to be the Senna + Prost combination that they craved. Sadly it turned out even worse for McLaren then the last one.

        Next year they will have Button and Perez and there’s no way one can look at it and think this isn’t a far cry from what Alonso and Hamilton paring could have been.

  8. Perfectly respectable opinion by JS.
    As respectable would be “My preferred drivers are Hamilton and Alonso, Vettel not because I do not like blond people” or “Alonso and Vettel because I dislike British drivers” or anything along those lines.
    But those qualities are irrelevant to the drivers skills.
    What you like, what you dislike, what lo love, what you hate will always play a role in your choosing, but in your sub-concious self, that you might rationalise afterwards.
    Saying it loud is, well…… funny….

  9. Jody Scheckter just said my words,for sure Alonso,Vettel & Hamilton are the 3 best driver but like him Alonso doesn’t deserve my respect to what he did in 2007.

  10. Mr. Scheckter is judging Alonso for what he thinks he knows, but does he know all the truth, not only the McLaren truth?.
    Someday we will know what happen in 2007, maybe when Alonso retires.

  11. That is JS´s opinion and is entitled to it… but seriously… what is the point??? Why bring out 2007??? To me it seems that this is the begining of a campain to tarnish what Alonso did this season…
    I have a feeling that this is just somebody´s way of trying to make him look bad…. Nobody really knows what truly happened in McLaren in 2007…. Maybe one day we will find out but to come out and say something like this…. it is not only rubbish and superfluous….. but it shows a degree of ignorance and a desire of trying to make people bring out their “battle axes” out and start chopping at a really dead horse…. It just seems like a very LOW blow to take….
    I guess some people are upset that most fans are still talking about what a great season Alonso had and not so much about the “3 times wdc”… just saying.

    My Opinion and I know I´m entitled to it as well as many others that have expressed theirs here.

  12. Klaas de Vries
    23rd December 2012, 9:08

    Check your facts Keith, both Hamilton and Alonso were pitted earlier than planned before the race because the team feared another safety car period (during which they weren’t allowed to pit in 2007). The fact was stated at that time but I guess it wasn’t really taken into account by the media because it spoiled the ‘story’.

    See this article from the time

    Are you serious when you base your argument on a reference to YOURSELF?

    1. both Hamilton and Alonso were pitted earlier than planned before the race

      That does not make what I stated incorrect.

      And I am not “basing an argument on a reference from myself”, I am referring someone to an article where I have already outlined the argument I wish to make.

      1. Klaas de Vries
        23rd December 2012, 10:09

        That does not make what I stated incorrect.

        Yes, it does. You said that Hamilton wasn’t allowed to win on strategy – the only way to win on strategy at that time was to get in front of your teammate after the pit-stop. That would have been the case if they pitted Alonso by the original programme and only changed the plans with Hamilton. And McLaren’s actions actually made sense because they wanted to prevent – with both drivers – what happened at the next race with Alonso. But because it was the Evil Spaniard that won and the British media’s dream story about the Proud British rookie getting his first win at the glamourous Monaco GP was ruined, they decided to pour all the frustration with a lame McLaren team-order scandal (in which they totally distorted the facts).
        Both Alonso and Hamilton might have shared equal machinery but as a TP said: when Hamilton was getting a pole everyone at McLaren were jumping and screaming, when it was Alonso – there were only forced smiles – and that matters a lot. And that’s what I think @brace meant by ‘driving thair daddy’s teams advantage’.

        1. The only way your explanation makes sense is if McLaren did not put several laps more fuel in Hamilton’s car, which is not true, or if they only realised after qualifying that it was possible that the safety car might be deployed during the race, which is ridiculous.

          You don’t need to tell me some in the media went overboard with the spin because I said as much at the time. But it doesn’t change the facts of what happened.

          All the ‘evil Spaniard/McLaren didn’t celebrate when Alonso won’ stuff is just silly. The facts amply refute the patent nonsense that McLaren hired a two-times world champion and then endeavoured to undermine him at every opportunity.

          Everything else I have to say on this is covered here:

          Alonso is not the victim of a McLaren conspiracy

  13. Absolute agree, Alonso is mostly overhyped by the media and his fans, the fact is Alonso is simply bad for the sport, look how Ferrari had to handicap Massa just to make Alonso look good and look what he caused Renault and don’t tell me that Alonso did not knew about the plan because one lap before that crash happend Alonso came in the pits. I never bought the out perform the car nonsense, Alonso had been lucky the whole season

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