Webber: Vettel will be ‘protected’ in team orders row

2013 Malaysian Grand Prix

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Sepang, 2013Mark Webber said there will be no repercussions for Sebastian Vettel after disobeyed an order not to pass him during the Malaysian Grand Prix.

Vettel was running behind Webber in the final stint of the race when he passed Webber for the lead, going on to win.

“I was controlling the race and getting everything in place really towards the back end of the race. Obviously I had to make Lewis off a little bit in the middle there.

“After the last stop obviously the team told me that the race was over and we turn the engines down and we go to the end. I want to race as well but in the end the team made a decision which we always say before the start of the race is probably how it’s going to be. We look after the tyres, get the car to the end.”

“In the end Seb made his own decisions today and will have protection as usual and that’s the way it goes.”

Christian Horner said: “I’m not quite sure what he means by that,” when asked about Webber’s remarks.

Horner confirmed the drivers had been told to hold position after the final pit stop: “For us the most important thing for us was to win this race. We’ve done that, we’ve achieved a one-two finish. We gave strict instructions to both cars after the final stop.

“Of course Mark’s going to be aggrieved by it but the instructions were clear, they were clear for all to hear, and the drivers have taken it into their own hands.”

Vettel refused to be drawn on the subject following the podium ceremony, saying: “I think obviously it’s very hot today and if there’s something to say we need to talk internally.

“For sure I think we both enjoyed that. Of course I’m standing in the middle now so I enjoyed the podium a little bit more. But I think we have plenty of time to talk about.”

Team advisor Helmut Marko said the situation “got out of control”:

“It was Christian [Horner] who said we have to look after the tyres and stay in position,” he added. “But then I don’t know how… he was immediately behind him and then there was a race and at this stage you can’t talk to race drivers.”

“The team will have a word because we have to control the drivers. It’s not like at Mercedes where it’s clear number one and number two, basically we treat the drivers the same.”

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244 comments on Webber: Vettel will be ‘protected’ in team orders row

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  1. Kully said on 24th March 2013, 10:44

    Lol bringing up Mercedes to deflect. And you might not say it now, but Marko you always had a number one

  2. Dimitris 1395 (@dimitris-1395) said on 24th March 2013, 10:45

    Is Helmut Marko not compassionately defending Vettel? I had to look twice to believe it.

  3. AmirAnuar (@amiranuar) said on 24th March 2013, 10:45

    clearly vettel is the number one driver…. why do they keep denying it

    • If it’s so clear to you, why is it still not clear to Webber after all those years?

      I’ve lost count of how many times he was “telling it like it is”, how many times he was railing and fuming, how many times he used harsh words against some injustice within the team.

      But, surprise, surprise, in the end this stand-up kind of guy is always back in the same position: kowtowing, swallowing everything and coming to heel. Doesn’t action speak louder than words?

      • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 24th March 2013, 11:09

        Where else would Webber get a seat in a car where he had a chance of winning races? Sadly for Mark, as much as he has been potentially wronged today, he isn’t quick/consistant enough for a top drive anywhere else.

      • Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 24th March 2013, 11:33

        I think it’s clear to Mark, he’s just shows respect to the people that pay his salary and give him a car to drive. Oh and a little professionalism.

    • mnmracer (@mnmracer) said on 24th March 2013, 11:26

      How is it clear after a race where Red Bull favored Webber?

      • montreal95 (@montreal95) said on 24th March 2013, 16:50

        @mnmracer How did they favor Webber exactly? Vettel lost the lead by his decision to go to slicks too early. Then after the pitstops were over the drivers were required to bring the cars home as was agreed before the race with that stupid code(why do they use codes anyway when team orders are allowed?). So while the team didn’t favor SV during the race, they definitely didn’t do MW any favors. He was leading on merit.

        And after the race, SV will get his usual protection from Helmet and all will be forgiven(that’s what MW was referring to IMO)

        • Jarred Walmsley (@jarred-walmsley) said on 24th March 2013, 18:54

          I don’t think it was a coded message as much as it was one of their strategy plans which always have code names to refer to, simply so other teams won’t immediately know their plans

        • mnmracer (@mnmracer) said on 25th March 2013, 6:44

          How did the team NOT favor Webber? They gave Vettel two team-orders. Earlier in the race he was told not to overtake Webber, and then AGAIN after the final pitstops. Webber would have been leading on merit if he fought off Vettel earlier, but he team used team-orders to prevent a fight.

    • electrolite (@electrolite) said on 24th March 2013, 12:37

      They then have a dig at Mercedes in the process as well.

  4. FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 10:46

    Vettel just won my respect and Rosberg completely lost it.
    I don’t think Senna, Prost or Piquet would have done any less than Vettel, and that is why they all have 3 titles on their belts.

    • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 10:47

      *at least 3, in Prosts case*

      • Jake (@jakehardyf1) said on 24th March 2013, 10:48

        Yet Mark obeys 2011 Silverstone for the good of the team.

        • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 10:49

          He should not have obeyed. Massa should not have obeyed. That’s when you get marked as a weakling for the rest of your career.

          • wsrgo (@wsrgo) said on 24th March 2013, 10:56

            +1..SV did a great job today and should be commended for what. MW’s ire should be directed at his team and his own useless self….

          • Nomore (@nomore) said on 24th March 2013, 10:57

            the problem is :
            if Vettel don’t obeys: it’s fine…bla, bla, bla with the team and we discuss internally bla, bla, bla
            If Webber don’t obeys: he’s fired.

            Same with Massa

          • Traverse (@) said on 24th March 2013, 10:58

            @flig
            Too right mate. That’s why Ham, Vet and Alonso are No.1 drivers and WDC. A true racer yields to no man.

          • F1fanNL (@) said on 24th March 2013, 11:07

            @nomore

            That explains Webber got another contract after that incident… And another the year AFTER that…

          • clay (@clay) said on 24th March 2013, 13:52

            Rubbish. Gilles Villeneuve is definitely no weakling yet what was the incident that led to him eventually being killed in the following race – Imola 1982, where Didier Pironi IGNORED TEAM ORDERS TO HOLD POSITION, passed GV and won the race. And what does the world of F1 think of that incident? Do we all think that Pironi is a true racer? No, we all think he’s a tool.
            What this shows is the measure of the man Vettel is. Whenever it has suited him in the past he has been happy to have Mark follow him home according to pre-arranged deals. Now the circumstances change and all of a sudden those rules do not apply? Pre-race deals about holding position if possible after the final stop are commonplace. Newey was clearly not happy in the waiting room before the podium ceremony, and Mark made his feelings very clear on the podium. This has simply confirmed what I have always suspected about Vettel – when things do not go his way he acts like an absolute spoiled child. To be frank Mark should have jumped at Ferrari when he had the chance. At least there the heirachy is publicly defined…

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 17:27

            @clay

            Pre-race deals about holding position if possible after the final stop are commonplace.

            How do you know one was applied here, but not at Silverstone?

          • jim (@jimjohnny) said on 24th March 2013, 22:09

            I think you just hit the nail on the head.

        • MNM101 (@mnm101) said on 24th March 2013, 10:55

          he didnt obey at all, he even admitted it, he just couldnt pass him

        • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 24th March 2013, 11:00

          @jakehardyf1 thing is… he didn’t, and he said so at the time.

        • F1fanNL (@) said on 24th March 2013, 11:05

          @jakehardyf1

          Yeah… No, not really.

        • electrolite (@electrolite) said on 24th March 2013, 12:17

          I was going to say, I think he was thinking back to when he’d done the same.

    • TMF (@tmf42) said on 24th March 2013, 10:56

      I’m with you on that one.

    • Marucat (@marucat) said on 24th March 2013, 11:05

      So you admire dishonesty? If Vettel didn’t want to follow team orders he shouldn’t have agreed to them before the race. And by your reasoning legends like Fangio and Giilles Villeneuve would be called weaklings.

      • dirgegirl (@dirgegirl) said on 24th March 2013, 11:13

        @marucat – you don’t have to admire it to think that for Seb and his championship hopes it was the right thing to do.

        • Marucat (@marucat) said on 24th March 2013, 12:13

          So you’re saying ignoring the team orders you’ve agreed to while at the same time demanding from your team to get Webber out of your way is ok because it’s best for Seb and his championship chances (critical in the second race of the season)? That I’m supposed to respect dishonesty and egoism because they’re serving a driver’s cause to be the best?
          To each their own, but I prefer to respect drivers who don’t have to resort to that kind of behavior, even if that means they won’t win any championships while others win 7.

          • dirgegirl (@dirgegirl) said on 24th March 2013, 13:14

            No one (least of all me) is asking you to respect anything or anyone. I am merely pointing out that Seb came out better off in terms of the championship (and fans were better off in terms of the spectacle) than if the drivers had held station as they were until the end of the race. So I can understand why Vettel acted as he did, even if I don’t particularly like his actions.

            Oh, and championship points do not care about “respect”.

          • N7 (@m77) said on 24th March 2013, 13:15

            +1

          • montreal95 (@montreal95) said on 24th March 2013, 19:32

            @dirgegirl Webber should have put him in that pit-wall for this betrayal. He wasn’t obliged to give him that car’s length since he wasn’t weaving. Yeah that would be some fun for the fans, right? On the other hand, an overtake made by treachery against a driver who turned the engine down is not enjoyable at all. It’s like watching a boxer fight where one of them has a hand tied behind his back. SV made himself look like an **** today big time

      • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 11:19

        How do you know what Vettel agreed to or not? How can you be sure he ever looked into Webber’s eyes and said “I won’t try to overtake you if you are leading after the final pit stop.”? I doubt that ever happened.

        • Nomore (@nomore) said on 24th March 2013, 11:29

          @flig
          when someone says : “we wiil discuss internally”
          ..this mean that it’s something we can’t discuss publically…

        • Marucat (@marucat) said on 24th March 2013, 11:47

          Are you really trying to argue that Vettel didn’t know about team orders? Both Horner and Marko have stated that it was decided before the race that whoever leads after the final pit stop would stay ahead. And Vettel wasnt shy about demanding from the team to order Mark out of his way earlier in the race either.

          I personally think team orders are rubbish, if you can’t overtake your teammate you don’t deserve to be in front of him, but that’s not the point. Vettel agreed and then decided to not keep to his word (or conveniently forgot about it) when it suited him. I don’t know what’s to respect about that. Especially since Vettel is obviously talented enough to win without resorting to dishonesty.

      • Andover_Tabler said on 24th March 2013, 11:29

        I can’t understand anyone defending Vettel. The two drivers drive for one team and they have to follow instruction. Much as I would love to see team orders banned again (and, perhaps, pit to car radios with them), you can’t have one team member disregarding the instructions given. Personally, I think Vettel should be treated to a holiday and Sebastien Buemi given a drive in China.

        • JerseyF1 (@jerseyf1) said on 24th March 2013, 21:33

          I would love Red Bull to replace Vettel for a race as punishment. The problem is (and Vettel knows it) that Red Bull would never do that for several reasons. Not least because it is Vettel who has secured the last three drivers championships and scored a large chunk of their points in the constructors, without Vettel they would have a lot fewer championship titles than they now enjoy.

          Red Bull need to keep Vettel happy more than they need to keep Webber happy as Vettel will be in demand from the other big teams whereas Webber needs to fight to hold on to a top seat. Now that the old Massa seems to be on his way back Webber’s only decent exit, other than retirement, is closed.

          I thought that Vettel’s behavious was disgraceful but I suspect he knew all along that he could get away with it, but boy did I enjoy the wheel to wheel racing. The big risk for him is that he now has to try to win his fourth title without any support from his team-mate (with a risk of being intentionally hindered by Webber). That could cost him more than the extra 7 points he made up with his actions today.

    • N7 (@m77) said on 24th March 2013, 11:05

      As @nomore says, drivers such as Vettel, Hamilton, probably even through to Senna and Prost could disobey orders and would probably get a telling off, but ultimately no more would come of it. Were Massa, Webber or Rosberg to do similar they’d be out of the team

    • Spanky Speed (@spankyspeed) said on 24th March 2013, 11:32

      You fail to realize one thing, back then there was not NEARLY as much money on the line than nowadays.
      The reason why Vettel is allowed to sit in an F1 car is not only because he is a great driver, it’s mainly because companies are willing to puour hundreds of millions of Euros into this project and they hired him as their driver.
      Apparently he has not much respect for the people who gave him the job.

      • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 11:41

        Because he is a racer, not a prostitute.

        • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 11:43

          (With that I mean that he apparently risks his income and stability within the team in order to WIN, instead of doing what he is told for money. Of course, there’s the small matter of “protection”, which Alonso also has, but I think they have won that with sheer speed, not anything else.)

          • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 11:48

            (I’m not a big Vettel fan, or wasn’t, so you can be sure I also see the different treatment he gets, and I’m afraid he wouldn’t have the guts to do it if he was in Webber’s boots, but… he is in his own boots, and can do it.)

        • @flig

          Because he is a racer, not a prostitute.

          COTY! :D

      • Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 24th March 2013, 11:43

        Thanks @spankyspeed! @flig Are you following? Wether or not Vettel agreed is not even a question, it’s a decision made by his employer. If he had any respect for his team and the hundreds of ppl who work on those cars, he might of listened. I don’t agree with team orders, but unfortunately they are a reality that’s destroying racing as we know it.
        True racer or not, team orders destroyed this race.

        • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 11:45

          I’ll give you that, but I rather have a racer who has respect for the fans (thus RACING as hard as possible) than a man who follows money’s orders.

          • Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 24th March 2013, 11:52

            It’s a dbl edged sword, I personally don’t know why Mark didn’t have a go back at him? We heard Sebs radio, but not Marks so we don’t really know what was said, but Mark’s reaction tells me he felt let down by the team and Seb. It’s robbing us of good racing, but at least these two had a battle, the comments made to Nico were ridiculous and embarrassing for Lewis. Lewis knew and should of pulled over. But once again team orders

          • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 11:54

            Yes, I think Webber – Vettel is not as bad as what happened to Rosberg. That was just ridiculous, and honestly… Ross Brawn doesn’t really care about racing, he cares about taking trophies and money home.

          • RIckP said on 24th March 2013, 22:19

            Well without the money put into creating the car, managing the car, getting the car to the race tracks around the world SV wouldn’t be there. If you think that SV is within his rights to disobey direct instructions from his owners or bosses then I think you a sorely mistaken. The right thing for him to do is to respect the decisions of his employer – you know they guy/girl that gives him his job and pays his wages.

            If SV thinks he can disobey team orders when he wants, then maybe he should go out and put his own car and team together – put his own money on the line. Then I would agree he could follow or ignore his own decisions as he sees fit.

        • wsrgo (@wsrgo) said on 24th March 2013, 14:01

          @FunkyF1 So did you side with Ferrari after the 2010 German GP???

    • mskii (@mskii) said on 24th March 2013, 11:57

      There comes a point when ‘win at all costs’ mentality is childish and immature. Which your hero Senna certainly was; only now worshiped thanks to the equally childish obsession with the dead. To be so committed to this mentality really bring out the unsportsmanlike inner-egotist, which is a condition these pampered F1 drivers seem to suffer from. It’s also supposed to be team sport. After-all, half the reason Senna Prost and Vettel achieved your adoration is because superior equipment was handed them on a plate.

      • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 12:04

        My favorite was always Piquet, and I disliked Senna at times. And now I take it all back, with the new statements from Vettel. This just sucks.

      • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 17:33

        @mskii

        After-all, half the reason Senna Prost and Vettel achieved your adoration is because superior equipment was handed them on a plate.

        I disagree- they ended up with championship winning equipment because they performed well in non-superior cars. That’s largely how it works with the top teams- the cream rises to the top.

  5. Jake (@jakehardyf1) said on 24th March 2013, 10:46

    Webber @ British GP 2011; does as he is told despite faster pace…

    Vettel completely opposite. THIS is why I am a Webber fan.

    • NickV (@nickv) said on 24th March 2013, 10:51

      Totally agree and dont forget Silverstone 2010 quali as well

    • Alex (@smallvizier) said on 24th March 2013, 10:51

      @jakehardyf1 – that’s not true.

      At Silverstone in 2011, Webber tried to overtake, but failed. In his own words, “I ignored the team and I was battling to the end.”

      Vettel has taken exactly the same decision as Webber. I agree with you that this is not how a good team works, but it is an issue common to both drivers.

      • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 24th March 2013, 11:14

        Vettel has taken exactly the same decision as Webber

        double standard,if he ignores team orders why he was whining at his team to let him pass Webber “Mark is too slow, get him out of the way !!!!!”

        • Guilherme (@guilherme) said on 24th March 2013, 11:23

          @tifoso1989 What of it? I didn’t like it either, even more so as Seb is my favourite driver, but the team didn’t swap places, they didn’t instruct Webber to slow down – quite the contrary, they told Webber of Vettel’s pace and he started to lap quicker.

          I don’t want to get this personal, but don’t get me started on whining – Alonso has also done that many times.

          • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 24th March 2013, 11:32

            Alonso has also done that many times.

            Exactly That is why i mentioned it because for some people it always “diabolic” when it comes from Ferrari

    • Sumedh said on 24th March 2013, 10:56

      Webber didn’t do as told at Silverstone 2011. He tried to overtake Vettel inspite of team orders.Just as Vettel today.

      Only difference is that Webber failed that day but Vettel succeeded today.

    • 91jb12 (@91jb12) said on 24th March 2013, 11:07

      Rubbish- Did you not see Webber attacking Vettel in the last 3 laps of that race, he wasn’t gonna staty behind him.
      Webber gets all this nice guy sympathy and I don’t know why- he raced for himself at Brazil last year and almost cost Seb a title.
      Vettel surely knew the score and his ego got the better of him, but all this uproar just because its Seb is nauseating!

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 24th March 2013, 13:04

        I think that in that case the difference might have been BOTH drivers ignoring the team who told them to slow down and that might be why Webber couldn’t catch Vettel.

    • Howard (@howard) said on 24th March 2013, 11:19

      Too right mate!

    • @jakehardyf1 Webber is being such a hypocrite.The truth of the matter is that Webber is just not good enough for equal status at RB,he is number two and he knows it.If he was good enough he would leave RB for some other top team,but guess what,none of the top teams want him,because he’s not good enough.He likes to be at the top team scoring big points,but cant take it when Vettel beats him.Well you can’t have your cake and eat it too.And the team does not help the situation with there founey equel status story.As for halfass apology,if Vettel is gonna ignore team order and go for the win,he should own up to the situation,and not apologise to Webber.And if he’s going to do it,he should apologise for being faster then Webber.

  6. Eggry (@eggry) said on 24th March 2013, 10:48

    the protection. that’s the point. Webber and Vettel both ignored team orders but only Vettel passed Webber dangerously. Remember 2011 Silverstone. Webber never threat Vettel as Vettel did today. the difference is the protection. if Webber did it, then Webber would lost the seat in 2012 but I’m sure Red Bull simply cannot punish Vettel while Webber should yield somehow. That’s the end of story. Great job Red Bull. Your PR effort is ruined in a couple of minutes.

    • @eggry – so Vettel’s move was dangerous but Webber pushing him right up against the pit walk isn’t? I think the one thing it wasn’t was dangerous though – they always gave each other enough room and have done so always since Turkey 2010.

      if Webber did it, then Webber would lost the seat in 2012 but I’m sure Red Bull simply cannot punish Vettel while Webber should yield somehow.

      What a ridiculous statement. Red Bull aren’t out to get their own drivers and have shown their dissatisfaction at Vettel’s antics, so why would that change with Webber? I think you’re basing your opinions in the team purely on Marko, which gives a far from accurate representation.

      Despite this, why would they want to break up a driver line-up that has yielded the triple double, with a lead driver who’s arguably the best in the world?

      • Misteryoso said on 25th March 2013, 11:42

        with a lead driver who’s arguably the best in the world?

        50% of the credit goes to Newey. If Vettel has a dog of a car underneath him (like the F2012 – it was more than a second off the pace at the start of the 2012 season) and performs like Alonso last year, then he would earn my respect as the best driver. Until then, I would always look at him as a champion being carried on a shoulder by Newey.

        Just my opinion btw.

      • Misteryoso said on 25th March 2013, 11:45

        with a lead driver who’s arguably the best in the world?

        50% of the credit goes to Newey. If Vettel has a dog of a car underneath him (like the F2012 – it was more than a second off the pace at the start of the 2012 season) and performs like Alonso last year, then he would earn my respect as the best driver. Until then, I would always look at him as a champion being carried on a shoulder by Newey.

        Just my opinion btw.

    • Alex (@smallvizier) said on 24th March 2013, 10:58

      @eggry – here’s another way of looking at it. When Webber ignored team orders in 2011, he wasn’t punished (or at least, not publicly). If Vettel is publically punished, wouldn’t that be double standards?

      I do believe that teams should work as teams. I have agreed with many of Ferrari’s orders and I understand where both Red Bull and Mercedes were coming from today. However I also believe in consistency and I think that’s been lacking today.

      Many fans who backed Webber’s ‘rebellion’ two years ago are now condemning Vettel today. Why? Well, really they just like one driver more than the other.

      We expect teams to treat their drivers fairly, but as fans we’re not doing the same.

      • Eggry (@eggry) said on 24th March 2013, 11:02

        @smallvizierWebber never really made Vettel in danger while today Vettel almost crash with Webber(well, could be another Turkey 2010). Webber is known as an aggressive driver but he didn’t go aggressive due to team order situation+not enough fast to pass easily. Webber tried to pass but not as hard as Vettel did today because the difference of the protection. even if Vettel crashed with Webber today, I don’t think the team could do something to punish Vettel.(Again, Turkey 2010)

        • F1fanNL (@) said on 24th March 2013, 11:11

          @eggry

          If Webber had been in Vettel’s position today he would have tried the exact same thing Vettel did. I know it, you know it and Webber especially knows it.

          This hypocrisy needs to stop now. They’re racing drivers, they want to win no matter what they’re told.

        • @eggry – they weren’t going to crash – if you watch the Red Bull Racing story, you’d see that they always give each other enough room after Turkey – firm but fair, which is great for viewing is it not?

          • Eggry (@eggry) said on 24th March 2013, 11:20

            @vettel1 yeah, it might be. What really makes me disgusting is actually Vettel and Red Bull’s comments and hypocrisy.

          • @eggry – he has admitted he was wrong to disobey the orders so from that it’s just opinio really whether you agree with his actions or not – I do because I think he was fast enough for the win over Webber, but I don’t like team orders so I’d obviously say that.

          • Eggry (@eggry) said on 24th March 2013, 11:25

            @vettel1 “I didn’t do it deliberately” is the best comment since “That wasn’t me” of Schumacher. I don’t think that’s good way to apologise…

  7. I think Mark overreacted a bit. The team made it clear that they were quite angry with Vettel, so I don’t think he is going to get a lot of protection.

  8. These comments seem a bit pathetic to me. Answer him on track Webber, don’t cry about it to the press.

    • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 10:51

      +1. 2nd drivers should either stop complaining when they are treated like 2nd drivers, or they should stop being 2nd drivers and attack.

    • Eggry (@eggry) said on 24th March 2013, 10:52

      Don’t cry about it on radio either.

    • paul2013 said on 24th March 2013, 10:54

      How? The team changed his engine configuration he was not allowed to fight on the track, that’s simple … Well it is not team orders nor fair.

      • ivz (@ivz) said on 24th March 2013, 11:05

        Vettel needed to pass Webber when he was complaining that Mark was too slow. Then all this would have been avoided.
        Another thing I don’t get though, is Webber had the hard tyres that looked perfectly fine with the first stint on slicks, but pitted what seemed to be a couple of laps too early, I guess to get the under cut. Can’t help but think with these tyres you need to do what Kimi did In Melbourne, be patient.

      • Sviatoslav Andrushko (@) said on 24th March 2013, 11:07

        I remember, same was in Turkey 2010. Some fans has ridiculous opinions and they even try to look impartial.
        Just think of it: second race of a season, and we don’t see Ferrari doing THAT with Massa. So, which team is dishonest now?

        • F1fanNL (@) said on 24th March 2013, 11:14

          @ibis

          You’ve already forgotten the incident between Massa and Alonso in China in 2010? That was the third race and Massa was leading the championship after Australia.

          Not a single word from Ferrari to Alonso. And the fans? They all agreed Massa was only “in the way”.

          How’s that for fair treatment.

          • F1fanNL (@) said on 24th March 2013, 11:17

            * Edit* Alonso was leading the championsip but was only 4 points ahead of Massa.

        • Liam Stroud (@comabvbsixx) said on 24th March 2013, 11:17

          Very good point! Yet, nobody’s going to see that.

    • Yup.. Run over Marko @ Shanghai in the Pit Lanes

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 24th March 2013, 11:02

      @vettel1 – I agree, Webber should ignore all team orders and attack Vettel as though he is any other driver from now on. If Vettel is leading the championship in the final race and Webber comes up behind him, he should be as agressive as he would against any other car.

      I think Webber has made a mistake in thinking that he has a team mate – he doesn’t and he has to learn very quickly that team orders mean nothing when driving a Red Bull. Look after yourself, not your “team mate”

      • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 11:07

        Precisely. And I would say that for Webber and Massa, this is a ‘last chance’. They are at the end of their careers, who wants to finish their F1 days being humiliated by their team mates even on the rare occasion that they might be faster? Just race like hell and show what you got, worst case scenario you go out with a bang, instead of the chubby pay check and the shame mark on your forehead.

        • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 24th March 2013, 11:12

          From what Mark was saying, I think this is going to be his last season. On that basis, he needs to go 100% flat out all year for himself. He can go out on a high or out on a low. Would it be a high for him if Vettel wins his 4th Championship? No.
          Come on Mark, make it happen for yourself from now on!

        • Howard (@howard) said on 24th March 2013, 11:24

          You make it sound so simple, Vettell is a highly protected species at RBR, Mark is not, it makes a huge difference.

      • @petebaldwin

        If Vettel is leading the championship in the final race and Webber comes up behind him, he should be as agressive as he would against any other car.

        I wouldn’t go as far as to say that (if he isn’t in championship contention himself) but that is a very adverse circumstance – on every other occasion absolutely he should just ignore them, as long as he doesn’t take out himself and Vettel in the process I have no problems with that whatsoever (and neither would almost every fan of F1). The team may not like it, but who cares frankly.

    • @Vettel1..

      You are right.. Webber should Stop crying and stop behaving like a victim all the time.. I dont blame Vettel for passing him coz Vettel looked faster of the two…..

      However I dont see people making too much of an issue of Vettel demanding over the team radio to let him past webber earlier in the race… I am wondering what would be the reaction Had that been Alonso asking the same thing …

    • David BR2 said on 24th March 2013, 12:14

      I think people are misreading the situation badly. The Red Bull team were seriously annoyed with Vettel, much more than I expected. This was before Webber had a chance to say much – it came from the team itself. Newey looked truly annoyed/disappointed. So what was the deal? Perhaps Red Bull have decided that this year Webber really finally does deserve an equal go at the championship. Vettel taking advantage cynically of team orders to control their pace /tyre wear really was a bit shoddy therefore. Hence the umbrage and Vettel’s hasty and rather full apology.

    • Akona Maqashalala (@maqashalala) said on 24th March 2013, 13:53

      He did answer on track, but the team (the bosses) told to him to chill out and bring the car home safely…

      Please guys see it for what it is…

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th March 2013, 0:33

      Max,that is an answer too far, the only reason Vettel was in a position to challenge Webber was that for several laps Webber had been following team orders to slow down to protect the engine and the tyres, Webber could have driven faster but was under orders not to. To launch a sneak attack on Webber like that just shows me the greedy, selfish, dishonest Seb of 2010 all over again. He is no gentleman and no amount of PR massaging will make me respect him again.

      Now that’s over, it was the best bit of racing I have seen for sometime, just a pity Webber wasn’t ready for it.

  9. Mike Dee (@mike-dee) said on 24th March 2013, 10:50

    Revenge for the start at Brazil 2012?

  10. dufus (@dufus) said on 24th March 2013, 10:50

    “In the end Seb made his own decisions today and will have protection as usual and that’s the way it goes.”

  11. Rooney (@rojov123) said on 24th March 2013, 10:51

    “It was Christian [Horner] who said we have to look after the tyres and stay in position,” he added. “But then I don’t know how… he was immediately behind him and then there was a race and at this stage you can’t talk to race drivers.”

    That is exactly what Webber meant.. If he was the one who had overtaken Vettel, Marko would have been all over his ****.

  12. paul2013 said on 24th March 2013, 10:51

    Webber was cheated by his team, that’s all. They changed his engine config and they made him lose the race.

    At least Mercedes was clear and did not lie their drivers. RedBull is just a gang, not a team, it should not be allowed to lie and cheat your own driver, they could cause an accident.

    • BarnstableD (@barnstabled) said on 24th March 2013, 11:25

      Red Bull told their drivers the race is to the final pit stop, then you turn down and come home. They told both drivers to turn down and bring it home, not just Webber. When Seb disobeys and attacks Webber, the team get on the radio and call it silly and try to stop him.

      I don’t see how that’s Red Bull cheating Webber and making Vettel win. If anything, I think this weekend has shown that Red Bull aren’t just backing one driver: they were perfectly happy letting Webber take the win.

      So kudos to Red Bull, boo to Seb.

  13. Gloomiest podium I have ever seen….

  14. Eric (@fletch) said on 24th March 2013, 10:53

    “It’s not like at Mercedes where it’s clear number one and number two, basically we treat the drivers the same.”

    Someone should let Nico know that…

    • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 24th March 2013, 11:20

      I thought Ros did a pretty good job of that.

    • ““It’s not like at Mercedes where it’s clear number one and number two, basically we treat the drivers the same.”

      Very very **** poor attempt at taking the high ground.

      Redbull TRIED to control their driver, it didnt work. To then have a stab at your rival team because their driver knows how to obey an order, is very weak of you Mr Marko.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 24th March 2013, 13:08

        To me it sounded like clever thinking of Marko to get a dig in at the expense of a competitor and at the same time diverting attention to their own situation. Amazingly even Marko couldn’t find much good to say about how Vettel took that win!

  15. Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 24th March 2013, 10:53

    “The team will have a word because we have to control the drivers. It’s not like at Mercedes where it’s clear number one and number two.”

    Even when he is in a defending position he is attacking the others

    “basically we treat the drivers the same”

    I didn’t know how much of a comedian he was

    • BaKano (@bakano) said on 24th March 2013, 11:12

      These 2 statements say it all about Marko!
      Red Bull used to be a funny team, once they started wining they became like Ferrari or the Schumacher era.
      I am just wondering what they have to say about the tyres that “hurt them because they have the best car” now that they got a 1-2…

    • dennis (@dennis) said on 24th March 2013, 13:32

      With that guy in your avatar, it’s not like you have much to shout about either.

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