Moss doubts women have “mental aptitude” for F1

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Moss says women lack mentality for F1 (BBC)

“I think they have the strength, but I don’t know if they’ve got the mental aptitude to race hard, wheel-to-wheel.”

Can Women Compete in Formula 1? A Science Perspective (Badger GP)

“The world has moved on in its attitudes to women, and people in F1 circles, for example Sir Stirling, have not. I note that Bernie Ecclestone?s comments in the article were less sexist than those he?s made before, but they still leave a lot to be desired in fostering an environment where women are seen as equals.”

Bahrain blasts stoke fears before F1 race (FT, registration required)

A series of explosions in Bahrain has raised security fears ahead of the kingdom?s premier international sporting event, the F1 Grand Prix motor race, scheduled for this weekend.

Bahrain Grand Prix is on, insists Bernie Ecclestone (The Independent)

“What’s happened? They’re demonstrating now? I didn?t know that. There’s nobody demonstrating.”

Perez told to ‘toughen up’ (ESPN)

Martin Whitmarsh: “He’s been very polite so far this year. He needs to toughen up. He’s been generous in allowing people past him. I told him: ‘You have to be out there racing’. That means sometimes you have got to use elbows and you have got to be robust without being dirty.”

Lotus downplays Raikkonen Red Bull talk (Autosport)

Lotus owner Gerard Lopez: “Kimi’s position is going to be based on a bunch of things and not on what Red Bull say – I think they have their hands full right now.”

Tyres need to be tougher, say some team bosses (Reuters)

Martin Whitmarsh: “I would like more durable tyres that we can absolutely attack on flat out.”

Christian Horner: “A quick car abuses the tyres more…” (Adam Cooper’s F1 Blog)

“I think we?re seeing that qualifying is paying less of a premium than trying to preserve the tyres. Our car performs very, very well, it?s a quick car, but a quick car abuses the tyre more, and the tyres can?t cope with that.”

Fernando’s masterclass (Sky)

Martin Brundle: “The Red Bull team are reigning triple world champions, they are unsurprisingly a fiercely professional and dedicated bunch, they get sizeable end of season bonuses based on the constructors’ championship position, does anybody really think that Webber’s problems were somehow intentional? Come on.”

Will Bernie buy the Long Beach GP? (MotorSport)

“IndyCar?s agreement with Long Beach expires next year and there are rumors that Bernie Ecclestone, Zak Brown and Long Beach founder Chris Pook are attempting to buy the contract.”

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Great work by @Andae23 on more Chinese Grand Prix stats:

We have had five different winners in the last five races, which is the 55th time this has occurred in history.

More remarkable is that these five drivers (Hamilton, Button, Raikkonen, Vettel and Alonso) are all world champions. This is only the third time this has ever occurred: the other occasions were in 1977 (Jones, Lauda, Andretti, Hunt and Scheckter) and 1985-1986 (Mansell, Rosberg, Piquet, Senna and Prost).

Note that at the time, Scheckter, Andretti, Jones, Mansell and Senna were not world champions, meaning that the 2013 Chinese GP has a first!
@Andae23

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141 comments on Moss doubts women have “mental aptitude” for F1

  1. Matt Clark (@mattc888) said on 16th April 2013, 3:04

    High five to @Andae23 for the excellent COTD ;)

  2. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 16th April 2013, 3:21

    EVEN IF the generalization was okay, then it also works on men. Mentallity is very specific to each person.

    Give them the same oportunities and see how many fail in their way. Women have suffered a lot over years and years, and they still do, trying to be treated as equals, just for a dinasaur say such thing. It’s forcing them 20 years into the past…

    It’s hard to be “mentally strong” if women have a lot harder than men… chances are not the same, and there’s always the constant, and tedious, sexism towards them. They got to be pretty, they got to be fast, they have to be femenine, but also manly… they have to be everything, together, and they don’t even let them try.

    BTW, I think Moss’ comments are not as harsh as, say, Bernie’s. Maybe people are reacting like this because he’s (or was, depends) a likeable character… but Bernie’s words, right now, are a lot more painful, and are not criticized enough (or at all) by the mainstream media. It’s just the “good old Bernie saying all that smelly stuff again”… it shouldn’t be like that.

  3. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 16th April 2013, 3:52

    Looks like Horner wants to change the way Pirelli is making the tyres, as well as Martin, but the problem is that red Bull, struggling or not, have already won a race with the “bad tyres” and that leaves them without a solid argument to fight with.

    • ^Mo^ said on 16th April 2013, 6:05

      Where does Horner say that? In the article he just states this as a fact and that they have to work around the problem.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 16th April 2013, 7:16

      Maybe they should look at Buttons experience there, finding he could push the tyres far more than he actually thought he could have before changing them @omarr-pepper

    • dennis (@dennis) said on 16th April 2013, 8:05

      This is such a stupid point, sorry to say that.
      Red Bull won a race in which Alonso got himself out of the race by a stupid mistake, Mercedes struggled with themselves and Kimi ran into setup problems and was stuck in traffic most of the time.
      It’s not like they were actually challenged by anyone in Sepang.

      At no point during the australian and chinese GP were they able to win the race on their own.
      It’s like saying that Panis won the ’96 Monaco GP, so there’s no room for complaining about the car.

  4. icemangrins (@icemangrins) said on 16th April 2013, 4:08

    I would like more durable tyres that we can absolutely attack on flat out.

    This is what Michael said last year following the Bahrain GP and there were no one to back him up.

  5. I really liked this piece by Gary Anderson. I’m disappointed that Martin Brundle isn’t aware that Red Bull probably isn’t concerned with profits but status and exposure, I’m not saying that what happened in China was more than bad luck but Red Bull is in F1 for exposure and a young talented German bodes well with the team so why not maximize their product?

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 16th April 2013, 7:54

      Nice article indeed. I pretty much agree with what he mentions about things amassing to put pressure on Red Bull, and its important to not what he mentions about the tyres and running full-out:

      I ran three teams during the tyre-war era of the late 1990s and early 2000s, which some are saying was a time when drivers could push right to the limit all the time. But that’s a fallacy. They could never go 100% all the time.

      and even more clearly

      The fastest way was a multi-stop race abusing the tyres. But if there was a one-stop race – such as was often case at Monza – you could not abuse the tyres, they would blister and fall off the rims.

      And I would say that more than China showing the tyres are not up to it, DRS is the really upsetting thing and should be done away with or at least toned down as he mentions:

      Whether F1 needs the DRS overtaking aid as well as the current tyres is a different issue – I would like to get rid of it and make the drivers fight more to overtake.

  6. wsrgo (@wsrgo) said on 16th April 2013, 4:30

    Happy birthday to Paul di Resta. Another man on the grid is turning 27 soon, the closest we have to unrelated twins..
    Yes I’m talking about Romain Grosjean..

  7. AlonsoMcLaren (@alonsomclaren) said on 16th April 2013, 4:32

    I admire Moss because he dares to fight against political correctness, against the dictatorship of feminism.

    • Joe Papp (@joepa) said on 16th April 2013, 7:09

      @alonsomclaren – agreed. his comments might not be graceful, but at least they’re also not politically-correct.

      A woman will have a seat in F1 when she’s earned it. Until then, there’s no reason to start advancing otherwise unqualified women towards the F1 grid just because of their sex, at the expense of qualified male talent. The best drivers with the right support should be on the grid!

  8. bull mello (@bullmello) said on 16th April 2013, 4:55

    Christian Horner: “A quick car abuses the tyres more…”

    “I think we’re seeing that qualifying is paying less of a premium than trying to preserve the tyres. Our car performs very, very well, it’s a quick car, but a quick car abuses the tyre more, and the tyres can’t cope with that.”

    Alonso and Kimi might not totally agree with that statement.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 16th April 2013, 7:13

      I think they might agree though @bullmello, but would add that the last 3 years overall Red Bull had the best car (optimized to make the most of qualifying, then run in clean air at the front and win more often than not), now they seem to be a wrongly optimized package where Ferrari and Lotus have the better car overall. Only means RBR have to change their approach a bit and get back up there, that said, they are still in the lead.
      I mean, most fans get bored of always seeing the fastest car on pole and then in front for the whole race to win it, changing that was exactly what was asked of Pirelli to achieve.

      I think it was remarkable to hear Horner mention his drivers are pushing only 70% while Withmarsh mentions 90% for his drivers. On that note, given that

      “We then said step the pace up. Within three laps he was going two seconds a lap quicker and the tyres actually held in there. Upon reflection…he could have leant on them a lot heavier than his instinct (told him),” said the boss.

      part, I see this not as the teams being carefull because they HAVE to, but being overly carefull.
      We saw with Bahrain 2010 everyone sparing their tyres far too much too, only to find out it was not needed. Maybe this year we also still need to see drivers push their tyres and see what they get out of them, instead of having a team of people watching computer data calculate an optimum lap based on evidently insufficient information.

  9. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 16th April 2013, 6:32

    “What’s happened? They’re demonstrating now? I didn’t know that. There’s nobody demonstrating.”

    Glad to see F1 is doing it’s annual “Ostrich sticking its head in the sand” impersonation again this year…

  10. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 16th April 2013, 6:36

    Are we really surprised that a man in his 80’s has out dated views on the ability of women to compete with women? Particularly when that man has previously said that all he had to do in his day “was turn up to drive the car and then go off and chase crumpet.” (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/sep/13/stirling-moss-interview-f1)

  11. BasCB (@bascb) said on 16th April 2013, 7:14

    Happy birthday @AndrewTanner, @SoLiD, @BraddersF1 and @RumFRESH, i hope you can all enjoy a nice spring day to celebrate!

  12. squaregoldfish (@squaregoldfish) said on 16th April 2013, 8:35

    I liked Taki Inoue’s response to the Moss quote:

    Moss: female drivers lack aptitude to succeed in Formula 1… Even male driver like Taki Inoue lack aptitude as well.

  13. Why would Kate Moss say something like that about her own gender?

  14. jochenrindt78 (@jochenrindt78) said on 16th April 2013, 10:45

    I’m suprised this is Stirling’s view especially as his own sister was an extremely talented driver (even though not in F1) The way the driver market works these days women drivers in F1 are looking more and more unlikely.

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