Four-stop races “is too much”, says Horner

2013 Spanish Grand Prix

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Circuit de Cataunya, Barcelona, 2013Red Bull team principal Christian Horner says the Spanish Grand Prix showed the current generation of tyres are too aggressive.

Asked if having four pit stops per car in a race was excessive Horner said: “I think for the fans it is too much.”

“It’s difficult enough when you’ve got all the information on your computers and all the strategy tools. I think it does get too confusing. And I think three is the absolute limit.”

Horner has been among the critics of the current tyres this year. Pirelli responded to complaints about their compounds by bringing more durable hard tyres to this weekend’s race.

“We mentioned it earlier in the year, I got lambasted, ‘it’s Red Bull complaining’,” said Horner. “But I’d like you to find a driver in the pit lane that’s really happy with the situation.”

“I think everyone wants to see the drivers going wheel to wheel and racing each other and it not being so much a strategic element to this racing,” he added.

Sebastian Vettel finished fourth after qualifying third. “We?re not going the pace of the car, we?re going the pace of the tyres,” he said.

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61 comments on Four-stop races “is too much”, says Horner

  1. Swindle94 (@swindle94) said on 12th May 2013, 18:16

    As far as I’m concerned, a car looking after its tires is just as much down to the team and driver as downforce, horsepower, etc. Ferrari was pushing all race, and red bull dominated the last race. I don’t see the complaints

    • Jason (@jason12) said on 12th May 2013, 19:52

      Guess you not interested in real racing, you just want your driver to win.

      • Swindle94 (@swindle94) said on 12th May 2013, 21:56

        I don’t like Alonso. But I enjoy watching teams figuring out how to maximize their cars potential. All the teams knew that the tires were going to be a challenge just as they have the past two seasons. Since all the teams are dealing with the same tires, it’s quite obvious that Ferrari and Lotus have done a great job understanding the cars with the tires compared to Mercedes and Red Bull. 4 stops was too much. But 2-3 is definitely fun to watch.

    • Diego (@r3mxd) said on 13th May 2013, 3:17

      True. EVEN LOTUS!

      Lotus have a good aero car AND are able to be good on the tires, matter fact the best of the rest of the field. This is why we have winter test, wind tunnels, etc. They have done their homework. All red Bull and their fans can do is protest and blame the Tires and not their Newey because he has failed to create a good car that can look after its tires.

  2. Ben (@scuderia29) said on 12th May 2013, 20:18

    i dont think the number of stops is bad for the fans, 1 or no stops at all is bad for the fans in my opinion, i enjoy watching stategies pan out.

    • Diego (@r3mxd) said on 13th May 2013, 3:15

      agree,

      Last year people were already complaining by Monaco about the 1 stoppers on the Super Soft/ Soft. This is why is called “Formula” so that the highly paid tech directors and multi million dollar facilities can find a good way to cope with the Tires. Red Bull have fail to do so, they need to blame Newey, not Pirelli.

  3. Ben (@scuderia29) said on 12th May 2013, 20:20

    its the same rules for everyone, the team and driver that adapts the best will win the championship, this is not new in formula 1.

    • Jason (@jason12) said on 12th May 2013, 21:09

      The best at conserving tyres…
      That’s not what we paid for… :D
      These tyres are also a danger just waiting to happen, but I suppose you don’t care about that.

      • Diego (@r3mxd) said on 13th May 2013, 3:14

        wrong…

        wrong…

        wrong…

        Skillful drivers are not only able to be fast, but also be able to cope with what you are given under the rules. It is up to the car designers, etc. to find a solution to be good on tires. Lotus and Ferrari have nailed it.

  4. U2F1 (@u2f1) said on 12th May 2013, 21:04

    don’t really understand the constant moaning about the tyres … aren’t the guys who are winning bringing about the best in them .. F1 today now truly seems to be a team sport with everyone right from the driver to the mechanics to the guys on the pit-wall contributing .. why do you think the likes of alonso and kimi are winning .. pretty strightforward – they know when and how to push and when to nurse the car :)

    The fans are getting the show they’ve been complaining about for the past 4-5 years and isn’t it exiting enough not viewing a procession and not knowing who’s gonna finally take the chequered flag .. I for one don’t rue this even a bit .. racing can be about going flat out but i like the handicap today’s drivers are being presented with :)

    • Diego (@r3mxd) said on 13th May 2013, 3:12

      I agree with you, I don’t get the moaning either, Red Bull are crying to much when they have the resources and TECHNICAL and DESIGNER director ADRIAN NEWEY, it’s his fault for not being able to create a car as aero good and as good on its Tires. Lotus and Ferrari have nailed it good, for now.

  5. This season is a joke. The pace is truly pedestrian. These are supposed to be the fastest circuit cars in the world and not a sunday drive. We should be pushing the envelope of outright speed and not limiting the cars speed with marshmallow tyres. Pathetic… ive been watching formula 1 for a long time and I’m considering switching off.

    • Diego (@r3mxd) said on 13th May 2013, 3:11

      no is not, it is the designers fault for not being able to have a car that can cope with weak tires. Lotus and Ferrari, both pushed and were 40+ seconds ahead of RB, which happens to be aero dynamically good. Newey has to find a way to make their car work with the tires, Ferrari and Lotus have, and they don’t need Newey. Again, it is up to the team to do their homework, hence why is called “Formula” not Indy.

    • Merv (@) said on 13th May 2013, 8:40

      Really? Pedestrian? You can honestly perceive the difference in pace watching on TV?

      Alonso’s total race time yesterday was a little over 7 seconds slower than Maldanado’s winning race time from 2012. Of course Alonso made an extra stop costing around 18s on track, so the average pace of racing laps at this point in the season is actually faster than at the same point last year.

      OK, you could say the Ferrari was a dog at this point last year, so take Kimi, strong starts to the season in both the E20 and E21. His total race time yesterday was 5 seconds slower than 2012, hardly cause for concern.

      • Yes I can see the difference! Easily. The fact that they are slower than last year, even if it was 1 second, is cause for concern considering the amount of money and research that has gone into the cars in the last 12 months. The tyres are too fragile and it looks like the drivers are never ob the ragged edge. It actually looks like they are driving as though it’s wet when its dry! I like to see a driver really getting on the throttle with confidence and leaning on the tyres hard. Its good to watch. It maybe a formula but now its formula wrong.

  6. Hairs (@hairs) said on 13th May 2013, 1:36

    You know what the worst thing in modern f1 is? Hearing from Christian Horner 4 times in one programme.

    • Diego (@r3mxd) said on 13th May 2013, 3:09

      +1

      You think that’s bad? NBC sports always have a full blown RedBull pre race dog and pony show, in almost every race, gets quiet old since most of the time is the same thing.

  7. Diego (@r3mxd) said on 13th May 2013, 3:07

    You know, only Red Bull is the one actually pushing Pirelli.

    During the final stint of the lap an analyst clearly said and I will do my best to quote “Ferrari said at the beginning of the GP, that they will be on the attack due to their 2 DNF/Low point deficit. However, they are doing close to Qualifying laps right now, especially Massa, and yet they are able to manage the tires in the corners that are crucial but they are still pushing. This whole “tires” moan from Red Bull is just something affecting them, they have Adrian Newey, a “genious” who apparently cannot fix this issue. Look at Lotus and Ferrari, both pushing, almost 40+ ahead of RB. This teams got the winter, practice sessions and of course million dollar factories and technical directors. Mercedes is just a fundamental issue for years. Again this Tire cry from RB team is a joke”

    No i’m not making this up, this was said Live during the race, and I agree, Newey has lost his “genious” title if he cannot have his car work with the Tires at all, Lotus and Ferrari have done their homework, I mean come on. Might be a little too extreme (delaminations) but in no way shape or form do they need to alter the rubber except to fix that delamination issue. Red Bull just sound too used to winning, this is good for the sport, let’s see what Newey can do, after all, he did finally found a solution for their loss of rear grip by Singapore last year…

  8. Force Maikel (@force-maikel) said on 13th May 2013, 9:05

    you’re doing it wrong Horner!

    The Red Bull lobby needs to stop moaning about the tires really. Red Bull might have the most aerodynamic car but it’s not the fastest in Qualifying nor is it in the race. If Pirelli actually go ahead and make the tires more durable, they would be benefiting some teams over the others and that is not acceptable.

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