Raikkonen fumes at Perez over “stupid move”

2013 Monaco Grand Prix

Sergio Perez, McLaren, Monte-Carlo, Monaco, 2013An unhappy Kimi Raikkonen blamed Sergio Perez for costing him points in the championship with a “stupid move”.

The pair collided at the chicane which left Raikkonen with a puncture but he Lotus driver was able to recover to tenth place to claim a point.

“It was a really disappointing day,” said Raikkonen. “Because of one stupid move from Sergio we?ve lost a lot of points to Sebastian [Vettel] in the championship and you can?t afford to lose ground like that.”

“He hit me from behind and that?s about all there is to it. If he thinks it?s my fault that he came into the corner too fast then he obviously has no idea what he?s talking about.”

“It?s not the first time he?s hit someone in the race; he seems to expect people to be always looking at what he might do, then move over or go straight on if he comes into the corner too quick and isn?t going to make it without running into someone.

“Not the ideal weekend but there?s nothing we can do about it. At least we got one point back at the end.”

Fernando Alonso also raced wheel-to-wheel with Perez and was ordered to give up a position to the McLaren driver after cutting the chicane to stay ahead of him.

“His approach reminds me of my own in 2008 and 2009,” said Alonso, “because when you are not fighting for the championship, you can take more risks, while for me today, it was important to finish the race and bring home as many points as possible.”

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150 comments on Raikkonen fumes at Perez over “stupid move”

  1. John H (@john-h) said on 26th May 2013, 22:07

    Perez was crazy, but Kimi moved off the racing line in the braking zone (yes he did, that isn’t the racing line he took into the chicane).

    To be honest, I see it being 50/50. Perhaps Perez can punch Kimi in the knackers or something, I dunno.

  2. fjv said on 26th May 2013, 22:20

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g80-CFe7_Ko
    Perez was moving in to the spot and Kimi kept closing the gap, Perez did try to abort the pass BEFORE hitting Kimi, but too little too late, Kimi already had made up his mind to close the gap completely, both drivers tried to bully the other to back down, thus, race incident, both lost the chance to let the best of them make the decision on this one. Of course the Defender always think the attacker is at fault, otherwise the defender would just sit back and enjoy the position, but with out attacking positions we would not have racing.

    • fjv said on 26th May 2013, 22:50

      I would also add, not to sound biased, that a good attack is clean, swift and leaves the defender with no recourse than to concede the position, or a great pass is to take it with out the defender even knowing the pass just happened.

      • Kimi4WDC said on 26th May 2013, 23:35

        It looked like attacker was not aware of the attack either same for the move few laps before the incident.

      • kimrogue (@kimrogue) said on 27th May 2013, 6:02

        And Checo pulled it on Button at the very corner, it was clean and Button was beaten fair and square. Evident from the fact the Perez was able to make the corner and so was Button. But from then on he just started over-reaching. First it was marginal with Alonso and then with Kimi, it was just plain day-dreaming. Also in the light of the fact that Kimi had closed the door similarly in the previous laps, just makes me wonder what was he thinking?

        • The issue is that breaking late, and talking left side in the chicane is not the Best path for top speed. So, that is risky for the one approaching faster as the centrifugal force can through it away or just won’t allow him to take the curve and turn.. so, it will end going straight and will be penalized by missing the chicane. But as Kimi was little slower he was trying to take advantage of the Faster path expecting it would minimize Perez chances. Which it worked fine for 1 or 2 times earlier. Why it didn’t work when they had contact ? because Perez came out from the tunnel Faster than Kimi and that put him in the position to put the nose of the car in the Gap, but then Kimi defending his position closed the door a little late producing the contact for both. That’s why Race stewards didn’t penalized Perez or Kimi they both were kind of right. One driving faster one covering his position… they both could avoid the contact.. Perez just awaiting probably other lap, but he needed to try his move fast as with red tires, tires degradation won’t be helping later as Kimi had a harder tires and will last little more. But Kimi is not free of charge as well, as he could leave the spot and fight back in the next lap. But he knew Perez car was in little faster to try that back. Both went for everything or nothing.. and both lost several points. Good for Kimi that rescue 1 point. But a shame of Great and spectacular race!. Besides that, not other scenes were able to applaud but by sure, D’Resta and Massa probably offered good excitement as well. I hope we could have more spectacular and not boring races hopefully soon.

  3. Alexis O said on 26th May 2013, 22:23

    Yeah, perhaps it was a mistake trying to overtake Kimi. But if it wasn’t for Perez and Sutil, the race would not have been as exciting as it was. It would have been an static and boring carrousel of cars just waiting for somebody to make an obvious mistake to pass. Until today I thought it was impossible to pass in Monaco. This is a good change.

  4. Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 22:42

    Räikkönen, I think you caused your own loss today. You should’ve just ran wide and if Perez didn’t make the chicane, he would’ve had to give the place back anyway. If he did make it though, then it was a perfectly fair move. Either way, Räikkönen shouldn’t have turned in like he did and closed the gap on Perez when he couldn’t back out of it.

    • Aced (@aced) said on 26th May 2013, 22:59

      @vettel1

      Either way, Räikkönen shouldn’t have turned in like he did and closed the gap on Perez when he couldn’t back out of it.

      I already made a post that would address this issue.

      Closed what gap exactly? Do you realize what a tight entry it is for that corner? You’re never going to make a move stick there by sneaking in with your front wing somehow. There was absolutely no gap at that point and Kimi was already turning in for the corner which he was very well entitled to do so.

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 23:08

        @aced you haven’t addressed my issue though: I’m not arguing that Perez was abmitious in trying to overtake from that far back but Kimi moved over when Perez had his front wheels alongside Kimi’s rears, when he was fully on the brakes already. There was nothing he could do to back out of it then, which is why I think Kimi is equally at fault. He should’ve just done as I stated above.

        What differentiates this from say Grosjean’s is that Perez didn’t just drive straight into the back of him, he was actually in a car’s width space at the time when Kimi moved over (that is clearly evident from the on boards) when instead he should’ve checked his mirrors and drove straight on as I’ve already discussed. He cost his own race IMO.

        • Aced (@aced) said on 27th May 2013, 3:15

          @vettel1

          Here is a very good example that someone else posted on another forum of how you should back out from a stupid move like that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOmozDspnQ#t=03m10s

          The problem with the gap that you’re implying there was is that the angle at which Perez was approaching the corner he would have almost had to stop before he could turn in. In addition to that he would have never been able to turn in before Kimi turned in first. So by that logic there really was no gap to go for. His judgement was way off. Schumachers wasn’t.

          You can’t just say, oh there’s some space so I’m going to fit in my car there. That space has to lead somewhere for it to be actually called a gap instead of a shrinking one.

          Perez shouldn’t have committed to a move that was never going to stick but instead most likely cause an accident. He was the one who should have avoided it.

          Now on a rational note Kimi should have probably tried to avoid it by getting the hell out of there, but it never should have been his job to do so in the first place. Therefore, in my opinion, it was causing an avoidable collision on Checo’s part.

        • Angelia (@angelia) said on 27th May 2013, 5:08

          Kimi drove a defensive line as he had done for many laps before, since Perez had already tried to do the same move before. He didn’t turn into Perez, it is a tight chicane he was always going left at some point that is why it was always a disappearing gap. It was never a real gap for Perez.

          You are contradicting yourself, saying:

          There was nothing he could do to back out of it then
          when instead.
          he should’ve checked his mirrors and drove straight

          If there was nothing he could do to back out then perhaps it was his mistake as he shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
          Why would anyone expect the driver who is in front to drive off the race track?
          If the driver in front is expected to skip the chicane and drive off the race track, for a overtaking move to work, then again the move shouldn’t have been executed to begin with.
          None of these moves would have been possible if the chicane was a real wall. But instead because the chicane has a run off area, Perez was expecting drivers to jump out of his way and use the run off area so that he could pass them.
          There was simply no way Perez would have been able to make the chicane without almost stopping on track, from the line that he was taking.

      • anon said on 26th May 2013, 23:16

        Perez can’t just magically disappear once he’s committed.

        At least the Kimi fans will now agree that it was Kimi’s fault when he hit Perez in China.

        • Aced (@aced) said on 26th May 2013, 23:33

          The problem with your logic is that if you were to commit to going through a red light and ending up causing an accident you would get away with it by saying “I couldn’t back off once I committed to it”. You shouldn’t have committed to something that was wrong in the first place, mate.

        • Deej92 (@deej92) said on 26th May 2013, 23:49

          @aced If Perez had squeezed Raikkonen like that, the Kimi fans would be in uproar at Perez’s reckless driving. Perez can’t do right in this situation to those fans. Maybe you aren’t as biased as some, but Raikkonen was fully aware of Perez down his left so turning in like that was an error on Raikkonen’s part.

          • Angelia (@angelia) said on 27th May 2013, 5:20

            Perez was fully aware that Kimi was about to turn left at the chicane ahead that is the way the race track goes, why did Perez take a line that would make it impossible for him to make the chicane?
            Why should Kimi be expected to go strait over the chicane because Perez who was behind him had decided to take the wrong line, the track is a chicane to the left not a straight line.

        • Kimi4WDC said on 27th May 2013, 5:38

          Perez on Kimi in China = Chilton on Maldonado in Monaco.

    • postreader said on 26th May 2013, 23:07

      Still seems basically like cheating to me to either force the driver right in front of you to move out of your reckless rampage of make him run wide and having to give up the place all the same in the end.

      Face it, Perez is getting more and more stupid with every passing race, as his sense of entitlement and agressiveness increases. It has to stop.

      • Aced (@aced) said on 26th May 2013, 23:42

        I don’t see why you should be calling him stupid. After all he had a cracking race up until that point and gave a lesson of how you overtake two world champions in Monaco.

        I just think that move in the end sort of tainted what could have been an amazing race. F1 fans should seriously learn to criticize respectfully and give credit where it’s due for once.

      • Aced (@aced) said on 26th May 2013, 23:47

        But I agree with you on the part that you shouldn’t use a technique like “forcing another driver to move out of your reckless rampage ” as you put it to make a move stick.

    • Angelia (@angelia) said on 26th May 2013, 23:53

      Actually Kimi was taking the exact same defensive line that he has been taking for 25 laps.

      So no, I cant see how anyone could say that Kimi turned in on him, there was always going to be a sharp left chicane in front of him and a wall, Perez knew there was never a gap to begin with.

      He never should have been there in the first place.

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 27th May 2013, 8:08

      Quite simply Perez had committed (whether it was reckless or not, but that isn’t the issue) and Räikkönen moved across him causing his front wing damage. He’s as much at fault for that.

      • Blob said on 27th May 2013, 12:03

        Can’t really understand how Perez being reckless or not is “not an issue” when that’s the whole point. By the rules it might be that both are at fault or even that Raikkonen is at fault for closing the gap when Perez already had his front wing next to Raikkonen’s rear wheels.
        But the reason Raikkonen is not penalized is because it would be utterly ridiculous since by reason Perez should not be there in the first place. Raikkonen is taking a defensive line expecting Perez to come in at a speed with which he can actually make the corner. Instead Perez comes in at a speed he can’t actually make the corner in the first place, which is just pointless, risky and stupid. The exact same thing he did a couple of laps earlier, that one just ended up in them both cutting the corner, this one ended in Raikkonen trying to make the corner with a defensive line and thus a crash. Can’t see how someone could defend Perez here, because what you’re effectively saying is “Raikkonen shouldn’t have tried to make the corner, because he should’ve known Perez is a human missile” or “Raikkonen should’ve stopped his car on the corner and waited for the human missile to go past.” I mean what kind of racing is that?

        The reason Perez is not penalized is because he already DNFd, it’s problematic by the rules (i mean he did have his front wing there, but ofc you can do that if you come in too fast), and being stupid is not a crime. There’s a vid on YouTube btw where Schumacher/Raikkonen have the exact same situation last year and Schumi makes a split second decision not to try it. Really, whoever here said Perez is having Schumi-like moves is flattering him.

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 27th May 2013, 23:23

          The reason Perez is not penalized is because he already DNFd

          No it isn’t. If the stewards want to penalise a driver who’s retired from the race they give him a penalty for the next race, as happened with Grosjean in Monaco.

      • Aced (@aced) said on 27th May 2013, 13:36

        @vettel1

        Again, overtakes are not made by forcing another driver to let you through because otherwise you’d crash into them. I can agree with you on the part that Kimi perhaps should have turned in a bit later to avoid the whole thing but Perez at the same time had no business charging like that in the middle of nowhere.

        It does look brave on TV and exciting but from a drivers point of view that is just terrible judgement. There’s just no gap there, you can’t possibly argue that if you take into account the nature of the corner and the angle at which Perez was approaching it there ever was a chance of a clean overtake to be made there.

        Take note from a very similar situation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nOmozDspnQ#t=03m10s

  5. Osiso said on 26th May 2013, 23:51

    Both of them, Raikkonen and Perez, got what they deserved because you can’t defend and attack like that.

  6. Angelia (@angelia) said on 27th May 2013, 0:18

    I dont know what the stewards were doing today, they were rewarding Perez for driving others off the track. It started first with Alonso, it was wrong that he had to give that place to Perez.

    Then Perez obviously gained confidence and saw that the stewards were doing nothing, and he only got worse as the race progressed.

    Perez’s own words afterwards confirms it. Where he said should Kimi should have avoided the accident by skipping the chicane. When you are supposedly doing an overtaking move and the other driver has to go off the race track for you to complete your move then it isn’t overtaking and the move isn’t on to begin with.

    You cant just point your nose and dive into any little corner and expect the other driver to yield by driving off the track race. That is simply wrong, and not racing at all.

    Perez didn’t try this little move at any other place on the circuit, because if you push others off the track at other places there is walls and you will crash.
    Kimi was taking a normal defensive line, as the driver in front he had a right to choose his line. And he was driving a defensive line because Perez had already tried his little trick earlier. Perez knew that the space was always closing.

    Perez would never have been able to make the chicane in the first place, even if Kimi wasn’t there. There would never have been an overtake on the cards if Kimi didn’t yield completely by going off the race track. So that tells you this move was never there to begin with.

    The FIA is basically telling Perez that it is okay to push other drivers off the track. This can not end well, Perez would have been better off getting a penalty, or a reprimand at the very least. Now he will just keep on doing this.

    • anon said on 27th May 2013, 0:44

      “I dont know what the stewards were doing today, they were rewarding Perez for driving others off the track. It started first with Alonso, it was wrong that he had to give that place to Perez.”

      What are you people watching??? Was it a different race? Alonso cut the chicane to maintain his position.

      • chow said on 27th May 2013, 2:40

        If Alonso maintained his line in the chicane, Perez would have crashed into the side of Alonso’s car. The gap was never there to begin with.

      • Angelia (@angelia) said on 27th May 2013, 5:32

        If Alonso did not take avoiding action he and Perez would have crashed. The FIA made the wrong call, that is why they could not do anything about the situation with Kimi, because they would have to admit they were wrong in the first place.

      • wsrgo (@wsrgo) said on 27th May 2013, 7:44

        Alonso had nowhere to go. He could either have crashed into Perez or cut the corner, and that is what he did.

  7. rummy said on 27th May 2013, 0:28

    To me that kimi was just taking his normal line, albeit knowing perez was going to do that. Nobody has to give anybody any room. That’s not a rule. Kimi just decided he didn’t want to race perez and started driving his normal line rather than give perez the respect enough to race with him.

  8. R.J. O'Connell (@rjoconnell) said on 27th May 2013, 4:02

    Kimi finished in the points after surging up from 16th to 10th by the final lap. Sergio DNFed with brake failure that was no doubt induced by a lack of front downforce caused by Raikkonen turning in on Perez and squeezing him into the armco on the run-up to the chicane – just as he tried to do the first time Perez attempted to pass him. Tell me whose race was ruined more – the guy who still has a 23-race points scoring streak intact, or the guy who had his best race of the season wasted?

    • kimrogue (@kimrogue) said on 27th May 2013, 5:57

      This logic is just flawed. Just because one has more to lose doesn’t justify reckless aggression. BTW, Checo just might have wrecked Kimi’s chances of challenging Vettel for WDC. Does that automatically mean that Checo’s at fault? Please try to assess the incident on its own merit, not by it’s ramifications on results.

      • anon said on 27th May 2013, 8:23

        Look, if you can’t beat Perez (who was in the 5th or 6th best car) and you had the 3rd best car you don’t deserve to be challenging for a championship.

        • Daniel2 said on 27th May 2013, 15:15

          So you’re in fact saying, that Alonso wouldn’t be a worthy champion either? If not Räikkönen or Alonso, there would only be Vettel left.

          This Monaco race wasn’t indicative for car performance anyway, or we wouldn’t have seen the whole field (even the bottom two teams Caterham and Marussia at times) drive lap times within a second of each other for large parts of the race.

          It became very clear to me soon after the start, that the upper half of the field was suffering under the conservation mode, that Mercedes was driving at the front. Later in the race it was made public, that Red Bull would need to preserve their tires and so the top four places were filled with the two best cars of the weekend. They did all they needed to keep the rest of the field behind them, but never got close to their top performance.

          Kimi in fifth place could do nothing about them in the end, but do what everyone else was doing: follow the car in front of him as close as possible without wrecking your car or tires. He might not have tried to pass Webber or Hamilton before him, but with the third-best car of the weekend, a finish on fifth wouldn’t have been out of place.

  9. Martin (@martin) said on 27th May 2013, 5:01

    “You can’t just point your nose and dive into any little corner and expect the other driver to yield by driving off the track race. That is simply wrong, and not racing at all.” Precisely. That is not racing.

  10. Howard (@howard) said on 27th May 2013, 5:04

    It wasn’t too long ago Perez completely shut the door on Kimi in a more aggressive manner.

  11. buea said on 27th May 2013, 7:18

    Perez will hit some cars in front of him at every race. He’s kept on being unprofessional like that in all of a few past races. Just an low-class driver that doesn’t deserve to be on F1 track. He’s not quick, he just can’t control his car and forces a passing by threatening to collide. Cheap trick.

  12. MatsdJ said on 27th May 2013, 7:28

    I really don’t think you can say this was one guy his fault… Yes, the gap was small and he was late, but Kimi was moving around in the braking zone BEFORE the turn-in-point came. At the point of braking, you can’t do what you want. When the other guy is with his front wheels at the rear of the car in front, contact is inevitable at that point when Raikkonen steers in because Perez can’t make himself dissapear under braking. You can’t brake harder than the limit. By my knowledge, changing from racing line in the braking zone isn’t allowed.
    I’m not saying Raikkonen is in fault here, but he is the only one who could have avoided the accident. Turning in on Perez in the braking zone might not have been the smartest thing he did recently.

  13. wsrgo (@wsrgo) said on 27th May 2013, 7:55

    The thing about Perez is, McLaren’s order to let Button through enraged him. It motivated him to make an inch-perfect pass on Button later. He realised that the chicane was his strong point, he could do it again.
    He saw Alonso struggling in front, and dashed up the inside of the Ferrari. Only here he was further behind, and Alonso had started turning when Perez filled the inside line. Seeing Perez, Alonso had to take evasive action, and cut the corner, went straight through. Charlie Whiting ruled that Alonso should give the place back. It was hard racing, but fair. Thus Perez got the confidence that he was indomitable at the chicane, and could pass anybody and everybody. All he needed to do was just barge up the inside of the car in front, and his rival would be forced to cut the chicane, and would have to give it up.
    But that was expecting too much. Looking at the replays of the incident with Raikkonen, it is hard to imagine what Perez was hoping to achieve. He was just too far back, and simply lost it. You can’t just barge up the inside and hope the other guy goes straight through. The onus is generally on the overtaking driver. Raikkonen wasn’t aware of Perez’s barge, he was taking the same defensive line going into the corner that he had been taking for the last 10 laps or so.

  14. Sakis said on 27th May 2013, 11:27

    I am a major supporter of both drivers, for different reasons.
    Kimi for his sportmanship, clean driving and his denial to the bloodsucking media.
    Sergio for his racing aggression and the fact that he is the only driver, after so many years, to remind me of Ayrton Senna.
    This gif is from another user http://i.minus.com/i1Lwqn3jD5RgK.gif.
    You people should watch carefully again.
    Look at the two cars in front of RAI.
    This is the racing line! Kimi is nowhere near the racing line and he is clearly trying to block PER.
    In addition, you simply just CAN’T turn on a __
    | turn like this \
    It’s easy to blame someone, the hard for most people is to look at the actual facts.

  15. marcoduf (@marcoduf) said on 27th May 2013, 17:17

    I wouldn’t be all in flames concering Perez though- he’s clearly learning a lot, his style is agressive and he was proved right twice before making a bad call concerning Raiko, a call which is clearly a racing incident and that’s it.
    One can always admire more experienced drivers like Button (who seems to know how to avoid young crazies), and bemoan a loss of points for Raiko in this one, but it’s moves like that that will teach Perez how to become a great driver, and keep racing interesting for us to watch.

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