Rate the race: 2013 Monaco Grand Prix

2013 Monaco Grand Prix

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  • 3 (5%)
  • 4 (8%)
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  • 6 (15%)
  • 7 (22%)
  • 8 (19%)
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287 comments on Rate the race: 2013 Monaco Grand Prix

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  1. sushant008 (@sushant008) said on 26th May 2013, 15:24

    thats what i call RACE Piralli!!!….wheel to wheel racing!!!….loved it!!!!!

    • MJ (@mjf1) said on 26th May 2013, 16:03

      I don’t call much wheel to wheel racing at all except when Hamilton failed to overtake Webber. Gave the race a 1. I don’t care if it’s Monaco, it was not exciting at all all. It should not be judged based on past even more boring Monaco races, it should be judged vs. all other gps. To say Brazil 2012 is 9/10 and Monaco 2013 is 8 or 9 is insane. Only good pass was Perez on Button. Lots of crashes if you like that kind of stuff but Crashes are not exciting to me, that’s not what racing is about. Everybody was going so slow, at one point van de garde had the fastest lap and vettel showed on his second last lap how much everyone at the front was holding back. I don’t understand why anybody would give more than a 6 or 7, perhaps vettel or Mercedes fans are happy with the result but the racing was boring.

    • ajokay (@ajokay) said on 26th May 2013, 16:06

      I think you’re confusing wheel-to-wheel racing with nose-to-tail precession. The only wheel-to-wheel anything was when one car hit another car.

    • Someone kick that Tv Director’s winkie.. Utter ********..
      Did not show Kimi’s Last 5 Lap..

      • Exciting nose to tail action, but frustating cover for TV viewers. We missed some good move like Button overtaking Perez in the first part of the race and Raikkonen recovering drive to point finish position.

      • Mike Dee (@mike-dee) said on 27th May 2013, 1:04

        The worst was for the Maldonado shunt. There was a yellow flag for 20 seconds, then they show a Marussia with a broken front wing crawling to the pits. Another 20 seconds later they show the crash – how the hell could they have missed this? The barriers were strewn allover the track!

    • tmax (@tmax) said on 26th May 2013, 17:56

      @sushant008 Seriously if this was a sarcastic comment and supposed to be Joke I am fine.

      If you really meant this was Wheel to Wheel racing. Well No comments.

      Just an Okay Race. Good to See Rosberg win. he deserved it. Otherwise other than Perez and Sutil’s pass nothing much in the race. IT was just a tire procession. Even Alonso had lost a lot of pace altogether. Mark Webber summed it at best.

      I must say Yesterday’s Qualifying can be rated higher than the race today.

      Still I gave it 6 Just for the fact that it is Monaco.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 27th May 2013, 1:39

      @sushant008, you must be referring to the second race, the no pit-stop 30 lapper with less tyre-management than the 40+- laps of time-trial style tyre management that preceeded it.

      Or perhaps you just like crashes.

  2. Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 15:25

    Best Monaco GP in a while: the red flag was a godsend for allowing racing towards the end and of the few faults I can find the driving standards were not particularly great and the first safety car period was prolonged too much unnecessarily. Overall great race though, I’d give it an 8 or a 9!

    • q85 said on 26th May 2013, 15:38

      no not really, the red flag dampened the racing a bit as they all got fresh tyres. They would of been more on the limit without the red flag.

      Romain shouldnt be allowed out the house let alone near an f1 car

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 15:43

        Without the red flag, they would have all been on a tyre conservation exercise towards the end and I highly doubt we’d have had as much overtaking. They’d have been far less on the limit without it.

        Grosjean was pretty terrible though, he should’ve committed to the inside far earlier than he did – it was a completely unnecessary mistake and one that shouldn’t have happened. Räikkönen also caused a collision with Perez IMO, of course nowhere near as drastic as the other Lotus driver though!

        • lightsout (@lightsout) said on 26th May 2013, 15:50

          As opposed to having them all on the same age tyres? Can you imagine Webber hanging on for what 55 laps on his tyres? We’d have seen more action I think without that free change!

          • q85 said on 26th May 2013, 15:52

            +1 @lights out

            there would of been a point where the tyres would of gone and created racing. The red flag just put us back 15laps again therefore not much racing.

            and just as it looked like it was coming good again we had the final S/C.

            so imo it took away from the racing, but only a little bit

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 15:59

            @lightsout I disagree, as that would have not been racing in my opinion. If they’d passed him that would’ve been not through skill but through Webber’s inability to defend, which is what marred the Spanish Grand Prix for me.

          • lightsout (@lightsout) said on 26th May 2013, 16:23

            I’ll reply to myself as I can’t reply to @vettel1 directly. :P

            I disliked the Spanish GP – however Webber did stop first, so he should have to pay the downside of that. 55 laps on a set of tyres is plenty for me, and they should wear out eventually! Putting everyone back onto the same reset was bad this year and it was bad in 2011 (when Vettel got a free stop ahead of Alonso/Button).

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 18:11

            @lightsout it ruined it in 2011 primarily because there were very little laps to go though. It was fine now I think because it was early on.

        • Nick.UK (@) said on 26th May 2013, 15:51

          @vettel1 Most of the overtaking was before the red flag though wasn’t it? The red flag had no real effect, as everyone got a reset. When everyone has the same advantage it’s the same as nobody having an advantage. I would have rather seen everyone trailing with no grip than everyone driving around as normal. There was a bit of fighting from Hamilton but he still got told to stop, all the other moves were from accident opportunities and also Alonso suffering from narcalepsy at the hairpin.

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 16:10

            Not really @nick-uk, the only major thing that happened before then in overtaking terms was Perez on Alonso if I remember correctly. I liked that element because we had overtaking, not passes because somebody’s tyres were spent!

        • ajokay (@ajokay) said on 26th May 2013, 16:07

          So you agree, Monaco Grands Prix of the future need to be only about 30 laps long?

    • Figures why ‘@vettel1‘ would give this race a 8 or a 9… An 8 or a 9?? please man, a solid 6 is more than enough here. If you think yellow flags, red flags, safety cars, incredibly ambitious (read:stupid) passing moves, etc… are worth an 8or9, you don’t like racing in my opinion!
      Would it still have been an 8or9 if Perez would’ve hit Vettel in the back?

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 15:46

        @gwdewilde we didn’t have a tyre conservation exercise, which probably exemplified why I liked the race as much as I did. I have acknowledged though the poor driving standards in my comment, which I shall draw your attention to.

        Why would that matter though? The whole point is that you rate the races objectively as an F1 fan…

    • Nick.UK (@) said on 26th May 2013, 15:45

      Yeah I adjusted my score to reflect the fact that it was Monaco. I gave it an 8.

      The only thing that brought it down for me was that Vettel did not appear to be fighting for the lead and Webber didn’t seem to be fighting against him. Of course they are entitled to run their own race, but it was a shame to see them driving in their own little bubble. That said I doubt they would have made it passed Rosberg, and from looking at the chaos for everyone else who was trying to overtake (bar Sutil – who was amazing today), it was sensible to just take a 2-3.

      I also docked a point for the FIA not amending the red flag rules. Tyres should only be allowed to be changed where the weather changes in my opinion.

      Overall it was a fantastic race I thought. Flawless from Rosberg & Sutil. I was very annoyed Perez didn’t manage to captitalise on what had been an epic performance until the last 1/4 of the race. Likeiwse VDG… how.. how did you screw that up so badly?! You had a great starting position on a track where you cuold have fought to hold it easier AND a dozen cars in front all retired and STILL he did not improve his postion. It might match his best result, but that was Caterham’s best chance for a point down the toilet.

      I really want to see Kimi’s last lap…

    • nackavich (@nackavich) said on 26th May 2013, 15:55

      @vettel1 Yeah I agree. I voted it in the context of it being a “Monaco GP”, so I rated it pretty high.
      I liked seeing the midfield drivers really fight for it: Perez, Sutil (who was brilliant today), di Resta etc.
      Seeing wheel to wheel racing at Monaco is fairly uncommon, and the reason I didn’t vote it higher was because of no real challenge for the lead. As much as I love and respect good racing, a little bit of recklessness spices it up a bit..
      There were many occasions in this race that I actually yelled out in excitement.

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 16:01

        @nackavich me too with the yelling, particularly with the overtakes on Alonso (but that’s me just being evil)! ;) Agreed though, there was plenty of good racing if not a bit too reckless on occasion, which is what prevents me from giving it a perfect score. The safety car had a little too much of an influence as well because of that.

    • DC (@dujedcv) said on 26th May 2013, 16:10

      +1.
      Just because it is Monaco, awesomeness is doubled. And there was plenty of it. Some proper overtakes, crashes, red flag ….. altogether, a very exciting race.

    • celeste (@celeste) said on 26th May 2013, 16:36

      @vettel1 really? I will think that 2011 Monaco with Vettel, Alonso and Button fighting for 30 or so laps was better…

      Drivers still getting the order not to race (Vettel, Webber, Hamilton) this was BORING. I gave it a 1. If it wasn´t because the accidents the race would have being worst…

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 18:55

        @celeste the red flag ruined it on that occasion. I think drivers were actually pushing rather a lot: apart from Vettel up front, Hamilton was hounding Webber, Perez Raikkonen and so on.

      • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 26th May 2013, 19:04

        @celeste were you watching a re run? the race was great, except for the red flag. gave a 8

        • celeste (@celeste) said on 26th May 2013, 19:19

          @omarr-pepper yes I was, I got so bored I turned off my tv and went to cook waffles, they turned out delicious if I said so myself… borin race…

          @vettel1 This doesn´t seem to me like they were allowed to push

          Radio Hamilton: “Trying to get past man.” Radio Mercedes: “Yeah, we need the tyres at the end.”

          Rocky “Alright that’s enough, you’re not getting any points for that” n Vettel “But satisfaction of not driving 77 laps slow”

          Webber radio “Look after the tyres more where Hamilton is not a threat”

          So boring race, 1 point for me, still have waffles if anyone wants…

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 22:32

            @celeste I’d take up your offer of waffles if it weren’t for some massive geographical distance between me and you I presume!

            Of course it’s all relative: they weren’t pushing by 2010 standards, but they were by 2013 which is why I liked this race. It’s still not absolutely ideal but I enjoyed seeing proper overtakes for once!

          • celeste (@celeste) said on 26th May 2013, 23:38

            @vettel1 sadly I never had like to rate on a curve system…

          • Mike (@mike) said on 27th May 2013, 5:01

            Rocky “Alright that’s enough, you’re not getting any points for that” n Vettel “But satisfaction of not driving 77 laps slow”

            They say that to Vettel almost every race. He always pushes in a fast one near the end.

            If anything, it’s indicative of Red Bull not pushing as hard as the tyres would have let them.

      • HoHum (@hohum) said on 27th May 2013, 1:59

        @celeste, I gave it 2 more than you because race 2 (re-start to finish) was pretty good.

  3. Bendanarama (@bendana) said on 26th May 2013, 15:25

    You know what? that was one of the most enjoyable races I’ve seen this year. Ten from me.

    • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 26th May 2013, 19:06

      @bendana under Monaco standards, you are right. Kudos for Perez and Sutil or entertaining us… and a kick for Grosjean, Chllton and Kimi for their irresponsible drives.

    • Jonny C (@loomx92) said on 27th May 2013, 0:56

      I personally didn’t find it that amazing (but then again I was working this afternoon so have only just watched the BBC highlights), although had I been watching the race live I’d probably given more than the 6 I gave it.

      And @omarr-pepper I agree with you kinda on the kimi bit. Great come back drive tbf, I love how the commentators were saying how he’d lost his consecutive points record and he makes back the places in the final few laps. But he should have left Perez more room. Yes it was a late move, but even so he started to move to the inside when Perez started to go and kept closing the door until there was half a cars width left. Anywhere else, okay, but Monaco with a handful of laps left, use your common sense and either try outbrake him and maybe cut the chicane worst comes to worst, or just let him by. Don’t put both of you in a situation that will hurt both of you (as it did)

  4. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 26th May 2013, 15:26

    7. For Monte Carlo, it wasn’t thaaaaaat bad.

    Sure it was tedious at times. But what else do you expect around here?

    • PJ (@pjtierney) said on 26th May 2013, 15:31

      Same. The first half wasn’t all that great but it started to pick up after the first Safety Car. Some good overtakes and the race wasn’t all about tyre wear or DRS. Not a classic but not terrible either.

    • DaveW (@dmw) said on 26th May 2013, 16:21

      I expect higher quality celebrity representatio, that’s what. There was a serious celebrity deficit. Minus 3 for that. According to the NBC promos, which showed Will Smith about 10X, I expected to see more than David Hasselhoff and Cameron Diaz. Hasselhof is barely a celebrity so that was really scraping the barrel. Diaz is past her professional prime. We can usually at least count on the Jamiroquai guys to show up.

      Next year we must have at least Bieber, the Dalai Lama, Vladimir Putin, or a celebrity roster of equivalent aggregate fame.

  5. Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 26th May 2013, 15:26

    Boring.

    • andae23 (@andae23) said on 26th May 2013, 15:30

      What race were u watching? Porsche Supercup?

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 15:35

      I really don’t get that: there wasn’t much tyre conservation, there were plenty of proper overtakes and a good strategic element. Bad driving standards for some but that was how F1 should be otherwise!

      • MJ4 said on 26th May 2013, 15:41

        there wasn’t much tyre conservation

        You’re kidding, aren’t you? The whole race was an exercise in it (perhaps the universality of it made it less noticeable).

    • Slava (@slava) said on 26th May 2013, 15:39

      Same. It was extremely boring and tedious. We were lucky to see several manoeuvres.
      Secondly, there are 3 racers that I would not like to see anymore in F1: Pastor Maldonado (even if it wasn’t all his fault, he is always in position to make a mess), Romaine Grosjean (a crushguy) and Sergio Perez (the less we say about him – the better).

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 26th May 2013, 15:50

      @joshua-mesh Why?

      • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 26th May 2013, 15:54

        Watching cars follow eachother for 70 odd laps is boring. I literally fell asleep for the first time during a GP in the last 5 years.

        • nackavich (@nackavich) said on 26th May 2013, 15:58

          The first 20-odd laps were a bit lazy, but like Martin said, it was like a spring being pulled. And when the spring was released (after the first stops) it was hard to turn away.

        • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 27th May 2013, 2:30

          @joshua-mesh

          So you didn’t fall sleep during Monaco in 2012, 2010, 2009 then? great ! well done !

          This always happens here… what do people expect from such a track?

          • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 27th May 2013, 7:43

            I dont rate tracks based on what I expect from the track itself. I rate it in comparison to the tracks it shares the calendar with.

          • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 27th May 2013, 14:33

            @joshua-mesh my point is that this wasn’t the biggest snorefest in the last 5 years… for a Grand Prix it was average, I admit. Maybe even on the boring side, but there’s been worse and you’re overreacting saying that it was the first time you fell asleep. Maybe you didn’t sleep well at night :P? (kidding, don’t take it wrong)

            I do rate tracks based on what I expect from them. I know that at Monaco it’s difficult to overtake. Hoping something else it’s just lying to myself… you should do that too. You can expect the racing we see at Canada, maybe, at a track like Monaco.

            There’s some surprises, like Valencia last year, but you can’t expect that to happen everytime.

      • MJ4 said on 26th May 2013, 17:27

        Why?

        Did any meaningful action happen at the front? One could have literally strip positions 1-4 from the race and lose nothing. It was manage, manage, manage… to race, well, they forgot about that.

        That the young and rash in the midfield created some carnage (quite predictably) should be enough for this to be considererd good racing?

    • hezla (@hezla) said on 26th May 2013, 15:52

      I totally agree. The most boring race this year.

      • Gaz said on 26th May 2013, 15:57

        I agree. It was monotonous.

        Good overtakes from Perez and Sutil added some interest, as did the crashes, but the rest of it was the most predictable and tedious race I’ve seen this year (if not for a couple of years).

        • Lari (@lari) said on 26th May 2013, 16:04

          Agreed, very boring. Monaco shouldn’t be part of today’s F1 calendar. The history and glamour feeling shouldn’t be enough to keep it in. Time to update the calendar and actually go to tracks that suit the set safety regulations and measurements for F1 track.

      • Psi (@psi) said on 27th May 2013, 8:30

        Boring race. I also believe Monaco should not longer be in F1’s calendar. The drivers can handle the race to their limits but it’s no good to watch 10-12 cars follow its other for 80% of the race. I know it is “prestigious” grand prix but we’re not here for the prince and the movie-“stars”.

    • Chema Carrasco (@chemakal) said on 26th May 2013, 15:59

      Very. Dull first have of the race. Second part only spiced by moves from those that didn’t care about scoring points. No attacks from the guys leading the championship apart from Ham’s couple of shy tries on Webber.

    • Ben (@scuderia29) said on 26th May 2013, 19:27

      @joshua-mesh
      i completely agree…cars driving slowly to make a strategy work with the odd (sometime often) amateur mistakes. Perez was a joke, at first i was enjoying his driving but then it got silly, how he thinks everybody should just move out the way for him when he attacks a corner like a raging bull was stupid, and when someone did avoid an inevitable collision (alonso) he was told to give the position to him! how can the stewards favour anyone that makes a mad dive up the inside, avoiding a collision with a mad man is now punished, ridiculous.

  6. Paul2013 said on 26th May 2013, 15:28

    My rate: 0 or -1

    Monaco should not be part of F1 seasson any more. This GP is just awful, disgusting and boring. A chain of yellow flags, safety cars, red flags, slow motion cars/ race, an unsafe circuit.

    Not even the start is good enough.

    • budchekov (@budchekov) said on 26th May 2013, 15:39

      My thoughts too, the few dry race overtaking opportunities often end in disaster so what’s the point of racing there ?
      Perhaps Bernie’s ‘soak the track with sprinklers’ idea isn’t so bonkers…
      Gave it a 5, nothing to see at the sharp end.

  7. Lauri (@f1lauri) said on 26th May 2013, 15:28

    And today Perez officially joined the crash-club (aka Crazy-GP2-club) with Maldonado (3 crashes this weekend) and chairman of the club Grosjean (4 crashes this weekend).

    Kimi was on team radio that Perez would have crashed with him if he didn’t avoid it and couple of laps lated Perez finally managed to do it.

    Perez – do the GP2 style :(

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 15:37

      @f1lauri I thought Perez’s driving was rather good. He forced none other than Alonso into submission, he was a bit touch-and-go with Button but still fair and Räikkönen didn’t give him the space in my view – that was his fault, not Perez’s.

      • Austus said on 26th May 2013, 15:43

        It wasnt bad driving. But neither was it good. He really didnt give Alonso any space there, went forced Kimi to go straight through the chicane and a few laps later, hit the wall because he tried to pass Kimi, who was already turning.

      • What space? he wasn’t even next to raikkonen at that point!

        • Latvian (@latvian) said on 26th May 2013, 15:57

          yes. he was. Raikonen closed that door too late. Perez had nowhere else to go except that wall.

          • Lari (@lari) said on 26th May 2013, 16:07

            Perez was already too late and would’ve forced them both *again* in the run off area. See my comment below for more.

          • bananarama (@bananarama) said on 26th May 2013, 16:11

            Raikkonens REAR wheels bumped into Perez’ FRONT wheels, how on earth did Perez even think about trying to be alongside into that corner.
            Its the same kind of “overtaking” I always disliked in Kobayashi, putting yourself in a place with great force so the other one can only decide to crash or not get the corner anymore is not racing in my eyes (drivers like Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton or others are able to do it differently) but I’ll have to accept if other people enjoy it. I hope Perez will get reasonable (he has been like this all season) or join Kobayashi as an ex-F1 driver.

        • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 16:17

          @gdewilde respectfully, were you actually watching the race? They had both committed in the braking zone, so you can’t return with Perez should’ve backed out. He had the front of his car alongside Räikkönen, then he turned in. Perez had absolutely nowhere to go and couldn’t do anything about it, so he hit the barrier and Räikkönen. It’s pretty clearly his fault, or a racing incident, in my view.

          • Lari (@lari) said on 26th May 2013, 16:50

            Quoting Richyb since he said it all:

            Disagree with that strongly sadly.

            The only reason some are weirdly trying to place blame at Raikkonen’s door is because we as viewers KNEW Perez would be up for it – Raikkonen is under no obligation to stay further right PREDICTING Perez might try the move and be accepting to it – and indeed when it came down to it Perez barely even had a wheel alongside Raikkonen by the corner. It is down to Perez to decide the appropriateness of an attempt – the problem for him is he has to commit so early to the lunge, that it leaves him no time to react to what the car in front is perfectly entitled to do: until Perez has actually shown any ability to pull alongside, Raikkonen can drift across where he likes towards the braking zone.

            Perez begun using that move to intimidate other drivers, it became pre-meditated nearly to the point that it didn’t matter when he utilized it; and the Raikkonen attempt was proof of that, he got far too carried away eventually. In the same way analysts criticise drivers conceding positions for using run-off areas, drivers these days can seemingly launch out of nowhere too knowing that they, AND the overtaken driver can flee across a run-off. Had Perez tried such an ill-timed moves before 1998 at that chicane, he would have been launched up in the air by the raised kerbs that were once there – and might we remember that crane barrier at the exit, has already been pushed further back because of an accident was in…

            There’s a worrying ‘computer-game’ culture emerging with some of these young drivers – Marco Marquez did a similar move in a MotoGP race recently on Jorge Lorenzo – in that it doesn’t seemingly matter anymore if you can’t stop the vehicle, and equally use your opponent as the brake, as long as you lunged you nose ahead of the other driver, that somehow gives one an automatic moral high-ground as a ‘valid’ overtake.

            Motorsport in my mind has never worked like that, ever. And heaven forbid should it start to.”

          • @vettel1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g80-CFe7_Ko
            Look at the incident from Perez’ onboard camera at the end of the video and tell me where he was close enough to make the move? Nowhere..
            He was aiming to do a kamikaze Kobayashi move on Kimi’s inside but he was waaay to optimistic and Kimi closed the door (which he is allowed to do at that point)

            Recap:
            1) He performed a brilliant move on Button there
            2) He did a half-move on Alonso (It is very simple to put a driver in a position where he is going to have an accident if he turns in = Alonso)
            3) He was nowhere near Kimi before the breaking point…

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 19:03

            The only way in which I see it being Perez’s fault is if he was too opportune on the brakes, but I don’t think he was going ridiculously fast. Raikkonen simply shouldn’t have turned in on him: if he was indeed going too fast then Perez wouldn’t have made the corner and would’ve had to give the place back anyway.

            As it stands though, Perez had his car alongside Raikkonen’s when he turned in, hence causing the collision. It was probably a racing incident, but I think that fact is unavoidable.

            @bananarama

            Its the same kind of “overtaking” I always disliked in Kobayashi, putting yourself in a place with great force so the other one can only decide to crash or not get the corner

            I think that’s perfectly legitimate: as long as they afterwards make the corner it is actually a very good move as it virtually guarantees you the position. I don’t see any problems with it personally, but it’s not something I would try on someone like Maldonado!

          • Lari (@lari) said on 26th May 2013, 21:27

            So @vettel1 if Perez was to do that every single lap until he actually got it stick, would you say that it would be right thing to do for Raikkonen (or Alonso or any other driver) to drive to the run off area to avoid collision? That would mean “Please, Perez, break always later than me and give me back the position if you can’t keep it in track, if you can, the position is yours”. That kind of behaviour isn’t something that should be encouraged at all in F1, deliberately making a move knowing the other car HAS to drive off the track to avoid collision. If that would be encouraged, then everyone would do it and we would have a demolishion derby in our hands instead of Formula 1. And to your first line, yes, he was too late on breaks and too opportunistic with his chances.

      • firstLapNutcaseGrosjean (@) said on 26th May 2013, 15:55

        Perez fault. He is just another kamikaze. No mind at all.

      • Lari (@lari) said on 26th May 2013, 15:55

        Raikkonen didn’t give him space? So everytime he wants to break late, force the other driver (and most likely himsef too) to run off area, shoud mean they should give him space and let that happen every single time? He was WAY TOO LATE with breaking there, that was just hazardous move.

        • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 26th May 2013, 19:29

          @lari… in Monaco, of course, because there’s not more to do in so narrow space. Kimi could have cut the chicane because Perez was a little behind him, so Kimi wouldn’t have been penalized, however he make honor to his “hunt the shunt” helmet and did it the hard way, which in the end only damaged his own fight for the WDC

        • Lari (@lari) said on 26th May 2013, 21:29

          @omarr-pepper if Perez was to do that every single lap until he actually got it stick, would you say that it would be right thing to do for Raikkonen (or Alonso or any other driver) to drive to the run off area to avoid collision? That would mean “Please, Perez, break always later than me and give me back the position if you can’t keep it in track, if you can, the position is yours”. That kind of behaviour isn’t something that should be encouraged at all in F1, deliberately making a move knowing the other car HAS to drive off the track to avoid collision. If that would be encouraged, then everyone would do it and we would have a demolishion derby in our hands instead of Formula 1.

        • Angelia (@angelia) said on 27th May 2013, 1:54

          Why should the driver front in cut the chicane so that the driver behind him can overtake him? Monaco has the same rules as any other circuit.

          If you cut the chicane you are leaving the circuit, so you saying it is okay for Perez to push other drivers off the track because it is Monaco.

      • RichyB (@richyb) said on 26th May 2013, 16:04

        Disagree with that strongly sadly.

        The only reason some are weirdly trying to place blame at Raikkonen’s door is because we as viewers KNEW Perez would be up for it – Raikkonen is under no obligation to stay further right PREDICTING Perez might try the move and be accepting to it – and indeed when it came down to it Perez barely even had a wheel alongside Raikkonen by the corner. It is down to Perez to decide the appropriateness of an attempt – the problem for him is he has to commit so early to the lunge, that it leaves him no time to react to what the car in front is perfectly entitled to do: until Perez has actually shown any ability to pull alongside, Raikkonen can drift across where he likes towards the braking zone.

        Perez begun using that move to intimidate other drivers, it became pre-meditated nearly to the point that it didn’t matter when he utilized it; and the Raikkonen attempt was proof of that, he got far too carried away eventually. In the same way analysts criticise drivers conceding positions for using run-off areas, drivers these days can seemingly launch out of nowhere too knowing that they, AND the overtaken driver can flee across a run-off. Had Perez tried such an ill-timed moves before 1998 at that chicane, he would have been launched up in the air by the raised kerbs that were once there – and might we remember that crane barrier at the exit, has already been pushed further back because of an accident was in…

        There’s a worrying ‘computer-game’ culture emerging with some of these young drivers – Marco Marquez did a similar move in a MotoGP race recently on Jorge Lorenzo – in that it doesn’t seemingly matter anymore if you can’t stop the vehicle, and equally use your opponent as the brake, as long as you lunged you nose ahead of the other driver, that somehow gives one an automatic moral high-ground as a ‘valid’ overtake.

        Motorsport in my mind has never worked like that, ever. And heaven forbid should it start to.

      • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 26th May 2013, 16:19

        It was an unfair ultimatum. Either you crash or you go over the chicane and give the place over. Thats not racing! That was a poor precedent set by the FIA. I’m surprised more cars didnt just dive down the inside for the free position.

      • obviously said on 26th May 2013, 16:46

        Only reason why Alonso took to the escape road is because he knew Perez is driving like an idiot and that’s why I think stewards shouldn’t have punished Alonso – his fear and intention to avoid an incident was justified.
        Needless to say, he proved it more than once in the next few laps by driving Kimi off the road and then nearly taking them both out of the race.
        When you take an evasive action with someone who has a record like Perez, I think you should be cleared by stewards since it’s obvious that Perez was going like around pushing people off the road and outbraking himself.

        • smokinjoe (@smokinjoe) said on 26th May 2013, 17:54

          YES ..I agree with you it was pre meditated .Perez just put the car in the place where other driver have to yield or to drive straight into run off area in case of alonso.After two successful overtaking moves he just got way too over ambitious and messed it up.But its a racing incident I dont like to see any stupid penalties on that

          • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 26th May 2013, 18:05

            Yep. The only way Alonso would have made that corner was if he and Parez merged their cars together into one. The FIA should be thanking Alonso for avoiding an incident, not penalising him for avoiding an incident.

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 19:05

            @joshua-mesh completely disagree. He had to run off the track, so therefore gained an advantage. It was pretty clear he had to give that place up IMO.

          • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 26th May 2013, 19:42

            @vettel1 and what do you suggest he should have done instead?

          • Deej92 (@deej92) said on 26th May 2013, 21:05

            Braked and let him passed? Perez was ahead of him so handing the place back was completely fair. If Alonso had done some of Perez’s moves people would be praising them as brilliant. The one on Raikkonen was a bit ambitious, but Raikkonen could’ve helped himself there by allowing some room. Did he think Perez was going to disappear when turning in?

          • Lari (@lari) said on 26th May 2013, 21:32

            @deej92 Raikkonen gave space to Perez already on two different occasions in the very same place before already. Not really the idea of F1 to do that every single lap just because Perez is doing hit-or-runoff move on people.

          • Deej92 (@deej92) said on 26th May 2013, 21:43

            @lari I know Perez’s move on Raikkonen was too ambitious and he has to learn to cut that sort of move out. Perez could’ve braked to avoid but Raikkonen knew Perez wasn’t budging so I feel he ran a risk when turning in like that, and it duly cost him a good amount of points.

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 26th May 2013, 22:36

            @joshua-mesh it’s pretty simple: run off the road (if Perez really was that kamikaze) and then if Perez didn’t make the chicane he would’ve had to give the place back anyway. Instead, he needlessly turned in on him. I don’t get why you’re trying to justify a driver turning in on somebody, whatever the circumstances. That’s just not what you do! Imagine if he’d done the same into spoon or another fast corner (which still requires braking): that would not have ended well.

        • Lari (@lari) said on 27th May 2013, 4:59

          @vettel1 Imagine yourself everyone breaking deliberately late on every corner just to force an overtake attempt. That’s just not what you do imo.

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 27th May 2013, 8:04

            @lari and the stewards would agree with you entirely if he persistently cut the chicane – that would merit a drive-through penalty. He didn’t though, and the only really ambitious move was on Räikkönen (and here we go back to what I’ve been saying all along).

          • Lari (@lari) said on 27th May 2013, 8:28

            Raikkonen already gave Perez two times the room for his kamikaze attempt, how many times you think he needs to do that, all 78 laps if that’s the case? Nothing ambitious keeping the normal racing line. Perez’s lack of judgment was the cause of this ambitious move. Kimi was only among many of the other drivers critizising Perez and that is not coincidence. Don’t get me wrong, I like drivers who overtake and got balls but I don’t like drivers who do that without properly setting up the move. Perez did properly set up some previous moves but not the last one. I am so glad he didn’t get to keep that ill-earned 5th place in the end.

      • Did everybody completely lose it in here??

        That means; if you can manage to stick your nose into someones racing line he is to blame? Are you serious? Imagine what racing would be like if everybody drove like Perez did yesterday: Only on rare occasions there would be two finishers of a race.

        What makes it even more evident how much Perez was at fault is his first “attempt” at which he did get at bit further alongside Kimi but was extremely lucky that Kimi was reacting fast enough allow him to plow through the chicane and prevent both from crashing. The second try was just ludicrous. It looked like a bachelor party hitting the go-cart too late in the evening.

        Hard to believe he wasn’t punished at all, but actually rewarded for one of those dangerous manuevers.

    • DaveW (@dmw) said on 26th May 2013, 16:40

      You forgot one: Felipe Massa oppan GP2 style too!

      • Rodney said on 26th May 2013, 19:45

        lol I can’t believe the comments here! so u feel like Perez is entitled to a postion just because he brakes crazily late? Its like a ‘give me that position or crash’ mentality. How would u actually support that? If what Perez did today was okay then it would be so awesome, since every driver could just brake extremely late and expect everyone else to move away for him. Thats racing, yeah (*rolls eyes*)

      • Salcrich said on 26th May 2013, 19:54

        At the end of the day everyone knew that sooner or later Perez approach today was going to end in tears as soon as he started his charge. However much we all love an aggressive push by the drivers the reality is that successful overtakes at Monaco are generally the opportunistic ones where the opponent has made a mistake or been sleeping, rather than during a normal lap in a train.

  8. disjunto (@disjunto) said on 26th May 2013, 15:29

    Few interesting moments, another completely boring Monaco GP. When 8 cars are running within half a second of each of the entire race with no real chance of overtakes where you don’t have to push the other driver off the corner to make it past there’s not much reason to watch.

    Still don’t know why people like this track as a race circuit, I’m sure it’s fun to drive, but it’s just not racing.

  9. Aimal (@aimalkhan) said on 26th May 2013, 15:29

    First half was boring as hell… second half was slightly better but nothing to shout about.

  10. dex022 (@dex022) said on 26th May 2013, 15:30

    Remove this boring rich folks track.I say that ever since famous Mansell/Senna fight and when Mansell wasn’t able to pass in 1+ second faster car.Useless race with no safety at all and safety car must go out for ever single thing.

  11. ajokay (@ajokay) said on 26th May 2013, 15:30

    I could only give that a 5. The first 32 laps just confused me. I’m just not sure what to make of it. The blast between the safety car and red flag was interesting. Then the post-red flag was everyone following each other, bar a few interesting lunges from certain drivers who tried to spark some interest, until 3 laps from the end, everyone bolted, but only after the driver in front had bolted. 100% average.

  12. Bob (@bobthevulcan) said on 26th May 2013, 15:31

    Lots of tension that didn’t quite produce much action in the first half, but Massa’s crash, Chilton’s shunt and the resulting red flag certainly changed the complexion of the race entirely. We got plenty of carnage and twists as a consequence, which was certainly entertaining, but the iffy standard of the racing still left something to be desired. Taking into account the lackluster first phase, I give it a 7.

  13. Chris (@f1-98) said on 26th May 2013, 15:32

    First half of the race was boring the second half amazing. And for the people say monaco is dull you guys aren’t real f1 fans.

    • Balazsryche (@balazsryche) said on 26th May 2013, 16:58

      If you think that any part of this race (there was no racing at all) was amazing then you know nothing about f1. 22 cars cruising half speed round n round is not racing. changing positions only when you take out the guy in front is not racing. this race was a big 0.

      • Bendanarama (@bendana) said on 26th May 2013, 17:07

        so He doesn’t agree with your opinion, therefore he knows nothing about F1, Nice.

        • Jonny C (@loomx92) said on 27th May 2013, 1:30

          I’ve been thinking exactly the same @bendana. I’ve been comparing it in my head to an argument about music taste. I don’t like your kind of music so you’re obviously stupid and know nothing.

          Do people not realise that about opinions? They are what a particular person feels about a given situation, you might differ but it doesn’t change their point of view. Granted if someone say had an opinion that the world would be better by exterminating all the jews then yeah I recon you could have your right to insult them (or start a justifiable World War)… but because they found an F1 race more exciting than you did, calm down. No need to berate them for it, just go about and live your own life without any of the un-needed nastiness.

          Personally it’s not a race that will stick in my mind for years to come (or weeks tbf), but hell, I’m thrilled you enjoyed it @f1-98.

  14. sato113 (@sato113) said on 26th May 2013, 15:33

    7.
    good for monaco. good race in general
    safety car KILLED strategy. forced everyone onto 1 stop

  15. craig-o (@craig-o) said on 26th May 2013, 15:33

    One of those great Monaco races.

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