Raikkonen and Ricciardo given two-place grid drops

2013 Canadian Grand Prix

Kimi Raikkonen, Lotus, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Montreal, 2013Kimi Raikkonen and Daniel Ricciardo have been relegated two places on the grid for the Canadian Grand Prix.

Both were found to have broken the rule requiring drivers to leave the pit lane in the order they arrived at the exit during the stoppage in Q2. Both drivers were found to have left the pits in a position that was two places higher than the one they arrived in.

Pastor Maldonado, Sergio Perez and Jean-Eric Vergne were cleared of the same infraction. All were found not to have gained positions and Maldonado had lost a place.

All five drivers claimed they started outside of the fast lane because they were intending to make practice starts. The stewards ruled “this does not alleviate the requirement to leave in the
order of arrival at the end of the pit lane”.

Raikkonen was also investigated for doing the same in Q3. However the stewards deciding against punishing him after agreeing that the car he passed, that of Mark Webber, was “unduly delayed” because he did not pull away until two seconds after Q3 had begun.

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84 comments on Raikkonen and Ricciardo given two-place grid drops

  1. Manished said on 8th June 2013, 22:29

    ROFL…as if there wasn’t enough bad luck already for Lotus camp…..

  2. Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 8th June 2013, 22:31

    2 place grid penalties exist now? Do the stewards just pick random numbers out of their rear?

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 8th June 2013, 22:36

      @kingshark

      Both drivers were found to have left the pits in a position that was two places higher than the one they arrived in.

      • scratt (@scratt) said on 8th June 2013, 22:37

        Which had zero affect on anything at all. Great decision.

        • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 8th June 2013, 22:53

          @scratt well it did break the rule and may well have affected any other’s qualifying efforts so I think the decision is reasonable. Besides, 2 places isn’t massive!

          • scratt (@scratt) said on 8th June 2013, 23:07

            No it´s not.. and tomorrow will either be a run away win in the dry for Vettel with Bottas’ Williams holding people up.. or a crap shoot in the wet. The latter will at least let Alonso and Kimi do something.

            It just irks me that the Stewards jump on this kind of thing but won´t tackle the kind of infractions we see race after race from Crashtor or Pastor.

          • Shreyas Mohanty (@) said on 9th June 2013, 14:31

            @scratt You couldn’t be more off about the dry thing. This isn’t Monaco that Bottas will hold people up. In dry, He will be overtaken rapidly until he is among his own herd again. You fail to see that both Lotus and Ferrari are very easy on their tyres (the reason for under-performance in wet), so they will have great race pace! So this is when Kimi and Alonso will begin their charge.

          • scratt (@scratt) said on 9th June 2013, 15:13

            Possible. However, the Red Bull is still fast, and passing is not as easy as you seem to think.

            I think you are being way over optimistic.

            Alonso and Kimi are not just going to breeze past 6 – 8 drivers and roll up behind Vettel and pass him. It doesn´t happen like that on any kind of track; one with or without good passing opportunities.

          • Harry Westwood (@sirspuddington) said on 9th June 2013, 16:41

            Guys, guys, let’s all remember… The setup they qualify on is the one they use for the race, right? what if teams like ferrari and lotus just planned ahead hoping the race was dry and went for a better race setup? Ah, speculation… There’s only one way to know for sure, right?

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th June 2013, 23:05

          @scratt As I explained to you earlier it may have affected the laps of the drivers they took position from. It stands to reason that’s why the rule is there to begin with.

          • scratt (@scratt) said on 8th June 2013, 23:08

            rgr that. :) Was just going to reply actually.
            My real frustration is actually explained in the comment I just left above.

    • Manished said on 8th June 2013, 22:36

      hahaha, i believe their plan to introduce points system would be denied by all teams given the stewarding panels lacking credibility in giving out judgment.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th June 2013, 22:38

      @kingshark The rules state (and have done for some time) that the stewards may impose “a drop of any number of grid positions”. Still I think this is the first time we’ve had a two-place drop. Three, five and ten have been seen before.

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th June 2013, 23:03

        Also, Raikkonen and Ricciardo only end up losing one place each due to the way the rules work. Explanation here.

      • firstLapNutcaseGrosjean (@) said on 8th June 2013, 23:41

        Yeah, but not for this! This is first time in history?! Plus how much the team guilt was?

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 9th June 2013, 0:12

          @sorin It wasn’t the teams’ fault at all – it was down to Raikkonen and Ricciardo where they stopped at the pit exit and how many cars they passed when they pulled away.

          I don’t really understand the other part of your comment. It’s against the rules and if rules were never enforced for a first time they’d never be enforced at all.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 9th June 2013, 10:07

      I think its good that the stewards have gone from giving a standard 5 place grid penalty to actually think about how much of an advantage was gained @kingshark. As its only 2 spots, its pretty clear that the advantage was not that great.

    • Younger Hamii (@younger-hamii) said on 9th June 2013, 11:10

      @kingshark Keith just explained multiple times what I was going to say but since I was looking at the regulations briefly before seeing your comment I might as well dig it out:

      “In the event of a driving infringement during any practice session the Stewards may drop the
      driver such number of grid positions as they consider appropriate. Unless it is completely clear
      that a driver committed a driving infringement any such incident will normally be investigated
      after the relevant session.”

      Qualifying, according to the regulations, is still a ‘practice session’, just mentioning it to avoid any further disputes. I do find it a bit strange how they’ve now started giving 2/3 grid penalties, like with Hamilton in India 2011, the latter was the first I’ve heard of such a grid drop other than the ‘standard’ 5/10 grid drops. A 2 place grid drop is fittingly appropriate as both Raikkonen and Ricciardo did exit the pits two places higher than they entered the pits when the red flag came out.

  3. Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 8th June 2013, 22:32

    Good news for his rivals.

  4. David-A (@david-a) said on 8th June 2013, 22:37

    However the stewards deciding against punishing him after agreeing that the car he past, that of Mark Webber, was “unduly delayed” because he did not pull away until two seconds after Q3 had begun.

    Jeez, this guy just isn’t good at getting away from a standstill…

    • Oblong_Cheese (@oblong_cheese) said on 8th June 2013, 23:56

      I think you will find he was waiting for his team mate to leave the pits… but I’m pretty sure you’re joking!

      Come now, we couldn’t expect Webber to pull a Hamilton leaving the pits at Canada, eh? ;-)

    • obviously said on 9th June 2013, 14:26

      Jeez, this guy just isn’t good at getting away from a standstill…

      I laughed SOOOOO hard on this one! XD

  5. Alexander (@alexanderfin) said on 8th June 2013, 22:39

    Does this mean kimi can choose his starting tyres tomorrow??

  6. Victor. (@victor) said on 8th June 2013, 22:40

    Is that rule relatively recent? Because I remember Kubica overtaking everyone by simply starting next to whoever was in front in quali in I think Malaysia 2010 it was.

  7. Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 8th June 2013, 22:47

    How, exactly, does this affect anything? I’m not even sure what they’ve done.

  8. DaveF1 (@davef1) said on 8th June 2013, 22:48

    Absolutely ridiculous penalty that affected nobody in the end.

    But anyway if it was a dry quali would it mean that Ricciardo still had to start on the tyres he qualified on or could he choose?

    • Mads (@mads) said on 8th June 2013, 23:03

      @davef1
      Whether it affected others or not isn’t all that relevant. If a driver is caught speeding in the pitlane he is also penalized. The rules are the rules and they must be followed.

  9. George (@george) said on 8th June 2013, 22:49

    I think this is fair to be honest, it looked pretty messy from the outside, especially considering the guys at the back didn’t manage to make it before the flag.

  10. Angelia (@angelia) said on 8th June 2013, 22:49

    I have seen drivers do this before, and no action was taken, the FIA is very consistent as usual.

      • Angelia (@angelia) said on 9th June 2013, 2:06

        I must admit that I forgot about the rule from 2011. Rules are rules so the penalty was right.

        But again the FIA could be more consistent, as we often see drivers racing each other in the pitlane during a race without any penalties. Or drivers who only receiving reprimands for speeding in yellow zones. And in the last race drivers who were skipping the chicane as often as they wanted, the FIA used the be pretty strict about skipping the chicane. Or Rosberg blocking the other drivers today in qualifying, previously these types of cases have been penalized.
        All of these examples are much more dangerous then two drivers lining up in the pitlane, and not driving out in the right position.

        But that is how it goes, that is the FIA for you.

        • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 9th June 2013, 11:53

          we often see drivers racing each other in the pitlane during a race without any penalties

          The operative term here is “racing”. Ricciardo and Raikkonen were not racing – they were qualifying, and the rules dictate that they must leave the pits in a specific order. They didn’t, and so they got a penalty for it.

          Or drivers who only receiving reprimands for speeding in yellow zones.

          Again, it depends on when the infraction was committed. If they speed in yellow zones during qualifying or the race, they are going to get a ahrsher penalty than if they do it during free practice. And the rules on the proper procedure for yellow flags were rewritten in 2011.

          And in the last race drivers who were skipping the chicane as often as they wanted, the FIA used the be pretty strict about skipping the chicane.

          And then they got the drivers’ steward in, and they have relaxed the rules about cutting over the chicane. They cannot do it intentionally, but the stewards won’t punish them for makign genuine mistakes.

          Or Rosberg blocking the other drivers today in qualifying

          The definition of a block holds that a driver has blocked if he forces another driver to slow down on their flying lap. And the stewards have access to the telemetry from each car, so if the drivers following Rosberg didn’t have to back off because of him, then he didn’t block them. There’s also a tolerance for wet weather.

          See, the problem is that you’re assuming an infraction has been committed based on a single camera angle. The stewards have access too all the footage from all the angles, pit-to-car radio transmissions, telemetry and probably half a dozen other tools. They are much better equipped than you or I to judge these things.

  11. sato113 (@sato113) said on 8th June 2013, 22:53

    rubbish. i like to see racing out of the pits!
    or is this more about lining up nicely at pit exit…?

  12. ShaneB457 (@shaneb12345678910) said on 8th June 2013, 22:54

    Raikkonen’s love affair with the Montreal pit lane continues…

  13. TerrenceF1 said on 8th June 2013, 23:18

    Good decision by FIA. Now I’m more interested for your next ridiculous investigations. Looking forward to it.

  14. JALKMFE said on 8th June 2013, 23:30

    What a joke Formula 1 is now, with a bunch of stupid rules. There’s no more racing? tires are a joke. And now if a driver farts some stupid gives him a place penalty. **** them.

  15. f1_paul said on 8th June 2013, 23:34

    So Perez will start behind Raikkonen…
    It may be interesting… ;)

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