Antonio Felix da Costa, Red Bull, Yas Marina, 2013

Red Bull ‘considering Young Drivers’ Test boycott’

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Antonio Felix da Costa, Red Bull, Yas Marina, 2013In the round-up: Red Bull have threatened to hold their own test instead of appearing at the Young Drivers’ Test following the outcome of last week’s FIA Tribunal.


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Red Bull may put FIA to test (The Times, subscription required)

“Red Bull executives are considering boycotting the young drivers’ test to set up their own private session in a mirror of the Mercedes case. A private test would breach the FIA rule book but Red Bull are said to have told [Bernie] Ecclestone that they would take the risk of a reprimand – the punishment meted out to Mercedes – for the benefit of three days of testing.”

Maldonado says FW35 suits Bottas better (Autosport)

“We have different driving styles, he drives very gently and is very smooth with the car – this is not my way. My way is to put energy into the car and that is how I was very quick last year.”

Pirelli bringing experimental hard tyre to Silverstone again (NBC)

“Pirelli will bring their prototype new hard tyre for teams to use in practice for this weekend?s British Grand Prix at Silverstone.”

New F1 Side Impact System (FIA Institute)

“The current side impact system deploys crushable tube structures attached to the side of the chassis. Although extremely effective during normal impacts, they can break off during oblique impacts due to the extremely high tangential forces that are generated during the first few milliseconds of an impact. So Mellor engaged with the F1 teams to help develop solutions to the problem. Marussia, McLaren, Mercedes and Red Bull Racing each stepped forward.”

‘British GP win the ultimate’ (Sky)

Lewis Hamilton: “Silverstone is just one of the greatest races of the year because it is your home grand prix, where you grew up and have all your home fans, it’s definitely by far the ultimate race of the year and when you win here it’s almost like winning the championship.”

Rookie diary – Caterham?s Giedo van der Garde (F1)

“In terms of my transition to F1, I wouldn?t say I?m pleased as there?s still a lot more to come, from me and the car, but so far I?m happy with how I?m adapting to the step up to F1. I think if I hadn?t had the time with the team last year it would all be a lot more challenging, but I spent enough time with the team at races and the factory in 2012 to have had an idea of what was to come, and I think that?s made the transition to F1 easier than it may have been coming in cold.”

Rookie Max Chilton eyes a Silver lining at British GP (The Sun)

“My absolute goal for Marussia this year is to get the first point for the team. It would be fantastic to achieve that.”


Comment of the day

Rule-bending ain’t what it used to be, says William Katz:

It?s undeniable that the history of Formula 1 is one of those who push the boundaries of the regulations. It?s just a shame that this regulation pushing was more of a courtroom drama and less of an on-track development.

It?s one thing to build a car that can dump it?s liquid-cooled brake reservoirs, it?s entirely another to scamper off in to the shadows to run a tire test. I?m fine with the former, the latter is uninteresting.
William Katz (@Hwkii)

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However we can wish a happy birthday to Patrick Tambay, who is 64 today.

After driving for Surtees and Theodore in 1977, Tambay had the misfortune to join McLaren as they were heading into their late-seventies decline. He scored a handful of points in 1978 but the following season was a disaster.

Following a year away Tambay endured a difficult 1981 with Theodore and Ligier. That might have been it for him in F1 but the following year he was called up by Ferrari to replace Gilles Villeneuve aftter he was killed.

Tambay spent a year and a half with the team, winning twice, but was unable to recapture the high with Renault or Haas and retired at the end of 1986.

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96 comments on “Red Bull ‘considering Young Drivers’ Test boycott’”

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  1. Great COTD unfortunately spoiled by the heading article which doesn’t even deserve the time of day. It’s propaganda, a political storm in a tea cup that again the media has had a wiff of a run with it. Unfortunately this site has lost the wisdom to filter this rubbish out.

  2. There’s a few interesting asides in Matthew Syed’s interview with Ecclestone in today’s Times ( – subscription required). Whilst the article focuses on Ecclestone’s personal life, it does note that Syed was with Ecclestone when he found out about the FIA tribunal’s ruling and relays how Ecclestone was told the decision by Jean Todt, and the preceded to speak to Toto Wolff and leave a message for Christian Horner. It also notes Ecclestone’s thoughts about his possible incarceration for bribery (“I am not guilty of anything except being got at. But if I get sent to jail, I will have to deal with it. I don’t think I will like it very much. But you have to get on with things”).

  3. I hope Red Bull do, seeing them suspended for a few races might liven up F1 again. Mercedes obviously thought they had permission or at least the answers to their questions were so vague they could get away with it. If Red Bull set up a private test now it’s a deliberate and petulant rule break.

    1. By your logic the rules are now different from before. Mercedes broke the rules whether the claim not intending to or not.

    2. Red Bull and Ferrari should go ahead and just do their own private tests. What is the FIA going to do? Exclude the two most important teams on the grid right now? Ban Alonso and Vettel from the championship?

      It looks like Rd Bull and Ferrari have the opportunity to twist the FIA’s arm if they like, and I think they should do it

  4. In light of what fans and teams believe, I’d like to repeat that the YDT ban for Mercedes is vastly underestimated.

    Compared to a tyre test, this is a full fletched test where you can do anything you want to. Pirelli would have never allowed Mercedes to bolt on never-raced updates; that would have contaminated the data. At the young drivers test on the other hand they can do that, with tyres that are known by now.
    I also see the eagerness to downplay the input of a “young driver”. Most teams actually do not run a young driver, but a driver who has extensive experience in both other racing series AND the inhouse simulator. Resr assured: they know perfectly how to drive, operate and set up a f1 car! Therefore, the quality of their input will be only slightly behind that of a regular f1 driver (so much for Marko’s comments). Even beside that, the teams run a huge amount of sensors, racks and visflow paint. Even completely without any input of the driver, they will be able to gather huge amounts of data. Mercedes drove with until now never used tyres, will most likely not have been able to test any updates and were limited to 1000km’s. You can do an additional 500-750km’s on the same 3 days if you want to.

    Anybody who thinks the loss of that test is nothing more th a slap on the wrist, should take a deep breath and question himself if his view isn’t biased. Everybody up to and including Keith (yeah sorry man), and especially ferrari and red bull. People were very eager to point out the numerous advantages one could get out of a tyre test, but the same people apperently aren’t able to do that for what is really a full fletched in-season test.

  5. I would do exactly what RBR have suggested and use the softest penalty ever in the history of F1 for a very clear, calculated breech of the regulations as a precedent for a non-penalty which should result from a test session of their own.

    However I would test it with STR instead of the top squad. If the penalty is different to the sham penalty given to Mercedes then appeal it to kingdom come. If you get away with it, like Mercedes have, then open the gates to Catalunya and let everybody test!

    I have a sick feeling in regards to the whole issue. Mercedes did the wrong thing, made up some soft excuse and it worked. In my opinion it worked because Mercedes management knows that f1 needs Mercedes more than Mercedes needs f1, and Mercedes probably threatened to walk away if a large penalty was handed out so the result was a predictably soft penalty.

    But will RBR have the testicular fortitude to follow through with their threats? Well, get STR down to a track, any track and get testing!

    1. And where will STR/RBR get tires from?

      And if they did get tires, would they be for 10% of 100km on this years tires and 90% of 1000km for ideas on 2014 tires?

      And if instead they somehow get tires and decide to make it a regular F1 test, how will the other teams react to THAT massive advantage given that the Mercedes test was a Pirelli test run by Pirelli and only 100km of it was on this year’s tires?

      This is, as many people have opined, just RBR embarrassing themselves with childish whining, after they themselves were the most vocal for changes to the tires.

  6. Pretty ambitious stuff from Chilton…

  7. I actually hope that RedBull do that.

  8. Wow…love how Red Bull and Ferrari trying to make MB look bad when they get accused of cheating constantly… I think they just like the shadow cast off them… Ferrari with their own test and Red Bull of all people HAHAHAHA… isnt their motto “If you aren’t cheatin, you arent trying”?? I hear that is replacing “fgives you wings..” … seriously though…go cry in a corner

  9. A few statements;
    Mercedes have been punished for breaking FIA rules.
    RBR complained about that rule breaking but haven’t said they would do the same.

    So if the FIA are saying missing the YDT is equivalent to the illegal Pirelli test, why can’t the teams taking part use their first line drivers just like Mercedes did?

  10. I’m not seeing Redbull doing that, but i would love the to take a shot at, with Toro Rosso perhaps…
    But if not, i’m sure about one thing, RBR and Ferrari will be at their best in this season and on the next one, if Mercedes won’t at least be at the same level they will pass a poor image…Because with a test that give them such as data as this and not be at the same level is a bit of a shame.

    Maybe the words from Hamilton regarding Ferrari will start to make sense

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