Red Bull to run Ricciardo at Young Drivers’ Test

2013 F1 season

Daniel Ricciardo, Toro Rosso, Nurburgring, 2013Daniel Ricciardo will drive for Red Bull in this week’s Young Drivers’ Test in the clearest signal yet he is being considered for a place at the team in 2014.

Red Bull announced a revised driver line-up for this week’s test following the FIA’s decision to allow race drivers to participate.

Ricciardo will be one of five drivers to get behind the wheel of the RB9 during the three days of running.

Antonio Felix da Costa and Carlos Sainz Jnr, who were previously confirmed to be driving for Red Bull at the test, will run on the mornings of the three test days.

Ricciardo will have his run on Wednesday afternoon, taking over from Da Costa. On Thursday Da Costa will hand over to Mark Webber, and Sebastian Vettel will drive on Friday afternoon following Sainz’s run.

Ricciardo’s Toro Rosso team mate and fellow Red Bull development driver Jean-Eric Vergne has not been given a test.

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106 comments on Red Bull to run Ricciardo at Young Drivers’ Test

  1. PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 16th July 2013, 9:46

    I think they should run JEV too, if anything you can compare the two of them in a high pressure situation

  2. Sergio Perez (@sergio-perez) said on 16th July 2013, 9:50

    Sounds like a shootout. I think Ricciardo will get the drive. And deservedly so. Da Costa will step up to Toro Rosso. And a full Renault 3.5 year for Sainz Junior next year.

  3. sandy (@sandy) said on 16th July 2013, 9:55

    I am a bit puzzled. That is 1.5 days of regular driver’s driving for red bull. I thought only 1 day was allowed.

  4. Girts (@girts) said on 16th July 2013, 10:02

    Christian Horner recently said that ‘It is always preferential to test with race drivers rather than test drivers’. Now Red Bull are voluntarily letting test drivers do 50% of the job.

  5. Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1) said on 16th July 2013, 10:15

    This basically means that Riccardo will drive at Red Bull. Unfortunatley he seems like a nice guy, so that means that Marko and Vettel will put him in num.2 status.

    At least he’s got character, unlike most of the new crop of F1 drivers.

    • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 16th July 2013, 10:27

      @full-throttle-f1 – He’ll only be number two at Red Bull so long as Vettel is there to be number one. If he’s still there when Vettel leaves, what’s to say he won’t become number one by default. The ability to take over as lead driver if Vettel should leave the team to be taken out of action (like Schumacher in 1999) is a skill Red Bull would certainly consider in any driver they are looking to take on.

    • Girts (@girts) said on 16th July 2013, 10:33

      @full-throttle-f1 I think it’s not certain yet, this test just confirms that he is on the list of candidates (they cannot invite Raikkonen to tests anyway). If RBR knew for sure that Ricciardo would replace Webber, then I think they would give him more time in the car but even da Costa will be able to drive more laps.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 16th July 2013, 11:26

        Yes, but its clearly safe to say that JEV will be looking for a new job for next year @girts, that is one battle won for Ricciardo. Would be funny if from now on he faired like Perez did in the second half of last year and Vergne beat him solidly :-)

        • celeste (@celeste) said on 16th July 2013, 15:34

          I agree with @girts , if Ricciardo gets the seat it doesn´t mean that he will be a nomber 2, same as Webber never was, if you want a example of driver number too si Grosjean, Barrichelo and Massa. Even now that Webber is on his way out of the team they are giving him half afternoon to test tyres, contrary to Lotus who isn´t giving Grosjean the same chance.

          And I don´t think that Vergne is necessary out of a job @bascb , but he really need to improeve.

          As I see it the drivers with a really chance to go to Toro Rosso if Ricciardo gets promoted is Da Costa (even when IMHO he isn´t doing that great job this year), Calado and Cecotto. Sainz is way too young

      • obviously said on 16th July 2013, 12:01

        Obviously, they CAN invite Raikkonen just as they can invite Riccardo. As far as I can tell, both drivers are regular F1 drivers driving for the rival teams. Except, Red Bull and Torro Rosso have something to admit, since I can for the life of me imagine a team giving a taste of their car to a rival driver. Imagine how much he could relay back to his own team. I thought 3 or 4 cars per team still isn’t allowed?

        • MartyF1 said on 16th July 2013, 16:15

          The mental image of Lotus grilling Kimi for details about the RB9 is hilarious.
          Eric: So tell us what was it like?
          Kimi: Fast.
          Eric: Ok, and where do they have the edge on our performance?
          Kimi: My lap time was lower.
          Eric: Umm, can you give us any details about where we can improve?
          Kimi: No. I must poop.

      • Adrian (@adrians) said on 16th July 2013, 12:19

        I’m curious. Why can’t Raikkonen test for Red Bull? Like Raikkonen, Ricciardo is a full-time driver of another team. Surely the rules don’t give special consideration to Red Bull/Toro Rosso just because they’re sister teams?

        • Nick (@nick101) said on 16th July 2013, 12:27

          Bloody good point @adrians, but I suspect it would be in somewhat bad taste on Kimi’s part if he was to partake in a mid season test with a rival team!

          Dan is driving for a different team, but they’re not really rivals.

        • I’m afraid it’s a tad different and i’m sure Raikkonen himself wouldn’t want to test for Red Bull if he was offered. Why would he spend a day potentially improving his title rival’s car to the detriment of his current team? … leaving aside the contracts he has at Lotus.

          Toro Rosso is the Red Bull “sister” team and their drivers are Red Bull “property”.

        • MazdaChris (@mazdachris) said on 16th July 2013, 13:13

          @adrians Nothing to do with the rules, it’ll be because of contracts. Raikkonen’s contract certainly won’t allow for him to drive a test for a rival team, and let’s face it, Red Bull wouldn’t like a rival team’s driver sitting in their garage and getting a good look at their current race car. Toro Rosso is a bit unusual in that it’s a ‘feeder’ team for Red Bull, so they’re not exactly going to prevent their drivers testing for RBR.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 16th July 2013, 13:44

      This could just be a tactic to get Kimi to settle for less, but I hope not.

    • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 16th July 2013, 16:18

      @full-throttle-f1 probably just a way to push Kimi make up his mind, and to see how fast Ricciardo can be

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 16th July 2013, 16:30

      @full-throttle-f1 Webber isn’t number 2 because of any reason other than him being much slower than Vettel.
      If Ricciardo qualifies on pole and drives off into the distance like Vettel often does, Red Bull won’t make him give the place up like Ferrari would (for example)

  6. PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 16th July 2013, 10:20

    They should run JEV too to better compare them, its only fair.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 16th July 2013, 10:36

      @pmccarthy_is_a_legend They’ve had ample opportunity to compare them side-by-side in the same team for the last year and a half.

      • PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 16th July 2013, 14:17

        @keithcollantine yes, they did, and that’s the very reason they should give Vergne a run. Their results have been comparable over the last year and a half. A case could be made that JEV has delivered better results actually. Finished last season ahead on points (16 to 10 despite having 4 non finishes compared to Ricciardo’s 1) and has scored more points this year too despite having retired four times against Ricciardo’s 1 so far. My impression is that Ricciardo performs well on Saturday’s as his driving style switches the tires on quicker than JEV’s, whereas Vergne is the better racer on Sundays.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 16th July 2013, 14:53

          If you look at how Red Bull prefer to win their races so far, it could well be that a driver who puts it on the first row is exactly what they need though @pmccarthy_is_a_legend, becasue their cars are less effective when they have to run in traffic to get back up there.

          • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 16th July 2013, 18:29

            becasue their cars are less effective when they have to run in traffic to get back up there.

            Vettel in Abu Dhabi 2012, and Webber in Valencia 2012 and Germany 2013 (oh, last week) can prove you wrong

          • spoutnik (@spoutnik) said on 16th July 2013, 22:34

            indeed they prefer to put 1 and 2 even 2 cars is better on the front row. But as @omar-pepper said they are good everywhere.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 17th July 2013, 8:58

            @omarr-pepper – ehm, I do not really think that Abu Dhabi 2012 showed that at all. If anything, it showed that teams can make a different setup to suit the race, but I doubt anyone would gamble on doing something like a pitlane start apart from the extreme cases like Vettels qualifying annulement there.
            Valencia 2012 showed Vettel leading from the pole until his car gave up, how does that prove the Red Bull is not at its best from first row? Last week Vettel and Webber were up front from the start, with only Hamilton in front. Yes, Vettel had to push to stay there, but he was at the front and stayed there.

            Sure, in those last 2 races Webber had a good strategy with the right tyres at the right moment to get back pretty close, and a bit of luck with the safetycar (that played a factor in all of them). That just shows Red Bull is not a one trick pony. But it does not mean that they don’t work best when getting the front row and staying there.

        • Thomas (@infi24r) said on 16th July 2013, 14:54

          Anyone with a bit of F1 common sense knows points in a Torro Rosso is not the same as points in a Red Bull. A Torro Rosso gets points on a random ocassion. A Red Bull gets points every race.

          So they need a driver who can qualify well and finishes ahead more often than not. Thats Ricciardo.

        • nackavich (@nackavich) said on 16th July 2013, 14:59

          @pmccarthy_is_a_legend You’re forgetting two situations where Ricciardo would’ve scored more points than Vergne last year: Monza (where he lost drive at the last corner and he lost places) and Korea (where I think he had brake problems when he was leading Vergne).

          Even though Vergne finished ahead on points, Ricciardo got the car into point scoring positions more often.
          Their race pace is often more evenly matched but having looked at the lap times after some of the races this season Ricciardo has had the edge on general pace on the longer stints.
          His qualifying performances trump Vergne, and he performs well under pressure.
          Also, I’ve yet to see Ricciardo drop it or make mistakes in practice or in the race. Usually you see drivers (like Vettel) make mistakes in practice because they’re finding the limit, but even when Vergne has made a mistake, Ricciardo keeps it on the road and is still quicker..

  7. Diego (@ironcito) said on 16th July 2013, 10:21

    It’s difficult to speak from the outside, but if I were Red Bull, I think that I would give the seat to one of these young drivers instead of Raikkonen. Kimi is getting old (for a F1 driver), he’s hard to work with (doesn’t like PR, etc), and he’s probably expensive. Besides, the norm for top teams nowadays is to have clear “number one” and “number two” drivers, likely because it works better than having two “number ones” clashing egos. It could very well be that hiring Kimi ends up paying off, but it’s a gamble. And given that Red Bull’s status quo has given them greal results, I’m not sure that I’d be willing to make that gamble.

    • Lucas Wilson (@full-throttle-f1) said on 16th July 2013, 10:32

      +1 COTD

    • Kimi4WDC said on 16th July 2013, 12:30

      They have too. That is what Horner implies when he says, “we need two strongest drivers”. They need another scoring machine along side Vettel. They don’t care as much about Vettel not getting his fifth title. What Horner is trying to cover is the fifth WCC, that is more and more likely under the threat from arguably best line-up on the grid, Hamilton and Rosberg. That is why Red Bull is so keen on Raikkonen, who a Webber’s better in pretty much every department – and those kind of drivers hard to come by lately.

      And if next years Red Bull turns out to be a bad car, again, you can’t name many drivers on the grid right now beside Vettel and Raikkonen who a guaranteed to outperform the car to maximize the points.

      • JCost (@jcost) said on 16th July 2013, 13:54

        Wow. Vettel is yet to win his 4th. Is leading and has the upper hand but let’s not count out Alonso and Kimi just yet.

        • M Dickens (@sgt-pepper) said on 16th July 2013, 15:27

          (@jcost)
          Depressingly the fourth looks virtually guaranteed – the Red Bulls since 2009 have simply been too strong for any other drivers to compete with. This is also the main reason I’d rather see Kimi in the RB seat in 2014. Everyone feels the new regulations will be a massive shake up, but I suspect that inevitably Newey will once again design a vastly superior car and the old status quo will remain relatively in tact. It would be nice to see some proper competition at the front for a change, which we haven’t seen since Webber had his spirit crushed and stopped caring.

          Sigh.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 16th July 2013, 17:00

            @sgt-pepper – So Webber’s spirit gets crushed whenever he has a faster teammate? Anyway, this year, we do have competition at the front, with four teams winning races and regularly in contention, but no-one has lived with Vettel’s consistency.

            It’d be good to see Kimi at Red Bull though. I can agree with you on that.

          • Jon Sandor (@jonsan) said on 16th July 2013, 20:40

            Do you actually follow F1 at all? No competition? Vastly superior car? Cars too strong for anyone else to compete with?

            Vettel won five races in 2010 en route to to winning the title by just four points. He won five races in 2012, winning the title by just three points. Both years featured far more competition at the front than did 2005 and 2006, never mind 2004.

          • M Dickens (@sgt-pepper) said on 18th July 2013, 14:56

            (@jonsan)
            *sigh*
            Although the Lotus and the Mercs are occasionally near the front, they completely lack consistency. The Ferrari is also clearly slower than the RB, but has also been more consistent, has also been more consistent than Lotus and Mercedes.

            The RB is both the fastest, and the most consistent at being fastest. Saying a season is ‘competetive,’ by using 2004 as an example is plainly just silly. Throughout 2010 the RB was blatantly the fastest, he just made more mistakes, and in 2012 it was clearly left hugely dominant with the Asia update. Before the update he was actually behind in the standings, despite the Ferrari being multiple seconds off the pace.

            (@david-a)
            Losing 2010 clearly defeated his spirit yes, it’s a shame really. And glad we agree on Kimi going to RB – it all depends upon if the management has the balls or not and will really highlight just the point of Red Bull in F1 now – is it the Newey-and-Vettel-PR-Excersise, or an actual F1 team that wants to get the best results it can. I really hope for the latter.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 18th July 2013, 21:07

            @sgt-pepper @jonsan @david-a

            despite the Ferrari being multiple seconds off the pace

            That was not true at any point during the 2012 season.

            Over the first four races Ferrari were on average 1.26% off the pace (less than that in three of those races, the figure being skewed slightly because neither driver reached Q3 in Melbourne). Over a typical 90-second lap that’s a deficit of 1.143s. That was the high watermark of Ferrari’s deficit, and it was far less than “multiple seconds”.

            Ferrari closed the gap significantly from round five onwards. In only one of the remaining sixteen races were they more than 1% off the pace. Their average deficit over those races was 0.63% – that’s 0.567s over a 90-second lap. For your claim of “multiple seconds” per lap to be true F1 lap times would need to be well over five minutes long.

            On top of that we should remember that Red Bull were not the pace-setters at every race (they were at 7 out of 20), nor were they the fastest team on average. Red Bull’s average deficit over the season was 0.38% to Ferrari’s 0.75%. Therefore the difference between the two over the entire season was 0.37%, or 0.333s over our typical lap.

            All this data comes from this article:

            Who had the fastest car? Performance data analysed

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 18th July 2013, 22:33

            @sgt-pepper

            As Keith points out, Ferrari were not “multiple seconds off the pace” in 2012. In 2010, yes, Vettel made a few mistakes, but so did Alonso (Australia lap 1 collision, China jump start, missed Monaco qualifying, Britain illegal overtake, Belgium crash), and Webber (Australia crash with Hamilton, Valencia crash with Kovalainen, Korea crash, plain underperformance in Bahrain and Abu Dhabi). Yeah, RBR were fastest, but Vettel had the most car unreliability and worst luck of the title contenders. That is why the title wasn’t wrapped up earlier.

            Webber’s spirit wasn’t “crushed” by his title loss in 2010. In 2011, Webber even made less mistakes, was more consistent and scored more points. But Vettel, aged 23 at the beginning of 2011, simply improved further. And no engine or brake failures stopped him like numerous occasions in 2010.

            With regards to Kimi Raikkonen, Vettel has already made it clear after the German Grand Prix that he doesn’t really care about who will be in the other seat, whether Kimi or Daniel. Therefore it is up to Kimi Raikkonen himself, and indeed, Red Bull, who show signs of wanting Raikkonen in the team.

    • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 16th July 2013, 12:53

      The only problem with having a clear number 1 and number 2 driver, is that it’s not necessarily the best for the team in terms of the constructors championship.

      It may be better when preferring 1 driver over the other, but it often means that winning the constructors championship is much more difficult, because the #1 driver will be achieving good results, while the #2 driver will achieve only mediocre results.

      Personally, I think that Raikkonen is the right choice for Red Bull because it will give them the best opportunity to win the Constructors.

      • Diego (@ironcito) said on 16th July 2013, 13:19

        Well, that depends. Taking a simplistic view, yes, instead of having one driver getting good results and one driver getting mediocre results, they would have two drivers getting good results. But that’s not always the whole story. With two top drivers fighting each other, they could crash on the track, or at least hurt each other’s chances. Things could get nasty and create division within the team, an uneasy work environment, and things like that. Remember the times of Senna, Prost, Mansell. There’s a reason why most top teams go with the “one-two” approach, even if they want to win the WCC.

        • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 16th July 2013, 18:39

          @ironcito @tophercheese21 remember 2007, and summing Hamilton- Alonso vs Massa-Raikkonen, McLaren were “virtual” champions. (Put aside the spygate for a moment). That can give you 2 things to think about:
          1. Having 2 great drivers can give you the WDC, but can spoil your WDC.
          2. Remember Brazil 2008 finale, the Ferrari faces? They were so sad, yet they were WCC, so even when money-wise, WDC is more important, in their hearts they just battle for the WDC. If not, Massa would right now be sacked, because having him clearly means, year after year, denying themselves a shot at the WCC

          • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 16th July 2013, 18:41

            Ouch, typo again @ironcito @tophercheese21
            1. Having 2 great drivers can give you the WDC WCC, but can spoil your WDC.

          • Diego (@ironcito) said on 16th July 2013, 19:38

            @omarr-pepper Agreed, and I think that the WDC is what it’s all about. The champion driver is the one who makes the headlines, gets the sponsors, becomes a household name and goes down in the history books. The WCC is nice, but nowhere near as important. And again, this is all referring strictly to results on the track. There are other, less direct things to consider when having two “number ones”, like internal feuds, drivers leaving rather than putting up with their teammate, and so on. For us fans, no doubt we would like two champions with a top car, à la Senna-Prost. But for the team, I think it would be risky.

          • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 17th July 2013, 17:04

            Ferrari get the most money, whether they finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the WCC! And while McLaren have their achievements in the WCC on their pit walls, who could remember how many WCCs Ferrari have won? But yes, the glory is in the WDC.

    • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 16th July 2013, 13:12

      “he’s hard to work with (doesn’t like PR, etc), and he’s probably expensive”

      Well he may not like PR, but he has driven for McLaren and Ferrari, two very PR intensive teams. So he may not like it, but he’ll clearly do as he is told when it comes down to it. So far as him being expensive, well he is a world champion and has won 20 grands prix, I think he has earned the right to be expensive. :p

      For me the biggest thing that should put Red Bull off of signing Raikkonen is the fact that if they do, they’ll be passing up another two talented STR youngsters which will call into question the purpose of (a) the Red Bull Young Driver Programme and (b) them owning Scuderia Toro Rosso. If I was a talented young member of the RBYDP and I saw Red Bull signing Raikkonen I would wonder if it is even useful to be a member of the programme. To date the RBYDP has put a lot of drivers into F1 only to see them get dropped by STR and then go into the wilderness (some at absurdly young ages and after showing a bit of promise), not exactly the glittering career you hope for when signing up with them.

      • Stagger (@stagger) said on 16th July 2013, 18:27

        I dont think that the RBYDP will keep them from signing Kimi.
        I believe that all the top teams prefer to have top driver in their car in any given point instead of a inexperienced young driver. Dont forget that RB promote Vettel from TR when the team still was a “midfield team” and not when they start claim titles…
        The only top team that has done so, is McLaren with Hamilton and Perez.
        It is much more vital for RB, especially with the major rule changes next year, to have two very strong drivers in their car and be able to fight for both Championships. @geemac

    • PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 16th July 2013, 14:26

      This is a bit of manoeuvring by Red Bull. From the get go Raikkonen was always and remains the front runner, but they want to strengthen their negotiation position as far as salary and terms of contract with Kimi, hence the Ricciardo hype train. Now I am not saying that Ricciardo couldn’t do a good job for RB, I am sure he can, but RB has to hedge their position until the end of 2015 in case Vettel leaves. Besides, another year at TR wouldn’t do him any harm, the opposite actually, it would allow him mature his race craft a bit with a view to jump in the hot seat if Kimi flops or Vettel leaves in 2015.

      • Robbie (@robbie) said on 16th July 2013, 18:58

        I will always prefer two ‘roosters’ on a team and I don’t care if that makes the team managers’ life more difficult. We the fans deserve to see only the best drivers driving the best cars. It’s what we pay for. Can you imagine the extreme alternative of ALL teams having a designated number 1 and a number 2 there to not compete against the number 1. That would end F1 for me. What goes on is bad enough as it is, with some teams taking the easy way out and making the fans pay for it with lesser racing than we could have.

        It’s easy for a team to fall into the trap of life being made easier when they don’t have to decide on track who their one and two is, but the other side of the coin is that they don’t then have two drivers pushing each other to outdo each other and develope the car. And the fans pay with a lesser show.

        I will always hold more respect for WDC’s who beat strong teammates who are allowed a fair shot to compete against them in an equivalent car. Example…two opposing scenarios…one year Mac won all but one race, but we didn’t know which driver, Senna or Prost, would win on any given weekend. Intense, edge of the seat, all out racing. As opposed to MS/Ferrari…dominant…but no competition between the teammates and therefore no intensity, no excitement…the result between the teammates a foregone conclusion decided in a boardroom. No thanks.

    • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 16th July 2013, 20:39

      I strongly believe whether Red Bull pick a strong young driver with good prospects or the ageing Raikkonen will tell a lot about Red Bull’s long term commitment to the sport. I’m considering long term to be a decade plus.

      If they partner Raikkonen with Vettel next year it will certainly be one of the most attention grabbing, marketable and popular driver pairings in a long while. They excitement and media buzz that will be created by such an event will create a lot of free publicity for both Infiniti and Red Bull (and pepe jeans et al.). However looking down the road to 2016, Kimi will probably be considering retirement, and Seb might fancy driving a red car for a while. By 2017 Red Bull could go from two world champion drivers to (hypothetically) two rookies, or at least two drivers who have never worked for Red Bull. Raikkonen would seem to be all short term gain, with no looking to the future of the team.

      Putting a Ricciardo or Vergne in the seat at least means the team may be looking to life in F1 after Vettel. They will plan their team with driver continuity in mind, and be open to giving a young talent a chance, as they did in 2009 with Vettel. I think this approach is far more likely to bring about stability and long term success for Red Bull.

      • TMF (@tmf42) said on 16th July 2013, 21:33

        You make some good points – though if I were in Horner’s shoes and I had the choice I’d go for Kimi. Neither RIC nor JEV have convinced me to be the next HAM or VET and in the end it comes down to the car. If you have a good one the WDCs will line-up to join the team.
        And it’s better to have 2 proven top drivers for a season where you’re car could be somewhere in the midfield.

  8. BJ (@beejis60) said on 16th July 2013, 10:23

    I thought teams were only allowed to run race drivers on the first day??

  9. Bendanarama (@bendana) said on 16th July 2013, 10:33

    In other, related news, Jean-Erice Vergne was spotted banging his head against a wall nearby.

  10. TMF (@tmf42) said on 16th July 2013, 10:44

    JEV gets to do all the tire testing on his car, which could be a small advantage.
    I’m still on the fence between these 2 and having a different frame of reference (RIC in RB) could help to determine where they are.

  11. Tasimana said on 16th July 2013, 11:47

    Great opportunity for Daniel. We know his hot lap pace is awesome. Will be interesting to assess long run pace in a far superior car with direct comparison to Webber and Vettel.

    • I think Red Bull is testing Ricciardo to see if either driver in Torro Rosso is an option at all. If Ricciardo is found to be considerably slower than Mark Webber I think both Torro Rosso drivers will be removed from the list. If that happens I suspect Red Bull will do their best to get Raikkonen. If that doesn’t work out I think they will go for Hulkenberg. Smart move, get a comparison on the table when all options are still on the table.

  12. Serby said on 16th July 2013, 12:16

    JEV had 16 points last season, while Ricciardo had 10, this season JEV has 13 while Ricciardo 11?
    Can somebody explain why Ricciardo is considered for a red bull seat and not JEV?

  13. Bazza Spock (@bazza-spock) said on 16th July 2013, 12:32

    Just read a good analysis over at Autosport.com of what Danny needs to do if he want to be successful over Kimi. He has to show that he can quickly slot into the red bull and get up to speed quickly.
    I guess the big thing that can’t be measured at the young driver’s test is how he’d cope with the pressure of actually being confirmed at Red Bull.
    The expectation of scoring chunky points at every race would be a big one to deal with.

  14. pSynrg (@psynrg) said on 16th July 2013, 12:40

    Awesome, I so want RIC to get this seat! He fits the Red Bul product profile perfectly. Comes across as a base jumping, gymkhana’ing, skating, BMX’ing, moto x’ing, F1 driving kinda guy.

    The polar opposite of snore god Räikkönen.

    • Lari (@lari) said on 16th July 2013, 14:25

      Polar opposite of maybe many of the top drivers who are not allowed to do anything to risk their health or get injured….except Raikkonen. He can and he is doing those, motocrossing, snowcrossing, seadooing, rallying etc you name it. Can’t see that polar opposite argument there.

      • pSynrg (@psynrg) said on 16th July 2013, 18:28

        Personality – polar opposite. Räikkönen is, shall we say, quite particular. Ricciardo on the other hand comes across as affable, approachable and good natured.

        Räikkönen comes across as a person who doesn’t give a toss about anyone else but himself. I may be wrong as I don’t actually know the guy but that’s the impression I get. And I mean in general, not just from the cockpit (where for my money personality is irrelevant.)

        • Lari (@lari) said on 16th July 2013, 20:55

          Regarding personality, yes, Raikkonen is different from any other driver in the grid. “comes across as affable, approachable and good natured” in my opinion, this suits most of the drivers on the grid, as it’s the, what I like to call, pr-molded personality. This type of personality isn’t implying as those you mentioned in your original post, doing all those sports or seemingly does. Hence I was commenting that, regardless of Raikkonen’s personality, he’s actually doing some of those in oppose to most other drivers on the grid (because they tend to be obliged by contract to avoid any sport that have risk of hurting them).

          • pSynrg (@psynrg) said on 17th July 2013, 13:04

            TBH, I’ve no idea if Ricciardo participates in any of the ‘xtreme’ type sports such as those above that I could think of at the time.
            He just comes across as the kind of youthful, exuberant ‘devil may care’ type of character to which the Red Bull brand aspires (and is very successful in promoting.)
            Räikkönen just comes across (whether true or not) as a grumpy old fart.

            The advertisers/money people that will ultimately call the shots on all this are interested more in the public perception than in what these guys actually really get up to.

            Perception is everything here…

            Personally I think Ricciardo is absolutely a rising star. I also think Räikkönen is a fading star. Just my opinion at this point. I know who I would hire given the task…

  15. WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 16th July 2013, 12:41

    Hiccup in the Raikkonen deal?

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