Alonso dismisses link to 2014 Red Bull seat

2013 Hungarian Grand Prix

Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Hungaroring, 2013Fernando Alonso said he was unaware of moves by his management to get into the vacant seat at Red Bull alongside Sebastian Vettel in 2014.

Alonso, who is under contract with Ferrari until 2016, said “I don’t think so,” when asked if his manager had spoken to Red Bull over a possible move. “Not that I know of,” he added.

“I’m concentrating on the championship. These are rumours that always in August is good time for rumours because we have four weeks with not a Formula One race.”

Christian Horner said Red Bull were “not stuck for choice” on a replacement for Mark Webber next year. “We’re starting to get a clearer picture but then other options suddenly pop up.”

“We’re in a fortunate position where we’re not in a rush, we’ve got a great deal of interest in the seat, and we just want to make sure we get it right.”

Asked if he would like Alonso as a team mate next year Vettel said: “I’d prefer Kimi [Raikkonen]!”

“Nothing against Fernando, I really respect him a lot as a driver but I think I respect Kimi on-track, off-track, because he’s always been very straight with me and from that point of view it might be a bit easier.”

Alonso, who lost his grip on second place in the drivers’ championship today, urged Ferrari to respond to their struggles in recent races:

“July in general the month has been not so good for us in terms of how competitive we’ve been this month, in Nurburgring, Silverstone and Hungary. We need to react immediately and as I said in Nurburgring we need three or four consecutive races that will close any gap with the leaders and we need to do it.”

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190 comments on Alonso dismisses link to 2014 Red Bull seat

  1. candice said on 28th July 2013, 18:50

    I dont think Rbr would like to be blackmailed or lose 100m

    • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 28th July 2013, 19:24

      So now you’re blaming Alonso for McLaren’s blatant cheating?

      • Candice said on 28th July 2013, 19:47

        you don’t betray your team that paid you millions no matter what.

        And its not like alonso had been angel in 2007. he got kimi raikkonen ‘s setup data, race strategy, fuel level from Mike Coughlan via email.

        • q85 said on 28th July 2013, 19:52

          as per mclaren their history speaks for itself. They managed to **** off enough to leave the following:

          Prost, Senna, Montoya, Kimi, Fernando and Lewis.

          Thats alot of great drivers who got fed up with them. 11 world champions

          • Nathan (@il-ferrarista) said on 29th July 2013, 0:41

            +100, also Pat Fry, Newey, Paddy Lowe, Ron tried/asked Schumacher in the mid-90’s, + + + .

            Seriously speaking, can someone please explain me what really IS the problem with McLarens working environment??

          • MazdaChris (@mazdachris) said on 29th July 2013, 16:11

            In fairness, while I do understand (and agree for the most part) the point you are making, I think you’re wrong to include Senna in that list. Senna leaving McLaren wasn’t anything to do with a breakdown of relations with the team; it was because McLaren had failed to produce a decent car, and Senna saw that his only opportunity (as he saw it) to win another championship was to change teams. By all accounts the relationship with McLaren remained amicable throughout, and there was very little bad feeling about it.

            But you’re right – McLaren have struggled to hold on to genuine talent over and over again through the years, while also often squandering the chances they’ve generated for themselves by repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot. It’s a shame to admit that, since I do really like McLaren and what they represent in the sport, but you can’t really argue with their track record. When you look at all the resources and talent they’ve had available to them over the years, you can only conclude that they have massively underachieved.

      • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 28th July 2013, 20:16

        Alonso was a very integral part to this cheating. There were e-mails where Alonso was asking specific questions about Ferrari secrets.

      • lol said on 29th July 2013, 1:45

        Pay attention, he didn’t write that. The fact is that Alonso was all over the Ferrari data and using it in the simulator, then tried to blackmail Dennis when McLaren wouldn’t give him preferential treatment, so Dennis call him on it and advised the FIA. This gave Mosley the chance to act against Dennis who he had issues with, hence the ridiculous fine.

        Then the Horse Whisperer ranted about that new team that never was trying to sign Coughlan and how anyone involved was tainted…then they hired their new messiah in Alonso and nothing further was said about it. Funny that.

    • Jason (@jason12) said on 29th July 2013, 1:55

      What kind of a driver does something like that?

      I’d forgotten about what Alonso does when he’s unhappy.

  2. andae23 (@andae23) said on 28th July 2013, 18:54

    Just for the quick googlers amongst us: Alonso’s manager is named Luis Garcia Abad, who also manages GP3 driver Carlos Sainz Jr. He has been part of the Red Bull Junior Team since 2010 (his GP3 Koiranen car also features the Red Bull livery) and tested for the team during the ‘young’ drivers’ test at Silverstone last week.

    I.e. please don’t read too much into this, people.

    • Jimmy Hearn (@alebelly74) said on 28th July 2013, 19:02

      dont worry, no one will

    • tmax (@tmax) said on 28th July 2013, 19:04

      @andae23 he he LOL…..There is already a lot to read from your post :)

    • Enigma (@enigma) said on 28th July 2013, 19:07

      So basically Alonso’s manager was talking to Red Bull about Sainz, not Alonso.

    • Broom (@brum55) said on 28th July 2013, 19:30

      Maybe but I’m sure Alonso patience is starting to wear thin now. It wouldn’t surprise me if his name was mentioned in this meeting.

    • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 28th July 2013, 19:37

      Alonso is managed by Flavio Briatore since he entered F1, so any decision over his future has to pass by Flavio, i know that Luis Garcia Abad is also his manager (a bit confusing) & i don’t know what is exactly his role

      • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 28th July 2013, 20:17

        Perhaps his role is to go to other teams talking about Alonso under the guise of being the manager of Sainz jr?

      • IDR (@idr) said on 29th July 2013, 9:03

        Flavio Briatore has wrights on the Alonso contract, because he was the person who “discover” him, but he never has acted as Alonso manager, who is Luis GarcĂ­a Abad since many years ago.

        When Flavio realized Alonso potential, he bought TV rights from Bernie for Spanish TV (At that time, spanish market were almost inexistent for Bernie, just TV3 -Cataluña regional TV-), take out of Renault everybody who can disturb Alonso (i.e.: Buttton, Trulli…) and make him 2 times world champion earning a lot of money with contracts with private TV operator Tele 5.

        Bernie happy, Flavio happy, Alonso happy… And all three richer than previously!

    • Sheila (@st91) said on 28th July 2013, 20:18

      Also, Sainz Jr drives for Arden in GP·, Horner’s team

  3. Dave (@raceprouk) said on 28th July 2013, 18:57

    The Silly Season has started…

  4. Jimmy Hearn (@alebelly74) said on 28th July 2013, 18:59

    For Alonso, a ‘Legend’ in his own mind, driving an ‘Energey Drink Car’ would be demeaning. And if somehow it turned out that he couldn’t beat Vettel, well, we’d have another case of the child getting mad, taking his toys and running home to mother.

    • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 28th July 2013, 19:41

      There’s nothing to your post but thinly veiled contempt for Alonso.

    • PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 28th July 2013, 19:47

      Nonsense, if you are a racing driver you want the fastest car, the rest is just noise. @alebelly74

      • Jimmy Hearn (@alebelly74) said on 28th July 2013, 19:56

        @pmccarthy_is_a_legend So, when McLaren had the fastest car and Alonso quit . . .

        • PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 28th July 2013, 21:27

          What’s that got to do with anything? Sorry is it ok if I just ignore you mate? You are not making a lot of sense. Thanks @alebelly74

        • cheesypoof said on 29th July 2013, 14:42

          Jimmy please don’t try and disguise insipid contempt as fact. Only an ignoramus would believe your tripe statements. I’m sure alonso is shaking in his boots reading your words. What a fool you are.

      • sao paulo taxi driver (@sao-paulo-taxi-driver) said on 29th July 2013, 1:05

        I can think of a few drivers over the years who have passed up the chance to race for more competitive teams, in order to drive for Ferrari; heritage is clearly alluring to many drivers, and this is something RBR simply don’t have.

        • jimscreechy (@) said on 29th July 2013, 16:57

          Really? I can’t think of any. I think it is true that drivers ultimately want to drive for the prestigious teams, but only because they tend to have the largest budgets the best designers, or the most knowledgeable engineers… which tend to produce the best vehicles. Perez and a whole host of others wanted to go to McLaren this season but now they are being beaten by force India, I hardly think so many feel hard done by. Yes, drivers will still want to go to McLaren, but only because they still believe they are capable of producing a winning car in the near future. Williams is a prime example of a pedigree team no top driver would (currently) touch with a barge pole, but most probably still believe Williams are capable of recapturing their former glory if they get things together. The name alone is nothing without a car to compete with. Alonso fully expected (and still expects) Ferrari to give him something he can win with, at the very least! – a competitive car. If he believed for one minute that that would not happen from now till his contract ends in 2016 a herd of prancing horses would not keep him there, contract penalties or not.

  5. Atticus (@atticus-2) said on 28th July 2013, 19:03

    …Well he shouldn’t. I mean he should talk with them. OK, based on 2007, a driver of a similarly high calible, such as Hamilton, seems to be his Achilles, but still, I often wonder just how much better he could be in a better car…

  6. tmax (@tmax) said on 28th July 2013, 19:09

    I won’t be surprised if Alonso is interested. He blew the chance in 2009 when he opted for Ferrari. Ferrari has been so far providing him lackluster car fighting for 5 or 6th in Qualy and after a Great start and Defensive drive fighting for 4th and 5th position.

    I am starting to get a feel that Alonso is bound for another Alian Prost experience with Ferrari. Though I would not go too far to say he will be sacked like Prost for criticizing the slow car. Kimi saw the tough times ahead and gladly left the team with a bag full of money…… :)

    • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 28th July 2013, 19:55

      Sad to say but if Ferrari start off on the wrong foot with the new reg’s next year, I think Alonso should just retire and begin enjoying all the money he’s had no time as of yet to use.

      • Nathan (@il-ferrarista) said on 29th July 2013, 0:48

        May actually be possible, sad but true yeah. Or perhaps follow Webber in WEC or something else similar?

  7. Gaz said on 28th July 2013, 19:09

    Slight typo, it says ‘Ferrari’ rather than Red Bull. “Christian Horner said Ferrari were “not stuck for choice” on a replacement for Mark Webber next year. ”

    I would have liked to have seen Mark Webber in a prancing horse!

  8. Deej92 (@deej92) said on 28th July 2013, 19:11

    What a ridiculously unrealistic rumour that is.

  9. Euro Brun (@eurobrun) said on 28th July 2013, 19:19

    “I think I respect Kimi on-track, off-track, because he’s always been very straight with me and from that point of view it might be a bit easier.”

    … except for that incident at turn 4…

    • urpo (@vfftw) said on 28th July 2013, 19:50

      From Vettel’s post-race comments he seems over it already. Apparently all Raikkonen had to do was laugh at him.

    • Jason (@jason12) said on 29th July 2013, 2:02

      What he means is that he’s more afraid of Alonso.

      • MNM101 (@mnm101) said on 29th July 2013, 3:13

        @jason12 He is politely saying Alonso is a manipulative lying politician and that he wouldn’t be caught dead driving next to Alosno, because he knows that unless he plays second fiddle Alonso, the team will be destroyed.

  10. Broom (@brum55) said on 28th July 2013, 19:28

    Alonso to Red-Bull may not happen. But there is no smoke without fire.

    It would be some coup for Red-Bull. To deny the biggest and most powerful team in the sport, who have challenged them the hardest for the last 4 years, of their best asset would be a real signal of intent going forward. They are already the best. But this is the equivalent of Goetze leaving Dortmund for Bayern. Basically they can shaft Ferrari to already make a brilliant team even better. It also underlines Red-Bull status the top team in F1.

    For Alonso it is no-brainer as well. For the last 3 years there have not been able to figure their wind tunnel. Every year, the same mistakes are being made despite the time and massive amounts of money being spent. It is just utter Incompetence. Lotus & Mercedes have out developed them this year. And McLaren was faster last year.

    I doubt that Alonso would move for 2014, afterall Red-Bull may struggle badly with the new rule changes as they don’t play into Newey’s hands quite like the current regulations do. But if there are the same problems than I can see Alonso kicking off big time and demanding a move, with Red-Bull happy to take him on, with or without Vettel.

  11. Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 19:31

    I think that’s a non-rumour all round. It’s Kimi and Dan for the seat.

    • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 28th July 2013, 19:43

      @vettel1
      Why? Scared? ;)

      • Candice said on 28th July 2013, 19:55

        seriously……Fernando is nothing without no.1 status. Believe it or not, he cant thrive with competitive teammate whereas Seb has Mark alongside and beat him thoroughly.

        Scared??? what a joke.

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 28th July 2013, 20:47

          A ” ;) ” means he was joking.

          But Alonso did alright against Lewis (on track only, despite losing the championship), and beat his other teammates.

        • King2 said on 29th July 2013, 0:28

          Webber is a competitive teammate? Now that’s what you call a joke.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 29th July 2013, 0:55

            Mark is not exactly a slouch of a driver.

          • Jason (@jason12) said on 29th July 2013, 2:05

            +1000

            I mean, really….

          • Candice said on 29th July 2013, 4:06

            100 times more competitive than Massa i would say.

            Do i need to remind you how many times had Alonso been outqualified by Massa this year?? while Webber couldn’t even scratch vettel’s gearbox.

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 21:03

        @kingshark no I’d love it but I don’t see it happening ;)

      • clappy (@danielc) said on 29th July 2013, 0:49

        Scared of a man sice 06 who as not got it done in the final race dciders, yet the younger guy does it. The Samurai is not be all and end all of F1. Vet should be the one talking himself up not Alo, afterall Alo proved he could not beat a rookie who was faster, Ham outqualified Alo with more fuel many times.

    • TMF (@tmf42) said on 28th July 2013, 20:33

      Kimi to RBR also started as a non-rumor :) But here I think you’re right – probably just a bit of a bargaining chip to put pressure on Ferrari.

    • Jack (@jackisthestig) said on 28th July 2013, 21:59

      Maybe nothing to do with the Webber seat, perhaps an Alonso/Vettel straight swap.

      • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 29th July 2013, 4:42

        Candice wrote:

        100 times more competitive than Massa i would say.

        Based on what? Nothing but wishful thinking? Massa has done everything in his career Webber has.

        Do i need to remind you how many times had Alonso been outqualified by Massa this year?? while Webber couldn’t even scratch vettel’s gearbox.

        I’m not sure if the gap to teammates is an intelligent subject a Vettel fan would want to bring up when discussing Alonso vs Vettel.

        • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 29th July 2013, 4:43

          @david-a

          Mark is not exactly a slouch of a driver.

          I (yes it was me) never said he was, but there’s absolutely not the slightest good reason to believe that he’s any better than Massa, let alone “100 times” better.

          • Candice said on 29th July 2013, 6:17

            you must be kidding me if you think webber is not better driver than massa.

            Not to mention Massa was ahead of alonso in silverstone and nurburgring prior the tire puncture and stupid mistake of him spunning the car.

            such situation will never happen to Vettel.

        • Candice said on 29th July 2013, 6:19

          why not?? look at the point gaps will magnify the truth of Massa being hopeless and Fernando having a hard time to deal with such hopeless driver so far in qualifying.

  12. PMccarthy_is_a_legend (@pmccarthy_is_a_legend) said on 28th July 2013, 19:42

    I think RBR would give F1 a massive boost next year by daring to have two top drivers on their cars. The sport and the fans would benefit from it and they would cement their place in the history of the sport. Besides this is what Red Bull (the brand) stands for: Daring, competitive, cool. Please no more second rate drivers on the second seat, we want to see great rivalries, that’s how history is made!

  13. Aimal (@aimalkhan) said on 28th July 2013, 19:48

    Alonso doesn’t need to go to red bull. Ferrari just needs to make an offer to Adrian newey that he can’t refuse.

    • Hamilfan (@hamilfan) said on 28th July 2013, 20:19

      You talk like the godfather .What offer ? a gun on his head ? Newey has the big bucks and the fame already . But yeah they can entice him to work for the scuderia .BTW how old is newey ? Red Bull need him for new regs in 2014 . So , not happening IMO .

    • BJ (@beejis60) said on 28th July 2013, 22:43

      With James Allison coming, they likely don’t need Newey.

      • clappy (@danielc) said on 29th July 2013, 0:52

        Yeh because Allison is so what they need, Check Lotus Bad qualifiying car, Check Ferrari bad qualifying car is Allison this great upgrade lol.

  14. Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 28th July 2013, 19:53

    He barely denied it. “I don’t think so” is F1 speak for “Of course he did, but nothing came of it (yet)”.

    Also, did you see his face when he said it? Lol, that big smile when he “denied” it. Then right after there were interviews with Horner and Vettel with the suggestion that “suddenly” there is a third option.

    Of course it could be a rehearsed trick from the Red Bull guys to drive Alonso crazy, but it makes much more sense that Alonso does want to go to Red Bull.

    • Jon Sandor (@jonsan) said on 28th July 2013, 20:10

      Even in the unlikely event that Alonso wanted to go to Red Bull, I can’t Imagine Red Bull wanting to take hm. He’s near the complete opposite of what RB want, both in terms of personality (where has has a LOT of baggage) and in driving style. The foundation of the winning RB formula has been built on excellent qualifying results. Alonso has undoubted strengths as a driver, but exceptional qualifying pace is not one of them.

      • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 28th July 2013, 20:30

        I think Alonso would love to be in that RB. He sounded so depressed about his Ferrari in that interview.

        Indeed I’m also not sure what RB would have to gain by hiring Alonso. He’s a better racer than Vettel, but they don’t need that. Their car is fast enough. Still, the same holds for Kimi.

        Alonso actually is a great qualifier though. As he demonstrated in his Renault years. It’s just that nowadays qualifying is a compromise.

        People seem to not understand this, but cars can be setup for the race or qualifying. Setup the car to go fast on a light fuel and they will lose out during the race. Or set up the car for the race and lose some places in qualifying.

        The points are awarded at the end of the race. Not at the end of qualifying. DRS and the tyre tombola makes it easy to overtake. So it makes sense that some drivers will opt more for a race setup.

        Just look at today’s race. Drivers like Kimi and Alonso clearly set up their car for the race instead of trying to gain a few positions in qualifying. They have been doing so for quite a while. It works great for them. They gain more places during the race than they could in qualifying. Or at least that would be the purpose of that strategy.

        • Jon Sandor (@jonsan) said on 28th July 2013, 20:47

          I think Alonso would love to be in that RB

          Given Alonso’s history, I doubt that very much. Being in the RB means being in the RB team, which means no more being given undisputed No. One status. Twice in his career he’s found himself being beaten by a teammate – by Hamilton and by Trulli. And he responded both times in an exceptionally ugly fashion. Do RB really want a driver who would try to blackmail them into slowing Seb down?

          • q85 said on 28th July 2013, 23:58

            ugly with Jarno?

            They are great mates by the way, and were when he left the team.

            I think the issues were with flav after jarno lost 3rd at france.

          • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 29th July 2013, 0:08

            It’s pretty much the only car that can win championships. Of course he wants to be in that car. Just like Senna wanted to bail McLaren and go to his arch rival Williams and didn’t care if Prost was there or not in 1992.

            Alonso beaten by Trulli really? At which point was Trulli ever ahead of Alonso? Even when Alonso entered the team as a rookie in 2003 he immediately was in front of Trulli.

            If Anything Trulli couldn’t handle being humiliated by Alonso. The shock of being beaten so comprehensively by a rookie can unsettle a guy. The same happened to Alonso with Hamilton (prior to the season Alonso was complaining that a rookie Hamilton was no use and De la Rosa should have been in the team). In both cases the disgruntled veteran was thrown out of the team.

          • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 4th August 2013, 5:22

            @patrickl
            Trulli may have been outclassed by Alonso in 2003 but clearly you have not seen the 2004 season… Trulli was the one who won Renault’s only race in 2004 and he was ahead of Alonso in the standings up to the point where he got sacked by Renault. Had the relationship between him and Flavio not soured he would probably not have driven as poorly in the second half of 2004 and it’s not a stretch to say that he would have been able to finish ahead of Alonso in the standings.

          • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 9th August 2013, 1:25

            @David Margono

            Well that was mostly because Alonso got pushed off by a backmarker in Monaco while running in second behind Trulli’s win.

            I’ll just rephrase your claim:
            Had Trulli not driven so poorly in the second half of 2004, probably the relationship between him and Flavio would not have soured.

          • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 10th August 2013, 7:28

            @patrickl

            Well Alonso should have been more careful while lapping Ralf Schumacher, I don’t see Trulli crashing out. Yes, Trulli made a mistake in the French Grand Prix that year and costed Renault a double-podium finish in their home race and ever since then his relationship with Flavio went downhill, but prior to that he was the one beating Alonso and thus it’s not right to say that Alonso demolished him, it may have been the case in 2003 but in 2004 (For the first half anyway) it was the complete opposite. Just to let you know, Trulli was ahead of Alonso in the standings up to the point where he was sacked by Renault despite not scoring points for 4 races in a row (46 points to Alonso’s 45), that should pretty much explain the margin of superiority Trulli had and that should pretty much answer your question: “Alonso beaten by Trulli really? At which point was Trulli ever ahead of Alonso?”

            A driver doesn’t just go from such crushing form to not scoring any points for 4 races in a row so it’s safe to assume that he was only performing that poorly because it’s pretty clear Flavio favoured Alonso and didn’t want to retain Trulli after that blunder in the French Grand Prix. I mean come on, yes it’s a mistake but not a severe one, Trulli was doing so well up to that point and now you wanna fire him just because of one mistake? I bet that Flavio felt that his golden boy (Alonso) was getting shown up and wanted to find a way to get rid of Trulli so that he won’t be threatened >_> Alonso himself feels that way; you should already know what happened with him and McLaren in 2007.

          • David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 10th August 2013, 12:06

            @patrickl

            To add on to what I’ve just mentioned, Fisichella and especially Piquet fared much worse against Alonso than Trulli but I don’t see them getting the boot for it. Why? Because Flavio knew they were not a threat to Alonso unlike Trulli, who only had a barren streak that led to his early dismissal because he knew he won’t be retained by Renault for the 2005 season. A shame really, if he had waited one more year to up his game he would have very well been the WDC after seeing how dominant Renault was in 2005. So yes, Trulli was a match for Alonso in his prime but never got to maximize his potential due to the politics.

  15. Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th July 2013, 19:54

    Textbook PR tactics from Alonso. He was invited to deny something and responded as negatively as he could but stopped short of giving a straight denial (“I don’t think so… not that I know of”).

    But of course just because his manager had a chat with Christian Horner doesn’t mean he’s actually going to Red Bull. If nothing else, cutting a deal with Ferrari short by three years would surely come with a pretty swingeing financial penalty.

    • Hamilfan (@hamilfan) said on 28th July 2013, 20:21

      OMG Keith has commented directly on a post . That’s rare :D .

    • andae23 (@andae23) said on 28th July 2013, 22:46

      @keithcollantine If you look at the footage from which you’ve made a transcript, you can see Lee McKenzie basically put those words in Alonso’s mouth. So I’m not sure if this is politics or just trying to look relaxed and cool.

    • Gordon (@) said on 28th July 2013, 23:52

      We know Alonso makes comments like these just to create a sort of frenzy (for the lack of a better term). But I must admit, the thought of Alonso and Vettel in the same time is a great thought, for us fans anyway…

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th July 2013, 23:58

        @gfreeman It’s not as if he instigated this, he was asked a direct question.

        • Gordon (@) said on 29th July 2013, 0:07

          I know he didn’t instigate it, but I’m just saying that his reply doesn’t exactly surprise me because it’s the sort of indirect reply I’d expect from him.

          • cheesypoof said on 29th July 2013, 14:48

            Oh my gosh well now that you let him know about it I’m sure Fernando will tell you everything directly and without so much as a pause… thats his job right? Its not driving… its being direct for people like you.

  16. q85 said on 28th July 2013, 20:00

    Remember RBR are in this as a business and marketing tool.

    Currently they are winning but they have a driver that isnt too popular, its no good for their ‘fun’ brand to have a driver that is booed and disliked. There are 2 options round this 1. Get Kimi who is mostly loved, only down side is he is useless at PR 2. Great a super team with seb and fernando, let the sparks fly and tell the world your brand gave F1 what it wants ‘the 2 best in the same car’

    Either is better than having the most disliked driver advertising your brand. Win or not its not great for them.

    • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 28th July 2013, 20:20

      Does Kimi mix his Vodka with Red Bull? If so, he wouldn’t have to do much marketing. Just do what he normally does.

    • Jon Sandor (@jonsan) said on 28th July 2013, 20:24

      “Most disliked” by who, exactly? The total F1 audience is in the tens of millions. The members of the British F1 press corp and the people who leave comments on sites like this one probably number, what …. a couple of thousand people all together?

      After Richard Nixon won a landslide election victory in the US, a film critic remarked in surprise “I only know one person who voted for Nixon”. It’s a mistake to confuse the people in our own little bubble for the public at large.

      • Broom (@brum55) said on 28th July 2013, 20:38

        Vettel gets booed at literally every Grand Prix. It is understandable at the Australian, Spanish & British Grand Prix as his biggest rivals over the years have been of those nationalities. But when neutral venues like Canada and Hungary start booing him, well that suggests he is ‘disliked’.

        In comparison Hamilton, Alonso and Kimi are cheered everywhere.

    • I know worshipping Raikkonen is flavour of the month, but there’s got to be tons of people out there who don’t like his style, surely?

      • Glenn (@glennb) said on 29th July 2013, 8:49

        I dont like his style. Decent driver but pretty much a jerk. I imagine hewould cross the road to avoid saying hi to a fan.

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 29th July 2013, 14:09

        @gwan I don’t really like him either: he’s pretty boring outside of the car and a hot-head inside of it. He’s not a very connectable person either, unlike Sebastian, Daniel or Jenson in particular (they’re always very happy and willing to talk to the media it appears which I admire).

        • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 29th July 2013, 15:42

          @vettel1
          +1
          He’s an incredible driver with possibly the best feel for the car on the grid.
          But he doesn’t really strike me as hugely nice guy.

          I’m sure he is nice, but he looks like he gets annoyed when he sees the media.

          Mind you, I suppose I too would get sick of doing constant media appearances for years on end.

    • Yoshisune (@yobo01) said on 28th July 2013, 20:31

      Alonso is not the most loved driver either. There are some really bad moments in his F1 carreer. Personally, I can’t forget his win in Singapore 2008, the team order in Hockenheim in 2010, and, of course, his 2007 season, which was quite controversial, to put it mildly.

      I don’t think Red Bull will risk being called cheaters more than they are now. Alonso is not the driver they want, if their target is to be more popular. Kimi is a much better choice.

      • Deej92 (@deej92) said on 28th July 2013, 21:08

        He has also been partial to the odd brake test.

      • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 28th July 2013, 22:00

        You’ve picked three examples of a *team* cheating, not the driver. Maybe you’d like to find an example where the *driver* cheated?

        • Candice said on 29th July 2013, 3:55

          i doubt you can find a driver being so consistenly invovled in scandal issues in different teams

          Innocent?? i bet my life on it he isn;t.

    • Manule said on 28th July 2013, 20:39

      ‘Most disliked’, now that is rich. Have you ever heard of a wee little country called Germany? It is somewhere in Europe. Vettel is revered there and is only second to Schumacher. Perhaps, you also heard of a little country called Spain? You know who was booed there the most? One British driver who for a year drove for the same team as one Spanish driver. So it is all relative.

  17. Am I the only one who saw Vettel’s naughty grin when talking Raikkonen up and thought, “that’s because he knows Riccardo’s got it in the bag?” Could be completely wrong, but just looked like he was stirring.

    • Patrickl (@patrickl) said on 29th July 2013, 0:15

      Aren’t Vettel and Raikkonen friends? Maybe he just really would like for Raikkonen to come over.

      • Hamilfan (@hamilfan) said on 29th July 2013, 3:20

        No, you would not want a friend as a team mate in a competitive car . That’s the last thing you’d want . It ruins your friendship .

        • Candice said on 29th July 2013, 3:56

          It ruins your friendship .

          it only applies to lewis and fernando.

          Kimi wouldn’t give much effort in creating rivalry. he raced and go home…thats it.

          • I agree – Kimi wouldn’t care about any of the BS that takes place off the track.

            Besides; Seb already said he would prefer Kimi over Nando if that was the choice.

            It would be interesting to see if their mutual respect would last a full season but the racing would certainly be hard.

        • Kimi4WDC said on 29th July 2013, 5:23

          As both of them stated many times, they are not friends off track, but obviously have a certain degree of mutual respect for each other.

    • MNM101 (@mnm101) said on 29th July 2013, 7:33

      Neither of them are drama queens, which eliminates the chance of friction and all that BS, there will be competition but you won’t hear any of Mark Webber’s subtle under the belt media jabs

      • alexx_88 (@alexx_88) said on 29th July 2013, 9:10

        Are you serious about that? Kimi sure isn’t because he doesn’t put effort in creating rivalries, as a previous poster said, but think about all the times when things didn’t go according to Vettel’s plans and how he reacted. Yes, he is all smiling around when things go well for him, but what he does when they don’t… that’s another story.

        • MNM101 (@mnm101) said on 29th July 2013, 9:46

          @alexx_88 When did Seb ever talk ** about Mark or make all these under-handed remarks Mark is always making, the way he talks to the media and doesn’t acknowledge Seb (calls him the other car), at Silverstone he referred to him as Michael when talking to Alonso in the pre-podium room, etc.. meanwhile i never heard Seb doing anything of the sort, always says that he respects Mark and doesn’t bad mouth him.

          but think about all the times when things didn’t go according to Vettel’s plans and how he reacted

          I’d be happy if you can give me an example because i can’t recall anything at the moment.

          • puneeth Bharath (@puneethvb) said on 29th July 2013, 18:10

            Just type Vettel radio compilation in youtube .. you will find plenty

          • alexx_88 (@alexx_88) said on 29th July 2013, 22:35

            For me it’s obvious that those comments are the way Mark chose to vent his frustration. Some of it from the team’s preference of Vettel, some from Vettel’s own attitude during racing and a part from its own inability to pose a serious challenge to his teammate.

            However, just remember the comments Vettel made from the cockpit, in Malaysia. If you didn’t hear the tone of “Get him out of my way, he is too slow.” then I can’t add anything else. Also, remember last year Malaysia, he was pretty rough on Karthikeyan, even though the crash was Vettel’s fault. You can see that these moments start to appear whenever he is not in a dominant position, as it has been over the last few years.

            Personally, I can imagine Vettel not being quite the smiley face if he gets a new teammate next year and starts to lose out to him. In the end is hard to draw a line where legitimate complaining stops and whining starts.

  18. Tayyib (@m0nzaman) said on 28th July 2013, 20:24

    I will never blame Alonso if he wants to leave and did leave. Ferrari have let him down over and over again. Even if its just rumours it says to Ferrari “sort this sorry mess out”. However it be class to see Vettel and Alonso in the same team. My money would be on Alonso.

    • spoutnik (@spoutnik) said on 28th July 2013, 20:30

      I would be interrested too :)
      I would bet on Fernando but Seb knows his car very well and it would be though times for him

      • Tayyib (@m0nzaman) said on 28th July 2013, 20:40

        Yeah I agree with you Seb knows that team inside out, but Alonso isn’t afraid of squabbles and politics. IF he did leave where would it leave Ferrari?

        • Broom (@brum55) said on 28th July 2013, 20:53

          It might be a blessing for Ferrari. I think Alonso’s ability to drive round the deficiencies of a car has kept Ferrari looking better than they actually are. If they partnered Massa with someone who needs a car to set-up a certain way, like a Button for example, than heads may be chopped and Ferrari may just recruit the personnel required to make the most of the fortunes spent on their F1 car.

      • Tayyib (@m0nzaman) said on 28th July 2013, 20:46

        I agree with you that Seb knows his car and team inside out. However Alonso doesn’t mind squabbling and arguing. Are Red Bull daring enough to do it? IF Alonso left Ferrari where does it leave Ferrari?

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 29th July 2013, 14:14

      At least in the first year I think Seb would take it because he’d have the immediate advantage of knowing the team. After that it really just depends on the competitiveness of the team and drivers: if the car is up front Vettel will win I would think because he qualifies much better and needn’t worry about racing too much but if it turned out to be midfield I think Alonso would have a slight advantage in that he is still a better racer. Vettel is still young and improving though it is worth bearing in mind whereas Alonso will have plateaued.

  19. Girts (@girts) said on 28th July 2013, 20:28

    I think that Alonso might really want to leave Ferrari. He might tell the world as often as he wants what an awesome team it is and how much a title with Ferrari would mean to him. If he reckons that Ferrari’s chances to win titles during the upcoming years are slim, he certainly wants to move on to win the DWC with RBR, Mercedes, Marussia, Lego or whichever squad has the quickest car. The question is: Can Red Bull resist the temptation to take the chance to humiliate Ferrari and get one of the best driver line-ups that F1 has ever seen, knowing all the dangers that it would bring?

  20. Force Maikel (@force-maikel) said on 28th July 2013, 20:34

    Not going to happen, Vettel is fine with Kimi because he thinks he can beat him but he’s not going to team up with his main rival of the last 3 years.

    • Candice said on 29th July 2013, 3:58

      yea, i bet he can really beat kimi easily ROFL

      just like how he stucked behind Kimi with fresh tire

    • @force-maikel Obviously Seb thinks he can beat either of them. Just like both of them think they can beat each other and Seb. And all it is, is just what they have to believe to be where they are.

      In reality I think they would be fairly well matched because each of their styles have pros and cons. However, I don’t either Kimi or Fernando walking right into Red Bull and start beating Seb. Do you honestly think he could walk right into Lotus and beat Kimi?

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