Rate the race: 2013 Hungarian Grand Prix

2013 Hungarian Grand Prix

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  1. Traverse (@) said on 28th July 2013, 14:48

    7.5/10 My favourite driver wins…yay! I predicted that Ham would win but I didn’t think it would be by such a margin, I’m pleasently surprised. Hopefully Merc can finally take this form forward. *Fingers crossed*

    Kudos to Raikkonen…I guess…

    • Traverse (@) said on 28th July 2013, 14:49

      *Pleasantly

    • Lari (@lari) said on 28th July 2013, 15:14

      “Kudos to Raikkonen…I guess…” That had to be painful for you to say ;)

    • Iestyn Davies (@fastiesty) said on 28th July 2013, 15:20

      Bah, Grosjean was robbed of P2 by another penalty for racing ‘too hard’. They should remove all the astroturf tbh (but won’t for safety). Grosjean closing on an ailing Hamilton in the dying laps would have been great to see. Hulkenberg was close with Maldonado for P10 before a frustration-borne pit lane speed penalty. Similar to GP2/3, malicious racing moves don’t get punished while something subjective over track limits and white line/kerbs does. If they want track limits respected, make them respectable! That would also make passing a lot easier with longer braking zones, as all the racing lines are now being shallowed out (e.g. T11 exit).

      Vettel – RB should have undercut their way to a 3 stop, by 1 lap each time but messed up the strategy and got held up. Even in these circumstances Lotus can’t capitalise (KR in Q, held up in race) and get the same treatment, so at this point Hamilton ironically is best placed to challenge Vettel, if not Raikkonen.

      Ferrari’s pace is disappointing, perhaps they have been hampered by the tyre change (a la Force India, who should have blocked it from happening IMO, and will lose to McLaren now that they didn’t. With their McLaren technology deal running out for 2014, I wonder how fast their new car will be).

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 28th July 2013, 15:32

      Merc did survive Hungary’s “African summer” so we should expect them to fare at least as good in the races to come. Maybe Nico’s luck changes and both Mercedes are able to eat Vettel’s advantage. To make it even better we will need a consistent Grosjean and improvements on that Ferrari.

      Looking forward to Spa (And I got tickets!)

    • @Traverse Funny, my vote exactly, though your driver was ahead of mine. I think it was great to see Lewis (perfect race) and Kimi (great defending) both taking points off Sebastian.

  2. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 28th July 2013, 14:48

    8 ! Loved it !

    Sad Hami had a reasonably easy time at the front. But still, great race !

  3. Roald (@roald) said on 28th July 2013, 14:49

    Expect Hamilton to call Mercedes’ pace “schocking” in the round-up later today.

  4. James Eden (@jameseden) said on 28th July 2013, 14:49

    Fantastic battle for the lead, stunning drives from Hamilton, Vettel and Raikkonen. Had me on the edge of my seat for nearly the whole race, gave a 9/10. Shame about Grosjean, shows flashes of brilliance but ruins it nearly as quickly.

    • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 28th July 2013, 14:52

      same old same old from grojean, he’s just a magnet of car collisions… he wouldn’t have been fighting for second place today!!!!

      • Quite true though I don’t think the drive through was fair. Had he tried to stay ten cm further to the left he would have been pushed off the line by Massa anyway.

        However, it seems Brundle and Coulthard were onto something about his spacial awareness in general.

        • Jueta (@eljueta) said on 28th July 2013, 18:37

          The drive-through ruined the race. Best overtaking maneuver in the race and they rule it illegal. Stewards at the moment are ridiculous. I think both rulings against him were bad today, and I normally don’t like the guy. Just annoys me that the race is controlled by stupid steward decisions. Apart from that great race.

          • drmouse (@drmouse) said on 29th July 2013, 16:17

            “The drive-through ruined the race. Best overtaking maneuver in the race and they rule it illegal.”

            I haven’t seen it, but according to the stewards, he completed the pass with all 4 wheels over the line. If that is the case, the stewards ruled it illegal because it was illegal.

            I do feel a bit sorry for him, though. A couple of mistakes cost him dearly in a race where he otherwise performed really well.

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 14:54

      @jameseden I think the one thing it was lacking actually was a battle for the lead but great elsewhere!

    • Traverse (@) said on 28th July 2013, 14:55

      I’ve come to realise that Grosjean is beyond help regarding his inability to judge space and take evasive action accordingly. He’ll never learn because this is his style of racing, he’s just haphazard. It’s a shame because he has the pace to win races.

      • I agree. If Romain had a car like the Red Bull or the Mercedes which is good in qualifying, and he could stick it on pole and control the race from the front I think he could be as good as anybody on the grid.

        • q85 said on 28th July 2013, 15:11

          vettel also made a mess of most of his overtake attempts.

          As for Romain, his move on JB was silly. But he should never of got a pen for his move on massa. If they dont want drivers straying off the track by a fraction they must get ride of huge run offs. Also drivers were doing it every lap, esp vettel and kimi on their own. They dont get a pen as they are not wheel to wheel with someone but what difference should it make, they have gained time by doing and therefore got to the end of the race quicker than someone else. They need to be clear on the rules. Drivers leave the track on exit of chicane at canada every lap and no one cares. It should make no difference if you do it when overtaking or not. Rules should be Rules, currently they are selective

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 28th July 2013, 18:47

            vettel also made a mess of most of his overtake attempts.

            The only one really, was the small incident with Raikkonen. Grosjean hit Biutton, skipping the chicane, plus went off after passing Massa.

        • JCost (@jcost) said on 28th July 2013, 15:37

          @debaser91 like I said yesterday, if Grosjean got his act together, he should be the one REd Bull should hire to partner with Seb next year. That kid post incredible fast laps both on Saturday and Sunday he just needs someone to help him iron his “imperfections”…

          • Hairs (@hairs) said on 28th July 2013, 23:25

            @jcost

            His supporters have been saying that for 5 years now in F1 and a couple of years before that in lower formulas.

            a) When is it going to happen?
            b) Why hasn’t it happened already?
            c) How much time does he need?

      • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th July 2013, 15:15

        I disagree. I don’t think he’s haphazard. I think he was doing great job today and he was unfairly penalized for his excellent overtaking move on Massa. I’m not even sure he went off the track with all four wheels, because despite numerous replays we didn’t get a clear shot. Also, it looked like he was already ahead of the red car when he did it.

        • I was agreeing about the part about Romain’s pace being good enough to win races. I think he was very unfortunate to get penalised for the overtake on Massa, that would have been a candidate for pass of the year. But don’t forget he also did make some unnecessary contact with Button earlier on at the chicane, he just seems to attract trouble although I thought his driving at the start was pretty stellar, particularly with Vettel’s rather aggressive chop across his front probably unsettling him a bit.

        • MarcusAurelius (@marcusaurelius) said on 28th July 2013, 16:40

          The penalty was for the move on Button where he bypassed the chicane. A good move given the circumstances but illegal under current rules.

          • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th July 2013, 17:27

            The penalty was for the move on Button where he bypassed the chicane.

            Sure, he was to blame for his contact with Button, but it wasn’t the penalty that destroyed his race. He was given a drive-through penalty for his awesome move on Massa and this one effectively ruined the whole event for him.

        • Hairs (@hairs) said on 28th July 2013, 23:26

          @maroonjack His car was travelling in a straight line with all the visible wheels more than half a kerb outside the track limits. Don’t know how much more obvious it has to be…

          • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 29th July 2013, 6:26

            @hairs Grosjean initially left the track with two wheels and when he was already ahead of Felipe he was forced to move further to avoid contact. It’s not just my opinion, many F1 experts and drivers shares this view, even Massa says that the penalty was wrong.

          • Hairs (@hairs) said on 29th July 2013, 10:49

            @maroonjack partially ahead. he had to go partially off track to start the move, and fully off track to finish it.

            Replays are very clear. You need eyesight to be an expert here,nothing else.

            If there was armco not runoff his race was over.

    • DC (@dujedcv) said on 29th July 2013, 18:00

      You must have been drunk if you were on the edge of the seat. It was more like an average football match with 70% dullness and occasional flashes of action.
      If you think that strategic battles are exciting then you might as well watch chess or snooker.

  5. AlokIn (@) said on 28th July 2013, 14:49

    Lewis came, I saw, I conquered. The most deserving man own.

  6. ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 28th July 2013, 14:49

    Raikonnen>vettel, end of story, great race from hamilton, simply this guy is unlucky not to win another 2 races this season if not of the mercedes using the tyres to a maximum extent…

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 17:15

      @ramysennaf1 of course he is, based on one isolated race on a track which is recognised for being very difficult to overtake on. Ridiculous you could draw a conclusion based on that as evidence.

      • HoHum (@hohum) said on 29th July 2013, 0:34

        @vettel1, hyperbole aside, how many attempted passes did Lewis defend, after order was established on 1st. lap I don’t recall any serious moves on Lewis, I did however see him put a couple of good passes on Mark and Jensen.

        • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 29th July 2013, 13:51

          @hohum I think he was quite fortunate that on both occasions he encountered Mark he was involved in his own battles with other drivers (firstly Alonso for position and secondly Hülkenberg as lapped traffic). That prevented him from taking a good defensive line in the first instance in turn 2 and from getting a decent exit from turn 3 in the second instance. On Button the superior top speed of the Mercedes showed through. Nonetheless I’m not trying to discredit Lewis: opportunities came his way and he seized them the moment they appeared.

    • Mike Dee (@mike-dee) said on 28th July 2013, 21:05

      So in Germany Vettel>Raikkonen?

  7. sasho (@ferrist) said on 28th July 2013, 14:50

    I really like Hungary, I use to live there and really enjoyed my stay there. But this is the worst place for F1 in the world.

  8. Sankalp Sharma (@sankalp88) said on 28th July 2013, 14:50

    A solid 7. Excellent strategy battle. Hamilton got all the passing done when it mattered. Red Bulls obviously paid the price for low straight-line speed. VET’s stint behind Button decided the race.

    • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 28th July 2013, 14:54

      he wouldn’t have passed hamilton whatsoever, he couldn’t pass raikkonen on close to dead tyres.

    • Roald (@roald) said on 28th July 2013, 14:55

      @sankalp88 Are you seriously blaiming lack of straight-line speed on the Hungaroring?

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 15:03

        @roald absolutely he’s correct in saying that. We saw how easily Hamilton got the move done down the main straight on Button, whereas Vettel couldn’t get close enough and so consequently was stuck behind him for 12 laps.

      • Sankalp Sharma (@sankalp88) said on 28th July 2013, 15:08

        @roald

        What I meant was relative straight-line speed. Compare the Mercs and Ferrari with RB and Lotus. Grojean was stuck behind Alonso in the final stint, for simply that reason. A RB unable to clear a massively slow Button. Just watch HAM clearing BUT, he just cruised past. Although HAM’s move on WEB was spectacular to say the least.

        • Roald (@roald) said on 28th July 2013, 15:15

          @sankalp88 Hamilton showed us with his move on Webber you don’t necessarily need a straight to overtake. Twice.

          • Sankalp Sharma (@sankalp88) said on 28th July 2013, 15:21

            @roald

            You also have to realize the circumstances of that move. Both times he made that move WEB was stuck in someone’s slip stream. Nonethless HAM showed excellent spatial awareness on both moves. Also consider WEB: like I mentioned, RB’s simply too slow on the straights. WEB can be very aggressive when overtaking (one of his few redeeming qualities!) was stuck behind ALO in the middle stint. I’m certain ALO would have kept WEB behind for a few more laps had he not bailed on those mediums.

          • AlexFerrari said on 28th July 2013, 16:10

            When you’re not fighting for the championship, you can take more risks. Splendid race by Hamilton.
            And Vettel definitely has learnt how to win championships.

          • Sri Harsha (@harsha) said on 28th July 2013, 18:53

            @AlexFerrari
            Spot on.

    • Lari (@lari) said on 28th July 2013, 15:18

      Exactly what @sankalp88 said, straightline speed actually decided this for Lewis (getting past Button due to that extra speed) whilst Vettel, Grosjean and Raikkonen (at the early stages of race were stuck behind Massa for 15 or so laps). In a track where it’s difficult to overtake and the only place(s) require topspeed, it’s obvious it plays vital part in it.

    • PJ (@pjtierney) said on 28th July 2013, 15:20

      7 seems fair to me.

      There were a few battles and attempts to overtake outside of DRS zones (Turns 4 and 6), and the overlap of pit strategies helped keep things interesting to the end.

      It was a “good” race in terms of entertainment, but not a great one.

    • Sankalp Sharma (@sankalp88) said on 28th July 2013, 15:28

      Meanwhile shambolic performance from the reds :( — Alonso’s challenge is in tatters.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 29th July 2013, 0:38

      @sankalp88, “Excellent strategy battle” Agreed, only I prefer racing to strategy.

  9. bezza695 (@bezza695) said on 28th July 2013, 14:51

    such a good race DRS was perfect this race, Lewis and Grosjean made some great moves okay Grosjean was slightly sloppy but still was going for it, also what an end between Kimi and Seb, great race
    9

    • cg22me (@cg22me) said on 28th July 2013, 16:42

      @bezza695
      Agreed in regards to the DRS… It’s purpose was to nullify the effects of the dirty air around the corners, NOT as an overtaking device, in itself.

  10. Mitch (@mwyndo7) said on 28th July 2013, 14:51

    8/10, brilliant battles for the lead throughout the race, great variations in strategies, a fantastic drive from Hamilton and Webber 10th to 4th. A great way to finish this half of the season!

  11. Victor. (@victor) said on 28th July 2013, 14:52

    9.

    The racing was spectacular – no stupid highway DRS passes. DRS did what it was meant to do and that is to give drivers a hunch into T1. People actually fought for position and could keep faster people behind. The tyres weren’t over the top and were important, but didn’t dictate the racing.

    Would have been a ten if the battle at the end were for the lead and Grosjean received the penalty for the right thing…

  12. Girts (@girts) said on 28th July 2013, 14:52

    9/10. A very good race without too many silly DRS passes butwith lots of proper racing, different strategies and an unpredicted outcome.

  13. Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 14:53

    Solid 8: some nice proper racing for once (no easy DRS passes), the tyres weren’t dominant and a nice battle for the minor podium places. However, the win seemed rather unchallenged from the first round of pit stops after Vettel was stuck behind Button.

    On that note, Red Bull must recognise they are really hurting from not having the top speed to be able to make passes easily. If they can’t be sure they’ll grab the lead early on a change of philosophy is needed to an extent I think.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 28th July 2013, 15:19

      On that note, Red Bull must recognise they are really hurting from not having the top speed to be able to make passes easily. If they can’t be sure they’ll grab the lead early on a change of philosophy is needed to an extent I think.

      That, and overheating parts of the electronics in hot weather are really their weakspots, aren’t they @vettel1.

      I agree with you on the 8 and it was very refreshing to see DRS only help stay close instead of having drive by-passes.

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 16:10

        @bascb absolutely: of course Vettel had to hold back and then re-mount a charge on Räikkönen and perhaps maybe lost out for the same reason with Hamilton. It’s probably exemplified by the track characterises though: overtaking shouldn’t be such a big problem in Spa as they can just use the bus stop as per last year for example.

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 16:53

      I forgot to add my highlight of the race: Pastor Maldonado scoring William’s first point of the season. That was a nice solid weekend for Maldonado and I hope he continues on that trajectory, as I really think the guy is a seriously talented driver when he’s not crashing!

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 29th July 2013, 0:51

      @vettel1, I found it interesting rather than exciting but can you imagine what a great race it would have been without the pit-stops and different tyre strategies, 70 laps of HAM,VET,GRO and RAI, all on the same strategy all similar in speed, could have been epic.

      • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 29th July 2013, 13:54

        @hohum the Hungaroring doesn’t really provide many opportunities for passes though: I think it’d just be a case of everybody in a Trulli-train-type situation which I personally don’t think is very entertaining to watch! That’s partially due to aerodynamics though which I know you’re not a big fan of.

  14. PhilEReid (@philereid) said on 28th July 2013, 14:53

    8/10 Best race so far I think. It was a great. I was on the edge the entire time. If I were voting based on my driver, I’d give it a 9/10 because Ham is my man and I definitely enjoyed it more because of that, but I want to try to take out the subjective opinion. Fantastic!

    • Hamilfan (@hamilfan) said on 28th July 2013, 15:58

      well said there mate . I did the same . Was torn between 7 or 8 . Would have been great if Alonso could have also come to the party :(

  15. Kneyfield (@kneyfield) said on 28th July 2013, 14:54

    6/10, definitely better than average. I liked Lewis from pole and Räikkönen with his successful two-stopper, but it could’ve been better.

    My vote isn’t higher for two reasons:

    1.) There were a few overtakes, but they were mostly from drivers straight out of the pits on others with old tyres.
    2.) The DRS was absolutely useless in most situations like straight-up fights for position. Not even with a car faster by 1+ sec did it play any role (as seen at the end between Vettel and Räikkönen).

    • Dizzy said on 28th July 2013, 14:55

      The DRS was absolutely useless in most situations

      Great, Just how it should be!

      • foleyger (@foleyger) said on 28th July 2013, 15:10

        +1 Dizzy

      • Kneyfield (@kneyfield) said on 28th July 2013, 15:16

        Yes, it is okay on most tracks and I have complained about it in some cases as well, when it has made overtaking too easy.

        But this is the Hungaroring, where regular overtaking was not possible. We’ve only seen it under very specific conditions like in the first 1-2 laps.

        I haven’t seen a single overtake, where both drivers were on similar strategies. Even if the car behind was more than a second faster, it didn’t happen. I’m sorry to say, but that is usually rather boring and it wasn’t even on a street track like Monaco, where it could be excused.

        • Metallion (@metallion) said on 28th July 2013, 16:12

          The fight between Vettel and Räikkönen definitely wasn’t boring. On a different track with DRS, Vettel would have breezed by and the fight would have been over before it started. This is how racing should be, a driver successfully defending against another driver, both pushing each other hard lap after lap.

          • Kneyfield (@kneyfield) said on 28th July 2013, 16:52

            Lets agree to disagree then, @metallion

            It was clear to me from very early on in their “fight”, that Räikkönen would have to make a clear mistake to lose the position.

            The only small chance Vettel had was after Räikkönen was particularly slow in the first sector. Even then, he had the better placement on the inside of the corner and was slightly ahead of Vettel.

          • Metallion (@metallion) said on 28th July 2013, 17:03

            It’s always been part of racing, trying to push the driver in front into making a mistake. You shouldn’t automatically get past just because you have the faster car. Defensive driving is and should be as important as attacking driving.

            As a Räikkönen fan I’m probably a bit biased in this situation though but I try to stay as neutral as I can. Everyone has a different view on things, so yeah we’ll just have to disagree.

            On an unrelated note, Kimi said in an interview that if he could change anything about current cars he’d give them an extra 300hp and less grip so they’d be more challenging to drive and tires and other parts would get pushed harder.

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 15:10

      @kneyfield

      Not even with a car faster by 1+ sec did it play any role (as seen at the end between Vettel and Räikkönen)

      I think that’s more due to the top speed deficiencies of the Red Bull more than anything. The Mercedes would’ve had the speed in hand I think.

      • The unfortunate thing for Vettel was that the places where he was evidently much, much quicker in Turns 2 and 3 up to Turn 4 and the chicane are nigh on impossible to overtake if the guy in front drives smartly, as Raikkonen did. Both Raikkonen and Vettel mentioned that Kimi was faster in the last two corners onto the straight, which given Red Bull is slow in a straight line anyway meant he couldn’t get past.

        • Solo (@solo) said on 19th October 2013, 12:15

          I think people don’t get it when they say Red Bull is slow in straight line speed? Is this the same Red Bull that overtook Ferrari in Monza last year in a straight?
          But it did that before they even reach the end of the straight when they where accelerating.
          What Red Bull usually does is put shorter gears so it can have better acceleration but smaller top speed. What i really don’t get is why Hungary was a problem considering the straights aren’t even that long and why didn’t the Red Bull get on there ass before the corner to the straight to get the benefit of accelerating fast.
          I think the problem Red Bull faced was that in this track because the straights are small and it’s full of corners others put small gears too and couldn’t approach them as fast as it could do on other tracks when they have longer gears than Red Bull.

      • D (@f190) said on 28th July 2013, 15:27

        Yes butthat’s a mistake made by Redbull. I think over confidence they would be on pole cost them this one.

        • Hamilfan (@hamilfan) said on 28th July 2013, 15:59

          Not overconfidence . Maybe as @vettel1 says they ought to change their race philosophy a bit .

          • 6 world titles in three years, and on the way to titles 7 and 8 says their race philosophy is working just fine.

          • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 28th July 2013, 16:16

            @debaser91 it’s not working so well this year though on the slightly more difficult tracks for overtaking: I’d put a safe bet on that had Vettel had an extra 5km/h at the top end he would’ve got that second place (if not by passing Räikkönen by passing Button earlier than he did). It works fine when you can get the lead early on but they must be more open to that situation not arising as Mercedes still have the qualifying advantage.

            @f190 yes it is absolutely a lack of foresight by Red Bull, I’m not trying to argue otherwise. It’s not Vettel’s fault though.

      • HoHum (@hohum) said on 29th July 2013, 1:00

        @vettel1, don’t forget that being slow in a straight line is the price RBR pay for being fast in corners and those cars fast in a straight line pay a penalty in the corners, so you pays your money and takes your chances.

        • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 29th July 2013, 13:58

          @hohum no absolutely and it has worked fantastically for them in the past (as it plays to their strengths of superior downforce) but if you can’t get pole on a track like this then you really need that little bit of extra speed to try and be able to mount an attack in the race. It’s partially just down to the circuit though: in Spa I don’t think they’ll have a problem overtaking (recall Vettel last year using the bus stop chicane?) and Monza isn’t too bad either.

          I think after then Red Bull will have the advantage anyway as we head into the Asian rounds over Mercedes as that’s where they’ve been particularly strong the last three or four years so perhaps a drastic shift isn’t needed but is probably worth bearing in mind for next year.

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 29th July 2013, 1:12

      6 – Mostly due to the track itself even though this race was better than some in years past at Hungary. There were some good drives and interesting strategies, but the track severely hinders the action. Watching faster cars stuck behind slower cars for many laps is not good racing action.

      There were some positives, I’m glad Hamilton won. This bodes well for Mercedes and for a more interesting fight for the championships in the second half of the season. Happy to see Williams finally score. Glad to see Lotus and Kimi do so well. I can understand why Grosjean incurred his penalties. Perhaps on a track with a bit more room he may have had a cleaner race. But, that is F1.

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