2013 F1 season half-term driver rankings: 5-1

Driver Rankings

In the final part of the mid-season rankings, here are the top five drivers of the year so far.

5. Jenson Button

Jenson Button, McLaren, Sepang, 2013

Beat team mate in qualifying 6/10
Beat team mate in race 7/10
Races finished 10/10
Laps spent ahead of team mate 361/606

The MP4-28 has proven an embarrassing step backwards for McLaren: having had the fastest car last year they find themselves languishing behind five other teams on pure pace. That has left Button with the unenviable task of trying to drag the car towards respectability.

He’s usually done this by relying on his knack for making tyres last, allowing him to make fewer pit stops than his rivals. In China he exercised considerable self-discipline to make a two-stop strategy work, yielding a fifth-place finish. In Spain he used a three-stopper on a day most drivers opted for four, climbing nine places from lap one to finish eighth.

Button has suffered some ill-timed misfortune. In Malaysia his two-stop strategy had him on course to challenge the Mercedes for the final podium place until the team botched his pit stop.

In Monaco a chance of a better qualifying position was wrecked by a faulty fuel pump, though he stayed out of trouble in the race to finish a useful sixth. And inattentive backmarkers cost him fifth in Germany.

Button has usually succeeded in wringing the most from his unco-operative chassis. But as we’ve seen before the very trait that helps him keep his tyres alive in the race can work against him in qualifying. Canada and Britain yielded little, but Hungary gave some cause for optimism about the second half of the season.

Jenson Button 2013 form guide

4. Fernando Alonso

Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Hungaroring, 2013

Beat team mate in qualifying 6/9
Beat team mate in race 7/7
Races finished 9/10
Laps spent ahead of team mate 411/460

Separating the top four drivers was not easy: all have performed consistently well and made few mistakes. Having Alonso, who headed this list at the end of last year, down in fourth seems harsh.

But he must be marked down for that double-fault in Malaysia, where he compounded his error of hitting Vettel on the first lap by failing to pit for a new front wing, with predictable and disastrous consequences.

Compounding one error with another was unusual for a driver who seldom lets an opportunity slip through his fingers. Victory on home ground in Spain was Alonso at his best: a superb triumph which began with him picking off Hamilton and Raikkonen at the start then piling the pressure on Vettel and even coping with a slow puncture as if it were a minor hiccup.

Alonso’s other win came in China, where it was not so much the straightforward DRS pass on Hamilton that secured the victory as his rapid progress through traffic during his second stint. Unfortunately in the next race a DRS glitch cost him a likely podium finish.

He bolstered his points haul with second places in Canada, which was the best he could realistically get on the day, and Australia, where he might have had the beating of Raikkonen.

Once again Ferrari are not making the progress with the car they envisaged. Alonso has found it increasingly difficult to qualify ahead of the Lotuses, reducing his strategic options which has made life more difficult in recent races.

Fernando Alonso 2013 form guide

3. Lewis Hamilton

Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, Hungaroring, 2013

Beat team mate in qualifying 7/10
Beat team mate in race 5/8
Races finished 10/10
Laps spent ahead of team mate 309/549

Hamilton’s move to Mercedes set tongues wagging when it was announce but the move seems to have reinvigorated him, despite some teething troubles with the W04. Much as Raikkonen never really got comfortable with his Lotus’s steering last year, Hamilton has been unhappy with the braking on his car.

While he grappled with that we had the unusual sight of him being beaten to pole position by his team mate on three occasions. However Hamilton is now winning the qualifying battle at Mercedes and has racked up more pole positions than anyone else.

That only one of those resulted in a win can largely be put down to the rough treatment the Mercedes gave to its tyres earlier in the season. This was particularly extreme in Spain, where a bewildered Hamilton plummeted ten places and finished twelfth. That was the only race this year he didn’t finish in the top five.

Hamilton had the good grace to admit that his first podium for Mercedes in Malaysia would not have happened had Rosberg not obeyed orders not to overtake him – something other team mates would not have done, as events in the same race made clear.

His first Mercedes win might have come at home had he not been one of the drivers to be struck by tyre failure. His subsequent fight back to fourth was highly impressive. With three pole positions in a row and the W04 looking stronger than ever in race conditions, the second half of the year looks very promising for him.

Lewis Hamilton 2013 form guide

2. Kimi Raikkonen

Kimi Raikkonen, Lotus, Melbourne, 2013

Beat team mate in qualifying 8/10
Beat team mate in race 7/8
Races finished 10/10
Laps spent ahead of team mate 385/548

Thanks partly to his car’s reliability but also to his own consistency, Raikkonen has finished every race in the points so far this year and is currently Vettel’s closest challenger in the championship.

Although he is yet to repeat the victory he opened his season with, five second place finishes have kept him in the thick of the championship chase.

As with Alonso at Ferrari, Raikkonen has a car which is stronger on Sundays than Saturdays – he’s only qualified inside the top three once so far. But by exploiting the strengths of his car over a race stint and making the passes he needs to, Raikkonen has often made big gains when it matters: he climbed from seventh to first in Australia and eighth to second in Bahrain.

In Monaco he salvaged a point by picking off three cars in the last two laps – yes, he had the benefit of fresher tyres, but still this was Monaco, not the easiest place to make such gains.

There’s not much you can take away from Raikkonen’s efforts this year. He was a little careless in Malaysia and Canada where he picked up minor qualifying penalties, and he had an odd collision with Perez in China where he seemed to expect the McLaren driver to move off the racing line for his benefit.

But usually when points have been left on the table it’s been due to circumstances beyond his control – as in Canada where he was delayed by brake problems, high fuel consumption and a slow pit stop.

Kimi Raikkonen 2013 form guide

1. Sebastian Vettel

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Nurburgring, 2013

Beat team mate in qualifying 10/10
Beat team mate in race 8/8
Races finished 9/10
Laps spent ahead of team mate 508/571

This has the makings of Vettel’s best championship campaign so far. He’s consistently been in the hunt for victory and with Mercedes now the team to beat on Saturdays he’s not always been able to rely on qualifying on pole position and staying there.

Early in the season Red Bull had similar concerns about tyre life as Mercedes’, though not as serious. Vettel gambled on an alternative strategy in China, opting not setting a time in Q3 and start on the medium tyres, and fought his way up from ninth to fourth.

In Bahrain he passed Alonso and Rosberg before DRS was activated to get himself into the clear air he needed, securing his second win of the year. Germany saw potentially his best drive so far this year, as he weathered severe pressure from both Lotus drivers despite a temporary KERS glitch.

His controversial move in Malaysia provoked howls of criticism from some, but from the point of view of a racing driver it was perfectly justifiable. Vettel has won two of his three world championships by less than the seven points he gained by defying team orders. And even if that weren’t true, expecting him to extend to Webber the same courtesy his team mate denied him at Silverstone two years ago is completely unreasonable.

Vettel’s position in the championship would be even stronger had he enjoyed the kind of reliability some of his competitors had. Had his gearbox not failed while leading at Silverstone his points lead now would be equal to more than three race wins – a sobering thought for his rivals. That race aside, he’s finished in the top four at every grand prix, and dominated a team mate who is much more of a threat than a Grosjean or a Massa.

Sebastian Vettel 2013 form guide

How the rankings are produced

This is a ranking of how drivers have performed in the 2013 season so far, irrespective of their form in previous years. Among the data referred to in producing the rankings are notes on each driver’s performance at each race weekend, compiled data on car performance, direct comparisons between team mates and each driver’s form guide.

Over to you

How do you think each of the drivers have performed so far in 2013? Should any of the drivers be higher or lower? Give your view on how they’ve done so far in the comments.

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141 comments on 2013 F1 season half-term driver rankings: 5-1

  1. oliveiraz33 (@oliveiraz33) said on 16th August 2013, 14:24

    I think the top5 is spot on… I think hamilton is sharing the spot with raikkonen top in number 2…. Vettel is way ahead of everyone in number one, he’s just killing everyone… Alonso is good on 4th… The car is slow, but he could be closer to 072004054788ettel if he didn’t do some mistakes…

  2. Nick (@npf1) said on 16th August 2013, 14:29

    I guess I’m less partial than McLaren than I thought, because I agree with your rankings mostly, apart from Button and Perez. If you’d told me I’d rate Vettel as the best driver of the season (so far) and see many others finding the same a year or so ago, I would not have believed you though.

  3. jhg103 (@joshgeake) said on 16th August 2013, 14:43

    I’m sorry but I just can’t see why Button deserves to be in the top 5, especially when NR’s won two races. Button’s complaints about Perez’s driving in Bahrain was also pathetic.

    Superb on his day but my word, Mansell reborn when things don’t work out perfectly for him.

  4. James (@iamjamm) said on 16th August 2013, 14:46

    Got my prediction spot on :)

  5. At first I took issue with Button being where he is and Rosberg not being top five. After Monaco, people were saying that Rosberg was proven to be among the best beacuse beating Hamilton showed that Schumi was not as shop-worn as we thought. But in the end it’s not a clear case. As for Hamilton, I’m inclined to give him more credit for coming into a new team, with a new car, designed for two other guys, and doing so well. But it’s probably not enough credit to get past Kimi, who has been excellent this year, and Vettel, who is just steamrolling Webber more than usual and is also being consistent even when he’s not winning.

  6. Carl Craven said on 16th August 2013, 17:02

    Fair rankings and definitely on Button despite what those who dislike him feel.

  7. Lance (@lancelot) said on 16th August 2013, 18:11

    Completely agree with top 5.

  8. Simba Mazadza (@slmazadza) said on 16th August 2013, 19:54

    Hamilton should be 2nd.

  9. Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 16th August 2013, 20:01

    I have to agree with every single choice Keith has made in this ranking. This season is a real challenge for Vettel. His Red Bull never was the fastest in the race trim, now it’s not the fastest in qualification, yet he managed to take significant lead in the standings. Whether you like him or not – he earned every bit of this one.

  10. DaveD (@daved) said on 16th August 2013, 20:26

    We are one blown PIRELLI tire away from Hamilton being clearly in 2nd place and only 33 points behind Vettel. I bring this up because unlike other problems with either the driver or the team, this was totally a Pirelli problem and should not have happened and affected the season.

    Had Lewis been able to finish Silverstone with a win as he was obviously on the way to doing, then we’d be arguing over whether Lewis or Seb should be number 1 because RB has a better car for racing.

    And yes, I realize I’m a total Hamilton fan, but I still think that is a break that should not count against him. Hell, Alonso really deserved the WDC last year and had not Grosjean taken him out in the giant crash he caused, he probably would have won it. But we forget that and act like Seb is the second coming when he’s clearly driving the best car on the grid. He’s a good driver, but he has a lot more to work with.

    • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 16th August 2013, 20:30

      Valencia 2012, Singapore 2012, Abu DHABI 2012, Brazil 2012, Spain 2012…

      Alonso gained nearly 100+ points just because of others retiring due to mechanical failures and crashes… In particular Lewis Hamilton… Search alternative history and see that Alonso in real was out of the title fight… Also, did you forget Vettel’s Alternator in Valencia, the people really forget this…

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 16th August 2013, 21:13

      @daved – Number one still wouldn’t be a debate. “If” Hamilton had won in Britain, he’d be 35 points behind Vettel, despite Vettel losing at least 18 points with car unreliability in that same race, where he was only 2s off the lead.

      I would have had LH at 2, but much closer to Raikkonen in 3rd, than Vettel in 1st.

      • DaveD (@daved) said on 16th August 2013, 22:34

        Yes, but you guys are forgetting that there is a reason I’m picking out that tyre failure for LH: That had nothing to do with Lewis or the team and their own reliability problems. That was a third party that should not have their mistakes affecting the results: Pirelli.
        Also why I was giving Alonso the hypothetical benefit of the Grosjean incident from last year: again, he had nothing to do with Grosjean being an out of control moron.

        And Vettel’s alternator? Again, that is the team trying to get to cute and making the alternator too light which caused the failure. That is an RB decision and they also got the advantage of the lighter component so when it fails…that is on THEM, not an outside factor like Pirelli or a doofus like Grosjean who can’t control himself.

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th August 2013, 10:02

          @daved – What alternator? It was a gearbox failure. We are rating drivers, not teams. Last year for instance, Hamilton lost out with a few reliability issues, and the potential lost points were always taken into account.

          Thus when factoring in points lost, you take both reliability issues and outside factors into account, so long as the driver wasn’t to blame. And in that case, Hamilton would be even further behind in points.

          • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 17th August 2013, 10:23

            Oh so actually, RB, decided to run the alternator so light for them to make the car “faster”…. But if you read the alternative history of 2012, without mistfortunes, without fault of others, Alonso should have been out of the title race after Abu Dhabi. While Hamilton and Vettel go for the fight in Brazil where Hamilton won. :)))

          • DaveD (@daved) said on 17th August 2013, 16:44

            I was using the 2012 alternator failures as an example of something selected by the team. Not something forced on them by a 3rd party. I could have used the same example with the gearbox failure this year….it is still a choice selected by the team.

          • DaveD (@daved) said on 17th August 2013, 16:51

            As for your other point: Yes, we are rating drivers so perhaps we should skip this discussion and go to Indycar (or any other spec series) and compare drivers so we can also take the team out of it???

            Yes, I know it’s arbitrary that to include the team in this comparison, but if we don’t take out ALL team failures, all 3rd party failures, all wrecks caused by other drivers AND somehow take out the difference in cars….I don’t know how to rate drivers.
            Besides, the difference between this discussion is like the difference between judging figure skating and the 100m dash: One is an opinion and the other is fact.
            We’re all just expressing our opinions here :)

        • Do you even know where the Alternator is situated?? It was an Engine Component and it wasn’t Produced by Redbull. It was Produced by Magnetti Marelli for Renault in 2012. They Used it and it was the Same 3rd Party failure as you made of for Hamilton. Also in British GrandPrix it was due to Glitch on Gearbox.

          • DaveD (@daved) said on 17th August 2013, 16:47

            No, there is a difference: Pirelli tires are mandated for all teams by their contract with F1. The alternator was selected by RB because they wanted the characteristics of that particular alternator…lighter = faster. Whether they produced it in house or out of house, it was still their specs and their choice. So it is on the team, not a 3rd party they had no choice to use.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th August 2013, 17:07

            @daved – But neither a gearbox failure, or a tyre failure can be considered the fault of the driver. And Keith didn’t actually use the tyre failure against his standing, as your first post suggested- he suggested that would have won the race, and said that his fightback to 4th was impressive.

          • @daved
            How can you explain the Problems of Romain who also got halted in the same race after Vettel’s retirement and Jerome Di Ambrosio who has KERS failure in the Italian GP through out the race. Do Lotus also making their car Lighter = Faster.

          • DaveD (@daved) said on 17th August 2013, 18:15

            As I said above, I don’t know how to take the team out of it unless we decide to rate drivers in a spec series (and truthfully even then, the team plays a part).

            And I wasn’t suggesting that Keith held the team or Pirelli failures against Lewis, but neither did he give him credit for a win in Spain. To me, that win would have made a big difference in the standings…again, just my opinion.
            I’m not saying that my opinion is more valid that Keith’s. In fact, I’ll gladly admit that he knows F1 better than I do. That’s why I love this site so much…he does a great job of fair coverage and sharing knowledge.

  11. Force Maikel (@force-maikel) said on 16th August 2013, 20:35

    Although I’m rooting for Alonso it’s hard to disagree with Keiths assessment of the season so far, once again great work Keith! I hate to say it but kuddos to Vettel for being so consistent and fast, I cannot remember a race this season where he was not in contention for the win…….

    To all who are disagreeing with his list, the season still has 9 races left, for all we know at the end of the year the order could be completely the other way. Take a chill pill ;-)

  12. BocksX3 said on 16th August 2013, 21:19

    China was Kimi’s fault?!! Perez pushed him off track:


    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 17th August 2013, 9:08

      China was 100% Raikkonen’s fault. Perez stuck to his racing line and had no reason to deviate from it.

      Had that not been the case I’m sure the stewards would have given Perez a penalty. But Raikkonen was the cause of the contact and as he was the one who suffered for it there was no reason for a penalty to be issued.

  13. Kimi4WDC said on 17th August 2013, 0:49

    Don’t find Button any impressive this season, yes car is a dog, but he keeps on coming up with “I don’t know why I slow” statements and they relegated him in my ranks to a mid-field driver. Personally I find Rosberg is by far more worthy judging by his performances against his teammate and all the bad luck he had with technical issues.

  14. Andy (@turbof1) said on 17th August 2013, 2:30

    I don’t agree with Vettel being top spot. He is quick and when he gets the chance to win the race, he dominates them instead, BUT he did show is prone to errors when he has to fight his way out of situations and when that takes too long. Like damaging his front wing in Button’s back, or sliding and gliding behind Kimi.

    Solely looking at the driver’s performance, Hamilton as Kimi should be respectively 2 and 1. Neither has put one single foot wrong until now on track. Also the criticism that Hamilton being beaten by rosberg on occasions, is very ‘wild”: first of all it doesn’t do justice to Rosberg, who should have been higher up the ranking, and second of all ignores completely the fact that of all front runners, Hamilton was the only who didn’t enjoy a stable environment and had to adapt to a new car and a new team. Is it something negative when he has to go through that and ultimately does that in a small timeframe, showing how adaptable he is?

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th August 2013, 2:40

      @turbof1 – Kimi had the incident in Monaco with Perez, and was nowhere to be seen in Canada or Malaysia, Hamilton was very poor in Spain, finishing outside of the points. The front four teams have been close on performance, yet those two still trail Vettel by a distance. Keith chose the right number one, hands down.

      • Andy (@turbof1) said on 17th August 2013, 8:30

        Kimi colliding with perez was a race incident. I don’t blame either of them for it; just an unfortunate turn lf events.
        Hamilton was nowhere in Spain because his tyres just get shewed away. There was nothing he could have preventef to do that.

      • Angelia (@angelia) said on 17th August 2013, 8:35

        The incident in Monaco wasn’t Kimi’s fault, he still did a good job afterwards to get a point from that race. Malaysia wasn’t a good race granted, but Kimi still finished 7th. In Canada Kimi had big break issues. For long parts of the race Kimi’s front breaks wasn’t working at all, Canada is circuit were breaks are very important. He also didn’t have enough fuel and he had to drive conservatively. Lotus also made a mistake during his pitstop, and he lost a few seconds and a few places. With all of these issues he still managed to finish in front of Grosjean. Lotus was struggling in Canada, because Pirelli issues harder tyres for Canada then what was expected.
        Lewis has done a great job, he has really been on it in these last few races. The differences between the top drivers are very small.

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th August 2013, 9:55


          Kimi colliding with perez was a race incident. I don’t blame either of them for it; just an unfortunate turn lf events.

          Well, Button running wide and catching SV out, causing the most minor of contact could also be seen as an “unfortunate turn of events”.

          Hamilton was nowhere in Spain because his tyres just get shewed away. There was nothing he could have preventef to do that.

          Teammate finished six places ahead.


          Malaysia wasn’t a good race granted, but Kimi still finished 7th.

          Fair enough. My main issue was with Andy was using a race in which Vettel still finished 3rd, to justify him only being only the 3rd best driver of the last ten races. @Turbof1 must be taking “you’re only as good as your last race” to the extreme!

          • Andy (@turbof1) said on 17th August 2013, 10:10

            No I do not. I am basing myself on the mistakes the drivers made, because there really is little to choose between. Vettel made some more errors then the kimi and hamilton. That those errors happened in one doesn’t matter: they were made in the first half of the season, that is what counts. I also find your judgement sincerely lacking on that, implying I only consider the last race.

          • Andy (@turbof1) said on 17th August 2013, 10:16

            Considering rosberg finishing thay race further up ahead: hamilton did the same to rosberg one race before. It depends on where you fall back in grid when the tyres go off. With tyres that went that fast off for them, it was more a lottery where they would finish. Hamilton didn’t do anything wrong (nor did rosberg in bahrain). If your tyres get eaten away by the car, and your teammate lucked in a bit more with set up, then you can’t stop it. Nothing to do with Hamilton.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th August 2013, 10:32

            @turbof1 – Mistakes aren’t the only criteria for judging a driver though. You can have races where you don’t make any major errors, but still don’t perform particularly well. As you said, Hamilton didn’t necessarily have any contact or mistakes in Spain, but his performance and result absolutely counts against him (no, it can’t be swept under the rug because of any “lottery”).

            Vettel made some more errors then the kimi and hamilton. That those errors happened in one doesn’t matter[…] I also find your judgement sincerely lacking on that, implying I only consider the last race.

            Well, haven’t you effectively said that they were in one race? I also didn’t consider Kimi’s contact in China. Wasn’t that another error? In fairness, his finishing result there was still to his credit.

          • Andy (@turbof1) said on 17th August 2013, 10:45

            Yes, that I grant you: Kimi made that error (it slipped my mind).

            And what else as criteria would you use other then errors? Everything else is subjective and like you are experiences now very much up to debate. There is no proof whether or not Hamilton was or wasn’t to blame for the bad results in Spain (and yes, in my opinion with how the mercedes was very vulnerable for small environmental changes, I find it a lottery). There is proof however, that Vettel ran in the back of Button (clearly an error) and that Kimi was in the wrong in Malaysia. There is very little to debate on that.

            Well, haven’t you effectively said that they were in one race? I

            No, apart from the above piece you quoted, I didn’t said they were in one race actually. You just made the assumption by yourself I was only looking at one race.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th August 2013, 15:49


            And what else as criteria would you use other than errors?

            A driver’s good performances and results? If an Olympic hurdler wins gold, but hits more barriers than the silver medalist, do you say the guy in 2nd was better?

            There is no proof whether or not Hamilton was or wasn’t to blame for the bad results in Spain

            The proof is in his 12th place (and one lap down) finish, which Keith has obviously highlighted. His teammate, the best barometer, didn’t finish 11th or 13th. That isn’t up for debate.

          • Andy (@turbof1) said on 17th August 2013, 16:12

            But what is the proof for the bad result? My statement took the result as the consequence. You only turned it upside down in your statement. Anyway, if that is the case then what is Button doing in the top 5 anyway? His results surely are much worse then the likes of rosberg and webber?
            You assume to much based on the number. Even Keith doesn’t do that, hence why last years best driver choosen by him was NOT Vettel.

            His teammate, the best barometer, didn’t finish 11th or 13th. That isn’t up for debate.

            If we take that same comment here, the opposite would have true for Rosberg in Hungary (before the point that he had to retire). That’s just short sighted: Rosberg was pushed off 2 times in the first lap, by no fault of his own. Similarly, it can be assumed that Hamilton had issues beyond his. That assumption has no less value then the contrary. If we only looked at the number this list would have been useless. Very luckily most people here look beyond that. Maybe you should too. Your example of hurdling is weak btw: there simply is no penalty for hitting the hurdle, so it isn’t on itself an error to hit it. If the gold medalist hit 10 barriers with his foot slightly and the silver medalist only one but tripped over it, then sure he deserves to win. His technique was better. But if the silver medalist never tripped, should have gone for gold, but somebody next to him falls and comes into his trajectory, then you have a debate, even though the numbers say otherwise.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th August 2013, 17:31

            Anyway, if that is the case then what is Button doing in the top 5 anyway? His results surely are much worse then the likes of rosberg and webber?

            I didn’t agree with Button being in the top five- but it’s obvious that Mclaren do not have a car capable of challenging the top four teams- resultantly, they have no podiums, or even 4th place finishes.

            You assume to much based on the number. Even Keith doesn’t do that, hence why last years best driver choosen by him was NOT Vettel.

            Because a) Hamilton lost a significant amount of points compared to Alonso and even Vettel with misfortune, b) the Ferrari was deemed to have lacked race pace throughout the season in comparison to Mclaren and Red Bull, with Alonso rarely leaving points on the table, in comparison to Vettel and Hamilton, and c) Vettel didn’t win or lead or win the title comfortably.

            All three factors are not the case in 2013. None of the top four drivers have necessarily been denied the championship because of unreliability. Ferrari’s race pace is far better than it was last year (esp. in the first 4 races). Vettel is now leading the championship comfortably, as he’s been more consistent than last year.

            Rosberg was pushed off 2 times in the first lap, by no fault of his own. Similarly, it can be assumed that Hamilton had issues beyond his.

            Difference: Rosberg actually had contact that wasn’t his fault. You’ve had to assume something else happened in Spain.

            If we only looked at the number this list would have been useless. Very luckily most people here look beyond that. Maybe you should too.

            Oh, I did. That’s why I would have had Hamilton above Kimi Raikkonen and Alonso (like you, actually), despite only being 4th in the standings. Everyone (bar one who went for Alonso) still had Vettel at 1. Why? Because he’s been very consistent, and delivers the best results on merit, despite the frontrunning cars having close pace.

            There are simply more ways to rate a driver than their mistakes, so when you say Vettel should be rated third because of minor “mistakes” in Hungary, that is to overlook the fact that he’s crushing his teammate, and hasn’t underperformed in any particular race, like Hamilton in Spain, or Raikkonen in Malaysia.

        • Andy (@turbof1) said on 17th August 2013, 17:59

          Ok, fair enough. We are basicilly starting to say the same things; it’s getting more about semantics. I don’t think Hamilton could have done better in Spain though; he just struggled all race long due his tyres going away. Rosberg had the same problem in Bahrain. That makes me believe those situation weren’t so much driver dependent, but more about lucking in the set up. Up until then Mercedes still didn’t had a hold on the tyres.

          I kind of disagree with Vettel being on the top spot, yes. I don’t have anything against him, but I don’t feel he should be there. In all of the races he won, he didn’t had to show too much of his qualities at all: drive and dominate. Hamilton’s win on the contrary was one he had to make 3 cricital overtakes on a track that deemed to be difficult to overtake. It’s all about perception, and I do respect others their opinion on it (even though I haven’t made that exactly clear), I simply don’t agree with it :P.

    • V. Chris (@vasschu) said on 17th August 2013, 11:07

      You are pointing mistakes from only one race and this is the race where it was almost impossible to overtake with RB9. Yes, Vettel could have made flawless race just driving behind the other cars, try to overtake them on the straight and fail because of the top speed disadvantage. But this was no good for him and he tried to find place to overtake on a track where this is really hard. I can hardly see this as flaw. I know for certain that Romain got much credit for this in the same, even though his overtakes didn’t succeed according the rules.

      • Andy (@turbof1) said on 17th August 2013, 12:43

        Would it have made it a difference if damaged his front wing in australia and lost his temper in brittain?

        He eventually passed Button btw; he could have done that without putting his cascade inside button’s rear wing. He could have passed kimi too if he was patient enough and didn’t locked up several times. Kimi’s tyres were gone in the last 2 laps; with less abused tyres vettel would have got passed him.

        Don’t get me wrong either: Vettel is a top class driver and certainly deserves his place in the top 3. But with so little to choose between any of the 3, you need to look at such things. Hamilton was until now faultless in his approach, kimi one fault. Spain was in terms of results a one-off for Hamilton, but just be honest and think about how much really was down to him and how much down to the car.

        • V. Chris (@vasschu) said on 19th August 2013, 9:33

          I agree with you most of the time, but you just leave the impression that you are looking too closely into one driver mistakes and you easily ignores those of others.

          Hamilton was until now faultless in his approach.

          That’s simply not true if you are taking into account things like

          locked up several times


          I’m not going to dig into the archives to prove you wrong, but Hamilton is far from faultless when compared to Seb this season.

          • Andy (@turbof1) said on 19th August 2013, 15:45

            Sure everybody can lock up sometimes. No issues with that. I was getting into that Vettel really was loosing his temper behind Raikkonen. It wasn’t just locking up; he was sliding and gliding all over the place. He just didn’t have the patience.

            Hamilton indeed has the tendency to lock up a few times during a race. But that is spread out. He doesn’t loose his cool, stays calm and by that doesn’t abuse his tyres. It’s always of course better not to, but locking up once or twice normally isn’t going to hurt your pace. That’s contrary to Vettel, who really took the life out of tyres. Which is a shame; he showed in Bahrain he could keep his nerve and do the job properly.

  15. David not Coulthard (@) said on 17th August 2013, 8:54

    I think Perez should’ve been closer to Jenson, but I ust say it’s hard to disagree too much with your ranking.

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