Raikkonen ‘pursuing Ferrari’ after Red Bull rejection

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Kimi Raikkonen, GP3, Circuit de Catalunya, 2013In the round-up: Kimi Raikkonen’s manager confirms his driver will not race for Red Bull next year.

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With Raikkonen not moving to Red Bull in 2014, as confirmed by his manager Steve Robertson in this article, the way is clear for Daniel Ricciardo to join the team.

Raikkonen ‘wants Ferrari F1 return’ (BBC)

“[Eddie] Jordan said Raikkonen had made a return to Red Bull his first priority but when talks with the world champions broke down, he turned his attention to Ferrari.”

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“Red Bull has refused to dismiss a report that Daniel Ricciardo will be announced as Mark Webber’s replacement at the Belgian Grand Prix.”

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“Me, I wasn’t ready for Formula 1 at that point. It is ambitious, maybe a bit risky, but it’s not my decision.”

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Toro Rosso technical director James Key: “I felt that the belief in being cable to compete at a higher level was not there with everyone. It’s just a case of [coming in] and saying that there’s no reason why we can’t do it, no one has written down that we need to be a P9 or a P8 team we can do better than this.”

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“The last all-American victory at Le Mans was scored 46 years ago in 1967 when Dan Gurney and AJ Foyt drove one of Carroll Shelby’s Ford Mk IVs to a legendary win. On the face of where were are today with no American drivers, cars or teams competing internationally at the top levels of the sport and both IndyCar and American sports car racing in the doldrums, we can only guess that none of these things are likely to happen again.”

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“There then came a grave moment when something broke on Brian Redman?s Lotus coming into Les Combes, pitching the Englishman forcefully into the barriers. He was lucky to escape with a broken arm, whilst an injured marshal was airlifted to hospital.”

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@William-Brierty names Robert Wickens as another driver who deserves a crack at F1:

He did a hugely impressive test for Renault in 2011, shortly after taking the Formula Renault 3.5 title; a series that has arguably produced better young drivers of late than GP2.

In the DTM he took the now statutory shaky first year in the series, but is now easily one of the series? front runners, which is high praise in a series that features such a eclectic mix of touring car and single seater stars.

Equally high praise is that he is now arguably Mercedes? fastest driver, deposing Gary Paffett, who for all of the “nearly, but not quite” insults chucked at him is still a very good racing driver.

With Williams currently perusing the Mercedes DTM squad for a driver to enroll into a young driver programme following their engine tie-up with Mercedes, I?d advise them to forget Daniel Juncadella and get themselves a Wickens.
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190 comments on Raikkonen ‘pursuing Ferrari’ after Red Bull rejection

  1. wsrgo (@wsrgo) said on 20th August 2013, 3:07

    Why aren’t people considering Christian Vietoris too?

    • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 20th August 2013, 12:19

      @wsrgo I completely agree, Vietoris is being impressive too. Either Wickens or Vietoris would be a good bet for Williams if Maldonado moves on, and both would definitely be better than Juncadella. I would argue that Wickens’ greater single seater vintage makes him a stronger bet, but either Vietoris or Wickens could be looking good for a shot at F1 next year.

    • hunocsi (@hunocsi) said on 20th August 2013, 13:00

      Wickens came up yesterday because I mentioned his DTM victory. I agree on Vietoris worthy of a chance in F1 – at least for a test, I don’t think he’s done any.

      Another guy who I really miss is Bertrand Baguette. He was dominant in 2009 in FR3.5, got a bit of testing with Renault and BMW, then had a quiet year in Indycar and since he has got out of sight, though this year he’s been doing well in WEC (LMP2).

  2. Fernando Sandrini said on 20th August 2013, 3:33

    Alonso will go “back home”(Lotus) with his Santander money. Montezemolo doesn´t accepted the Alonso´s behaviour. Alain Prost was fired in the end of 1991 by the same thing(publicly criticize the car and the team).
    In my opinion, Red Bull will have Vettel-Ricciardo, Ferrari will have Kimi-Hulkenberg and Lotus(saved by Santander) Alonso-Grosjean.

  3. evered7 (@evered7) said on 20th August 2013, 4:10

    Raikkonen to Ferrari would be a blessing in disguise. It would match Alonso with a better competitor and both will push each other to higher level of competency. Alonso could now drive at 80% now and still beat Massa comfortably.

    Having a good second driver is very important for the WCC and Massa has been failing to do this job for some years now. I would go on to say that had Massa been better, Alonso might have nicked a title in the past years in the Ferrari.

    • Christopher (@twiinzspeed) said on 20th August 2013, 14:39

      +1
      So many people think Alonso is leaving if Kim is hired. I don’t think so. I think Ferrari need them both to finally go after a Constructors title. I don’t get the can’t have two top tier drivers argument. RBR has won 3 constructors titles BECAUSE they have 2 great drivers, not in spite of. :)

  4. Ed Marques (@edmarques) said on 20th August 2013, 4:10

    I’d love to see Raikkonen back at Ferrari and Hulkenberg at Red Bull.
    For me Ricciardo is not good enough for the job, but who knows, maybe he’ll prove me wrong.

  5. Ed Marques (@edmarques) said on 20th August 2013, 4:21

    Great article about Spa 2000.

  6. karter22 (@karter22) said on 20th August 2013, 4:28

    I cannot even begin to comprehend how most people believe that Kimi to Ferrari is possible. Kimi might be good but his attitude does not blend well with Ferrari. I also agree that if they were to hire him back it would be admitting that they did a mistake and it clearly wasn´t. ALO has fought to the end in inferior machinery twice, 2010 and 2012. Now if Ferrari would just give him a proper car… he could work his magic.
    Ferrari definitely does not need these distractions… they need to focus on their 2014 car and a better partner for ALO… I don´t personally like Hulkenberg but he seems like a sensible option. If I was Luca, I would get Bianchi but hey, that´s just me.
    People should just get over the KIMI/FERRARI move because it is just not happening.

    • Christopher (@twiinzspeed) said on 20th August 2013, 14:42

      Kimi himself said he has many friend still at Ferrari and that it remains a possibility for him to return. He also said his departure could of been handle better, but that wouldn’t keep him from returning. As honest as Kimi is with what he thinks, I will take him at his word over media opinion.

      • karter22 (@karter22) said on 20th August 2013, 15:01

        @twiinzspeed
        That might be true Christopher… but it really isn´t up to Kimi´s friends is it? I think it would be up to Luca and well… Luca is not about to twist his own arm for no one so yeah, Kimi is not going back to Ferrari.
        Kimi in all honesty, should give thanks that Lotus took him when he wanted to come back into F1. He should be thankful that he has a seat that most other drivers would kill for. Seriously… Lotus might not be well financially right now but it would be dumb and nearsighted to think that they will continue to have these problems in the near future. The way Lotus is going, they will end up 2nd or 3rd in the constructors and that alone will give them funds enough to handle their business. I honestly believe Kimi is just being ignorant to that fact! After all, he is second in the WDC! Again, he should be thankful he has a competitive seat!

  7. Hamilfan (@hamilfan) said on 20th August 2013, 4:29

    Sad that Kimi is not going to Red Bull.

  8. Really think it’s a major blow to f1 that Kimi won’t partner Vettel next year. Thanks alot RedBull! :-(

    • svarun (@svarun) said on 20th August 2013, 12:38

      Why do you think f1 is at a loss?
      Red bull is as they will realize later what’s the difference between kimi amd daniel.
      Although I think its a perfect decision by Kimi, as he would never get the atmosphere there to win
      KERS failure is sure for a red bull number 2 driver ;)

  9. Stagger (@stagger) said on 20th August 2013, 6:53

    I think Kimi not moving to RBR is bad news, as it was the first time i really wished a driver move to a certain team (mostly i dont care about it), but this time I really wanted to see this epic battle Kimi vs Seb. The main reason is that for me drivers like Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton have nothing to prove… they are all WC’s and the have proven many times that they are the Top drivers on the grid.
    Seb on the other side is always considered, even thought hes a 3 times WC,that he archived everything mostly because of the superiority of his car.
    Would he beaten Raikonnen fair and square on the same car, or at least give him a good fight? then all of us having the same opinion about him as I do would shut up, give him the crown and wait for him maybe to be the most succesful driver in F1 history.

    • Zeus_m3 (@zeus_m3) said on 20th August 2013, 14:27

      Who was Kimi’s best teammate? Any proof that Hiedfield Couthard or Massa is better than Webber or Bourdais?
      What about Alonso’s best teammate? Hamilton beat him in his rookie season, also Alonso lost to Trulli. Logically can you really rate Alonso higher than Vettel because he matched Hamilton on same machinery?
      Hamilton and Button are quite closely matched during their 3 years, why people think Alonso is better than Button?
      Team mate comparisons are important, but we need to be fair.

    • BJ (@beejis60) said on 20th August 2013, 14:31

      The intra-team battle would be epic and probably lol-worthy at times. If he goes to Ferrari, it would probably be even more lol-worthy to see Alonso getting upset every other day like 2007. Plus, think about it; it may be sweet justice for Kimi to dethrone Alonso after his seat got bought out by him/santander. Kimi goes away, comes back into the team some 4-5 years later, then beats Alonso badly. I mean, how much would Kimi and Kimi fans absolutely love that? Sweet justice.

    • You’ll have to remind me – what “top drivers” have Raikkonen, Alonso and Hamlton beaten in the same car? The fact is that, if judged by “Vettel Rules”, these three still have a lot to prove. Nando and Kimi in particular still have big question marks hanging over them.

      Of course all that shows is the stupidity of “vettel Rules” – the collection of rules people have concocted to judge Vettel by but which for some reason are never applied to any other driver.

      Would he beaten Raikonnen fair and square on the same car, or at least give him a good fight? then all of us having the same opinion about him as I do would shut up

      Nope, I don’t believe that for an instant. You’d have said “Kimi’s car is being hobbled”, and “Vettel is being favored and gets the best strategy” and “We need to see Vettel in the same car as Hamilton”.

      • Stagger (@stagger) said on 21st August 2013, 6:47

        @jonsan you totally missed my point here… I dint say Vettel is not good because we compare him with Webber!!!
        What Ive said is that while Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton have proven that they are top drivers and for me that is driving a car that is not simply the best on the grid to get results( all three of them have proven that) Vettel did not, this season so far he has done a fantastic job tho, but still on a freaking fast RB.
        since i dont expect RBR to have a crap car or go downhill in the middle of the championship like ferrari or just dont get things right like Mclaren the only measure i can have for Vettel is a very strong team mate..

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 21st August 2013, 19:53

          @stagger

          What Ive said is that while Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton have proven that they are top drivers and for me that is driving a car that is not simply the best on the grid to get results( all three of them have proven that) Vettel did not, this season so far he has done a fantastic job tho, but still on a freaking fast RB.

          The only cars any of those three have driven that was weaker than the 2007/08 Toro Rosso that Vettel got great results in was Alonso’s 2001 Minardi, and arguably Alonso’s 2009 Renault.

  10. bull mello (@bullmello) said on 20th August 2013, 6:57

    Kimi is proving he knows how to negotiate not only the tracks in F1, but also the back rooms and media too. He is negotiating his way to the best deal he can get and for the best chance to win another title with whatever team he works with. He is a consistent known value and a proven winner. He wants to win again.

    I doubt he will be at Ferrari in 2014, but stranger things have happened. I think it would be great to see Kimi and Fernando push the team forward and each other too. But, Montemezolo will have to swallow some pride to bring Kimi back. Or, he can turn that into a challenge thrust upon Fernando.

    Mr. Raikkonen is not negotiating for no reason. He wants to win, he wants the best deal he can get and knows he is worth it. I think if he stays with Lotus he is going through all this to serve notice that he wants to win and that Lotus needs to be serious about winning, whatever that takes. Red Bull and Ferrari have the resources to win, but Lotus is more of a question mark. Their car is very close right now, but can they sustain their efforts and performance, especially going into 2014 with new regulations.

    My favorite veteran driver on the track at this moment in F1 history, i will continue to thoroughly enjoy watching Kimi as long as he stays in the sport. No doubt he will be trying his best to win at Spa in a few days. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

    • BJ (@beejis60) said on 20th August 2013, 14:37

      I think in the current state of Formula 1, it’s the perfect storm for Lotus to be performing… They’re probably a mid-field or upper mid-field team but due to the tender tire situation and the fact that Lotus is so gentle on its tires, that’s the only reason why they’re performing well and Kimi knows that. Next year, it probably won’t bode well for them without serious sponsorship money to develop, what I expect, a rather glib car.

  11. Timothy Katz (@timothykatz) said on 20th August 2013, 7:27

    What on earth is Alonso on about now? Can anyone provide me with a translation into Sensible?
    Honestly, he puts me in mind of Eric Cantona when he said something about seagulls following sardines . . . or maybe it was the other way round.

    • sumedh said on 20th August 2013, 7:55

      :-)

      I think “Warrior” refers to himself, “when is insulted” refers to the recent comments by Montezemolo, “uses his sword” refers to pulling strings at Santander or having his say in who will be his teammate.
      So, in sensible speak, even though Montezemolo has been saying bad things about him, Alonso will not exercise his say over who will be his teammate or over Santander because Alonso is brave.

    • It’s his good ‘ol samurai nonsense again @timothykatz, although this one is significantly better because it actually makes sense and obviously reached the character limit before “#samurai”! Basically he’s saying not to react to insults with knee-jerk responses, be brave and because he has higher aspirations than to “flinch” as he puts it.

      So yes basically I think what he’s saying is he won’t “do a Prost” and get himself kicked out of Ferrari!

      • karter22 (@karter22) said on 20th August 2013, 11:41

        @vettel1

        That is a very good interpretation Max, however, I find it unnecesary to call it “nonsense”. Everybody is entitled to believe in what they want. The guy finds the Samurai culture appealing to him and it´s a strong motivational force for him so I think everybody should just let him be. It´s his thing… and obviously he feels strongly about it otherwise he would not have gotten the tattoo that he did!

      • Timothy Katz (@timothykatz) said on 20th August 2013, 12:03

        @vettel1
        Thank you Max, I really appreciate that. But whether Montezemolo will appreciate it or not is another matter.
        So Alonso is maintaining his dignity and publicly refusing to get wound-up by the mouthy boss. Well, that’s going to make the boss even more tetchy, isn’t it?
        It’s going to be fun at Maranello!

    • Jack (@jackisthestig) said on 20th August 2013, 11:12

      That’s one of the things I really like about Kimi, he doesn’t come out with nonsense like that.

    • mixwell (@mixwell) said on 20th August 2013, 13:03

      samurai, kung-fu (seb), and the inner peace guy (kimi) . this sure looks more like Kung Fu Panda instead of F1

    • AldoG said on 22nd August 2013, 18:40

      To me, Alonso’s twit means that he wants to stab Montezemolo in the back. Or the neck. Or that Montezemolo wants to stab Alonso in the back but the samurai will not take this as an insult. Or maybe means that he wants to be a samurai and kill a finch… no, wait… Or maybe there is a strong erotic symbolism related to the sword.
      It is funny because if someone was “insulted” were the members of the team, not Alonso. Maybe he is trying to say that the team mechanics and engineers are not real samurais because they react to criticisms grabbing the sword, while, the REAL samurai, has higher targets.
      We need more Mark Webber, me thinks…

  12. Yaya Ishaq (@ferrari_412t) said on 20th August 2013, 7:51

    To start with Ferrari, there are many things that would point to them being interested. For starters, he’s already won a World Championship for them: duh. Sure, Massa outperformed him through a large patch in 2008 and in 2009, during which there were questions about Kimi’s motivation. But Kimi also is known to have struggled getting the Bridgestones up to temperature in 2008 qualifying- and none of even the most talented drivers in racing are immune to having such problems. It’s also well-known that Kimi struggled with a rear-end change in 2008 that Ferrari made in Hockenheim. Even so, he was nonetheless extracting lots of pace in races as his fastest lap streak that year showed, and he beat Massa on sheer pace in Japan and China. He had plenty of bad luck to contend with, as well, that Massa wasn’t having during this time. And after it was clear that he was getting dumped for Alonso in 2009 and Massa went down with the injury, Raikkonen surely did his part in the second half of 2009 to leave the team with an extremely positive impression, scoring the win at Spa and a run of podiums and quality points finishes. This was after Ferrari stopped developing the car and Kimi basically had no reason to have motivation to go fast considering that, in hindsight, it’s clear he was going to go off to rallying. So at least a lot of people at Ferrari know how good Kimi is. This next contract will probably be Kimi’s last, and we shouldn’t expect it to really be more than 3 years or so. That time period just so happens to line up with the period they would have to wait before Vettel would arrive. (Which Ferrari seems hell bent on making happen in the future.)

    From Kimi’s side, he definitely had a falling out with LdM and didn’t look very happy at Ferrari for his last year and a half there. But Kimi Raikkonen is probably one of the simplest guys in the history of F1 to please, as he seems to have only two requirements that Ferrari would easily be able to satisfy: 1) a fast car, and 2) money. Kimi also said last year that he never had negative feelings toward the team, and if there is one thing that we have learned about Kimi in his dealings with the media (other than the fact he doesn’t like to deal with them), it’s that you can always take him at his word when he says something. Remember, when he went to rallying, he always said he could come back to F1 in the future, and low and behold, he did when he found an opportunity that he liked. If both sides can move on from the difficult period and LdM can promise to step back, I could see Kimi being willing to give it another go. There might be some reason to think that, given flare up of Alonso’s more temperamental side over the last couple of weeks and Ferrari’s historical dislike of its drivers’ opening their mouths to the media, I could see LdM being more willing to tolerate a low key personality like Kimi and allowing him to be him.

    But the key for me in all of this? Two words:

    James Allison.

    The Allison-designed Lotus cars of the last two years have undoubtedly been a revelation on a limited budget. But a big part of the reason why is because Kimi has consistently produced with it, and this is surely something that is on Allison’s mind. It seems as though Ferrari views him as the guy to take them to the next level technically, and I’m sure he will be getting lots of input in a variety of areas. Having two of the top drivers in the sport in one team who have had lots of past success in cars worked on by your new technical director would be a very nice thing to have- especially when these two drivers are showing to be very handy in the new Pirelli era and fit Allison’s technical approach in this era. We also know from reports that the loss of Allison is something that Raikkonen is very unhappy about.

    As for Alonso, I don’t see this being a problem for him at all. People make a lot of him not liking to have a teammate who can push him, but honestly, I think this is blown astronomically out of proportion. Alonso has said many times in the past that Hamilton was not the problem for him at McLaren, but rather it was his relationship with the team- and maybe Hamilton’s falling out with McLaren and departure from the team confirms this. He’s been outqualified and outraced by Massa a handful of times at Ferrari (just as Barrichello did a few times to Schumacher), especially at the end of last year and beginning of this year. Alonso has always responded as he should: getting to work and stepping up his game. People also make a lot out of what happened at Hockenheim in 2010, but the fact is that Alonso was quicker than Massa in that race, that he was in the championship battle (when Massa wasn’t), and that failing to make the switch would have put Ferrari in danger of Vettel in the race. There were a couple of others situations that year in which Massa was ahead of Alonso in the race and had a pace advantage, and Alonso never radioed the team to tell them to move Massa aside. I think, in fact, one can argue historically that Alonso has actually shown more of his pace potential when he has been challenged by a teammate than when he hasn’t. An older, wiser Alonso may have realized this by now.

    The other thing to think about from Ferrari’s perspective is that they now have one rival on the rise in Mercedes who very much appear to have a very threatening driver pairing both this year and going into a new formula starting next year, in which all reports indicate they have at least a horsepower advantage that could be as much as 100 bHP. Constructors Championships mean more to the teams than anything else, as this is where they get their money, and if Mercedes have two genuinely championship-quality drivers with such a strong car, you darn well step up your game in the arms race and have two drivers who can do the same. Red Bull clearly knows this: they’ve had two drivers the last three years who have shown championship quality, even if one is quicker and more consistent than the other, and the fact that all of the buzz out there is that Horner is hell-bent on having Kimi clearly shows that they see the threat that Mercedes poses. Does Ferrari really want to risk having two of their rivals with two championship-quality drivers? If anything, getting Kimi could be a defensive move to make sure that they are one of the two teams with two big guns behind the wheel rather than not being one of them. Of the other names out there, maybe Hulkenberg can give them this, but he hasn’t been put into a position to show this yet. Di Resta and Sutil really haven’t shown the extra spark yet, and it would certainly be too big of a jump for Bianchi at his age and experience level to go from a car 3 seconds off the pace to a car in which you are expected to win races and get podiums.

    The more I think about it, the more I really think Kimi will simply not be back with Lotus next year. He was very honest that there are “problems” with Lotus, one of them being the fact that they are delinquent in paying him. And he has voiced clear dissent about Lotus’ strategy calls to the media and in radio transmissions. If Red Bull decide to take Ricciardo (which there seems to be more momentum for in the past week, given the comments coming out of Franz Tost and the jealous rant from JEV), I think Kimi will take the next best opportunity he can find for a seat with winning prospects and the resources to keep up in the arms race. And that means Ferrari.

    • spoutnik (@spoutnik) said on 20th August 2013, 12:59

      @ferrari_412t I quite agree with the fact that it could well be a defensive (and logical) move from ferrari.
      - they take the driver with the engineer (a surely veery costly option – but if ferrari has one thing its money)
      - they avoid having two top teams with two champion-class drivers in each.
      I think too that Alonso’s reluctance to have another top driver in the team is way exaggerated.

    • Christopher (@twiinzspeed) said on 20th August 2013, 14:52

      PLUS ONE! Well laid out opinion. I think you are spot on, and it will be fun to watch these two push each other and make Ferrari a contender for the Constructors Title again.

    • bull mello (@bullmello) said on 20th August 2013, 17:24

      @ferrari_412t – Excellent analysis from all angles. This certainly looks like the best opportunity for Ferrari and Kimi. As much as I would like to see Lotus be successful this season and next, I think Kimi sees the downside of staying there next season for all the reasons you stated. Pirelli has already announced their tire offerings for next season would be much more conservative. What Ferrari needs most is good car development and the teamwork of Allison, Alonso & Raikkonen would certainly go a long way to providing that.

      The way you have laid out the case for this, the more it makes sense. Ferrari would be foolish not to take advantage of this situation. I admire Ferrari as a team and for their F1 history, but I have not always been a fan of their team in competition. I could become one immediately with Kimi there.

      • nickpkr21 said on 21st August 2013, 8:53

        well either that or ferrari goes middle team, they need alonso kimi allisson and newey, a move a la mercedes, I mean suck to ferrari never been dominant ………..

  13. Jason (@jason12) said on 20th August 2013, 8:46

    Kimi would’ve had a much easier time beating Vettel at Redbull then he will against Alonso.

    • iFelix (@ifelix) said on 20th August 2013, 12:41

      I tend to agree with this and by that I don’t want to demean Vettel in anyway or even hint that Alonso is far better than him. I feel that a) Alonso is in a much stronger position (despite the recent ear-tweaking from LdM) than Vettel in RBR and Alonso is much better politician and playing mind games, even though Kimi normally doesn’t care b) Alonso is at his peak as is Kimi, but Vettel is still on a (rather steep) learning curve.

    • Zeus_m3 (@zeus_m3) said on 20th August 2013, 14:34

      Then why is Kimi making this big mistake not going to Redbull?

  14. golson (@golson) said on 20th August 2013, 9:12

    I would have loved to see Kimi and le Seb on a team together. Kimi would give him a REAL run for the money!

  15. eskopeso said on 20th August 2013, 9:26

    It’s a shame Kimi won’t be going to RB, I really believe he and Seb could’ve created one of the best teammate rivalries in F1 history.

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