Kimi Raikkonen, GP3, Circuit de Catalunya, 2013

Raikkonen ‘pursuing Ferrari’ after Red Bull rejection

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Kimi Raikkonen, GP3, Circuit de Catalunya, 2013In the round-up: Kimi Raikkonen’s manager confirms his driver will not race for Red Bull next year.


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R??ikk??nen ei siirry Red Bullille (Turn Sanomat, Finnish)

With Raikkonen not moving to Red Bull in 2014, as confirmed by his manager Steve Robertson in this article, the way is clear for Daniel Ricciardo to join the team.

Raikkonen ‘wants Ferrari F1 return’ (BBC)

“[Eddie] Jordan said Raikkonen had made a return to Red Bull his first priority but when talks with the world champions broke down, he turned his attention to Ferrari.”

Red Bull coy on Ricciardo rumours (ESPN)

“Red Bull has refused to dismiss a report that Daniel Ricciardo will be announced as Mark Webber’s replacement at the Belgian Grand Prix.”

Hulkenberg says Sirotkin F1 move ‘risky’ (Autosport)

“Me, I wasn’t ready for Formula 1 at that point. It is ambitious, maybe a bit risky, but it’s not my decision.”

On the red carpet (Motorsport Monday)

Toro Rosso technical director James Key: “I felt that the belief in being cable to compete at a higher level was not there with everyone. It’s just a case of [coming in] and saying that there’s no reason why we can’t do it, no one has written down that we need to be a P9 or a P8 team we can do better than this.”

A provincial backwater (The Way It Is)

“The last all-American victory at Le Mans was scored 46 years ago in 1967 when Dan Gurney and AJ Foyt drove one of Carroll Shelby’s Ford Mk IVs to a legendary win. On the face of where were are today with no American drivers, cars or teams competing internationally at the top levels of the sport and both IndyCar and American sports car racing in the doldrums, we can only guess that none of these things are likely to happen again.”

I was there when… 2000 Belgian GP (MotorSport)

“The cars had indeed touched ?ǣ to this day the damaged front wing endplate from [Mika] Hakkinen’s car sits in Martin Whitmarsh?s office.”

Flashback: Belgium ??68 – the first of many wins for McLaren (F1)

“There then came a grave moment when something broke on Brian Redman?s Lotus coming into Les Combes, pitching the Englishman forcefully into the barriers. He was lucky to escape with a broken arm, whilst an injured marshal was airlifted to hospital.”


Comment of the day

@William-Brierty names Robert Wickens as another driver who deserves a crack at F1:

He did a hugely impressive test for Renault in 2011, shortly after taking the Formula Renault 3.5 title; a series that has arguably produced better young drivers of late than GP2.

In the DTM he took the now statutory shaky first year in the series, but is now easily one of the series? front runners, which is high praise in a series that features such a eclectic mix of touring car and single seater stars.

Equally high praise is that he is now arguably Mercedes? fastest driver, deposing Gary Paffett, who for all of the “nearly, but not quite” insults chucked at him is still a very good racing driver.

With Williams currently perusing the Mercedes DTM squad for a driver to enroll into a young driver programme following their engine tie-up with Mercedes, I?d advise them to forget Daniel Juncadella and get themselves a Wickens.

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On this day in F1

Long-serving McLaren engineer Jo Ramirez turns 73 today. He was at the team during the time of Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna and later Mika Hakkinen. His 2005 autobiography Memoirs of a Racing Man is well worth hunting down.

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  1. I cannot even begin to comprehend how most people believe that Kimi to Ferrari is possible. Kimi might be good but his attitude does not blend well with Ferrari. I also agree that if they were to hire him back it would be admitting that they did a mistake and it clearly wasn´t. ALO has fought to the end in inferior machinery twice, 2010 and 2012. Now if Ferrari would just give him a proper car… he could work his magic.
    Ferrari definitely does not need these distractions… they need to focus on their 2014 car and a better partner for ALO… I don´t personally like Hulkenberg but he seems like a sensible option. If I was Luca, I would get Bianchi but hey, that´s just me.
    People should just get over the KIMI/FERRARI move because it is just not happening.

    1. Kimi himself said he has many friend still at Ferrari and that it remains a possibility for him to return. He also said his departure could of been handle better, but that wouldn’t keep him from returning. As honest as Kimi is with what he thinks, I will take him at his word over media opinion.

      1. @twiinzspeed
        That might be true Christopher… but it really isn´t up to Kimi´s friends is it? I think it would be up to Luca and well… Luca is not about to twist his own arm for no one so yeah, Kimi is not going back to Ferrari.
        Kimi in all honesty, should give thanks that Lotus took him when he wanted to come back into F1. He should be thankful that he has a seat that most other drivers would kill for. Seriously… Lotus might not be well financially right now but it would be dumb and nearsighted to think that they will continue to have these problems in the near future. The way Lotus is going, they will end up 2nd or 3rd in the constructors and that alone will give them funds enough to handle their business. I honestly believe Kimi is just being ignorant to that fact! After all, he is second in the WDC! Again, he should be thankful he has a competitive seat!

  2. Sad that Kimi is not going to Red Bull.

  3. Really think it’s a major blow to f1 that Kimi won’t partner Vettel next year. Thanks alot RedBull! :-(

    1. Why do you think f1 is at a loss?
      Red bull is as they will realize later what’s the difference between kimi amd daniel.
      Although I think its a perfect decision by Kimi, as he would never get the atmosphere there to win
      KERS failure is sure for a red bull number 2 driver ;)

  4. I think Kimi not moving to RBR is bad news, as it was the first time i really wished a driver move to a certain team (mostly i dont care about it), but this time I really wanted to see this epic battle Kimi vs Seb. The main reason is that for me drivers like Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton have nothing to prove… they are all WC’s and the have proven many times that they are the Top drivers on the grid.
    Seb on the other side is always considered, even thought hes a 3 times WC,that he archived everything mostly because of the superiority of his car.
    Would he beaten Raikonnen fair and square on the same car, or at least give him a good fight? then all of us having the same opinion about him as I do would shut up, give him the crown and wait for him maybe to be the most succesful driver in F1 history.

    1. Who was Kimi’s best teammate? Any proof that Hiedfield Couthard or Massa is better than Webber or Bourdais?
      What about Alonso’s best teammate? Hamilton beat him in his rookie season, also Alonso lost to Trulli. Logically can you really rate Alonso higher than Vettel because he matched Hamilton on same machinery?
      Hamilton and Button are quite closely matched during their 3 years, why people think Alonso is better than Button?
      Team mate comparisons are important, but we need to be fair.

      1. @zeus_m3 Hiedfield, Couthard, Massa, Webber and Bourdais are not Top drivers.
        Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton are TOP drivers.

    2. The intra-team battle would be epic and probably lol-worthy at times. If he goes to Ferrari, it would probably be even more lol-worthy to see Alonso getting upset every other day like 2007. Plus, think about it; it may be sweet justice for Kimi to dethrone Alonso after his seat got bought out by him/santander. Kimi goes away, comes back into the team some 4-5 years later, then beats Alonso badly. I mean, how much would Kimi and Kimi fans absolutely love that? Sweet justice.

      1. @beejis60 Im sure it will be epic fight too, if he moves to Ferrari next to Alonso.
        What I said is that I wanted to see him on a RedBull next to Seb and I’ve explained why.

    3. You’ll have to remind me – what “top drivers” have Raikkonen, Alonso and Hamlton beaten in the same car? The fact is that, if judged by “Vettel Rules”, these three still have a lot to prove. Nando and Kimi in particular still have big question marks hanging over them.

      Of course all that shows is the stupidity of “vettel Rules” – the collection of rules people have concocted to judge Vettel by but which for some reason are never applied to any other driver.

      Would he beaten Raikonnen fair and square on the same car, or at least give him a good fight? then all of us having the same opinion about him as I do would shut up

      Nope, I don’t believe that for an instant. You’d have said “Kimi’s car is being hobbled”, and “Vettel is being favored and gets the best strategy” and “We need to see Vettel in the same car as Hamilton”.

      1. @jonsan you totally missed my point here… I dint say Vettel is not good because we compare him with Webber!!!
        What Ive said is that while Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton have proven that they are top drivers and for me that is driving a car that is not simply the best on the grid to get results( all three of them have proven that) Vettel did not, this season so far he has done a fantastic job tho, but still on a freaking fast RB.
        since i dont expect RBR to have a crap car or go downhill in the middle of the championship like ferrari or just dont get things right like Mclaren the only measure i can have for Vettel is a very strong team mate..

        1. @stagger

          What Ive said is that while Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton have proven that they are top drivers and for me that is driving a car that is not simply the best on the grid to get results( all three of them have proven that) Vettel did not, this season so far he has done a fantastic job tho, but still on a freaking fast RB.

          The only cars any of those three have driven that was weaker than the 2007/08 Toro Rosso that Vettel got great results in was Alonso’s 2001 Minardi, and arguably Alonso’s 2009 Renault.

  5. Kimi is proving he knows how to negotiate not only the tracks in F1, but also the back rooms and media too. He is negotiating his way to the best deal he can get and for the best chance to win another title with whatever team he works with. He is a consistent known value and a proven winner. He wants to win again.

    I doubt he will be at Ferrari in 2014, but stranger things have happened. I think it would be great to see Kimi and Fernando push the team forward and each other too. But, Montemezolo will have to swallow some pride to bring Kimi back. Or, he can turn that into a challenge thrust upon Fernando.

    Mr. Raikkonen is not negotiating for no reason. He wants to win, he wants the best deal he can get and knows he is worth it. I think if he stays with Lotus he is going through all this to serve notice that he wants to win and that Lotus needs to be serious about winning, whatever that takes. Red Bull and Ferrari have the resources to win, but Lotus is more of a question mark. Their car is very close right now, but can they sustain their efforts and performance, especially going into 2014 with new regulations.

    My favorite veteran driver on the track at this moment in F1 history, i will continue to thoroughly enjoy watching Kimi as long as he stays in the sport. No doubt he will be trying his best to win at Spa in a few days. It will be interesting to see what happens next.

    1. I think in the current state of Formula 1, it’s the perfect storm for Lotus to be performing… They’re probably a mid-field or upper mid-field team but due to the tender tire situation and the fact that Lotus is so gentle on its tires, that’s the only reason why they’re performing well and Kimi knows that. Next year, it probably won’t bode well for them without serious sponsorship money to develop, what I expect, a rather glib car.

  6. What on earth is Alonso on about now? Can anyone provide me with a translation into Sensible?
    Honestly, he puts me in mind of Eric Cantona when he said something about seagulls following sardines . . . or maybe it was the other way round.

    1. :-)

      I think “Warrior” refers to himself, “when is insulted” refers to the recent comments by Montezemolo, “uses his sword” refers to pulling strings at Santander or having his say in who will be his teammate.
      So, in sensible speak, even though Montezemolo has been saying bad things about him, Alonso will not exercise his say over who will be his teammate or over Santander because Alonso is brave.

    2. It’s his good ‘ol samurai nonsense again @timothykatz, although this one is significantly better because it actually makes sense and obviously reached the character limit before “#samurai”! Basically he’s saying not to react to insults with knee-jerk responses, be brave and because he has higher aspirations than to “flinch” as he puts it.

      So yes basically I think what he’s saying is he won’t “do a Prost” and get himself kicked out of Ferrari!

      1. @vettel1

        That is a very good interpretation Max, however, I find it unnecesary to call it “nonsense”. Everybody is entitled to believe in what they want. The guy finds the Samurai culture appealing to him and it´s a strong motivational force for him so I think everybody should just let him be. It´s his thing… and obviously he feels strongly about it otherwise he would not have gotten the tattoo that he did!

        1. @karter22 no I agree, but I don’t think that therefore excludes others from making a comment on it ;) He’s entitled to his opinion, I’m entitled to mine! :)

      2. @vettel1
        Thank you Max, I really appreciate that. But whether Montezemolo will appreciate it or not is another matter.
        So Alonso is maintaining his dignity and publicly refusing to get wound-up by the mouthy boss. Well, that’s going to make the boss even more tetchy, isn’t it?
        It’s going to be fun at Maranello!

    3. Jack (@jackisthestig)
      20th August 2013, 11:12

      That’s one of the things I really like about Kimi, he doesn’t come out with nonsense like that.

      1. +1
        Kimi speaks only when necessary and even so very economically. That’s the way of Samurai :)

    4. samurai, kung-fu (seb), and the inner peace guy (kimi) . this sure looks more like Kung Fu Panda instead of F1

      1. Jack (@jackisthestig)
        20th August 2013, 16:30

        Jos Verstappen – Violent, drunk wife-beater

        1. What is Jos doing in the mix?

    5. To me, Alonso’s twit means that he wants to stab Montezemolo in the back. Or the neck. Or that Montezemolo wants to stab Alonso in the back but the samurai will not take this as an insult. Or maybe means that he wants to be a samurai and kill a finch… no, wait… Or maybe there is a strong erotic symbolism related to the sword.
      It is funny because if someone was “insulted” were the members of the team, not Alonso. Maybe he is trying to say that the team mechanics and engineers are not real samurais because they react to criticisms grabbing the sword, while, the REAL samurai, has higher targets.
      We need more Mark Webber, me thinks…

  7. To start with Ferrari, there are many things that would point to them being interested. For starters, he’s already won a World Championship for them: duh. Sure, Massa outperformed him through a large patch in 2008 and in 2009, during which there were questions about Kimi’s motivation. But Kimi also is known to have struggled getting the Bridgestones up to temperature in 2008 qualifying- and none of even the most talented drivers in racing are immune to having such problems. It’s also well-known that Kimi struggled with a rear-end change in 2008 that Ferrari made in Hockenheim. Even so, he was nonetheless extracting lots of pace in races as his fastest lap streak that year showed, and he beat Massa on sheer pace in Japan and China. He had plenty of bad luck to contend with, as well, that Massa wasn’t having during this time. And after it was clear that he was getting dumped for Alonso in 2009 and Massa went down with the injury, Raikkonen surely did his part in the second half of 2009 to leave the team with an extremely positive impression, scoring the win at Spa and a run of podiums and quality points finishes. This was after Ferrari stopped developing the car and Kimi basically had no reason to have motivation to go fast considering that, in hindsight, it’s clear he was going to go off to rallying. So at least a lot of people at Ferrari know how good Kimi is. This next contract will probably be Kimi’s last, and we shouldn’t expect it to really be more than 3 years or so. That time period just so happens to line up with the period they would have to wait before Vettel would arrive. (Which Ferrari seems hell bent on making happen in the future.)

    From Kimi’s side, he definitely had a falling out with LdM and didn’t look very happy at Ferrari for his last year and a half there. But Kimi Raikkonen is probably one of the simplest guys in the history of F1 to please, as he seems to have only two requirements that Ferrari would easily be able to satisfy: 1) a fast car, and 2) money. Kimi also said last year that he never had negative feelings toward the team, and if there is one thing that we have learned about Kimi in his dealings with the media (other than the fact he doesn’t like to deal with them), it’s that you can always take him at his word when he says something. Remember, when he went to rallying, he always said he could come back to F1 in the future, and low and behold, he did when he found an opportunity that he liked. If both sides can move on from the difficult period and LdM can promise to step back, I could see Kimi being willing to give it another go. There might be some reason to think that, given flare up of Alonso’s more temperamental side over the last couple of weeks and Ferrari’s historical dislike of its drivers’ opening their mouths to the media, I could see LdM being more willing to tolerate a low key personality like Kimi and allowing him to be him.

    But the key for me in all of this? Two words:

    James Allison.

    The Allison-designed Lotus cars of the last two years have undoubtedly been a revelation on a limited budget. But a big part of the reason why is because Kimi has consistently produced with it, and this is surely something that is on Allison’s mind. It seems as though Ferrari views him as the guy to take them to the next level technically, and I’m sure he will be getting lots of input in a variety of areas. Having two of the top drivers in the sport in one team who have had lots of past success in cars worked on by your new technical director would be a very nice thing to have- especially when these two drivers are showing to be very handy in the new Pirelli era and fit Allison’s technical approach in this era. We also know from reports that the loss of Allison is something that Raikkonen is very unhappy about.

    As for Alonso, I don’t see this being a problem for him at all. People make a lot of him not liking to have a teammate who can push him, but honestly, I think this is blown astronomically out of proportion. Alonso has said many times in the past that Hamilton was not the problem for him at McLaren, but rather it was his relationship with the team- and maybe Hamilton’s falling out with McLaren and departure from the team confirms this. He’s been outqualified and outraced by Massa a handful of times at Ferrari (just as Barrichello did a few times to Schumacher), especially at the end of last year and beginning of this year. Alonso has always responded as he should: getting to work and stepping up his game. People also make a lot out of what happened at Hockenheim in 2010, but the fact is that Alonso was quicker than Massa in that race, that he was in the championship battle (when Massa wasn’t), and that failing to make the switch would have put Ferrari in danger of Vettel in the race. There were a couple of others situations that year in which Massa was ahead of Alonso in the race and had a pace advantage, and Alonso never radioed the team to tell them to move Massa aside. I think, in fact, one can argue historically that Alonso has actually shown more of his pace potential when he has been challenged by a teammate than when he hasn’t. An older, wiser Alonso may have realized this by now.

    The other thing to think about from Ferrari’s perspective is that they now have one rival on the rise in Mercedes who very much appear to have a very threatening driver pairing both this year and going into a new formula starting next year, in which all reports indicate they have at least a horsepower advantage that could be as much as 100 bHP. Constructors Championships mean more to the teams than anything else, as this is where they get their money, and if Mercedes have two genuinely championship-quality drivers with such a strong car, you darn well step up your game in the arms race and have two drivers who can do the same. Red Bull clearly knows this: they’ve had two drivers the last three years who have shown championship quality, even if one is quicker and more consistent than the other, and the fact that all of the buzz out there is that Horner is hell-bent on having Kimi clearly shows that they see the threat that Mercedes poses. Does Ferrari really want to risk having two of their rivals with two championship-quality drivers? If anything, getting Kimi could be a defensive move to make sure that they are one of the two teams with two big guns behind the wheel rather than not being one of them. Of the other names out there, maybe Hulkenberg can give them this, but he hasn’t been put into a position to show this yet. Di Resta and Sutil really haven’t shown the extra spark yet, and it would certainly be too big of a jump for Bianchi at his age and experience level to go from a car 3 seconds off the pace to a car in which you are expected to win races and get podiums.

    The more I think about it, the more I really think Kimi will simply not be back with Lotus next year. He was very honest that there are “problems” with Lotus, one of them being the fact that they are delinquent in paying him. And he has voiced clear dissent about Lotus’ strategy calls to the media and in radio transmissions. If Red Bull decide to take Ricciardo (which there seems to be more momentum for in the past week, given the comments coming out of Franz Tost and the jealous rant from JEV), I think Kimi will take the next best opportunity he can find for a seat with winning prospects and the resources to keep up in the arms race. And that means Ferrari.

    1. @ferrari_412t I quite agree with the fact that it could well be a defensive (and logical) move from ferrari.
      – they take the driver with the engineer (a surely veery costly option – but if ferrari has one thing its money)
      – they avoid having two top teams with two champion-class drivers in each.
      I think too that Alonso’s reluctance to have another top driver in the team is way exaggerated.

    2. PLUS ONE! Well laid out opinion. I think you are spot on, and it will be fun to watch these two push each other and make Ferrari a contender for the Constructors Title again.

    3. @ferrari_412t – Excellent analysis from all angles. This certainly looks like the best opportunity for Ferrari and Kimi. As much as I would like to see Lotus be successful this season and next, I think Kimi sees the downside of staying there next season for all the reasons you stated. Pirelli has already announced their tire offerings for next season would be much more conservative. What Ferrari needs most is good car development and the teamwork of Allison, Alonso & Raikkonen would certainly go a long way to providing that.

      The way you have laid out the case for this, the more it makes sense. Ferrari would be foolish not to take advantage of this situation. I admire Ferrari as a team and for their F1 history, but I have not always been a fan of their team in competition. I could become one immediately with Kimi there.

      1. well either that or ferrari goes middle team, they need alonso kimi allisson and newey, a move a la mercedes, I mean suck to ferrari never been dominant ………..

  8. Kimi would’ve had a much easier time beating Vettel at Redbull then he will against Alonso.

    1. I tend to agree with this and by that I don’t want to demean Vettel in anyway or even hint that Alonso is far better than him. I feel that a) Alonso is in a much stronger position (despite the recent ear-tweaking from LdM) than Vettel in RBR and Alonso is much better politician and playing mind games, even though Kimi normally doesn’t care b) Alonso is at his peak as is Kimi, but Vettel is still on a (rather steep) learning curve.

    2. Then why is Kimi making this big mistake not going to Redbull?

      1. We haven’t been given details regarding their talks, so hard to say at this point.

  9. I would have loved to see Kimi and le Seb on a team together. Kimi would give him a REAL run for the money!

  10. It’s a shame Kimi won’t be going to RB, I really believe he and Seb could’ve created one of the best teammate rivalries in F1 history.

  11. I think Ferrari never felt comfortable in the manner they had to discharge Kimi Räikkönen. I mean they really wanted Alonso, who we all know is considered by many the best driver on the grid. At that time they still had massa who was recovering from his crash. Firing him when he was still recovering would not only have made Ferrari look bad, I think it would also have made a lot of Ferrari followers and Tifosi quite unsatisfied. So they just paid Kimi his dues and sent him on his way to rallying. The fin himself wasn’t at ease anymore in F1 and was trying to expand his horizon. No doubt he was quite satisfied when Ferrari offered to pay him off. Now 3 years onwards it seems that these two parties might meet again and engage in a new sort of marriage.

    Many have claimed Kimi Räikkönen was angry at Ferrari for kicking/forcing him out but that doesn’t seem the case, in fact the Red Bull talk never materialised in real negotiations, so that means kimi was way more interested in the offer that was made to him by Ferrari at Silverstone. Signalling these two never held any grudge towards one another.

    No matter what Eric Boullier claims, when your company is 120 million in debt and you haven’t paid your driver a single euro, no way is that driver going to stay around to see the world collapse around him. Lotus might have fought itself a way to the top, when it comes to finances they are playing a really dangerous game.

    1. Jack (@jackisthestig)
      20th August 2013, 12:02

      Great point about Lotus. Whether or not the rumours of Kimi not being paid are true or not they just can’t afford him. Boullier mentioned they were keen on Hulkenberg, imagine walking into that mess after the year he’s had at Sauber (talk about ‘Out of the frying pan…’).

      The only driver Lotus should be chasing is Maldonado and his $46m yearly cheque from Venezuela (providing he still gets that backing now that Hugo Chavez is dead). With that sort of income and Kimi’s $20m a year off the books, more than half of their debt would be wiped away.

      1. Exactly @jackisthestig, It just shows that Boullier is talking a lot off nonsense lately, he is claiming Kimi is going to stay and that all is well, he can’t fire Grosjean because then Total will revoke their sponsorship as they threatened Lotus with at the end of 2012 when they tried to get rid of Romain. So why on earth does he find the need to involve Hulkenberg into this? Right…… Kimi is talking to Ferrari and is most likely going to go there just so that he stays with a top team, if Boullier wants to continue denying the facts and facing the real world then that’s his problem but with Allison gone and so much debt I doubt Lotus is going to get a decent car like they have now together, unless off course they can configure their current E21 into something that fits the new regulations. And even if they pull that off it remains to be seen if something like that actually delivers results.

        Concerning Malonado it would be quite fruitless chasing that dream. The deal that Chavez put his signature under was between Williams and PDVSA, Maldonado gets to drive 5 years and then it needs to be renegotiated. Even if Maldonado wants to go to Lotus next year he wouldn’t get that pay check and PDVSA would place another one of their Venezuelan puppets in that car. It’s as simple as that.

  12. I still find it difficult to believe that Raikkonen will return to Ferrari next year, but I hope it’s true.

    Imagine 2014 Alonso and Raikkonen in a Ferrari together? the rest of the field will be irrelevant to me as I will only be following the Ferrari’s and their two driver’s battles.

    Bring it on.

  13. Great round up today Keith! The pieces by Gordon Kirby and Nigel Roebuck are especially fantastic reads.

    I remember how I was so disgusted after another fantastic performance by Alesi had ended up with nothing to show for it. But then, Mika’s overtake made me feel a bit better

  14. I find it interesting that everybody keeps saying that KIMI at RBR would have been good beause he would have given SV a good run for his money. Even though I agree with that, SV would´ve outqualified him just as Grosjean has a couple of times but, Kimi would´ve had better races but then again, we will never know beause someone might have flexed their “muscle” and must´ve had a say in picking a team mate. Ricciardo moving to RBR is going to be a sad move… He is going to be next year´s whipping boy and the designated bodyguard on track! It is sad but hey, it´s a business!

    1. never cease to amuse me how people underrate kimi’s qualifying capability.

      there are a few odd ones when Kimi struggle to get heat into the tires, however…next year new reg and new turbocharge engine gonna run double figure of torque. The only concern is overheating rather than not able to heat the tire.

      It gonna suit kimi like honey and milk.

    2. How much say does Vettel have at Red Bull. He’s won three straight championships yet they wouldn’t let him take the win in Malaysia despite being clearly quicker. I couldn’t imagine a Hamilton or Alonso winning three straight championships and not being given number one driver status.

      1. +1
        the fact the team order went out like that and not “Sebastian is faster than you” shows that Vettel’s status is not comparable to that of Alonso in Ferrari or even Kimi in Lotus.

    3. @karter22 he’d out-qualify him more than a couple of times: in fact, I don’t see much reason to suggest he wouldn’t fair significantly better than Mark did in qualifying! I would bet my bone marrow that Vettel would’ve been nothing like Grosjean relative to Kimi.

      I also don’t think it’d be as conclusive as many seem to suggest in the races: I think they’d be fairly close actually depending on the circumstances. If in traffic, I think Kimi’s greater experience in that respect would show through. If at the front though, Vettel is a dab hand at just getting to the front quickly and staying there.

    4. well I think of all Ricciardo is the fastest qualifiers so give him a redbull for more than a couple hrs and I’m sure he can do at least what vettel does with it, at least it seem from last YDP.

  15. i remember when everyone was speculating about ferrari kicking out massa at the same time last year. it should’ve happened back then, but it didn’t. i wonder what makes everyone so certain that massa is going to loose his seat at ferrari this time? perhaps he’ll find himself a little bit of pace again, like he did last year. my guess is that we’re gonna see the exact same line-up for the 4 top teams in 2014 (with an exception of red bull, where ricciardo will most likely get the seat)

    the only thing i’m wondering about is, how long can alonso talk about ferrari like this? if i were di montezemolo, i’d consider kicking alonso out of the team before massa, who suffers the same issues as alonso but doesn’t moan about it to anyone that wants to hear it.

    1. Shreyas Mohanty (@)
      20th August 2013, 14:49

      @rigi Alonso is at his prime and he is a double WDC. He has pushed his mediocre machinery to levels higher than it deserves – just look at ’10 and ’12. He has a right to be frustrated – he wants more titles.
      Massa is, well, um, Massa.

      1. @shreyasf1fan
        there’s a diffrence about being frustrated and being a *ick
        alonso constantly moaning about his car will not make it better all of the sudden
        the ferrari crew aren’t going to be euphoric about hearing this, in fact it puts way more pressure on every single crew member, fearing the aftermaths of a simple mistake

        to be honest i think alonso has lost his prime and is turning more and more into a person that i dislike. (and he used to be my favourite driver!)

        1. Shreyas Mohanty (@)
          20th August 2013, 16:26

          @rigi This was the first time he complained, as far as i know. And Alonso is still in his prime, and undoubtedly the best driver on the grid.

          1. @shreyasf1fan well, maybe the first time he complains this directly. he made a lot of comments last year about bad development of the car, and even this season he was complaining a lot. how could you miss that?

            about your second sentence… i’d agree if we were in 2012, but this year… no

          2. @shreyasf1fan it’s far from “undoubtable” – you’d have a fair argument for alluding that Hamilton or Vettel were better (at least currently).

          3. Shreyas Mohanty (@)
            20th August 2013, 18:30

            @vettel1 Well, yes, touché. Vettel has most certainly been consistent and fast this season. For the first time I have felt that if he wins this championship, it shall be 100% deserved. But you cannot deny Alonso a solid form this season, barring Malaysia. But Hamilton, no, he was having tremendous issues with his braking, and was being outperformed by ROS. He has been stellar for the last 2-3 races – but at the halfway mark i would say Vettel-Kimi-Alonso-Lewis. :)
            I expect Hamilton to be charging in the second half, though.

          4. @shreyasf1fan interesting you’d put Lewis where you did and it’s actually a fair point but I tend to give him some leniency as of course he was in a new team with a completely different way of operating. Alonso has been strong as usual but in the context of 2012 not so much – that’s applying very harsh standards though so I definitely agree a top 4 performer, although I’d personally have Vettel-Räikkönen-Hamilton-Alonso (on the basis of what I said earlier) :)

            Anyway that’s just me being nitpicky on one detail ;)

          5. Shreyas Mohanty (@)
            20th August 2013, 20:20

            @vettel1 Well you do have a point there. So I guess Alonso vs Hamilton remains undecided for the first half. ;) Let’s see who has the upper hand in the second half. :)

          6. @shreyasf1fan in the end it’s the overall performance that matters of course, just ask Vettel (who had a good start to last season but a great end) :)

        2. @rigi Well I think Alonso is right when he complains about the car, he is the star driver of Scuderia Ferrari and they are in this sport to win, if they can’t give him the machinery then he has every right to complain just as much as Button has that same right to complain about his MP4-28. There is a major difference however when one driver can achieve good results and one does not. Example. Button-Hamilton in the first half of the 2012 season

          I also agree with @shreyasf1fan, yes Alonso has made two uncharacteristic in Malasia and Bahrain. His race in Hungary was not his fastest either but that was partially his F138. Still he has had great races this year like China, Spain and Great Britain. So I’d say he is still in his prime but the form of 2012 is not currently there but I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts improving after the summer break.

          1. Shreyas Mohanty (@)
            20th August 2013, 18:34

            @force-maikel Yep, as a die-hard fan of Ferrari and Alonso, I am hoping Ferrari has made full use of the time – of course their factories were shut down, but not their brains :) Call me an idiot, but Alonso for WDC! :D

      2. 2010 was a great car. Ferrari started the season with a 1-2, had a 1-2 in Germany, both cars on the podium in Korea and Italy. Considering how bad Massa has been since his accident that shows it was a great car. Consistently quick throughout the season too. If Vettel was in that car he would have won the championship with it.

        2012 the Ferrari wasn’t as quick as the fastest car (McLaren), but it was by far the most reliable car on the grid which enabled Alonso to steal a lot of podiums. He also had a lot of good luck, whether safety cars coming at the perfect time, scoring heavily when his closest rivals scored little or nothing, never had a problem in the pits, no punctures, when his car was poor in the first four races the Red Bull was also weak.

        I mean it was a solid season for Alonso in 2012 but I thought Hamilton drove better.

        1. Shreyas Mohanty (@)
          20th August 2013, 20:22

          @anon Hamilton barely drove in 2012. LOL ;)

  16. WilliamB (@william-brierty)
    20th August 2013, 12:13

    If we are to believe the rumours flying around at the moment we could end up with Alonso at Red Bull, Raikkonen at Ferrari, Hulkenberg and Maldonado at Lotus, di Resta also at Ferrari, oh, and what was that headline that appeared on the BBC Sport website about a year ago…Vettel to Ferrari in 2014! Everyone apart from Ferrari’s current race drivers is being linked with Ferrari, with Alonso being linked with Red Bull and Massa being linked with a comfy retirement home. It is all rubbish. OK, this is marginally more feasible than some of the other rumours flying around, but we already know that a) Raikkonen and Ferrari doesn’t work and b) di Montezemelo doesn’t want “two cockerels in one hen-house”. Raikkonen is staying where is, as is Alonso, as is Vettel. The “big four” of Alonso, Hamilton, Raikkonen and Vettel have found teams where they are comfortable, and they will stay put for a few years now. End of.

    On another note, thanks for the COTD Keith.

  17. I’d imagine Buemi and Alguersuari are fairly hacked off at present…

  18. I’m just enjoying these snaps between Alonso and Montezemolo. I want to see if Luca turns up in Spa to hand Alonso his pink slip personally, or if he just hides in his office and bangs out another screed for the “horse whisperer”. Alonso is testing his authority now.

    Can’t say that I see Alonso going back to Lotus. Maybe his Santander money is enough to get them back in clover, but I still have a hard time believing that a Spanish Bank, in these dark days in Spain, is breaking off the same kind of money for sports sponsorship as back in the pre-09 days.

    Anyway, I guess Massa is breathing a sigh of relief every time Alonso and Luca start playing the dozens. But I still think that at Ferrari it’s time to clear out Massa, Stefano, Smedley and start over, even with a young guy in the car. The 2008-era crew has done not much there.

  19. Raikkonen to Ferrari, Massa out of F1, Ricciardo to Red Bull, Hulkenberg to Lotus, Sirotkin or Bianchi to Sauber, maybe?

    1. Shreyas Mohanty (@)
      20th August 2013, 20:25

      @austus If that comes true, 2014 will be legen-waitforit-dary! ;)

  20. Bold headline to make.

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